Zelda On The DS, Sega on the Revolution 263
At the Nintendo Keynote today, Company President Iwata reiterated the same 'think differently' ideas that he espoused at last year's GDC. This time he had concrete data to back up his industry disruption message, detailing the millions in sales their 'Brain Training' line of games have racked up. Along with his message, he announced a new Zelda title on the DS, and the fact that Sega Genesis games will be on the Revolution, a part of the online library of games they're offering.
Finally! Some Zelda (Score:4, Interesting)
I really really wanted the highest rated game ever to be in my pocket.
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:2)
Cheer up, maybe it will come as a pre-order bonus. ^_^
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:2, Insightful)
Perhaps there could be future refinements of the "stylus as joystick" interface, but so far I think Nintendo has to accept that the DS does _not_ have an analog stick - it has a pointing device.
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:2)
Re:Finally! Some Zelda (Score:3, Interesting)
viva la revolution? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:viva la revolution? (Score:4, Informative)
Been on display at GDC.
Of course, if you are talking games, Iwata implied, and possibly flat out said (can't remember right this moment) that there would be playable games at E3 this year. Which, of course, is pretty obvious if they are planning to launch later this year.
Re:viva la revolution? (Score:2)
TurboGrafx! (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:TurboGrafx! (Score:2)
Zelda for CD-i (Score:2)
I'm hoping that somehow I can get my hands on the old 3Di Zelda games that came out.
You mean CD-i [wikipedia.org] Zelda games. (You must have been conflating CD-i with 3DO.) Wikipedia has more info about licensed but non-canon Zelda games for CD-i [wikipedia.org].
Re:TurboGrafx! (Score:3, Interesting)
It has an excellent, evil soundtrack, along with a bunch of bonus tables you can enter while playing on the main table. Not to mention destroying all the skeletons with the pinball. I hope they port it to the revolution, even though I have access to it through my modded xbox.
Re:TurboGrafx! (Score:2)
Re:TurboGrafx! (Score:2, Interesting)
-Jason
Re:TurboGrafx! (Score:4, Interesting)
TurboExpress SP (Score:3)
Buy a Game Boy Advance SP and a GBA flash cart, and you can run PCEAdvance [passagen.se], a TG16 emulatarr! for GBA. This will do nicely until Nintendo expands Revolution Live Arcade to include Revolution/DS connectivity.
Blazing Lazers (Score:2)
Thats it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Nintendo's keynote gets what, three sentences?
Re:Thats it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Thats it? (Score:2, Funny)
Video Trailer (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Video Trailer (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Video Trailer (Score:2)
Links are wrong (Score:4, Informative)
Revolution to play Genesis and Turbografx games [gamespot.com]
Zelda on the DS [gamespot.com]
Re:Links are wrong (Score:3, Funny)
Link backwards? Wrong? A bit harsh I think. Sure, the little green hat is dated, but... oh, wait
I loved my Genesis (Score:3, Interesting)
Everyone knows a major factor on if game systems fail or prosper is the number of good titles they have. Sony and MS are pushing developers to make new crazy things for their new crazy system. Nintendo chooses to 'think differently' and use older - already proven good - game content for their new system - in addition to the titles that will be new to the Revolution.
Although something about Sonic the Hedgehog being played on a Nintendo system that doesn't sit right with me.
Re:I loved my Genesis (Score:2)
Re:I loved my Genesis (Score:2)
Never thought I'd see the day (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Never thought I'd see the day (Score:5, Interesting)
Genesis and SNES games on the same machine? Legally? /me prepares for the apocalypse. (Yeah, yeah, I know Sega and Nintendo have been on good terms for a few years now, what with Sonic Advance and Monkey Balls, but still, this is 16-bit stuff we are talking about. They were after each other with a vengence back then.)
On the plus side, I wouldn't mind them porting Knights or whatever that game was called.
Re:Never thought I'd see the day (Score:5, Informative)
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The price is right (Score:5, Interesting)
As long as the downloadable games are cheap and the console does release as the lowest priced console this year.
Such good news.
Nerdgasm! (Score:5, Insightful)
With all that Nintendo is bringing out this year, such as Metroid Prime: Hunters, The New Super Mario Bros, (supposedly) new Pokemon games, and now Phantom Hourglass, it makes me weep softly at my lack of funds. At least I have even more reason to wait until DS Lite hits the shores. Between all that, Twilight Princess, and the Revolution, Nintendo is most likely going to get all of my free income this year, and rightly so.
The announcement that Genesis games will be on the Revolution is completely awesome; even though Sega has put out the classic Sonic games 18 times over, it will still be fun to play them on the Rev. Plus, you have games like Echo the Dolphin, Road Rash, and more. Even better, this could pave the way for 32X, Sega CD, and Sega Saturn games. I doubt we'd ever see Dreamcast games; while the Revolution will certainly be more powerful than the Dreamcast, would it be able to emulate the Dreamcast?
So, while these might be more minor announcements in the face of other things coming from Nintendo, but it's Good News none the less.
Although, we still don't have a specific state side release date for the DS Lite, do we? Dammit.
Re:Nerdgasm! (Score:2, Insightful)
PSONE on Revolution (Score:2)
Re:Nerdgasm! (Score:3, Insightful)
Benefits of 'Virtual Console' (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Benefits of 'Virtual Console' (Score:2)
Re:Benefits of 'Virtual Console' (Score:5, Interesting)
Yes, thank goodness those of us who hate 3D are going to get what we want! I was so excited to hear that a new 2D mario game is in the works. I find 3D games confusing to navigate, annoying to use weapons in, and in some cases downright nauseating to watch. I realize the companies want to show off what they can do with 3D, but it is entirely possible to make a 2D game with beautiful graphics.
And that's why 2006 was amazing... (Score:4, Interesting)
Back to basics...
"Good Night & Good Luck" anyone? Not just because it's black & white, but the movie really feels like a classic that could have been made 50 years ago... simple, elegant, with a lot of depth. Would have been picture of the year in 1959... don't know why it wasn't in 2006, but at least it got its dues.
Same could be said of "Capote".
But neither of these films ARE old films, they're not rehashing old techniques simply to making them feel classic, but use them in order to break new ground in ways that most modern films are not. I think the entertainment industry, as a whole, is beginning to feel the effects of over-complication in aesthetics. There seems to be a revolution afoot in the mainstream of exploring new territory with older, less technical, but more meaningful methods.
This really is an exciting time, and possibly the beginning of the film genre's first neo-classical era, in the history of its existance. Every art/entertainment medium has a neo-classical era (or two, or three) somewhere in its lifetime after it has reached a certain point of maturity. A "back to basics" movement that explores more regimented, and traditional approaches to production. For visual arts, the 17th century looked back to greek and roman procedures for a more mathmatically "precise" approach. Music saw its neo-classical rennaisance in the first few decades of the 20th century, with a return to the more formula-based approaches of the 18th century. Both these genres have seen many similar, smaller movements, though these are two very noticable eras. Film is now at its hundreth birthday, but we may very well be seeing it's "first" neo-classical era.
2 questions here (Score:2)
and 2.Why dont we see more companies making their back catalogs available
Re:2 questions here (Score:3, Informative)
Re:2 questions here (Score:2)
All old Zeldas made available for the GameCube are emulated. Metroid 1 in Metroid Prime is emulated as well. All NES games in Animal Crossing are emulated (both when played on the GameCube or loaded onto the GBA). The Classic NES Series of GBA games are emulated as well.
There are actually some homebrew projects out there that will take the NES & N6
Re:2 questions here (Score:2)
Re:2 questions here (Score:3)
I haven't seen dumps, but I've heard reports comparing the emulator found on the compilation disc with the emulator on the Ocarina of Time disc. The compilation disc one supposedly gets better framerates than the older one.
As for the compilation disc, why would Nintendo choose to port the games considering it's well establ
Re:2 questions here (Score:2)
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Re:2 questions here (Score:3, Informative)
Lets see....
1. Atari no longer makes Atari consoles. But you can buy those little Atari like things in any store. I almost bought one just for Yars Revenge
2. The Connecticut Leather Company no longer sells colecos.
3. Sega no longer makes Sega consoles. Although the genisis could play SMS games with an adapter.
4. Hudson no longer sells TurboGraphix consoles.
5. Neo-Geo is no longer sold and no one could afford to buy them whe
I can see it now.. (Score:2)
ROM sites (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:ROM sites (Score:3, Interesting)
As long as "unsigned" ROMs aren't playable on their systems, I doubt they would really care... well, any more than they already have.
I'm guessing it will take about a year before some asshat figures out how to "hack" the Revolution to allow standard ROMs to work; then the crackdown may happen.
Till then, they are trying to quash the "modded
Re:ROM sites (Score:2)
Whether they play on then new systems is irrelevant. If you can play them on your PC, they will assume that they are losing possible sales.
Re:ROM sites (Score:2)
But I hope they realize that the emulation community, rom sites and all, are not their enemy. If anything, it helps them by increasing interest in these old games. I think that most people who are really excited about the classic games offered by Nintendo are already well acquainted with these games via emulation, but they'll
Revolution To DS (Lite)? (Score:3, Interesting)
Feasable... (Score:3, Interesting)
Retrogaming is cool (Score:3, Informative)
Classics like Sonic the Hedgehog my son likes to play on my Sega Genesis system, and Rogue Squardon and Diddy Kong Racing on the Nintendo 64.
I hope that one can buy teach classic console game and save it on a hard drive to play while the system is offline, and this is not just an online only feature. I would hope that it is affordable as well, like 99 cents a game or something, or a low monthly fee for unlimited downloads or something.
Shot Selves In Foot A Little (Score:2)
Re:Shot Selves In Foot A Little (Score:2, Insightful)
And if the NES Classic series is any indication, the virtual console will probably turn Nintendo a profit on the Revoluti
Re:Shot Selves In Foot A Little (Score:4, Insightful)
Apart from this, I must say the Revolution plan is brillian:
1. Make a controller that inspires radical game design for a wider audience
2. Make avilable for that audience games whichh they have fuzzy feelings for from childhood.
3. Tell the same crowd (now parents) the console is safe for kids
Of course they won't "win the console wars", but they will win a market previously sceptical and hard for Sony and Microsoft to gain grounds in. Nintendo were allways a smart company, they actually make money!
whoa! (Score:4, Insightful)
nintendo is pulling a whole lot of good shit out of their asses lately!
compared to the PS3 keynote...well there was just no contest!
Sony: "Uhh yeah the tech specs are awesome, 1080p, PSP is sweet, and there's another God of War game. Yeah. Buy Blu-Ray because it's the best LOL"
Nintendo: "Revolution is now SEVEN FUCKING CONSOLES IN ONE"
Re:whoa! (Score:5, Insightful)
haha screw that!
Oh... my god... (Score:4, Funny)
Excuse me for a second... got something in my eye here... *sniff*
Re:Oh... my god... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Oh... my god... (Score:2)
Sega did the approaching (Score:2)
That's called business, and it is also called "making money", "turning a profit", or "staying in the black". You can't complain about that.
Actually, prior history suggests that Sega approached them:
* Sonic Mega Collection [wikipedia.org]
* Sonic Mega Collecti [wikipedia.org]
Nearly Complete Transcript (Score:5, Informative)
The numbers in the video are.... (Score:2)
buttons? (Score:3, Insightful)
Seems like it would be an issue for SNES, N64 and GameCube games as well.
Re:buttons? (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's not get TOO excited here (Score:3, Interesting)
Oh and what about all those Rare games? Now that Rare is owned by Microsoft, does Nintendo actually owns the rights to Nintendo/Rare franchises like Donkey Kong Country, Killer Instinct, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, etc? Okay DKC is very likely, but Perfect Dark isn't, considering the latest title was on the XBox 360...
Anyway, this sounds like a complete legal minefield.
Re:Regardless of Budget? (Score:3, Insightful)
Budget is only somewhat related, in that you have to be able to pay people with good imaginations.
Budget is more involved with the cost of graphic designers, codes, etc. None of that is necessarily needed to implement an innovative idea.
Lockout chip business model (Score:2)
All innovation takes is a new idea, fostered by a good imagination.
And the budget to convince the console maker to sign your code.
Re:Regardless of Budget? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hopefully, N will allow indie developers to distribute directly through the online system, thus lowering the barriers for publishing a game.
Cheaper than Microsofts? No... (Score:2)
But at the Game Developers Conference here on Tuesday, the rumor is that Microsoft plans on announcing Wednesday a developers kit that would make it possible for anyone to build games for the console, or for PCs, and that the kit will cost only about $100.
Re:Cheaper than Microsofts? No... (Score:4, Insightful)
the rumor is that Microsoft plans on announcing Wednesday a developers kit
Wednesday was yesterday. Unless you can find a news report about this actually having happened on wednesday, your rumor was wrong.
At any rate of course DirectX and XNA games will continue to be available to develop dirt cheap-- they're PC games!! You can develop them for free!! But just because the XBox 360 basically runs PC games does not make a PC development environment equal to an XBox 360 or Revolution development kit.
Re:Regardless of Budget? (Score:2)
Not sure how they'd handle making/testing binaries. Maybe you'd have a secure PC -> X360 connection dongle for testing purposes, and have to contact MS when your game is ready for publishing on Xbox Live (or pressed to discs, for really big games.)
Re:Regardless of Budget? (Score:3, Interesting)
To put it in persepective, Sony just lowered the cost of their PSP dev kit to $5k.
Re:Regardless of Budget? (Score:4, Interesting)
Does that sound like homebrew to anyone else?
Re:Regardless of Budget? (Score:2)
Had MS allowed homebrew on their consoles the likelyhood that the console would be comprimised would have been much lower. Ditto for the new console. It is possible to play any game "backed up" to a DVDr on the 360 now (given that you know how to write machine code for the DVD drive).
-nB
Erm... (Score:2, Insightful)
Not only would making SDKs publicly available increase the amount of information about the system (and thus, increase the chances of someone "cracking" it), very, very, very few of their marketshare plays homebrew games. Just think about their XBox live service; I doubt homebrew would mesh well there - too much room for exploitation.
Of everyone I k
Re:Erm... (Score:2)
I mostly use it to play movies through XBMC.
I put all my kids movies on the network and thus any room they are in their movies are available. Aside from being conveinent, it tends to keep those rather overpriced disney DVDs safe.
Oh, I also play my MP3s through it.
-nB
Re:Revolution? (Score:2)
I can't believe they are making another Ratchet and Clank. Or that damned Project Gotham Racing. I know no one is looking forward to Halo 3 or the 6th Jak and/or Daxter game.
Wait... I think I messed up there.
Re:Revolution? (Score:3, Insightful)
Thinking about Mario 64. Pretty much considered a ground-breaking game in terms of 3D on a console. Yet, according to the way you put it, it is just another Mario game.
They can use Mario or any of the others as much as they want as long as they keep making the games fun.
Plus, as a side note, there has been talk of a new franchise being launched with the Rev.
Re:Revolution? (Score:2)
You are obviously not paying attention.
Re:Revolution? (Score:5, Insightful)
Besides, the games are fun. That's all there really is to it. It's a somewhat familiar feel with the characters, but almost always with completely new gameplay (not just new levels, new things that happen, new stories, new interactions with the environment, all kinds of innovative things). Say what you want about the characters, but there's a REASON people tout Nintendo as being innovative. It's because they are.
Re:Hudson (Score:2)
Re:Hudson (Score:2)
Re:Zelda DS (Score:5, Insightful)
Wind Waker's art was awesome and inspired. I can't say the same about Twilight Princess unfortunately.
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It's pretty much a combination of both styles (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:question (Score:2)
But they won't, unless I'm badly mistaken.
It will be up to the publishers of these old games to decide whether or not they want the game to be played on the Revolution's Virtual Console. Nintendo can't just start selling old SNES Konami or EA games just because they feel like it, they'll need each other's permission.
If a publisher does decide to sell one of its older titles for the Revolution's Virtual
Re:Sweet, but what about the controllers? (Score:3, Informative)
As for supporting only 2 controllers... it's been pretty well established (I mean I'm not even reall