Yahoo! Tunes into Blogging and Social Networking 122
aarthi_r writes "The social networking wars have finally begun, with Yahoo! coming out with it's very own Yahoo! 360, which combines blogging, social networking, music, mobile connectivity, local searches (for restaurants and businesses) as well as photo-sharing. With stiff competition from the early starters like Orkut it will be interesting to see if Yahoo! will succeed." If you want to log in, don't hold your breath- they aren't opening until the end of the month.
2005: Yahoo's Year (Score:5, Interesting)
This is why Yahoo is going to have one helluva year this year. They're taking all the good ideas Google ever had and generating their own implementations of them. That's not to say the reverse hasn't happened, or that Yahoo has no original ideas. Yahoo, before the end of summer or perhaps earlier, will match Google toe to toe on all of the following:
Web Developer Kit; APIs to query Yahoo directly
AdSense-like program through Overture, which now bears the Yahoo name
Social network and blogging service as per today's article
Fully independent, spider-based search system
To name a few. Plus, I'm finding Yahoo's spider to be much more responsive to changes than Google, and Yahoo's search results seem timelier lately. MSN is even starting to take some of my attention from Google. It would have been unfathomable for me 1 year ago to say this, but I think Yahoo may tear Google a new one this year, unless Google makes some changes, fast.
Re:2005: Yahoo's Year (Score:2)
The update interval is definitely becoming a serious issue with Google. Their images.google.com is admittedly near-useless for getting an image that's newer than 6 to 9 months. Their search is lagging so far behind other search engines that their results are really starting to suffer.
Hopefully it's just growing pains and they will be able to work out the kinks.
Google's responding... (Score:4, Interesting)
Yay competition!
Re:Google's responding... (Score:2)
No kidding, meanwhile the user is rubbing his hands and grinning.
What Yahoo Needs to differentiate itself- FotoFlix (Score:2)
The only thing they need is to acquire FotoFlix [fotoflix.com] and offer a unique photo/audio feature.
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Seriously though, can't tell if you're joking; in case you're not, Dylan is Zimmerman's stage name.
While we're on the subject, I recommend Chronicles Vol. I. Good read.
Re:2005: Yahoo's Year (Score:1)
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Blogs (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Blogs (Score:2)
Re:Blogs (Score:2)
Typo/Doesn't seem so special (Score:3, Insightful)
Yahoo!s privacy policy [yahoo.com] "Yahoo! takes", "Yahoo! treats", "Yahoo! products and services"...
Their currency converter [yahoo.com] "Neither Yahoo! nor"
Geocities main page [yahoo.com] "Yahoo! member sign-in"
But as for the actual story
But let's face it, most people don't think that way. Most people will see their other friends' blogs, say "I want one", and click that handy signup button right at the page they're on. And they know it's good, because their friend is using it. IMO, Yahoo! should've bought off another social networking company and taken advantage of an instant userbase.
One more point: At the bottom of the article (you DID read it, didn't you?) it says that it's going to (initially) be invite-based, a la google. Well, IMHO this is a crappy idea. It worked for google because when they have something, it's (usually) fresh, new, and innovated. Plus, they always have the bonus of a fanclub. Yahoo!, on the other hand, does not enjoy such benefits. It doesn't seem any better than what I can get right now without begging for an invite.
Re:Typo/Doesn't seem so special (Score:2)
You're right. Who would switch away from Netscape to that new fangled IE?
Oh wait...
Funny thing is, I thought the same thing when Google first came out. What was wrong with Yahoo and Webcrawler. Well, we know how that turned out.
Re:Typo/Doesn't seem so special (Score:3, Interesting)
Yahoo! is a company based more around keeping users on the site, and Google, quite the opposite. Yahoo! has launch to tie in to Geocities to tie into their new AdSense-like program, so they can now build a system like Orkut, and have it be wildly successful.
Plus, I think they already have a wildly established user group; those people who are currently not using LiveJournal or some other alternative, and who are editing static geocities
Re:Typo/Doesn't seem so special (Score:1)
Duh (Score:4, Insightful)
They want to overcome 'stiff competition' from Orkut? I have a simple solution... Allow people to join the site. This seems pretty obvious, but Orkut apparently hasnt figured it out yet. I am about 10 degrees of seperation from anyone who has ever even heard of Orkut, so they will never get my 'business'.
Re:Duh (Score:5, Interesting)
Moderation is the only thing that has prevented Slashdot from completely going to hell and unless Orkut implements the same type of moderation system, they will become totally hopeless.
Re:Duh (Score:1, Insightful)
You'd think that they'd learn a lesson from Hotmail and drop MS from the infrastructure altogether.
Eh? (Score:2)
Moderation is the only thing that has prevented Slashdot from completely going to hell
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Sorry, but I had to re-read that several times to be sure I wasn't mis-reading it. Now I'll just walk away, shaking my head and muttering.
Re:Duh (Score:4, Informative)
I first tried Orkut when it was the "new hotness"(tm) and it was all good and fun. However, for some reason the novelty wore off rather quickly.
I think it had to do with their by-invitation-only policy. Just like GMail (which I love and still use on a daily basis, by the way), people wanted to use it really bad not because of its' features or out of curiosity but primarily because they couldn't. I guess, in a way, it's akin to a little child who wants something just for the sake of having it. After you have it, you use it for a while and move on to the next new thing.
And I have to admit I haven't logged into my Orkut account for about half a year (and that was only to see for myself what all those "Brazilians take over Orkut" blogs were about). It will be interesting to see where Google goes with this (afterall, it's still in beta and not very tightly integrated into Google's other services, if I'm not mistaken).
Re:Duh (Score:2)
Re:Duh (Score:2)
Since Real Life does not seem to have enough people in it to interest most bloggers, it seems unlikely that Yahoo will find enough to "win".
TWW
Re:Duh (Score:5, Informative)
Orkut is a very poor Friendster clone that has had server problems from day one. The only reason why it gets any press is because of the small-print "association with Google."
Re:Duh (Score:2)
In orkut I only have friends from South america (Brizalians keep adding me)
"You are connected to 4,513,561 people through 11 friends."
I think 4.5 million people that I am connected to through only 11 people would disagree with you that orkut is dead.
This is comparable to friendster.com where I have 22 friends, but connected to only 40739 people.
The biggest problem with orkut now is that
Re:Duh (Score:1)
As a US internet user, I sort of expect Google's sites to work well in my country. To Americans, Orkut is dead and its US users (all X million of them) don't log in any more.
Re:Duh (Score:1)
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Orkut can't make an open-registration policy (Score:3, Informative)
The biggest problem is they can't handle the traffic. If Brazil is awake, you can forget about logging in. The server issues have resulted in many people giving up on it, it was fun at first but many of the good commnities I was in went dead, not a post since the server problems kicked off.
I wonder what they are doing (if anything)
pfft (Score:1, Funny)
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Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:5, Insightful)
Trying to artificially develop a network of people whose only interest is that they're members of the same network... I don't know, it just seems silly.
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
There's a few people I've kinda got to know through moderations, and I've had a few "Wow, you really like Yasunori Mitsuda!" type messages.
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
Me Too! (Score:5, Interesting)
It's of no interest to me to know that RandomBob is two degrees of separation away from me, unless I can then get some idea of who RandomBob is - and being able to go and read his journal and see what kind of person he is.
I've made a few friends in a variety of places, learnt all sorts of things and keep in touch with old friends - it's basically replaced email as the main communication method that my circle of friends uses.
Re:Me Too! (Score:2)
LiveJournal came out, and our list traffic just plummeted. And other than their blogs, I don't really read any other ones. LJ lets you basically be very efficient at keeping up to date w/your friends.
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:1)
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
You are missing the point. It isn't just because they are on the same network. You have to communicate with other people to make it happen. You can't just expect passively joining is going to get the job done for you. Within these networks are shared interest groups, and the means for you to share ideas. That's the whole point. I've made lots of friends who I see locally IRL, and reconnecte
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
Well, yes, now what does that have to do with things like Orkut or Friendster? I am a part of many communities online, and I'm sure you are too... including communities that you may not consciously think about as communities.
Sites like Orkut and Friendster didn't create this phenomenon. I suppose for some people they facilitate communication, maybe that's why they seem important to you. For others, for people who are already part of online commu
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
Again, from your original comment: network of people whose only interest is that they're members of the same network
This statement is fallacious- few people develop sub-communities within these social network sites just because "they're members of the same network" unless they are discussing how to improve/share ideas/bug reports about the network generally. They create discussion groups every bit as valid as that cherished ma
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
Well, yes, that's my point.
The purpose of social networking sites is to try and artificially promote the crystallization of communities. It's the people who form the networks, not the "social networking" software. If the software supports what you're interested in doing *with* that network, it's much more likely to be useful than if it's just designed to try and promote the networking it
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:1)
The more you know influential people, the more the whole idea just becomes horrifying. Let's suppose I'm a personal friend of Larry Wall. The LAST thing I want is for some random person to look at my network and use my name as an excuse for contacting Larry ("hey, I'm a friend of em's, and
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
For some reason I keep getting invites to join the "Virus Writing Community" on Orkut. Uh, yeh, right...
Re:Social Networking needs to have a reason... (Score:2)
Like Yahoo Groups, perhaps?
I've been involved in some Yahoo Groups boards, and they don't seem any worse than any other online bulletin board system. There's a lot of people who really like them... who get kinda obsessive about them, to be frank, and start pushing them at people who are quite happy using Usenet or ordinary mailing lists.
The new Google Groups 2
no interest (Score:5, Interesting)
Orkut ? (Score:1, Informative)
And IIRC, it was rendered unusable by Brazilians, no ?
Re:Orkut ? (Score:1)
Done (Score:2, Interesting)
It basically turns any song into a chat room. You then can see who has similar songs and tastes (just like friendster)
In fact, last night I stayed up all night to add Movies [clinko.com] Last night.
That's just like Audioscrobbler (Score:1)
Re:That's just like Audioscrobbler (Score:1)
What should we call the duopoly? (Score:5, Funny)
I prefer Yahoogle, but Goohoo isn't bad either.
Re:What should we call the duopoly? (Score:3, Funny)
Nah!
Goohole!
How does that sound? Bad, I suppose.
Social Networking? Meh. (Score:3, Funny)
I tell ya I get no respect. (Score:3, Funny)
Reminds me of my wife.
But will it work outside IE? (Score:5, Interesting)
Not that I miss it much.
Re:But will it work outside IE? (Score:2)
*Some of the features do not work properly on Opera though the site is accessible.
Myspace. (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyone Seen Imeem.com (Score:5, Interesting)
It's an application that's still in Beta - basicallly takes all the communications stuff we use - IM, mail, blogs, groups, forums, galleries file sharing etc etc and rolls it into one all in one application. Remember that
It should score huge Kudos points here because the developers say that they wrote te whole thing in C# and they're running the servers on Mono.
Re:Anyone Seen Imeem.com (Score:1, Interesting)
according to netcraft [netcraft.com] they are running on Windows Server 2003/Microsoft-IIS/6.0 and they always have
if they have to lie about something so pathetic as their server OS choice what else are they lying about ?
Re:Anyone Seen Imeem.com (Score:5, Interesting)
But! the original is also right the servers that run the actual service - the 'supernodes' - they're running mono on top of linux and I am extremely impressed by how well mono handles it all.
Re:Anyone Seen Imeem.com (Score:1)
yahoo... (Score:1, Troll)
Yahoo: ME TOO!!!!!111
The social network will be open (Score:4, Interesting)
This semantic web is the result of integrating lightweight, distributed metadata "miniformats" like the del.icio.us tagged bookmarks, the blog trackbaks, and other task-specific metadata like FOAF. Since nobody can control an open standard and users can easily flee from a centralized server and adopt rival ones, market forces will guarantee that not a single provider will hold all users' data.
Re:The social network will be open (Score:3, Funny)
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Bullshit Propaganda (Score:1)
user@yahoo.com -> snailmail gateway
user@yahoo.com -> Fax gateway
user@yahoo.com -> SMS gateway
user@yahoo.com -> beeper gateway (myairmail.com)
DistributionLists:
user@yahoo.com -> Photo gateway via snailmail
Yahoo! could be a real dashboard but for the blinding adcentricity of their developers and UIdesigners.
BBS's? (Score:2, Insightful)
sounds like the WorldBBS of yesteryear.
so many social network sites (Score:3, Insightful)
http://www.friendster.com
http://www.orkut.com
http://www.emode.com
http://www.expats.com
htt
http://www.simpatico.com
http:
http://www.catholiccon
http://www.netrelate.com/
http://www.bu
http://web.tickle.com/
http://
http://www.linkedin.com
maybe the next thing someone will come up with is a meta-social-network, so you can have one network of all your other networks!
Re:so many social network sites (Score:1)
sounds interesting if you ask me. if you start getting the servers hosting these social networks to talk to themselves for example sharing database information throw a little google on there and you can start creating links with people based on news or events that you find mutually interesting. all the chatter related to an
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Re:so many social network sites (Score:2)
And no, I don't count Slashdot's friends/foes bit as a "social network site".
Implementation (Score:2, Interesting)
I think for this to take off, Yahoo! will need to start developing for a wider base of operating systems and software.
Disclaimer - I am a long time UNIX, Macintosh, and Linux user
Re:Implementation (Score:2)
Re:Implementation (Score:1)
My web hosting includes a Jabber server. While looking around I found Fire [sourceforge.net] for Mac OS X. Most of my buddies are on Yahoo!, AOL, and ICQ so it meets my needs. Running under Linux is not an issue right now as I have a shell account and use a Mac as my main working machine -- use Photoshop fairly heavily to prepare graphics for web sites.
Thanks for the tip about Gaim, I will give it a try. Looks like it connects to more services than Fire.
To return to the thread though, it is really frustrating to be a memb
Silence (Score:2)
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So is this like LiveJournal? (Score:1)
Early starter? (Score:2)
Orkut has been around for about 16-24 months. There have been many more socail networking sites that were around much longer before them, like friendster.com, which has been around for a few years now. There biggest competitor will be myspace.com which has millions of users, mainly located in the us/canada regions, where orkut seems to be used mainly by people out of north america.
Re:Early starter? (Score:2)
Re:Early starter? (Score:2)
Logging in too often (Score:2, Interesting)
I work on a bunch of computers at work and at home and Yahoo won't let me stay logged in for more than a few days. Multiply that annoyance by about six computers and it seems that I'm constantly having to enter my password.
Yahoo has decided to make things somewhat safer for those who use public internet terminals but at the expense of most of us who have exclusive use of
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360 (Score:2, Funny)
Excellent marketing (Score:2)
Just one question: Can't Yahoo! pay for their advertising like everyone else?
Whats the f...point (Score:1)
Blogger Survey (Score:1)
Re:Blogger Survey (Score:1)
images of this new service (Score:1)
http://v2.decipherinc.com/survey/yahoo/yah04023/my page_03.gif [decipherinc.com]
i got asked to do the survey about this (link now dead) and i guess i must have been putting the right answers because they gave me access to a beta site so i could do more questionaires on it.
i looked for about 3 seconds, its just like another blog site to me.
Yahoo behind the times again (Score:1)
http://www.threedegrees.com/
so... (Score:1)
Blogging & Social network still in trial mode (Score:1)
orkut and brazil (Score:1)
Google (Score:2, Interesting)
When someeone searches for a song it can have a little light blue box appear on top of the results that says "would you like to buy this song?"