UK to Privatize Radio Spectrum? 284
judgecorp writes "The UK regulator, Ofcom, has decided that managing spectrum is a drag, and there are other people around that might do a better job. It is going to open up 73 percent of the radio spectrum to market forces, and make it technology-neutral and tradeable. So if one technology gets superseded, another one can get rolled out instead (subject to broadcast power limits) without Ofcom having to define what spectrum it should use. Radio was first regulated here 100 years ago this year, and a new regime is needed to fit new radio technology. Ofcom is quite proud to be ahead of the US on this one, because we have a recent Communications Act, and the FCC is 'hamstrung' by old laws - at least that's what the head of research at Ofcom said."
Great idea... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Great idea... (Score:2)
No problem at all.. I commute from Brighton to the City every day. Horrid.
But BT? I would say that was a fairly succesful privatisation non?
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Not from the point of view of the telecom engineers- who quickly lost most of their jobs to India.
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The actual problem here is poor management, with possible embezzelment. Which is something which can happen with either public or private ownership.
Possibly the worst situation would be privatisation whi
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Help me out here. I'm not British, so I don't know how this works, but what incentives (I assume financial) are there to encourage the BBC to chase ratings? Is their income varied based on ratings? Who does the audit?
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I think there is also an independant guidance commitee who can tell them off.
However I presume the main incentive for them is the drive to do a good job and produce quality output ( in this light a lot of their output is puzzling mind you ! ).
Re:Great idea... (Score:3, Insightful)
If the BBC's ratings fall away, it becomes harder and harder to justify the license fee we pay them. Every few years, the government renews the charter that, amongst other things, gives the BBC authority to collect fees. If the BBC was unpopular, the government wouldn't find it hard to alter the charter at the next renewal. One major incentive is their continued existance!
Of course, they can't go too far. One of the o
Re:Great idea... (Score:2)
I can't stand all these free market fans "it is proven that it works better and will give the most efficient solution". BS. Nothing is proven, except maybe in some chosen economic theory with some chosen premises.
The free market is a damn, often a damn good *tool*, but not more than that.
Of course, to have a government that provides good services, it needs oversight by the citizens but that's, well, the purpose of a democracy/republic...
Then there is reverse influence of corporations on the go
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Except, you know, for that whole "war in Iraq" thing which the same statists protest endlessly... But just because the state can't plan for war and peace, that doesn't mean the state could screw up planning an economy!
*rolls eyes*
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You're confusing "state-owned" and "monopolistic".
France Telecom is still a state owned company, yet broadband is more developed in France than in the UK. [bbc.co.uk]
Note that here we're talking about broadband in general, including cable, on which telcos have no influence. If we only talk about DSL, France simply dwarfs the UK in absolute numbers, percentage and growth, as can be seen on this graph. [ovum.com] (France and the UK both have
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stagnate (Score:4, Interesting)
and when the technology grows old and die
what corporate shareholder would sever the last limb propping up a technology?
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Newsflash: most governments, but especially the US' and the UK's these days, are corrupt and owned by the very corporations they should be controlling and regulating. Didn't you ever ask yourself why the railways are still privatised after all these years when any moron can see it's a certified disaster? Well, that's why...
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Once their franchise was lost, the Government took over running of the South East railways setting up South Eastern Trains. The service is pretty good, there's a new fleet of trains on the way, the stati
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There are definitely operating costs, which will leverage the bargaining, and if the operating costs are zero, they forfeit the spectrum.
Natural Resource Tax (Score:5, Insightful)
Hoarding & speculation (Score:2, Interesting)
There are two reasons that I can think of that someone would buy up a natural resource (like land or spectrum) and not use it to its full potential (as opposed to merely "not actually using it"). Both are mentioned i
potential money is everywhere (Score:3, Insightful)
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It isn't the reasonable men who seek profit, only an idiot would seek to control more than he and his family can reasonably consume in a lifetime.
So, people who run businesses--which if they're successful, often involve the control of resources whose value collectively is more than a family can reasonably consume in a lifetime--are idiots? I wouldn't want to be a consumer or someone looking for a job in the author's ideal world.
Re:potential money is everywhere (Score:2)
Yep- because they are sacrificing what is really important for something that isn't important at all. I've known far too many people who put their lives into successfull businesses- to the detriment of their families and friends, and eventually, to thier own destruction when they can no longer manage the growth o
Ham radio (Score:3, Insightful)
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11/9 and ham radio (Score:2)
I am quite certain that the government will forgo making some money auctioning off radio spectrum to help a small and politically insignificant group.
Politically insignificant my ass (or arse if you prefer). At least in the United States, the emergency cleanup efforts after the 11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center relied on the U.S. amateur radio network, and British hams could use the threat of further terrorism on British soil as a bargaining chip to keep their access to spectrum.
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Oh no, not more privatisations :-( (Score:5, Funny)
At least seven ham radio operators have died, and over 70 CB operators injured during a routine QSO on 10m between London and Kings Lynn. It is reported that one of the side band of the AM transmission derailled off the airwave and careened into the 11m band, injuring many CB operators. The hams QSOing on 10m were found dead, but one of them managed to write "WHERE IS THIS COUNTRY GOING TO? ARRRRGGHHH I DIE...." with his own blood on his contact map.
About time (Score:3, Insightful)
If the group that wants censorship has more votes than the group that doesn't want censorship, then there'll be censorship.
When a private entity owns something, decisions are made based on the ideals of the private entity. If you don't like the decisions made about the resource, you can buy your own.
It works for land. It'll work for the airwaves. Nice job UK.
Re:About time (Score:5, Insightful)
You HAVE to be joking...
Public ownership of the airwave exists because, in reality, no-one can own it in the first place. In fact, it's not owned at all, just regulated (i.e. Big Brother slaps you on the fingers if you annoy your radio neighbours).
It's just like air and oceans, you know. You can't really own it, just manage it, because it's everybody's and nobody's at the same time.
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Uh, no it didn't. Leninism required the State to OWN everything, not merely manage it- it amazes me how few capitalists undertsand tribalism and communalism isn't necessarily communism.
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Air is a scarce resource, like water. But more importantly, it's a shared resources. Private ownership of shared resources leads to inequalities, unfairness and mismanagement that hurts everybody else.
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They didn't need either to support a population of 10 million humans on this continent. But then again, what would I expect a European to understand that?
False on it's face.
Really? Which part don't you think exists, the hoarding or the homeless people? Both exist- the more money an individual has, the more land they own, just like homeless people exist.
It's just like a Marxist to deny reality.
Ah, anoth
Re:About time (Score:2)
I don't care what you expect, but the idea that 10 million people living in N America is some kind of victory for a culture is silly.
The wheel and writing weren't needed to support those 10 million. They were needed to support millions that didn't make it, the millions that died in a primative, underdeveloped culture.
The wheel helps grow food. Private
Re:About time (Score:2)
Depends on what your priority is- breeding like rabbits or actually living in harmony with nature.
The wheel and writing weren't needed to support those 10 million. They were needed to support millions that didn't make it, the millions that died in a primative, underdeveloped culture.
If the Great Spirit had wanted them to live, he would have let them. You Takers are all
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But what if your opinion is in a tiny minority with no resources so you can't even collectively raise the funds to buy anything? Then how much political influence did you have when the public owned the airwaves? Not much.
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Ah, you subscribe to the idiot Adam Smith, who thinks that chaos makes things predictable.
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You obviously have never taken a course in econometrics; else, you would learn that your supposedly "chaotic" market system actually *does* have recognizable patterns to it and correlations within it. There is absolutely a "method to the madness." The methods just aren't neatly-outlined and codified in law as they are in communist states.
Instead, in the market, the public -- individually -- decides what is good an
Re:About time (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem with private ownership of the bandwidths will in my opinion be that it hampers innovation by anyone else but those who own the bandwidth. And you will rely on that one vendor for producing anything within the bandwidths they own.
This does not pose a problem in itself though, but my guess is that a few big companies will obtain ownership of an unproportionally large portion of the bandwidth(s) to monopolize certain types of services.
Remember we're not just talking the transistor radio frequencies but the entire non-military range of frequencies.
soon in the news: Berlusconi's Italy follows ofcom example and
Re:About time (Score:4, Insightful)
Not bloody likely given the billions (with a 'B') probably needed to control a block of spectrum at a high power output(see sales of wireless spectrum that occurred in U.S. earlier this year).
I doubt they will let Joe Blow buy a particular range of spectrum for low-power use in the few miles surrounding his abode. Low power spectrum, as established recently in the U.S. is having problems due to bleed over from nearby stations - endangering business models for the small guys.
Privatization is no panacea.
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It works for land.
To an extent. As such, I see no wrong with private ownership, private entities can probably manage their land more efficiently than the government. However, there is certainly the moral case to be made that as land, or natural resources (land, minerals, spectrum, etc.) more generally, was here long before man, no single man has the right to said resource. Thus the government can fairly tax these resources heavily, up to the rental value of the resource (and in the process reduce other,
Re:About time (Score:3, Insightful)
Private corporations are no less political than governments. Indeed it may be a worst situation, since the political positions of corporations may be rather less obvious than those of political parties...
If the group that wants censorship has more votes than the group that doesn't want censorship, then there'll be censorship.
It woul
British Telecom Lawsuit (Score:3, Funny)
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Are public frequencies preserved? (Score:2)
This would be great news as the guy next door is cutting down on my range and THE GOIT MUST BE STOPPED! I MUST BE ABLE TO SURF THE WEB FOR FREE AT THE PUB! THE WORLD WILL BE MINE! *foam frothes from mouth*
Over here (Score:4, Insightful)
But seriously - how do you create a fair competitive market environment for all while treading the line between fascist govt control and private industry monopolization. As much as our politico's thump the podium about 'free markets' they simply allow single entities to get away with abuse of an advantage to corner entire winner-take-all markets that's anything but free.
Re:Over here (Score:4, Informative)
Clearchannel *has* replaced the FCC! (Score:2)
Well it already has replaced the FCC, or at least its lackeys have, bought and paid for by Clearchannel.
Re:Over here (Score:2)
Set a fairly low limit on the max power allowed to transmit for any transmitter, plus similar limits on the total coverage of the spectrum that any controlling entity can own. The government's sole role will be to make sure that people don't violate these rules, plus abide by the restrictions of the chunk of spectrum that they have purchase
Thatcher lives! (Score:4, Interesting)
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She was created a life peer in 1992, with the title Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven and continues to represent Conservatism in the House of Lords. Her husband, Denis, became Sir Denis Thatcher, Baronet. Mark Thatcher did inherit the Barony and is fully allowed to sit in the House of Lords, unless he is stripped of it by the Queen - which seems likely over the current scandle regarding a coup attempt i
Re:Thatcher lives! (Score:2)
The undead Thatcher moves again, strinking out
And just how does she "strink"? Is that like "striking" and "slinking" at the same time?
with lines of great opportunities for corruption and hate.
You didn't happen to write the dialogue for Zero Wing, did you?
Re:Thatcher lives! (Score:2)
Actually I think you'll find it was applied all over the country...
Not really "privatization" (Score:2)
Incidentally, the UK is in no way "ahead of the curve" relative to the US FCC in this regard. The FCC has been auctioning off massive amounts of spectrum to the highest bidder for at least the last ten
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Applause (Score:4, Insightful)
By the way, the existing telephone and media companies love the fact that this situation is hampering new innovations. Only time will tell if the UK's decision is a step in the right direction, but at least it's a step.
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I must say, I find this commonly-used excuse, baseless. 802.11 is already using 2 different bands, and the less crowded one, is the less popular one...
The CB bands are wide open, and still unused by any wireless networking technology I've seen, even though it would easily give people the long-range connections they want.
Like a third world dictator... (Score:3, Interesting)
So goodbye... (Score:3, Interesting)
Ham radio
Community radio stations
BBC local stations
Ad-free radio
BBC national stations
Leaving -
ClearChannel
Pirate radio
I can't wait
Re:So goodbye... (Score:2)
Within a few years, ClearChannel will be gone! What a glorious day that will be.
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And in related news... (Score:4, Funny)
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Frankly, I like that idea immensely. That way I could sue companies that pollute the air that I own.
630nm? (Score:5, Funny)
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Corporate Superiority (Score:3, Funny)
What kind of privatization? (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, it would be rather different if there is an _auction_ of the spectrum. The other issue is how long the licenses last(I favor shorter term licenses)-and what is done with the revenue from the auction. I personally think part of the revenue from the auction of spectrum should be used to reward the inventors that make spectrum more useful-and the rest should help lower the worst taxes.
The last thing we need is another boondoggle to make the rich richer.
another blow to an harmonized EU market (Score:2)
Spectrum should not be owned by anyone ! (Score:2)
Selling it the QVCs' and Clearchannels' of this world will only bring censorship and political propoganda which is going on right now.
We in the U.S. need independence with integrity.
Technical Standards (Score:2)
Market forces are not a cure-all, as the AM Stereo debacle illustrated.
...and Slashdotters gasp in horror! (Score:2)
Yeah, because the FCC has done such a superb job [com.com] (of spectrum-allocation, among other things). Riiiight...
Re:Wouldn't that be 'UK to Privatise Radio Spectru (Score:2, Informative)
"... -ise / -ize
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I was just having a laff. Nothing in the UK would ever be 'privatized'. It would be privatised.