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PS3 Details From Sony Game Day 130

Gamespot has up the record of a liveblog from yesterday's Sony Game day event. They dish a medium-sized helping of dirt, with information like controller price ($50), first-party title price ($60), what is actually in the box, launch window titles, and a bit on what the online experience will offer. From the article: "2:04 p.m.: Hirai says the final boxed product is rolling off the assembly lines as we speak. Then he shows the retail packaging. He says they will have 22 launch-window titles, including games like FEAR, Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, Genji: Days of the Blade, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Untold Legends, and Riiidge Racer 7. (Yes, he said 'Riiidge.')" Meanwhile, 1up has some details on the PS3's pre-order status in Japan ... if you're curious. As well you might be, because importing a PS3 is illegal, doncha know.
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PS3 Details From Sony Game Day

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  • Riiidge Racer 7. (Yes, he said 'Riiidge.')

    It's good to know they're not taking themselves too seriously. That's something, at least. :)
    • Yeah, actually Kaz Hirai seems to be the only person from Sony who speaks about the PS3 to the press that has a level head on his shoulders, explains things thoroughly and well, and seems to be PERSONABLE, unlike Stringer or Kutaragi.
    • Forget what games it comes with.
      With it running linux I think it may be a nifty way to get a cheap cell platform to play with.
      The price may be a bit high for a game console but it's a dirt cheap, screaming fast Cell based platform to have some fun with. yellow-dog-linux-designed-for-playstation-3-208902 .php []
      • Just keep in mind that it only has 256MB RAM. It'll be a fun Cell platform but don't expect to treat it like a Cell workstation which is what everyone has been asking for since Cell specs were announced. Great for clusters, though... if they have gigE, which I doubt but is not impossible.
      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Yeah, just like Linux on the PS2 was such a good way to get to use the emotion engine and all of the PS2's phat hardware.

        Christ, people. When will you learn?

        Not only that, but what exactly do you want to use Cell for? In all of these "boy, I sure do want to play with the Cell, by golly!" posts, I never hear an actual reason. Do you have a pet project that needs a bunch of parallel DSPs? Are you actually an interested programmer, an astroturfer, or just a moron?
        • Here's how it usually works... you give me something that has no apparent use, and eventually i'll find a use for it. Give me a cell chip, i'll adapt new coding practices that make ordinary things fly, or that make flying things teleport! :D
  • That they are not actually comming WITH the launch but possibly weeks later, within the 2 month holiday season.

    I seriously think Sony is going out of it's way to fuck this up, its too comical at this point for them not to be trying at screwing up the launch.

    • by badasscat ( 563442 ) <> on Friday October 20, 2006 @11:24AM (#16516647)
      I seriously think Sony is going out of it's way to fuck this up, its too comical at this point for them not to be trying at screwing up the launch.

      (rolls eyes)

      What you're basing this on is the rants of fanboys - whether they be random people posting in forums and comments, or those posing as "journalists" and writing actual articles. There's really no distinction apart from some possibly better grammar.

      The proof is in the pudding. The PS3 is out there. It's playable - it was playable at TGS, and it's sitting right now in Sony's building in Ginza in Tokyo. Anyone can walk in and play Minna no Golf and Gran Turismo in full HD on one of Sony's new 1080p Bravia displays. No need to listen to the inane ramblings of those who have never experienced the system anymore.

      When you play the system, all your doubts melt away. I remember thinking "wait a minute, what are the supposed problems with this system again?"

      The price is an absolute thing, true - even after giving the system a try, that doesn't change. But what does change is your perception of it. The PS3 is, at the moment, a luxury item, and it feels it - when you see it hooked up to a 60" Bravia LCD playing both games and Blu-Ray movies at 1080p, you start to get it. It is not even intended to be a mass market system yet.

      And I think that's fine for now, given that there will only even be 400,000 units at launch. Remember the iPod in 2001? A lot of people said it was ridiculous to charge $400 for such a device. But it worked, and the price has gradually come down and the iPod itself made more of a commodity. That will happen with the PS3 too.

      But to play a PS3 is to lust after a PS3. You will want one. Whether you can afford it yet or not is another matter, but I don't think that's really relevant to Sony's strategy, and I don't see anything about this launch that they've "fucked up".
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by ShadowsHawk ( 916454 )
        "But to play a PS3 is to lust after a PS3." Three points. 1. My PC has been doing 'HD' for years. 2. My desire simply does not justify the cost. 3. Seven of the nine games listed are ports or sequels. I certainly can afford the PS3, but I simply don't believe that I would get $600 of fun out of the machine.
        • by oc255 ( 218044 )
          Your PC can't run the latest games at 1920x1080 @ 60fps. It probably will in a year. This is the PS2 vs PC all over again, PC loses for a little while ...
        • by flewp ( 458359 )
          And for everyone who feels the same way as you, there's enough people who feel the opposite for the launch units to sell out. The point is, your three points may be valid to you, but they do not represent everyone. I'm not saying you implied they do, but so many people bring up such points as a reason why the PS3 will fail. I think the PS3 will do quite fine, because as we've seen with past consoles, people are willing to pay even 3x as much for one after they've sold out the initial launch units. As ti
          • by Osty ( 16825 )

            And for everyone who feels the same way as you, there's enough people who feel the opposite for the launch units to sell out.

            You say that like it means something [].

        • by tepples ( 727027 )
          1. My PC has been doing 'HD' for years.

          With how many players per machine? The PC appears not to support single-head simultaneous multiplayer in commercial titles. The vast majority of multiplayer PC games tend to require one PC and one copy of the game per player. You can use one $600 premium PS3, one $800 HDTV monitor, and n $60 games, or you can use four $500 entry-level PCs, four $300 monitors, and 4n $40 games.

      • Thank you for the reality dose, you beat me to it.
      • Yeah man, listen - I don't know about all this sexy talk - but (aside from the bluray thing) my PC, which I built myself, blows the PS3 out of the water. I can do everything else you just said, and if I want to play bluray DVDs (I'm not really that interested in it) I could just buy a player.

        To me, the system looks like a huge waste of money. Sony uses theis "IT'S LEET MAN!" attitude to attract consumers who define their own coolness by the products they own. I just don't buy into that school of thought.

        • by oc255 ( 218044 ) <`moc.oohay' `ta' `klifklim'> on Friday October 20, 2006 @01:12PM (#16518181) Homepage
          Your PC is below the PS3. Please realize this. Full HD is 1920x1080p. You cannot (even with magic books) play Oblivion on a PC at full quality with all the fancy blinky stuff at this resolution. The PS3 will, for a time, trump everything that the PC has whether you assembled the pre-fab parts or not.

          As far as the 360, it's more bad design. And before you flame me, ask "do I want to fast-forward MP3s on a $400 console?". The 360 can't do that and there's no goddamn good reason. It's MS. It's disconnect and it's not the center of my living room if it can only skip MP3's, no rewind, no fast-forward. Some things are nice, as usual, but they miss the polish or sell the polish in MCE edition.
          • /snicker... This right here is why no one takes Sony fanbois rants as serious.
            • by oc255 ( 218044 )
              You could say the same thing about your comment. Mostly because full paragraphs aren't flamey quips that are intended to start a fight. I own most things that I have opinions on (excepting the PS3) and if I was a fanboi, I wouldn't own the 360. Right?

              1. The 360 can't fast forward through MP3s, so if I want it to be the center of the living room... I lose functionality that my 1990 discman had? Major oversight imho.
              2. I have a 360, gamecube, ps2. I will get the Wii and the PS3. Vote with your dollar.

              • by Echnin ( 607099 )
                I don't know about 1920x1080, but my 7800GT ran Oblivion at 1600x1200. Not the best framerate, but not bad at all. And it didn't cost me anywhere near $600.
                • by oc255 ( 218044 )
                  Consoles win on bang-per-buck. Your video card doesn't run by itself. Please include whole PC cost. And then talk about what PCs can do that consoles can, because it's apples and oranges. I guess people are inclined to say whatever, even though this has happened before. The PC couldn't hang with the PS2, many people bought the PS2 as their first DVD player and then the PC caught up, got DVD and passed the PS2. All the while, the PC's general purpose architecture cost people more to upgrade (see: throw
                  • by Echnin ( 607099 )
                    Oh, I agree on the concept of consoles being superior to PCs when it comes to games; I sold off my gaming desktop and now only own a MacBook. Going to buy a console in the near future and connect it to my computer display. :)
      • by Maul ( 83993 )
        So for the complete Sony branded experience, not only do I need $600 for my PS3, but I need to shell out over $4000 for the 60" Bravia. Great. When I ask my boss for a raise, I'll be sure to mention I'll need the extra cash so I can play Riiiiige Racer the way Sony intends. Or maybe I can take out a home equity loan.
        • by oc255 ( 218044 )
          Yes, a common argument. I dunno, I bought a TV in 2001 that does 1080p for $2k. It's lasted me for 5 years, it's not the best. However, even Oblivion looks good at 1024x768. It's sometimes not the quantity of pixels that matters but the quality that matters. My same TV plays the PS2 and Gamecube at 1080p but the 360 looks better. Same TV.

          Yes, you miss out on 1080p but the 360 looks better at 1080i than my Gamecube because of quality, not quantity of pixels.
          • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

            by Osty ( 16825 )

            Yes, a common argument. I dunno, I bought a TV in 2001 that does 1080p for $2k. It's lasted me for 5 years, it's not the best. However, even Oblivion looks good at 1024x768. It's sometimes not the quantity of pixels that matters but the quality that matters. My same TV plays the PS2 and Gamecube at 1080p but the 360 looks better. Same TV.

            What TV is this that was doing 1080p years before the first 1080p sets hit the market (2003) that actually accepts a 1080p signal, and has HDMI+HDCP connections years b

        • by ivan256 ( 17499 )
          This may come as a shock to you, but for the PS3 to succeed, *you* neither have to want one or buy one. The fact of the matter is that Sony came up with a business plan for sales of their machine, and they sold every single one they offered for the terms you considered unreasonable.

          There are a lot of things out there that people think are overpriced... Things that people wish they could afford, but are just out of their reach for the time being. You just have to come to terms with the fact that those things
      • Personally one of the major shortcomings with the PS3 is the fact that they've used the same controller (the layout at least) on their last three systems. It's nice they've added "triggers" but from what I've read they are awkward to use. The motion sensing seems like an afterthought to me. I used to love Sony's controller but as games started adopting the analog sticks the flaw in the Sony design began to show itself. Their placement makes it difficult to accurately and quickly transistion from left to
        • by flewp ( 458359 )
          Though I quickly get used to just about any controller (with the exception of the Xbox's early giant-size controllers) I've actually liked the design of the PS controller. I don't really experience the problems you say you have with driving games, and I played a lot of GT3 and 4.

          You do have a point about being stagnant with the controller though. I don't think it necessarily needs a completely radical redesign, but it's barely even been an evolutionary process. Sure, the motion sensing could be cool,
      • when you see it hooked up to a 60" Bravia LCD playing both games and Blu-Ray movies at 1080p, you start to get it

        I'll "get" that it looks exactly like watching an HD-DVD on a 60" Bravia LCD. Which looks surprisingly like watching a regular DVD on a no-brand 60" LCD, as long as you're not standing 2 feet from the screen.

        HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is nice, but there just isn't enough content. Practically every movie ever made is on DVD, and they cost $8-$15 if you are willing to shop around. I already have a substantial

        • Actually most Lexuses are if anything designed worse than the cheaper Toyotas. I remember being in the auto shop at yuba college doing air conditioning work (I'm ASE certified, whee) and some chick brought in a Lexus with a clunk in the suspension. Turns out that the front suspension on this Lexus was designed with a non-replacable ball joint in the upper A-Arm (it's double wishbone, IIRC.) you have to replace the entire upper A-arm in order to replace the ball joint. Lexuses are big piles of shit and anyon
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Baldrash ( 544048 )
        I felt exactly the same way when the PSP came out. Then I bought it, and the drought of good games has relegated it to dust collector status. Both the PSP and PS3 are impressive technically, but without worthwhile games (which we haven't seen much of, except White Knight) it's just going to leave most gamers cold.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by revlayle ( 964221 )
        This may be redundant... but the iPod did not require third party software to use. You could put MP3s that you had on it it and go and use it anywhere. PS3 will require software/games to sell it (i know it can browse the web and play music and videos, not the main selling point i think - even then, this may apply to Blu-Ray movies to a degree, also), and if it takes too long to adopt, the software developers will pull out because they aren't making profits from developing for the system.
      • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward
        You have got to be kidding me. I've seen the PS3 in action, and yes the graphics are a LITTLE BIT better than what we have right now. I'm a huge graphics snob, so of course I notice how good the graphics are, but if you put it side-by-side with some of the PS2's better graphically-souped up games MOST PEOPLE wont notice. There's nothing mind-blowingly amazing about it except that it's a cheap bluray player. Graphics have peaked, plain and simple. What people are looking for now are new types of games a
  • Ah lucky europe. Why bother tempting yourself with these bits of know we;re not getting ours till March damn sony.
  • by Bananatree3 ( 872975 ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @09:45AM (#16515465)
    Maybe in a while when the price goes down from 500+ will I take a look at it.
    • hum.

      if you're will to buy at $499 and wait, why not shell out the extra $100 and have it now ?

      100$ extended over a few months isn't a big deal.
  • They will disturbe our entire ecosystem, or realase to much CO2.
      God Bless America, and free trade that we are allowed.
  • Title (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Fozzyuw ( 950608 )

    Is it just me, the fact that I'm not much of a Sony fan (I only bought a used PS2 a month ago, but I do enjoy the games I'm playing), but I'm not exactly interested in the titles they're offering up? Untold Legends? I had the first one on the PSP and it was traded in

    Of course, I've been pretty negative about the PS3 with it's high price and undesired hardware (HD output and blue-ray, though I like the Blue-Ray more than HD-DVD), but being a person who dislikes sports titles on video games (Techmo SuperB

    • Great- Now I'm going to have the theme song for blades of steel stuck in my head all day long. Along with anyone who ever played it.
      • Great- Now I'm going to have the theme song for blades of steel stuck in my head all day long. Along with anyone who ever played it.

        You, sir, have an amazing head.
    • I dunno, maybe I'm not into the NCAA, FIFA, NFL, NHL titles. The sports games I enjoyed (with the exception above) where always 'generic' leages

      Unfortunately, the economies of scale in console licensing make the video game market a representative plutocracy. Tastes have shifted such that most other people who choose to buy team sport games would prefer EA's Madden NFL instead of Midway's Blitz: The League or some other gridiron football game that uses a fictional league. Frankly, as of 2006, it appears th

  • by Maul ( 83993 ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @10:25AM (#16515885) Journal
    So let me get this straight.

    1. Go to Japan.
    2. Buy a bunch of PS3s legally.
    3. Offer to sell these PS3s I purchased legally on my web page to international customers.
    4. Resell the PS3s to people outside of Japan.

    I fail to see how this is illegal, per say. I'm a bit confused.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Thansal ( 999464 )
      You and me both.

      Aparently they won a suit against Lik-Sang, however mabey there is something going on there, like any one that orders from Sony wholesale signs an agreement to not sell out of their region.....

      Either way, it is crazy.
    • by interiot ( 50685 )
      Parallel importation []... consumers love it, manufacturers hate it and try to get laws passed to prohibit it. Every once in a while, governments fall for their whining about economic losses, and pass those laws.
    • by Detritus ( 11846 )
      They may be using trademark law. Customs can seize goods that make unauthorized use of a trademark, such as some grey-market goods.
      • Customs can seize goods that make unauthorized use of a trademark, such as some grey-market goods.

        Then sell your grey-market PSP as an "LCD Game System Compatible with Sony PSP Games". Trademark law in the United States and some other countries does not restrict nominative use [] of "PSP" in the previous phrase, just as various computer makers in the 1980s advertised that their products were "IBM compatible".

  • I just had this thought... more along the lines of random musings.
    I apologize if someone had already discussed this :)

    PS-3 would actually be a good vehicle for Sony to introduce its own OS .. a la-Apple. coz they will rightaway have a HUGE marketshare.
    And they can sell higher priced hardware (Vaios etc) using the same OS, which means that games written for PS3 that does NOT use PS3 specific hardware feature would work on the Sony PCs.

    If Sony had bought, BeOS, which I hear has low latency and was made from
    • by Cheapy ( 809643 ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @11:03AM (#16516339)
      SonyOS: Crackers won't trojan you, we already have.
    • by DrXym ( 126579 ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @12:33PM (#16517683)
      The PS3 can run Linux so it already has its own OS. It's not clear if Yellow Dog Linux 5.0 [] is the official Linux for the PS3, but it's still a pretty awesome to see it at all. The FAQ even says you can download it for free (though paying for it gets you updates). Interestingly YDL has a Cell SDK and cluster management software. So you really could build a Beowulf cluster of these.

      Details are pretty light so far. I'd like to know if YDL runs alongside the PS3 cross bar media interface, resides in it, or what.

  • by thatguywhoiam ( 524290 ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @10:59AM (#16516301)
    The most surprising details to me were how finished the much-questioned Playstation Store and online service are. I was fully expecting this to be the flimsiest part of the PS3 offering but it actually seems quite solid. (And I love, love love that Cross Media Bar interface. The X360 dashboard is nice until you have a zillion items that you must grab out of a pull-down menu; then its pure hell.)

    Also I think throwing a bluray copy of Talladega Nights into the box - a month ahead of the film's actual release - is quite clever. Let people see what bluray is, if they are lucky enough to have a TV that can play HD. This was a popular promo for the PSP.

    Anyone have more details of PSP-to-PS3 functionality? I've read numerous 'possibilities', the remote feature, and the stuff about downloading PS1 games to PSP via PS3, but what about streaming movies etc?

    • by DarkJC ( 810888 )
      Anyone have more details of PSP-to-PS3 functionality?

      That's all been revealed on Game Day. I personally read the info on this stuff over at IGN, but I'm assuming you can get the coverage from anywhere. Basically, there will be a PSP "Remote Play" feature that will turn the PS3 into a slave device operated by the PSP. All video, music, photos, etc stored on your PS3 will be viewable from your PSP. Also, there was a demo that allowed a 1080p Blu-ray movie being played back on the PS3 to immediately switch
      • Thank you very much for the PSP info. The streaming movies thing is incredibly cool. (That takes a LOT of horsepower, if its doing realtime compression + streaming to H.264 and serving it over WiFi.)
        • PSP and PS3 integration is only possible with the WiFi version of the PS3. You are looking at an extra purchase if you buy the low-end version of the PS3. Dumb.
          • The low end version of the Ps3 is upgradable to Wifi via USB. It's not crippled by any means.
            • Sure, it can be done, but if they are going to charge so much for a console, the inclusion of relatively inexpensive WiFi seems like a no brainer. But then again, the whole notion of two versions of the same console is mind-boggling to me. The whole point of a stand-alone console should be the uniformity of the platform. "Upgradable" consoles just make everything more expensive for the consumer and more difficult for the developer.
      • by flewp ( 458359 )
        Though I don't own, or plan to buy a PSP, hopefully the PSP-PS3 integration with games isn't done as afterthoughts, or too much emphasis put on it so as to adversely(sp) affect other parts of the game. Things like a rear-view mirror, while it may sound like a good idea, seems kind of pointless to me. I'd rather have the rear view mirror on the screen, in front of me, at the top - Where you would expect a rear-view mirror to normally be in your field of view when driving. Unless you have some kind of spec
  • by thatguywhoiam ( 524290 ) on Friday October 20, 2006 @11:16AM (#16516559)
    I submitted this, but Zonk didn't post it. I would think it would be a big deal; perhaps I'm missing some detail.

    He's the Ars Technica article: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3 Announced []

    If we get YDL for PS3, does this not mean we can write homebrew software for it? It just seems to change the equation a bit. A $600 game console is expensive, but a $600 multicore Linux PC that can do HD, Bluray and a bunch of other interesting tricks is a lot more interesting...

    • Thats because it was posted on Monday Yellow Dog Linux v5.0 for PS3 Announced []

      On a side note, OMG Zonk didn't post a dupe.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by gstoddart ( 321705 )
      I submitted this, but Zonk didn't post it. I would think it would be a big deal; perhaps I'm missing some detail.

      He's the Ars Technica article: Yellow Dog Linux for PS3 Announced

      Don't know when you posted it to Zonk, but this was posted on Monday [].

      For once, maybe the editors prevented a duplicate.

    • That's what I've been saying for months when people said $600 for a console was too much, It's not an ordinary console:

      PS3/PS2/PS1 games
      Video on disk and transferred to it's storage
      Web Browsiner (without Linux)
      and Linux. with the usual Firefox, Thunderbird OO.o combo and GCC.

      It's a steal.
  • Not to be too offtopic, but i noticed the 'funny' fact that nearly all of the game titles
    look like this: "GAMEXYZ 8".

    Call of Duty 3, Full Auto 2, NBA Live 07, NBA 2K7, NHL 2K7, Rainbow Six Vegas, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Ridge Racer 7 ... that gives me the feeling that they are just re-releasing the same games with minor changes but better graphics.
    Tony 8? Ridge Racer 7? how many of them will there be ?

    • by oc255 ( 218044 )
      Final Fantasy 11->12 vs Windows 98->XP? Some brands "reboot". One might be good, one might be the same old crap with a new name. Judge book + cover? I think it's the smallest aspect of a game. But at the same time, Final Fantasy MCMLXXXIV would be pretty absurd (if not Orwellian ;P).
  • Yeah, they say "FREE" browsing and "FREE" downloadable demos, but am I the only one didn't see anything about the cost of online play against other players? How much is Sony's version of X-Box Live?

Some people manage by the book, even though they don't know who wrote the book or even what book.