Corel Launches Corel Linux, with WebCast 125
Drog writes "Corel Corporation is officially launching their Corel Linux OS at Fall COMDEX in Las Vegas today via webcast at 1:15 PM PST (4:15 PM EST).
Corel Linux Beta 2 has garnered a fair amount of praise thus far. A lengthy review written on Oct. 28 can be found at over at TechRepublic. " The TechRepublic story does require a free login, yadda-yadda.
Hmmm.... (Score:1)
Go Corel! (Score:2)
As for the product: I'm excited about having a company focus soley on getting Linux to the desktop instead of as a server OS. Of course, its really in Corel's best interest to do so; if they can pull off the expansion of Linux into this market, they'll be primed to leverage their real money-makers in that market they'll have created.
We've already seen that people like to by all their products from a single source (MS with Windows and the Office suite), so hopefully Corel will be able to breathe new life into some old names: WordPerfect, Paradox, etc.
As for the market, we'll see how they react to the product launch today after closing and Cowpland's speech tomorrow.
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password (Score:2)
password: slashdot
I hope I get it... (Score:1)
(sigh) too late (Score:2)
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"I am not trying to prove that I am right... I am only trying to find out whether." -Bertolt Brecht
points from the article (Score:1)
Linux is Free, not inexpensive.
Anyway, when the system finally finished copying files, it asked me nicely to remove my boot floppy disk and CD-ROM and to click OK to reboot. I clicked OK just to see if it would force me to remove the floppy disk and it didn't. Both Red Hat and Windows force you to remove the floppy disk with their installers, and I think it's a good idea. It's not a big deal, but, again, for new users it would be a good idea to force them to remove the floppy disk before rebooting.
Why wouldn't you remove your boot floppy? Is this guy testing trivial installation occurences? Thats just dumb
At no point in the install procedure does it ask you about networking setup. I discovered later that no matter what options you select during install, it always configures DHCP. If you have a static IP address, you must change it manually later--something a beginning user may not be able to do.
Thats horrible. Redhat 6.1 lets you set up a multiple-network-adapter system very easily, and even lets you provide drivers before the installation starts.
Also, if you have more than one network card, it doesn't allow you to configure which card uses what or which drivers to load. I would consider these to be serious problems, and I hope they are fixed before the release version.
One word
The default Web browser included is Netscape Communicator 4.5, and it works as expected right out of the box. I was able to surf the Web and retrieve my e-mail immediately and without difficulty.
name a web browser that doesn't work right out of the box
Good lord, look out Corel! (Score:2)
Since it's based on Debian, what's the story on mirroring the distro? Is Corel going to want to keep it locked down so that you can only get the "Official" Corel Linux distro from Corel? It makes sense, but I can only imagine what not having a good set of mirrors in place will do to their bandwidth utilization...
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That Windows Explorer FileManager clone looks nice (Score:2)
I think the techrepublic review is correct in pointing out the install problems. The problem with linux is that it will be the second installed OS for the majority of users -- so they will have to refine the partitioning process as well as the initial bootup nuances. I really like how they have the bootup menu that boots directly into kde as well as the vga safe mode. Now all they have to do is design an *intuitive* graphics adapter, resolution and depth as well as a monitor frequency setup. Maybe they could compile a database of monitor types and models just like windows (or auto detect when possible) so that users won't have to worry about such things. Would be a lot of work, but it's probably well within Corels capabilities..
On a side note, their control interface looks exactly like a slightly modded kde one. I didn't really find it that useful except to gather system information. I could be wrong though, we'll have to see after I download it...
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Big names and switching to linux (Score:1)
Corel is a well known name and people will trust their software. especially if it is bundeled with office aplications, it will make the Big Turnaround easy.
I also hope they will start a LARGE, GLOBAL advertising campaign.
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Re:Buy CORL now, before it's too late (Score:1)
There is no indication that this will make them a significant investment, any more than any of the .coms.
/.'d (Score:1)
Sorry, Not Ready For Primetime Yet! (Score:4)
Just remember... (Score:1)
Re:points from the article (Score:2)
(1) I think it's fair to say that "free" is a subset of "inexpensive". So the statement was true, if not as accurate as it could be.
(2) Linux itself is free, yes. But not all ways of getting a distribution of Linux are free, though even the ones that aren't free are inexpensive.
ISO Image is already AVAILABLE!!! (Score:1)
Re:Sorry, Not Ready For Primetime Yet! (Score:2)
Hmm, this raises an interesting issue. Will it be true that every (or almost every) commercial Linux offering will somewhat be rushed out the door due to economic pressures? If so, this would really be sad, as this simply follows in M$'s footsteps of "release it now, fix it later".
Thinking along these lines, I wonder if the whole concept of a "release" should somewhat be altered, so that not only the kernel has the stable/unstable revision branches (the odd/even version numbering thing), but also an entire distro. This way, we can have "unstable" releases that quickly gets it out the door, have people pound on it, get the bugs fixed, until it stabilizes, that release that as the "stable release". This certainly worked (and still works) with the Linux kernel -- I'm just wondering if this is actually possible in a commercial setting like Corel Linux.
Re:points from the article (Score:2)
Actually, Linux is economically inexpensive. It also happens to also be free, ie non-propriatory.
Thats horrible. Redhat 6.1 lets you set up a multiple-network-adapter system very easily, and even lets you provide drivers before the installation starts.Actually, configuring dhcp is ideal for new users. I feel that new users would be confused if they were asked to enter an IP address. What in the world is that? And how do they know what they should put in there. Sure, you could have defaults, and help, but that's still going to be confusing for people. Instead have the dhcp client find an IP address for the box. That'll solve a lot of problems right there. And those who know what an IP address is can set it later.
-Brent--
Package Management (Score:1)
Uh, Webcast doesnt work for Linux Users?!? (Score:1)
-- iCEBaLM
judging from the pictures (Score:1)
Re:points from the article (Score:3)
Mozilla.
(with apologies to the Mozilla crew. It is really coming along nicely and I hope to be using it within six months. Go Mozilla!)
I tried to buy (Score:2)
I was also holding out for $13.50 instead of $14 on apple--wanting a 50% return for liquidation at $20.
*sigh*
Someday I'll get the account ready when I don't have my eye on a stock . . .
2,200 shares bought at $8.75 and sittin pretty! :) (Score:1)
morning a month ago when it was only $5 per share... the idiot didn't do it til 11am, and
it was $8.75 by that time. It SOO pissed me off.. ALwell.. It doesn't matter, Corel is over $10 now, and still climbing, and they only JUST showed their copy of Corel Linux at 4:15pm EST, thats near the Stock Market close, so that didn't give the stock market a chance to react to the new product. It will tomorrow though, oh boy oh boy!!
I still HIGHLY recommend Corel. Yes, you didn't get in at $1, $3, or $5.. But $10 is nothing to what it's going to be, and thats still alot lower then IPOs.. Which by the way, I'm happy to say I'm putting $20,000 into Andover.net, which will be priced around $12-15 per share. So Corel is STILL an excellent deal, especially when their PC Chips deal really kicks in, along with their direct Corel Linux Sales, CorelDraw 9 and WP Office 2000 is around the corner, plus any other deals they make.. Oh ya.. Corel is definitely shooting up!
Oh ya.. and Go Andover.net too!!!
-Matthew
Technetos, Inc.
"Download", "Standard", "Deluxe" editions (Score:2)
Re:Sorry, Not Ready For Primetime Yet! (Score:1)
You can play such web casts under linux (Score:2)
real.com, and plugger from
http://www.hubbe.net/~hubbe/plugger.html
This allows you to play the web cast.
It would have been easier if they had just
set it up as a normal stream rather than a plugin
but what can you do about these HCI freaks?
Re: site is swamped; mirror? (Score:1)
Re:ISO Image is already AVAILABLE!!! (Score:1)
Has Corel Posted a List of Packages? (Score:1)
JM
Debian packages on Corel Linux. (Score:2)
Also not noted in the article is that as soon as you log in as root (in X), it asks you to change the password. While not quite as secure as requiring the password during install, it's quite appropriate for a desktop system.
Download CD not available (Score:1)
_damnit_
Re:points from the article (Score:2)
CDROM of download version is available. (Score:1)
CAll the 1-800 number.
Re:"Download", "Standard", "Deluxe" editions (Score:1)
If they do this, and stuff that's left out is GPL, won't there be mirrors of the other editions on other sites? Or a distribution which is based on Corel, that gains a new name?
I don't want to open a can of worms here, but I'm just curious whether they will be playing this game, or whether they'll have the Deluxe editions available for download, like other companies do.
Re:That Windows Explorer FileManager clone looks n (Score:1)
Re:"Download" edition (Score:2)
This makes a lot more sense than RedHat that has 450M ISO image, which has a lot of rpm's that you either never end up installing (i.e. HowTos in 30 different languages) or that end up being out of date by the time do want to install them.
By the way, expect the distro to be mirrored on LinuxBerg [linuxberg.com] RSN!
Re:at last (Score:1)
Re:"Download", "Standard", "Deluxe" editions (Score:1)
Re:Sorry, Not Ready For Primetime Yet! (Score:2)
What do you think debian/dists/stable [slink] and debian/dists/unstable [potato] are? Chopped bits?
And I'm almost certain that RedHat does this as well.
Daniel
Re:That Windows Explorer FileManager clone looks n (Score:1)
To be mirrored on Download.com & Linuxberg/Tucows (Score:1)
ftp://ftp.Linuxberg.com/pub/ISO/
Re:Corel WP Suite for Linux (Score:1)
ISO image download (Score:1)
Re:hello thuoughts ect (Score:1)
Re:"Download", "Standard", "Deluxe" editions (Score:1)
Re:points from the article (Score:2)
I, for one, despise auto-configuring dhcp clients. However, they are a real boon for novice users, how don't care what an IP address is. In this case, I support it (sort-of) to make it easier for novice users to get a network up and running. Real Sys Admins will, of course, configure the boxes properly. And they'll probably use Debian :)
Ah, from the dhcp faq [syr.edu] we see why clients shouldn't assign IP addresses without the use of a server. Couldn't find any documentation on MS' site as to the details of their dhcp client though.
-Brent--
Re:Corel WP Suite for Linux (Score:1)
Anyhow, like you I'm really waiting to lay my paws on their productivity wares: the full Office suite and the graphics apps. What I'd also like to see available (from Corel or anyone - hint hint) is a website development and management app a la Cyberstudio or Dreamweawer. Then I could start considering growing old and lazy...
Re:ISO image download (Score:1)
Command line (Score:2)
mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 corel_cd.iso
Re:Buy CORL now, before it's too late (Score:2)
This is less a result of blind and consuming Linux advocacy than it is blind and consuming greed. Look, at this moment in history, Linux == Gold on Wall St. So long as that's the case, some of us will try to make money from it and get out before the bottom drops out.
Look at me; if Corel gets to $30, I can buy my next car with cash.
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Re:get used to it! (Score:2)
Quite often newbies are very interesting. They will ask questions that you never thought of, make creative suggestions and so on. But these are not the clueless!!
If we get a lot of newbies, great! Be sure to help out the non-clueless. But if I see another post "can I use my WinModem" on RedHat Install I am going to go zerkers!!
Re:Sorry, Not Ready For Primetime Yet! (Score:2)
Real Linux Support? (Score:1)
for Linux, and realplayer 7 beta is already out
for mac/win.
Sorry to say, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see real client support from real.
All we really need though is a good streaming video component to icecast/xmms.
hold on a sec... (Score:1)
**IDIOT** USER INTERFACE DESIGNERS (Score:1)
The windows "close" button SHOULD NEVER, EVER BE NEAR OTHER BUTTONS.
Everyone who has ever used Windows has experienced the thrill of wanting to maximize a window and instead hitting the close button.
It's one of the most significant user interface flaws in Windows.
Why the hell would anyone *ever* wish to replicate it?
Gahd. You know, this makes me a little irate...
Re: Display Control (Score:2)
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Re:**IDIOT** USER INTERFACE DESIGNERS (Score:1)
Re:hello thuoughts ect (Score:1)
This fellow is parodying the type of users that we can expect will use this distro.
These are the users we are going to be stealing from MS, god help us!
New Linux Distributions -- Kill Servers Dead! (Score:1)
I had a charming 50 kbyte/sec transfer rate going, but my first impression of their bandwidth was soon tempered by the sudden disconnect at about 123MB. Ouch. I am no longer able to even get a response out of ftp.corel.com from any machines I have access to, and have not been since it disconnected approximately an hour ago.
Hey, scratch that. I should try posting such news to slashDot more often; they're back up. Huzzah!
Re:Big names and switching to linux - Global ads (Score:1)
True purpose of Comdex (Score:1)
Or perhaps that's good: release early and often, right?
Re:**IDIOT** USER INTERFACE DESIGNERS (Score:1)
Corel Linux Experience (Score:1)
Thanks
Re:**IDIOT** USER INTERFACE DESIGNERS (Score:1)
Might as well have made all the window frames flashing in blue and red. 'cause, as you say, they can always go change it.
Nothing would please me so much as to have a few Human Interface Design experts sit down and knock heads over a weekend to design a UI that is consistent, user friendly and efficient.
Enough of this amateur-hour GUI design. We don't settle much for listening to unskilled, untrained people playing music; we don't settle much for looking at untalented people's art; we don't read books written by illiterate hacks --
-- so let's demand more of our GUI designers!
What?! Only ~320 MB?! (Score:1)
Has Corel put any work into this? (Score:1)
Congrats debian, congrats kde and congrats to the 1 or 2 ppl who from Corel that worked on this.
Corel Linux Mirror (Score:1)
Please note you may need to press the shift key while clicking on this file type to download...
Happy downloading....
Re:You've lost me Corel (Score:1)
if your HD is big enough you may try to mount the ISO-image via the loop-device and afterwards copy the thing anywhere you want.
Regards
Mirko
Re:Has Corel put any work into this? (Score:1)
Now the questions:
Will the suite be native Linux applications, or WINE emulated stuff? I hope they're native apps. But whatever, as long as they work...
Corel's core market... (Score:1)
It's a smart business move on their part. What they'll do to the OS will be unknown until you actually install it and see for yourself!
Can anyone put DEBs online? (Score:1)
as a new distribution should be made available.
Have you tried to Download it? (Score:1)
Re:Has Corel put any work into this? (Score:1)
Word Perfest 8 is in there just not in the download version.
But sadly, no Draw yet.
Source code (Score:1)
Re:Download version is ISO9660 image only (Score:1)
M.
Re: Draw and Paint for Linux (Score:1)
SiteInspector detects no errors in HTML that make it not complient with either Netscape Navigator, or Internet Explorer. The only funky part is this:
and this:
heh.. frontpage-ish.. still.. its not perfect.. but its nothing to bitch about.
Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff
Re:points from the article (Score:1)
Stan "Myconid" Brinkerhoff
Re:2,200 shares bought at $8.75 and sittin pretty! (Score:1)
Off-topic question. What prevents a broker from buying a stock "for you", and then if it suddenly goes up, buying that same amount of stock at the higher price, saying that's yours, and the previous buy was his? (And then selling the original purchase at the new higher price for a nice profit.) Is there a check beyond the integrity of the broker on this sort of thing?
Reboot? (Score:1)
Re:2,200 shares bought at $8.75 and sittin pretty! (Score:1)
Be interesting to see what SEC has to say about this.
-Matthew