A computer should be an appliance. I have work to do. Spending time fixing a messed up Windows machine really wrecks productivity It only takes a few minutes of my burn rate and productivity loss to far exceed the cost of having a functioning computer.

For a hobbyist, maybe. For people making money and providing a service, computer downtime is a serious problem.

Oh good to see you came in here to set the record straight. Even Microsoft is wrong. Google Windows 11 is a disaster and find out how everyone is wrong.

Here's your problem. While you focus on a monovariant, that for some reason, the only problem is drivers. What about endless reboot loops, mystery fails on updates, changing names of critical files, moving programs and or critical program files to one drive, causing program failure and/or crashes.

Blaming it on drivers, and not using enterprise level equipment just no longer works. All that is doing is blaming the user, the old concept of "Microsoft cannot fail, only we can fail Microsoft."

The upshot of all this is plain. Windows is fundamentally broken, regressing under Windows 11. And if all the problems are the users fault, they can migrate to an OS where they don't cause all those problems.

Is it boasting though? Not having crashes should be the expected situation. A pity it is considered a flex.

It's like boasting that your refrigerator keeps food cold. 8^)

Well, I do the same things on My Macs and Linux computers. Yet they don't crash. But the same things on Windows machines do. I fear our friends logic doesn't hold up on any level.

might as well post the issues here https://www.windowscentral.com... https://www.neowin.net/news/mi...

Microsoft is saying W11 is broken, while the faithful here claim it is only poorly written drivers. And the anger is so intense that Microsoft disabled comments on social media. Here, they blame the users.

And the users? They've heard it all before... https://www.pcworld.com/articl....

Wut? Is this 2000 or something? I haven't had a driver issue since around 2005, and during installs, Linux just goes out and grabs drivers.

This! I get to see the hell people go through just to have a Windows 11 computer - as well as my own travails. At this point, my Windows machines get used for a few remaining tasks, then put back in the case, while I use machines that stay working.

People can try to blame it on drivers - which is only one of the failure mechanisms. People can blame it on Macs closed ecosystem which means that hardware and software are written for each other - by Apple, which means that.....get ready for it.....it works!

And then there are the weird problems, like renaming audio drivers, moving freaking programs to the cloud and removing them from the machine, as well as mystery changes that you just give up and fix it, then wait for it to happen again.

My Macs and Linux machines don't have this problem. Productivity is much better when you have almost 0 downtime.

I dunno about you, but My Macs get pushed pretty hard. They continue to work. My latest hasn't crashed yet. And my Windows machines on W11 can crash after an update, not particularly hard work.

The meme of Mac Users as stupid is just that - a meme.

The most adroit computer users I know use MacOS and Linux. I group them together because MacOS is Unix, and Linux is Unix-y. Despite the meme of the retarded Mac User, and the smug Linux user, these are power users. I spend almost as much time in Terminal on My Mac as I do in the GUI - sometimes more.

My present Mac Mini has never crashed. Had for over a year now (M4) My newer Lenovo has had update issues, kidnapped files and put them on one drive, causing them to stop working, and mystery audio issues, changing names, also making the associated program stop working. These are not the driver issues claimed by some as the only reason Windows crashes. These are systemic regression of Windows 11.

Regardless, some of us want computing devices that fscking work! not excuses for why our computers work - some times.

And? Are Windows 11 problems negated because of an ancient Mac Operating system?

Can you explain why that is the case - since you brought it up a number of times now.

This is a real issue. My Digital radio classes, which during Windows 7 days, took two classes to have everyone's systems running, then transition to the important details that make the software easy to use. My last class took months for the Windows users, as Windows 11 updates borked their installs. Either through Blue screening, or endless reboot loops, or if the software survived the update, plain weird stuff happening. On the Windows 11 laptop I was using, the programs stopped running. Microsoft in its wisdom, moved the programs and files to OneDrive. changed my username to my Microsoft account, and removed my local name from everything. The eventual fix was uninstalling OneDrive. I could blame that on myself if it happened immediately, but it didn't.

It was not lost upon the class that I switched over to my Mac and it just worked. I had to do that because it was going to take a while to restore my Windows machine to function. And my students were having similar problems.

Meanwhile, My Mac and Linux machines just cruise along without issue. Installed software stays working, Updates don't bork the machines or software. And that is what we want.

My students have asked for a new class - an introduction to Linux. They are pissed off at Windows 11, which is regressing.

Is Apple tightly controlling the hardware a bad thing?

I want computers that do not crash. And if the way to do that is having compatible hardware and compatible drivers, that is telling me something about what I want.

And it is less expensive as well. People with prideboners because their windows machine cost 50 dollars less than the "overpriced Mac crap" burn incredible amounts of money when their sensibly priced Windows Machines crap out. And if I'm called in, the burn rate goes even higher.

Lenovo isn't too terrible- by comparison - but still has issues. And Dell still has trouble waking up, needing a reboot.

A distinction with absolutely no difference.

I get it - Windows can never fail - we can only fail Windows. Meantime, you have a computer that crashed for some reason, and you have to deal with it. Tell your customer it isn't Windows fault, that will not likely make a difference.

The know one thing - a computer they bought because it is Windows, the largest installed user base, the mainstay and gold standard of industry, is sitting there, unless for the task and bringing productivity to zero.

This. about 20 million times this. I had to chuckle at the "Its nowt Winders crashing, itz da dryvers!" excuse.

As if a hung system isn't a hung system no matter what caused it.

And the hell of it is that there are plenty of crash things not driver related. Like Windows updates. And with Windows 11, it is getting worse. Know why Windows is the only OS that has BOHICA updates, while MacOS and Linux allow you to install them on your schedule?

Because they have to force them on you. I'll update my non-windows machines as soon as convenient because they'll work after the update.

I have all three, and the only one that crashes are the Windows machines. Had my Mac mini over a year now, has not crashed once. Nor my linux machines.

So several crashes on Windows, none on MacOS or Linux.... I don't know how to make that calculation, feels almost like dividing by zero.

So they created a Plasma? I would like to see what their definition of ignition is as well.

I wonder if they did it using grapes and a microwave? https://www.youtube.com/result... .