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Inventive Genius Dean Kamen Profiled

Posted by timothy on Thu Sep 14, 2000 08:29 AM
from the willy-wonka-meets-q dept.
Matt Leese writes: "Wired has a great article about Dean Kamen online. Information is available on the iBot by Deka Research, which was founded by Kamen. The iBot can go up and down curbs, climb stairs, and balance on a single set of wheels. There is also discussion of FIRST Robotics, an organization founded by Kamen for the advancement of science and technology in youth." Kamen is an interesting fellow, to put it lightly. Reading about his house and habits reminds me of my childhood-favorite biography of Thomas Edison.
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  • Rocks, sand and all that... by Hates (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @02:55AM
  • so if he's by Gehenna_Gehenna (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @03:36AM
  • That slinky iBot (Score:3)

    by Private Essayist (230922) on Thursday September 14 2000, @03:40AM (#780338)
    It walks down stairs
    Alone or in pairs
    It makes a roboty sound
    It springs! It springs!
    A mobility thing!
    Everyone knows it's iBot...
    ________________
  • by dsplat (73054) on Thursday September 14 2000, @03:40AM (#780339)
    I can't think of any audience better suited for plugging the FIRST [usfirst.org] competition to. It is a robotics competition that teams high schools with corporate sponsors. The teams build a robot in about 6 weeks from the time that they get the rules for the year's competition. My wife participated for two years and my own company sponsored a team for the first time last year. This could probably be called the Geek Olympics. It is intense and fun. If you get a chance to do it, grab on with both hands. And if you are on a first time team, find an older team that will mentor you. I know of at least one which has done exactly that.
  • ibot info.. (Score:3)

    by martin (1336) <maxsecNO@SPAMdsl.pipex.com> on Thursday September 14 2000, @03:43AM (#780340) Journal
    at http://www.indetech.com/
    and http://www.accesslife.com/scripts/saisapi.dll/cata log.class/news/20000407-INN-NEWCHAIR-IBO T.html

    amongst other places
  • by flatpack (212454) on Thursday September 14 2000, @03:45AM (#780341)

    I think it's refreshing to see that it is still possible for individuals to come up with useful ideas and inventions without being part of a corporate research facility. In an age where the big money of corporations is used to hire all of the best people, we are seeing an increasing amount of projects which are merely refinements of past ideas rather than true new ideas.

    People like Kamen and Dyson are often better at providing something that people want than corporations, especially when it's a product that according to accepted wisdom there isn't a market for. And it's also nice to see that Kamen isn't just out for himself, but is instead funding programs like First which are designed to get children interested in science and technology. After all, anyone who doesn't find the following quote disturbing needs to worry:

    Kamen launched First several years ago when he realized that many American teenagers were unable to name a single living scientist.

  • Geek Profiling? by Bob McCown (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @03:55AM
  • Damning with faint praise by Mr. Adequate (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @03:56AM
  • I love battlebots, by Hairy_Potter (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @03:57AM
  • Re:That slinky iBot by Jay (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @03:57AM
  • Re:That slinky iBot by Evangelion (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:02AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by pcwhalen (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:05AM
  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by hamburger lady (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:05AM
  • Re:so if he's by pcwhalen (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:09AM
  • Re:THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU - oh... damn by Private Essayist (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:15AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by Rupert (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:15AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by segmond (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:18AM
  • Edison was a FRAUD! (offtopic) by Keck (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:26AM
  • Kamen profile (Score:5)

    by ScottKrsnr (232841) on Thursday September 14 2000, @04:32AM (#780354)

    I'd make two points in response to this thread. Please forgive me if I've flouted any of the conventions of posting to Slashdot; while I'm a regular reader, this is my first response.

    I wrote the Dean Kamen profile in the September issue of Wired, for what that's worth.

    First, to Hates, who writes, "...the only reason I can find where I'd want to be at eye-level with someone is if I'm in a fight with them." From what I understand, most people who are confined to wheelchairs quickly tire of looking other people in the belt-buckle, as opposed to looking them in the eye. Think about all the associations we have about looking down at someone, or looking up to someone. It's actually pretty important to bring wheelchair users up to eye level with the able-bodied. There's a Dateline video that you may be able to track down on the Web that shows how an iBot tester responds to this particular feature. As I recall it, she cries, because it has been so long since she was able to look her mother in the eye, on the same level.

    Second, FIRST competitions are nothing like the robot wars on Comedy Central. They're not about professional engineers building destructive robots (which I agree can be fun.) They're about high school students who are having their first experience with engineering. Some of them are having their first experience with any kind of successful creative project. I had to tone down some of the uplifting aspects of my Kamen profile because Wired likes to be at least somewhat skeptical, but if you ever have a chance to see your local FIRST competition (usually in March or April), do it. It's one of those things that will restore your faith in human potential, etc. If you're an engineer and you can spare the time to work with a team - or get your company to sponsor a team - then do that. Info at www.usfirst.org.

  • by mindstrm (20013) on Thursday September 14 2000, @04:38AM (#780355)
    I was gonna say it.. but... you did it nicely.

    'Tis true. Edison *did* do some things, but is not the great, wonderful person everyone makes him out to be, and much of what he did was done for greed and power, not for inventing.

    ie: Edison invented the electric chair so he could show how AC Electricity was BAD, and tried to get congress to outlaw it (Tesla & Westinghouse were going to use AC to transmit power, which as we all know, is FAR more efficient). Edison was hung on DC.

    Edison electrocuted an elephant to death at the world's fair in NY to show how AC was bad.

    Tesla was a true genius, and the smithsonian won't even recognize him.

  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by heymanslowdown (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:38AM
  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by flatpack (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:53AM
  • Re:Kamen profile by Dr Caleb (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:02AM
  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by lophophore (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:02AM
  • Re:Geek Profiling? by pallex (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:03AM
  • Re:Edison was a FRAUD! (offtopic) by pallex (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:05AM
  • First reaction to all /. Robot Stories by Greyfox (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:07AM
  • Re:Check out the FIRST competition by hepatitis_bee (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:09AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by Hates (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:12AM
  • As someone that participated in FIRST by Pontiphex (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:14AM
  • Re:Kamen profile by Merk00 (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:37AM
  • The fool!!! (Score:3)

    by gadders (73754) on Thursday September 14 2000, @05:42AM (#780367)
    What if the Daleks get hold of this technology? We 're doomed!!!

  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by Merk00 (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:45AM
  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by Chalst (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @05:58AM
  • How amazing ! by meadowsp (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:03AM
  • Re:Edison was a FRAUD! (offtopic) by Jacco de Leeuw (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:09AM
  • What's Allowed? by GeekLife.com (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:11AM
  • by nhavar (115351) on Thursday September 14 2000, @06:13AM (#780373) Homepage
    live your life in a chair for even a day and you'll see the need to be at eye-level with someone. What if you could only hug your loved ones if they bent down to you? What if you had to use a specialized tool to get groceries off the shelf or had to ask people to get something for you (every single trip to the store)? What if you couldn't get UP and dance with someone at a club? What if you couldn't peak out a window with your co-workers because you were confined to viewing things at belt buckle height? Or you couldn't take a walk on the beach or through a park because of your wheelchair. Being in a wheelchair presents a perspective of not being able to meet the world on it's own terms, not being able to face people at their own level. Stature means alot in our society and being able to meet people on equal footing means alot to those who can't do it.

    For all of those OH SO IGNORANT people out there, take a test, it will take one week out of your year but give you a new perspective on life.

    Day 1) Don't use anything that requires electricity, gas, etc (utilities). No phone, microwave, lights, t.v., radio, car, no hot water, no refrigerated foods, use bottled water or better yet go down to your local river and get a bottle of water. No utilities for 24hours.

    Day 2) Blindfold yourself. You can't use your eyes for anything for 24hours. No cheating.

    Day 3) Stuff cotton in your ears and put on some ear muffs. You can't use your ears for anything for 24hours. (you can still hear but it's much harder than your normal hearing.)

    Day 4) Rent a wheelchair, have a seat and go to it. Go to the grocery store, the mall, the bookstore, the movies. No legs for 24hours.

    Day 5) Same as day 4 but now you are not allowed to use your arms either. Have fun finding someone to help you go to the bathroom.

    Day 6) Same as day 4 and 5 but now you can no longer speak to request help, grunts and groans are the only acceptable forms of communication. No "voice" for 24hours.

    Day 7) Fasting. No food, only the bottled water from day one is allowed (and this is a gift). No food 24hours

    One week of walking in a other people's "shoes" as it were. While none of these exercises will give you the full impact of what it is like to be a person afflicted with the real issues, even 24hours will give most people enough of a taste that they will sympathize with those who have to live their life in such conditions. After one week you will no longer make ignorant assumptions like "the only reason I can find where I'd want to be at eye-level with someone is if I'm in a fight with them...".

    I think the one take away that I learned from the things that Kamen has done is that people should use their brains and not just coast through life. Take nothing forgranted, make no assumptions, if you don't know - go find out!

  • Re:Tessla (Score:3)

    by tswinzig (210999) on Thursday September 14 2000, @06:24AM (#780374) Journal
    Tesla was a true genius, and the smithsonian won't even recognize him.

    Then, in protest, I won't recognize the Smithsonian! Something like this:

    Fred: "Hey, what's that big building over there?"
    Me: "Why, I don't know. I don't recognize it!"

    -thomas


    "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by gid-foo (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:50AM
  • North Dumpling island... so that is the guy... by fprintf (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:so if he's by gid-foo (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:56AM
  • Re:Kamen profile by Madtown PLT (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @06:58AM
  • Re:THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU - oh... damn by fprintf (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by Hates (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:11AM
  • Isn't Slashdot against this? by Stoutlimb (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:11AM
  • Tesla, genuine hacker by Hard_Code (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:27AM
  • Re:What's Allowed? by dsplat (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:32AM
  • Nothing here... by PHAEDRU5 (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:35AM
  • At the risk of "me too"..... by cprincipe (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by nhavar (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @08:03AM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by CrazyNate (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @08:41AM
  • Clarification: Battlebots is not Dean's competitio by CrazyNate (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @08:46AM
  • IBot by DanMcS (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @09:04AM
  • We Have Explosive! by rhino777 (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @09:14AM
  • Re:What's Allowed? by GeekLife.com (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @09:26AM
  • Re:It's good to see individuals still working by Chalst (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @09:49AM
  • Link to Dateline Stream by cprincipe (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @09:52AM
  • Re:What's Allowed? by Merk00 (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @10:13AM
  • Re:THANKYOUTHANKYOUTHANKYOU - oh... damn by Private Essayist (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @10:22AM
  • Re:What's Allowed? by GeekLife.com (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @10:48AM
  • Re:Kamen profile by drinkypoo (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @12:12PM
  • Re:How amazing ! (OT) by Vuarnet (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @12:16PM
  • Re:What's Allowed? by Merk00 (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @12:35PM
  • Re:Tessla 2 by tswinzig (Score:2) Thursday September 14 2000, @12:47PM
  • Re:Rocks, sand and all that... by Hates (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @01:08PM
  • Maybe that isn't such a good idea by exister (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @03:29PM
  • Re:Kamen profile by David F. (Score:1) Thursday September 14 2000, @04:14PM
  • by Chris Johnson (580) on Thursday September 14 2000, @04:54PM (#780404) Homepage
    It's so moving to see that there are still people doing this sort of thing... I can give you a historical reference, and a fictional one. E. E. 'Doc' Smith was just this sort of person, although more the engineer than outright inventor. He had a mastery of countless sciences, and just the same sort of 'cowboy science jockey' attitude (I love how Dean has _several_ different sorts of helicopters- it says volumes about him. Given a choice between a helicopter and a Humvee, which would you make your grand entrance in?).

    E. E. 'Doc' Smith wrote some of the finest early 'space opera' science fiction. It's easily scorned by modernists as there's no fashionable cynicism in it, plus it's good and cheesy and totally overblown- but there's one point that's very important, in 'Doc' Smith novels the super-hero is always an _engineer_, often a complete scientist- yet still with a movie-star 'cool' that would look good on Clint Eastwood or Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's like Arnold delivering an erudite and brilliant dissertation on how he's managed to enhance the beam intensity of his laser weapon into the terawatts- and then promptly turning around and using it in the classic tradition of the action hero. It's wildly overglamorous _science_ and _intelligence_. Contrast that, and the deification of scientists in the 40s and 50s, to the current (corporate-directed?) demonization of 'hacker' types, and the glorification of _dumb_ violence. "The Matrix" was a nice change from this (I particularly liked one small, 'Doc' Smithian detail- "Mouse", the ultra-geeky, scrawny little hacker type, is killed in a plot twist, but rather than have him perish cringing and wishing for pr0n, Mouse goes out in a blaze of glory with two blazing Thompson machine guns in his hands, veritably 'dies like a Klingon'. 'Doc' Smith would have understood that.)

    The interesting part is that people of this type are not just fiction- 'Doc' Smith was real, he existed. Dean Kamen exists. And you don't have to be a Dean Kamen with zillions of dollars and machine shops and helicopters- I do this stuff, too. I am convinced that _lots_ of Slashdotters do, that there are countless geeky-type people out there who have weird ducting fan systems pointed into their overclocked computers and have oddly bent pieces of wire in their cupboards for making taco shells stand up straight and not fold up when you bake them (truth! I'm eating tacos right now made using such a bent piece of wire). When you get right down to it, LOTS OF THINGS need to exist, on a day-to-day basis, whether it's objects, devices, processes (I recently invented a workflow for scanning pictures at a print shop that goes more than six times faster than the previous top speed) and there's a type of person who'll invent them and a type of person who'll do what they're told and wait to see if anyone thinks of something.

    The only thing that kinda saddens me is that this article gets between a quarter to a tenth of the attention people will give to making fun of Jon Katz :P I hope people are at least reading this stuff! Scientist hip is a quality that needs to be accepted. It _is_ cool. It sets the tone for what people are willing to aspire to. We geeky types are not simply a bunch of whiners looking to pirate mp3s from legitimate businessmen or to get script-kiddie exploits to DDS some law-abiding website. We, at our best, have the capacity to change the very terrain right out from under those record company execs and businessmens so none of the old rules apply anymore- but to really put the rubber to the road, it's gotta be _chic_. It has to be _cooler_ to look up a scrap of indie music online and be directed magically to the guy's website than it is to march off to Sam Goody's and buy what you're told to. It's got to be _hip_ to put together your own desktop movie and release it as VideoCD or DVD (no region) rather than sit there like a lump waiting on Hollywood to do something that isn't really stupid and calculating. In the 50s science was seen as _cool_ and lots of stuff ended up happening- do we really dare allow it to seem both lame and dangerous, do we dare to let it be seen as that stuff that 'evil hackers' do, creating nothing and causing destruction and damage?

    Dean Kamen, for one, isn't about to let that happen without a fight. I'm with him ;)

  • Re:What's Allowed? by dsplat (Score:2) Friday September 15 2000, @02:05AM
  • Re:Tesla, genuine hacker by vsync64 (Score:2) Friday September 15 2000, @12:42PM
  • Re:Kamen profile by vinniew (Score:1) Friday September 15 2000, @06:19PM
  • Re:This is absolutely beautiful... by Winged Cat (Score:1) Sunday September 17 2000, @07:17PM