Apple Releases Remote Desktop 3 96
Dan Uricoli writes to tell us MacFixIt is reporting that today Apple computer has released remote desktop 3 " Some of the new or updated features include; a Remote Spotlight search, Dashboard widget, Curtain mode, user history reports, and more.
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Remote desktop came out with XP (Score:4, Insightful)
Post in question referred to Vista Remote Desktop (Score:3, Funny)
Post in question refers to LONGHORN Remote Desktop (Score:1)
PS. This exact comment has already been posted. Try to be more original...
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ARD did not come with the eMacs. The school would not pay for it. When _I_ saw the price tag, I obtained it through ... other means. Given that these kids were 7th graders, her ability to shut down every computer when class was over (as well
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As the poster below notes, it's a low price per machine, at the $300 Educational Discount price. Nevertheless, it's still steep. I can dream, can't I?
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-Kurt
Re:Oh? (Score:2)
"It makes (Aozora) look young, it makes them look hip, it makes them look like a challenger brand."
Re:Oh? (Score:2)
And if you had read it yourself, you'd realize that it's not possible for it to entirely be a marketing gimmick. This is 2500 employees with only a Mac on their desks. What, are they all supposed to be just taking up space or do you suppose they're doing real work? If the latter, then the Macs are functional, not gimmicks.
-Kurt
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The Remote Desktop software that's built into Vista is essentially the same as the Citrix based 'Hydra', formally known as Windows NT 4.0 Terminal Server Edition, which was released in 1998. It has clients for Windows CE, Windows for Workgroups 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 2003, and can also be accessed through a web browser.
Apple's Remote Desktop soft
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I wonder if VNC will work this time. (Score:3, Informative)
Improvements were in order.
Re:I wonder if VNC will work this time. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I wonder if VNC will work this time. (Score:2)
Re:I wonder if VNC will work this time. (Score:2)
It works fine for me. My only complaints are that it's less responsive than a Win32 Tight/UltraVNC server.
Likewise, I occasionally have problems with the VNCServer hanging, and have to SSH in and terminate the process. I understand this bug was fixed in subsequent versions, however.
Re:I wonder if VNC will work this time. (Score:2)
I've had no trouble at all connecting from my Windows machine at work; the only thing I've run into is that I need to leave the connection settings on the client to "Auto," and that it will only use 32-bit color, it just crashes if I select anything less. So if you
question about this (Score:2)
Re:question about this (Score:5, Informative)
You can observe multiple computers, send UNIX commands to Mac OS X clients. (3.0 is 10.3.9 and Tiger only if I remember right), install packages on multiple computers, copy files to multiple computers, shut down, wake up, sleep, restart, search for files, install packages.
And new in 3.0 (Deuce) is remote spotlight searching, user history reports, and some automator and applescripting for (albeit limited) automation. There's also some nice UI improvements, things like being able to save task templates and remote drag-and-drop (drag a file from the computer you're controlling onto your desktop and vice versa) and remote clipboard (copy-and-paste)
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For enterprise-class software, it seems like a bargain to me.
Still fricking expensive, though (Score:2, Insightful)
I can't help but think this is taking Apple Remote Desktop from something that would be a great and useful tool to something ignored and forgotten. Apple doesn't seem to realize that "mac network
Look at what it can do though (Score:2)
But...Look deeper and you'll see if offers moree than just basic remote access. http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ [apple.com]
When you consider what comes built into Active Directory and XP I agree it seems a bit odd to pay for this. But on the other hand look at it this way, the unlimited Edition is only $499. Compare that to how much a few hundred Macs cost and this becomes a no brainer.
Re:Look at what it can do though (Score:3, Interesting)
And there's things like Multi-Observe that you don't see in other tools.
Plus combine this with a OS X Server and then you can use things like Remote Set Startup Disk to reimage and entire lab at once. Its a very handy tool, although its a very niche market. Its mostly used by school administrators and admins in graphics design houses and other simil
Re:Look at what it can do though (Score:2)
Having deployed multiple different software packages throughout an AD network, I don't really know what you're talking about. It doesn't get a whole lot easier than "add the package to the MMC snapin and it installs on the next login".
There's also SMS if you have more extensive needs.
Re:Still fricking expensive, though (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know where you've been looking for mac-only networks but obviously you have never stepped foot inside a company in the creative industries. Photography, design, print, and graphics happen almost exclusively in mac-only environments (such as the one I work in). Our IT department (and likely many, many others in similar companies around the world) uses ARD to remotely install software so that a technician doesn't have to come over from the other building just to sit and wait for installs to happen.
In addition, ARD is used extensively in mac-only computer labs on University campuses everywhere. It can be used to allow a single person to sit at a desk in front of the lab and read questions from users in the form of administrator messages. It saves the trouble of having to search in a lab for someone who needs help and it allows an administrator to better multitask while helping students.
Don't assume that just because you personally don't have a use for something that it's useless. If there weren't a multitude of sites that used ARD version 2 and were all willing to purchase licenses for it, Apple wouldn't bother to come out with a third version.
Re:Still fricking expensive, though (Score:2)
Sounds nice, but our company is also a publishing one, and we have a handful of macs and hundreds of XP boxes. Not that I prefer it this way, but that's how it is. We had a "Can anybody do it better than Mr. Gates?" VP in charge of the IT group for about three years and, well, here we are.
Actually, for the drones working in sales, Macs would be more trouble than they're worth.
"I can't find my Start button!" Oy...
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In addition, ARD is used extensively in mac-only computer labs on University campuses everywhere.
Bingo. I work in such a lab (actually, several labs scattered around a university campus), and we use ARD all the time to remote-control machines, remotely launch UNIX utilities, and remotely gather information. ("I can't remember off the top of my head if the Theatre Lab machines have enough RAM for this app...")
I'm personally looking forward to ARD 3. Curtain Mode is going to be such a nice improvement
Re:Still fricking expensive, though (Score:5, Insightful)
I look forward to using ARD for doing things such as dynamicly rolling out software, for example you can say "Make sure all eMacs with 512MB ram or greater install office 2004 when they boot up on the lan" and from that point on any computer fitting that description (with ARD enabled) will autmaticly download and install office 2004 from the admin machine. (yes I know you can do this with AD, but until now I havn't seen anything that can do it nicely on a MAc) I can run software usage reports to collect data on all applications that are run on the network over a given time period great for making recomendations on what software is used enough to purchase updates for and what software is hardly being utilized. I can copy a file or a string of text on a client (or admin machine) than paste it on the other ARD3 will send the copy / paste data back and forth (this I have not seen anywhere).
With ARD I can run a small script to collect all client computer information (location, computer name, printers, mac addy) than when I re-image a school full of computers run another script that configures all the machines. imaging, than configuring 150 computers in a day complete with their proper names and default printer configurations is incredibly powerful and because the machines are Macs I can do it all from a single image no mater what mix of iMacs, eMacs, G5 towers etc.. are in the system.
I could go on but I have to go order my copy of ARD 3.
Re:Still fricking expensive, though (Score:5, Informative)
The administrator portion of ARD is not meant for the user that wants to control his Mac desktop from another computer on the same network. It is meant for the administrators of those Macs on the network. Not just to take control of the desktop remotely, but for generating hardware/software reports, pushing out files, removing files, performing mass installs of packages, etc...
The client portion of ARD is free. Beginning with 10.3, the client was included with the OS. It is also available for download from Apple's website. You do not need ARD administrator in oder to control a Mac that has the client enabled. In the client there is a setting to enable VNC access. After doing so, that computer can be controlled just like any other computer running a VNC server.
I do not work in a Mac only environment. But ARD has proven valuable enough for each member of our staff to have their own licensed copy. It saves quite a bit of time when trying to manage ~2000 Macs spread out over the nine buildings in our WAN.
I do agree that the $499 price is a bit much, considering the major incompatibilities between releases. The main problem is that all those running ARD administrator must be upgraded at the same time. The reason being that a v2 admin cannot fully interact with a v1 client. Once the v1 client is updated (free) to v2, a v1 admin cannot fully interact with the v2 client. Heck, a v2.2 and v2.1 don't even play nice together. I haven't used v3 of the admin yet, but I am not holding my breath for this to change.
Re:Still fricking expensive, though (Score:1)
Would you mind pointing me to the download of the free client? I did some googling and only came up with this [apple.com], which requires the admin software.
Thanks very much, VNC is quite tedious to use given its latency.
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WTF! You mean that all this time, I was fighting with osxvnc for NOTHING?!
*runs over to the Mac running 10.4*
Wow. Indeed this works quite well from the Win32 VNCviewer. I always believed you had to buy ARD to do this (and then only control Macs from other Macs, not cross-platform like I'm doing now with VNC).
Thanks a bunch, even though you now make me fe
Re:Still fricking expensive, though (Score:3, Insightful)
Wow! I assumed the same thing. Especially given that the Control Panel for it specifically mentions that it is for use with ARD. I never bothered looking into that control panel because I was not willing to buy ARD, since it seemed expensive to me (I incorrectly thought it was just an Apple remote desktop client/server) and I don't really want to control remote control between my old clamshell iBook and Mac mini.
But this is great! I a
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What I'm pissed about is ARD2 Admin doesn't work with the intel macs, but ARD3
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We're not Mac-only (the AutoCAD-using departments require a fair number of Windows boxes), but my college uses ARD with a network of a few hundred Macs, which we spent more than a few shoestrings on. ARD is invaluable, easily worth the price. Heck, it even saved us the cost of a KVM switch (and KVM) for our rack of Xserves.
As an example of how it's more than just a VNC or Windows Remote analog, we recently encountered
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Yes, and it should be noted that SMS retails for $1,219 for one server with 10 client licenses - significantly more expensive than ARD at $499 for unlimited clients.
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Remote Spotlight search
Leveraging the revolutionary Spotlight technology in Mac OS X Tiger, the new Remote Spotlight capability in Apple Remote Desktop 3 can perform lightning fast searches on remote client systems running Mac OS X v10.4 or later. Summary results for each client are updated instantly as results are returned. View details on results, or refine searches even further using additional qualifiers. Results can be viewed on remote client systems, copied back to your administrator system, or deleted.
Dashboard widget
Apple Remote Desktop 3 provides you with a new Dashboard widget that gives you an instant, at-a-glance view of the remote computers in your network. It's fully integrated with the Apple Remote Desktop administrative application, so a click on a particular computer will allow you to select and start working with any computer in the system.
Curtain Mode
For those times when you want your actions to be hidden from the end user, there's Curtain Mode. This allows you to block the view behind a virtual curtain, while retaining full control of the screen. It's perfect for those working on public-facing systems.
I'll be here until about six, if there are any other pages you'd like me to copy and paste for you today.
Careful! (Score:2)
Re:Can anybody give more details? (Score:3, Informative)
Remote Spotlight search
Leveraging the revolutionary Spotlight technology in Mac OS X Tiger, the new Remote Spotlight capability in Apple Remote Desktop 3 can perform lightning fast searches on remote client systems running Mac OS X v10.4 or later.
Interesting screenshot... (Score:1, Redundant)
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LOL @ Curtain Mode (Score:5, Funny)
It would of course be fun to have a curtain drop on the user's screen. Fix what the user screwed up and then have the curtain and "house lights" go up with a ta-da! sound. The mystery of how IT performs its functions is safe.
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I like the upgrade pricing (Score:3, Insightful)
That sucks.
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I don't know the "remote desktop" scene too much but I think 3.x client is needed for Mactels and if you already own 2.x, you need to buy 3.x and there is no "upgrade" even for that spesific, Apple created situation.
I am not sure since these days it is like impossible to get "real, sure" info in Mac scene. There are Apple zealots, Anti Intel zealots and Mactel zealots
Re:Why so expensive? (Score:1)
Features explained (Score:1)
Isn't this just VNC? (Score:1)
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But for $300 times the number of copies that Apple will be selling, couldn't one hire programmers to replicate the missing features?
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Hmm (Score:1)
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I just downloaded my copy off ASW - nice, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
Interestingly, installing the same update on my older PowerBook didn't cause any problems, and the whole list imported properly. Not a super big deal overall, except ARD gives you no way to save the usernames and passwords for transfer (moving the
That said, it is definitely an improvement on the older version. And, unlike most older ARD revs, it manages older client versions just fine. You give up the new encryption feature when you do so (no biggie if you connect via a VPN anyway), and I don't know what else yet, but it's reasonably slick thus far.
For those of you wondering "why does Apple charge for this when Windows gives you Remote Desktop for free?", ARD is not really analogous to Windows' Remote Desktop. To get what Windows gives you, just use any VNC viewer with the built-in VNC client on the Mac. ARD is intended for network administrators, and the remote control features are almost a bonus. Package management, reporting, and all that sort of fun stuff is what you get with ARD.
Full-screen mode? (Score:2)
Every other type of application that gives you a remote has some settable option to do this...
Am I missing something (ARD 2.2)?
No Upgrade Path (Score:1)
ARD vs Microsoft RDC and VNC (Score:3, Informative)
VNC only does ONE thing: it allows remote control of machines graphically (screen sharing). In order to do any of the things one might wish to do to a remote machine, you have to SEE its desktop and perform those tasks as if you were actually sitting at the other computer. There is no way to perform tasks simultaneously on multiple remote computers, or to simply send instructions to the remote computer, except by controlling it and manually performing them using mouse/keyboard just as you would if you were sitting there. The VNC protocol is essentially bitmapped and everything being done - every frame of every screenful of data - has to be transmitted continuously, and all you get is a mirror image of the remote computer's screen.
RDC is functionally similar to VNC, with the following additions:
(1) In addition to screen sharing, you can also optionally map your printers and disks so that they appear on the remote computer while you're controlling it, so you could, for instance, print a work document and send it to your printer wherever you happen to be at, or put a software installation CD in your drive wherever you happen to be at, and then install that software onto the remote computer because it would also appear in its My Computer as an available drive. Likewise, you can map sounds on the remote computer to yours so that you can hear them.
(2) The RDC protocol is (for lack of a better term) vector-based, meaning that instead of transmitting the remote computer's screen image pixel-by-pixel, this is all performed using the RDC display language. To use an anology, if VNC is a bitmapped inkjet printer, RDC is a postscript printer. This makes the RDC protocol much faster, and remote control is significantly snappier and more responsive as a result. This also means that the desktop you are controlling does not need to be appear identically on both machines; consequently, if the remote computer has a giant widescreen monitor and you're connecting to it on a laptop with a much smaller screen, you don't have to choose between everything being scaled down in size to fit or having to scroll around in order to view the total desktop area; the placement of the taskbar and desktop icons will be adjusted to fit your screen's size.
Comparing RDC and VNC, they mostly have the same features and work the same way: whatever you need to accomplish on the remote computer has to be done by screen sharing and performing the tasks as if you were sitting at the other machine.
Apple Remote Desktop is a VASTLY different product.
First of all, yes, ARD does have a screen sharing capability, just like VNC and RDC, and apparently uses a VNC server as the underlying mechanism. The ARD client component has been a standard part of Mac OS X since Panther (10.3) and can be installed on any other machines free of charge. So any Mac can BE controlled remotely either right out of the box or by installing the client which doesn't have a cost. Any Mac can CONTROL another one with any VNC client, without purchasing any copies of the full ARD product for either machine. Of course, if you do have the full ARD product, it allows you to remotely control any other computer that either has the ARD client OR is running the VNC server, including *nix and Windows machines.
However, beyond screen sharing, ARD does a ton of other things that neither RDC or VNC do at all, period, including:
(1) A huge number of tasks can be performed on a remote computer simply by transmitting commands to that computer -- NOT by viewing its screen and then manually performing the task. This includes everything from shutting a machine down to installing software packages and executing UNIX commands and shell scripts. NONE of these tasks require you to actually view the remote computer's sc