Two New AMD Mobile Chips Launched 170
to_kallon writes "Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) has unleashed two new mobile microprocessors today. One processor belongs to the company's 64-bit Mobile Athlon64 line while the other one comes from the 32-bit Athlon XP-M product line. According to CNET News: 'Like other Athlon 64 chips, and Intel's Prescott, the new Athlon 64 3400+ will block many security threats automatically in conjunction with Windows XP Service Pack 2. The delayed SP2 is slated to come out in August. The Athlon 64 3400+ will also run a 64-bit version of Windows, due now at the end of the year.It runs at 2.2GHz and comes with 1MB of cache. Gamer-PC maker Alienware will insert the chip in a notebook later in the month. Meanwhile, the Athlon XP-M 2200+ comes from the company's older line of chips. It runs at 1.6GHz and is built around an older processor core and comes with a 512KB cache. Averatec, a small computer manufacturer, has put the chip into a notebook that can convert into a tablet PC, marking the first time AMD's chips have been used in a tablet'."
Old Joke (Score:4, Funny)
They're calling it the Duron-Duron.
Re:Old Joke (Score:1)
Da du ron ron ron, da du ron ron
Somebody told me that his name was Bill
Da du ron ron ron, da du ron ron
Yeah, my heart stood still, yeah, his name was Bill
And when he walked me home, da du ron ron ron, da du ron ron
And don't forget Celine Duron
Re:Old Joke (Score:3, Funny)
"unleashed two new mobile microprocessors" (Score:1, Funny)
Cooling (Score:5, Insightful)
In order to keep my gaming computer cool I have something like 7 or 8 fans in there, and the box sounds like a jet-engine taking off... I've looked into water-cooling but virtually every water-cooling setup costs upwards of $200. Is it really *that* expensive for the equipment? What other alternatives are out there?
And with a notebook... isn't heat going to soon be a real serious issue with laptops?
Re:Cooling (Score:1, Funny)
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As you can see in the third page, they're not using that mobo - the one they're REALLY using has a green PCB, whereas the one in the parts list had a brown PCB.
Anyway, a 1000% overclock... It was indirectly alcohol-cooled.
Re:Cooling (Score:3, Informative)
As for laptops, I guess we may have to start looking at liquid nitrogen;)
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
AMD still has a bad reputation for the original Athlon series that tended to space-heat rooms. Great for winter since you can turn off the heater. However, the 64bit chips are a big step in the right direction.
Now if you could only do something about your new, hot, power-hungry Nvidia FX6800.
Heat and AMD (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Cooling (Score:4, Informative)
reduce cable clutter with rounded cables and zip ties/wire mesh.
Re:Cooling (Score:1)
The Athlon 64 runs a lot cooler than the Athlon XP processor. I'm running a Athlon 64 2800+ overclocked to 3200+ and the chip sits at 38 Celsius (100 Fahrenheit) with the stock heat sync. My current computer is cooler than I've had in years and it's quiet!
Re:Cooling (Score:5, Insightful)
I will admit that I don't run the latest and greatest machine (AMD Barton core 2200 and a midrange graphics card), but I slowly started shutting down all those extra case fans and slowed down my CPU fan. I'm now running the cpu fan, the power supply fan, GPU fan, and a motherboard fan that sits on either the southbridge or the northbridge (don't remember). I run this system in an unairconditioned house near the Mediteranean (read:hot and humid) and I've never experienced overheating issues.
Not to say that there aren't systems/users out there that need better cooling than what I have, but I've found that sticking with the basics seems to work pretty well . . . I know a lot of people that drill big holes in their cases, mount gargantu-fans in the case, buy gazillion dollar heat transfer compund, etc. . . but most of the people that I know that do this stuff do it before doing any system characterization.
The fact that its hard to find a handheld device with a remote temperature probe (thermocouple) at a normal computer shop is indicative to me that most of the folks that go overboard on the cooling have not characterized their system before going out and buying the "superduper cooling kit." Does it really make sense to install XXX number of fans in a case before doing any serious temperature monitoring and characterization to identify whether they really need to go to these sorts of extreme measures. (I know, I know, there's usually a couple of thermocouples on the MB . . . but do the third and fourth case fan really have a significant effect on the MB thermocouples, or would it make more sense to also measure temperatures near other heat sensitive components in nooks and crannies of the case that one would expect to have poor ventilation (e.g. a graphics board installed next to another PCI board) . . .for that a probe would be useful to determine which fans where have the most significant effect)
And for that matter what about characterizing the temperature profile after installing the "supercooling solution" to determine whether it made a significant difference.
And for that matter, how much of a difference is really significant anyway?
I almost think that people like to brag about how much cooling their case has whether the system needs it or not "I have 6 cooling fans" . . . "Oh, yeah well I have 7" . . . "oh yeah, well I have a liquid circulating cooling kit on my overclocked system that cost me more than just buying a faster processor would have." . . . do you see the logic here? I don't.
I don't claim to understand it, but I guess its just cool to be cool . . .
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
One is a Compaq Evo W6000, capable of up to two 2.8GHz Xeon chips. There is one fan in the power supply, another on the exhaust side of a fan duct that joins like a "Y". The fan duct also has gaps around the chipset heatsink, so it too gets forced air.
The other is a Compaq SP700, capable of up to two 550MHz Xeon CPUs. There is one 12cm fan on the intake of the power supply, and another 12cm fan that forces air inb
Re:Cooling (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Cooling (Score:2, Informative)
I'd love to see a bunch of low-power rackmount server boxes, down around laptop heat output.
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
Blade servers are already using the Pentium M to cut down on heat output and power consumption (remember, those Xeons have to get power to throw the heat).
The Opteron HE/EE is probably the best choice if you need low power multiprocessing, and it's close between the Oppie and the P-M for low-power uniprocessing (the Pentium M only puts out 24.5W in it's highest power model, the 1.7GHz Banias, and the new
Re:Cooling (Score:1)
Battery life may be suckier than a centrino, but this is a desktop replacement, or a portable desktop for me. It rocks.
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
While perhaps not directly related there must be a strong correlation between energy used and heat dissipat
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There are enough architectural enhancements in later processors that even if you got a Pentium core into the 3-5 GHz range, even a Celeron would probably walk all over it. It'd be like cranking a 6502 up to 10 GHz...it could be neat for bragging purposes, but it wouldn't give you all of the performance boost you'd expect.
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Have a look at Quiet PC [quietpc.com] - they have a huge range of components and fans specifically aimed at reducing noise. I have just invested in some case fans myself after (not?) hearing them in action in a friends recording studio.
Re:Cooling (Score:2)
The PowerPC 750GX is a -GREAT- CPU, it's got a modernized G3 core and 1MB full-speed on-die L2 cache. You can get one soon on an ATX board from PegasosPPC. They run at about 1GHz, but they are pretty quick. Heat dissipation stands at about 8 watts.
The Motorola 7447a and 7457 are also good CPUs, but they've got memory-starvation issues because they use
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Of course, my Quantum Bigfoot CY probably dwarfs any of the fans in noise - ditto on the seek noise of my Seagate 8.4GB (however, I've NEVER had a problem with a Seagate - I've seen Deathstars, Western Digitals (anyone got a derogatory name for WD?), and a Maxtor (it was Sudden
Uggghhh... (Score:5, Funny)
Prior to this, they were either injected or used in suppository form.
Re:Uggghhh... (Score:3, Funny)
Ouch! The sooner they move to pinless chips the better!
it would be nice to see (Score:3, Interesting)
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http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?p
Emachines has it listed as 2.0 GHz, but several people on forums called Emachines and AMD and confirmed this is the 2.2 GHz 3400+.
Supposedly as well Best Buy already has them, and J&R Electronics as well with a $100 rebate.
Re:it would be nice to see (Score:2)
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The first of IBM, Sony, Fujitsu or Toshiba
fixes for windows BUT (Score:1)
Just wondering, IF linux was more used than windows, would AMD and Intel make those fixes of MS's windows xp even though it's less popular than another O/S?
Re:fixes for windows BUT (Score:2, Informative)
Re:fixes for windows BUT (Score:3, Interesting)
NX is not a 'security fix' it is an added feature, a feature not unlike MMX or SSE. An ability that sits on the chip waiting to be used and is generally only used if it is called (ie software support).
This is nothing new! It amazes me that you think it's so radical to hardware and software supporting the same feature.
BTW: NX
Kudos to Hardware Engineers (Score:1)
Kudos go out to hardware engineers for stepping up and cleaning up the dangerous wake of bad programming practices. I'm not familiar with exactly how these security features would work, but I assume they will be automatic and thus will help clean up problems in older software which carry little hope for patches.
It does bring questions to mind thought.Will software developers get lazy and no longer even attempt to adhere to good programming practices? Will it matter if they do or
Re:Kudos to Hardware Engineers (Score:5, Informative)
But it doesn't prevent the overflow, just the injection. This leaves your program free to (behave poorly|crash).
Re:Kudos to Hardware Engineers (Score:1)
I want my one thing and that is blindly doing whats it told as fast as it can
Explanation please! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Explanation please! (Score:1)
Here's what AMD says about the new security features. Lots of hype on this page but not much info.
"Protects against certain classes of viruses"
Re:Explanation please! (Score:1, Funny)
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Re:Explanation please! (Score:3, Informative)
Helps you with things like buffer overflows that are such a PITA today because of sloppy code.
And intel's reply: (Score:5, Informative)
OT, Your Sig (Score:1)
You n00b!
IMs indeed. lol
LK
Re:And intel's reply: (Score:2)
Prescott NX? Not yet! (Score:2, Informative)
Virus Protection (Score:3, Funny)
Speaking of Averatec... (Score:2, Informative)
Any low noise AMD 64 Notebooks out there? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Any low noise AMD 64 Notebooks out there? (Score:2)
Using mobile chips in a desktop (Score:5, Interesting)
Does anyone know if you can take a mobile A64 and just plop it in a desktop motherboard (for regular A64s) and have it just work? Or does the BIOS have to be aware of the fact that it's a mobile proc? Will the heatsinks designed for the desktop versions work with a mobile version? Does an A64 really require a 400W+ power supply as many sites suggest?
Oops... (Score:2)
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For the PSU, there you'll have also a impressive list of "what can run on a 300W PSU". FYI, my dual Athlon 2600 is between 100 and 170W (not overclocked). So far for the 500+W PSU myth.
Re:Oops... (Score:2, Insightful)
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After about two monthe of fuxoring around with them, having them overheat and shutdown I finally broke down and bought a Pyramid Gold amp for about $300. I am still using this amp today.
Always buy with quality in mind. In the long run you'll save money because 1 good product will last longer than 4 cheap ones.
LK
Re:Oops... (Score:2)
As I said, my dual AMD which consume max 170W from the wall !. I guess an athlon64 won't go over 120W
Note : there are some reasons to buy oversized PSU. But just saying that a 500W PSU is needed for an Athlon64 is pure BS.
* = not overclocked, not intel P4, no top grap
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And a true mobile will work just as well as a DTR, and have even better thermals (in the case of the 35W mobile 2700+/2800+, magnitudes better).
Re:Using mobile chips in a desktop (Score:2)
The regular chip runs relatively cool, just as-is. I have one at home, and have never had any problems with it.
Conversely, I have dual xeons at work. I have to run a fan under my desk to keep my feet from sweating.
Re:Using mobile chips in a desktop (Score:2)
If you want a quiet and reliable system, it's a good idea to buy a power supply that is rated for more Watts than you actually need. Near the top of the possible power output, power supplies are less efficient and emit more heat. If they aren't working very hard, they run cooler, and they should have a long life and not require as much noisy cooling.
I'm not certain how much of a difference the above really makes, but that's my rule o
Re:Using mobile chips in a desktop--Done it (Score:3, Interesting)
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Next month CPU releases! (Score:1, Funny)
- Intel is lauching the new Pentium 4 Olympic Games Edition, with 20 new "Olympic Instructions" to make the Olympic Games coverage 50% faster!
AMD seems ready to compete (Score:4, Interesting)
With the advent of wi-fi, I see a lot more people ditching desktops all together and using a laptop as their only machine. Why not? Laptops easily have enough power to check email, browse, use an office suit all at the same time. And you can take them anywhere. And with a low end laptop only a few hundred more than a lowend desktop, there really isn't the financial motivation to get a desktop anymore.
Desktops aren't dying, but the real growth(at least in terms of the mature world economies) will probably be in laptops in the coming years.
Re:AMD seems ready to compete (Score:2)
Computers are like cars in that you sell a lot more budget models, but people judge you based on your top of the line. Dodge was getting creamed in the sixties until they brought out a whole line of muscle cars that walked all over GM and Ford. Nissan had no sports cars and all but died. Turns out it's hard to spin a really sexy marketing campaign when your flagship's a minivan. The same is true of computer parts. T
Averatec (Score:2)
The Averatec "3150H" that I'm posting from here has been a pretty nice little machine. Small and light, and (most importantly for me) every single component has Linux drivers available - including the software-driven modem (drivers developed by the modem company [smlink.com] themselves, no less).
The downside is that their support blows. I reported an annoying BIOS problem (if the "Auto-dim" feature [which automatically dims the screen when you disconnect from AC and switch to battery] is turned on, the touchpad stops
Impossible specs? AMD64/nVidia/17" TFT/laptop (Score:2)
--- must have
--- not ATI or anyone else
--- not 15"
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:2)
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:5, Informative)
It doesn't, it's the other way around - this CPU has a feature (NX bit) that WinXP will be aware of as of SP2.
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:1)
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:2, Redundant)
It's not OS-specific, but the majority of users aren't likely to see a benefit until SP2 arrives, because that's the first time Windows will impliment the function. NX support is coming eventually from Intel as well.
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:2)
Other architectures (sparc, for instance) have had separate read/write/execute flags for ages, and Linux has support for them. Now x86 gets that support as well.
Since POSIX has separate flags for each of the three attributes, properly-written programs will *just work*. Stuff that relies on the old x86 behaviour m
*shakes head* (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:2)
How did you think the CPU was going to identify the operating system?
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:2, Insightful)
You dumb ass, the processors have features that HELP the software "do the decurity stuff".
A padlock doesn't care if it's keeping out a robber or you when you've forgotten your key. It's the same thing here.
NX will help to prevent buffer overflow exploits. These processors neither know nor care what OS they're running. NX will h
Re:Work with XP SP2 (Score:2, Insightful)
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Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:1)
I want laptops that run COOL and have MASSIVE battery life. In a laptop, performance comes third or later (in my opinion).
That said, I also need it to do work on when on a business trip. The VIA chips are lacking some serious components, so they run REALLY slow compared to Intel and AMD running at similar clock speeds. I think they're missing float-point arithmetic, or something else that makes anything somewhat comple
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:2)
You exaggerate. They certainly have a Floating Point Unit. They are a bit slower than Intel/AMD machines running at the same frequency.
Where I notice problems is when looking at large PDFs, or running
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:2)
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:2)
While the C3 cpus are nice for ultra-low power situations, a Centrino is proba
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:2)
What they do not have and AMD (+Intel?) do have is a mechanism which slows the processor down in milliseconds if there is nothing for it to do. That is how they save power. I got the chance to speak to an AMD VP about 20 months ago and he indicated that they were very aware of the need to reduce power consumption.
I don't know how Transmeta compare.
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:2, Funny)
That's probably a good thing! AMD architecture NEEDS big fans for how hot they run.
Re:Haha!! I'm one of the first!!! (Score:1, Insightful)
Maybe this is why Intel's stuff has become hotter than AMDs as of late. Because they are losing alot of their fanbase? Har har!
Re:AMD (Score:2, Informative)
Get the byte outta here.
Re:AMD (Score:1, Insightful)
Volume != Quality.
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Re:Huh? (Score:3, Interesting)
And it's exciting to think that we may get 64-bit laptops soon!
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