How Feds are Dropping the Ball on IPv6 299
BobB-NW writes "U.S. federal agencies have six months to meet a deadline to support IPv6, an upgrade to the Internet's main communications protocol known as IPv4. But most agencies are not grabbing hold of the new technology and running with it, industry observers say. Instead, most federal CIOs are doing the bare minimum required by law to meet the IPv6 mandate, and they aren't planning to use the new network protocol for the foreseeable future."
I don't blame anyone for avoiding IPv6, (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't blame anyone, even government in this case, for avoiding the hassle of getting everything converted to IPv6. Maybe eventually we all will have to be there, but there always seems to be workarounds that work for everyone, minimal hassle, minimal pain.
If you wanted a Starbucks coffee, and it was one street down, and someone told you you had to go through the in-between building, climb up and down its twenty flights of stairs just to get to the next street for you coffee, and you knew you could just walk around the building on the sidewalk, what would you do? Now, if the building were only two stories high, and the block to walk around were 600 ft each side, it might be a different choice.
An interesting aside, meeting the mandate only requires they are IPv6 capable, not running it. This is the same height bar the government set for Microsoft in the early nineties when Microsoft delivered the DOA POSIX-compliant (never to be really used) NT. NT, with its barely implemented POSIX subsystem (only implemented the library portion, btw, not the user interface) got to put a check in the POSIX checkbox for government contracts.
Lesson to be learned? If you want to make an effective mandate, make it a mandate for implementation, not capability.
The government:
Re:As things go ... (Score:2, Insightful)
This presumes that IPV6 is a good idea (Score:2, Insightful)
Those that do only the minimum to achieve IPV6 addressing are in my personal and technical opinion, doing nothing incorrectly beyond violating the spirit of mind-numbing nonsensical regulation. Even if IPV6 addressing were rational, then managing that space still needs work-- even after more than a decade of implementation.
Re:I think AOL will be the first (Score:3, Insightful)
Where is the carrot? (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously not, because if the benefits outweighed the costs, no mandate would be necessary. Agencies would have long ago switched on their own.
And since costs outweigh the benefits, who can blame agencies for doing the bare minimum to achieve compliance? The writeup makes it sound like agency obstinance, but I view it is good budget stewardship. Agencies don't seem to want to flush good budget down the IPv6 toilet.
Why bother? (Score:2, Insightful)
Besides, how long did it take government computer networks to switch from proprietary systems like IBM's SNA, Microsoft's NetBIOS, Banyan's VINES, Digital's DECNET, Apple's Appletalk, and others to IPv4? IPv4 came out in the early '80s. I'd venture to say more than one government office was still using a completely-non-IPv4 network well into the '90s.
No, unless there is a big benefit that justifies the cost, most System Administrators are going to do as little as they can get away with, both in the government and in Corporate America.
Now, if you are in a shop where it's cost-effective to be on IPv6 then by all means why aren't you there already?
Doesn't matter... (Score:1, Insightful)
We should have enough to get us there...
Academic Attitude (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What is IPv6 compliance? (Score:2, Insightful)
You're assuming that
1: They are using "recent desktops"
2: The image that they are loading onto the desktop will support IPv6
Neither of those assumptions are anything resembling a "sure bet".
I'd bet on the Dolphins beating the Patriots next weekend before I'd bet on the above.
Re:I think AOL will be the first (Score:3, Insightful)
I can't see any reason it wouldn't work.
IPv6 still does nothing (Score:3, Insightful)
Until that happens, NOBODY can adopt IPv6. That's the law, and no legislation can change that.
Re:As things go ... (Score:3, Insightful)
ipv6 has been needed 'real soon now' for 20 years. Yes we'll need it eventually, but it's so far from commercial deployment that it's just not an option - most infrastructure simply doesn't support it (in fact trying to run ipv6 over active directory will utterly screw it up because of the conflict between xp supporting ipv6 ad clients and 2003 not supporting them.. everything runs horrendously slow or breaks).
Re:Why bother? (Score:4, Insightful)
Switching to IPv6 often involves hardware switchovers and the elimination of old services that simply cannot interoperate with it because they weren't designed to, and should have been discarded years ago but haven't been, and the original author has very much moved on.
Re:This presumes that IPV6 is a good idea (Score:3, Insightful)
In any case, there is no incentive for government, business or anyone else to adopt IPv6 unless and until it costs them to get IPv4 addresses. ARIN and the other RIRs need to announce *now* that by, say, 2009, they will start charging for IPv4 address allocations. Then you'll see IPv6 take off. If the RIRs don't start charging, then in 2010 or thereabouts they will run out of space and IPv4 users will have to go to those address hoarders who most definitely will charge them. And the result will be a LOT more chaotic for the Internet.
Re:As things go ... (Score:3, Insightful)
This ridiculous anachronism is to be fully blamed on laziness of government and corporate entities as well as some individual users who could not be bothered with 40 digit phone numbers. They were completely ignorant of widespread yellow pages services that would translate friendly names to actual numbers used internally by the phone network. In fact, modern phone headsets can be readily adopted to include an alphanumeric keyboard and do the yellow pages resolution automatically. Your traveling friend can be conveniently reached at room1135.guests.london.uk.holidayinnhotels.com.
Surely there is no need to keep beating the old horse and entertain some people's suggestions that we keep one or two familiar short phone numbers for each family or registered business and then address toasters or individual employees with extensions of length chosen by the particular entity to fit their needs. They are just afraid of our freedom and our speed typing skills!
Re:What is IPv6 compliance? (Score:5, Insightful)
That's the biggest problem. Until I can reach every server with IPv6, I'll still need IPv4. Since I need IPv4, why should I bother with IPv6?
Re:This presumes that IPV6 is a good idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Yup, and the rest is second-system syndrome [wikipedia.org] too.
Re:As things go ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:As things go ... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:As things go ... (Score:3, Insightful)
* v6 address isn't there until ~10 mins after boot or until you disable+enable the interface
* SMB/CIFS over v6? no way
* you can't use DNS over v6
On a complete unrelated note: your name sounds Polish. No major ISPs support v6 here, but the tunnel brokers are awesome. On SixXS I get connections to most oversea places *BETTER* by at least 10ms ping than routed directly through tpsa/Neostrada, tpsa/IDSL, tpsa/PolPak or Netia.