Yahoo Restored in Some IM Clients 310
Sparks23 writes "Third-party instant messaging clients have begun to reconnect to Yahoo. While the authorization scheme has not been completely decoded -- expect some bumps -- Gaim and Trillian have both partially restored connectivity. Gaim has the new authorization scheme in CVS and their new 0.70 release, and Cerulean has made a beta patch available for Trillian Pro 2.0; consider both patches 'beta' for the moment."
Cooperation (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Cooperation (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no FA, jackass
Re:Cooperation (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Cooperation (Score:5, Informative)
Okay, so a site ain't an article, but all you had to do was follow a link, and there it is. Train harder, grasshopper.
Re:Cooperation (Score:2)
Re:Cooperation (Score:2)
Re:Cooperation (Score:3, Funny)
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Great.... I can just see the next headline about this topic on Slashdot:
Yahoo supports collaboration between "competing" clients.
In a move that is sure to turn a few heads, a Yahoo spokesperson indicated that collaboration between other clients was their primary goal all along. "It was always our intent to force the competition to work together," said Yahoo. "We never realized it would require this much encouragement."
How odd... (Score:3, Interesting)
Frustrated, I did a quick search for other third-party clients and found Easy Message [easymessage.net]. It's small, not very customizable, but it does the job and connects to my Yahoo account with (as far as I can tell) no problems.
Very strange. But to be honest, I didn't like Trillian as much as I wanted to anyway.
Re:How odd... (Score:2)
and then
so it loo
Re:How odd... (Score:2)
So the application crashed, and it was the fault of a company that has nothing to do with the application vendor? That is very odd indeed.
Re:How odd... (Score:2)
Re:How odd... (Score:2)
Not saying that it *should* have happened, just saying that it isn't surprising that hard-to-test-for bugs can slip through.
Re:Cooperation (Score:2)
Alex
Re:Cooperation (Score:2)
It's nice to see the cooperation, but you are right by quoting competing, since they have two different user bases.
BTW, Gaim
Re:Cooperation (Score:2)
Re:Cooperation (no, QAing) (Score:2, Informative)
>> available in their free version,
Not yet. The Pro version was first priority but have announced patches will be available for all versions.
Yahoo Patch Beta 1 is available for Pro customers; patches for 1.0 and
Source: http://www.trillian.cc/ [trillian.cc] (Bottom right of page)
Re:Cooperation (no, QAing) (Score:5, Informative)
We helped Trillian awhile back connect to Yahoo when they changed the protocol. They're returning the favor. We have a good relationship with the Trillian people.
Re:Cooperation (no, QAing) (Score:2)
Re:WTF does Cerulean have to do with Yahoo... (Score:2)
It was CLEARLY a tongue in cheak statement, due to Yahoo trying to block other third party messaging clients, they are now banding together and sharing resources in order to beable to access Yahoo's network again. As such Yahoo have inadvertantly 'fostered' a good relationship between the different third party vendors.
Re:WTF does Cerulean have to do with Yahoo... (Score:2)
Re:Cooperation (Score:2)
ayttm restored on Sunday (Score:5, Informative)
And for other flame bate, it also support GPG encryption of packets over any IM protocol, and is interoperable with Kopete's encryption as well.
Re:ayttm restored on Sunday (Score:2)
Got a bunch of warning from Yahoo! and MSN about the protocol being upgraded, yet still have full connectivity to both
Makes me wonder what the other clients are doing wrong.
Re:ayttm restored on Sunday (Score:2)
Kopete CVS credits Gaim with coming up with the fix. From kopete/protocols/yahoo/libyahoo2/libyahoo2.c:
Re:ayttm restored on Sunday (Score:2)
Bizarre, strange, and weird, I guess.
Re:ayttm restored on Sunday (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:ayttm restored on Sunday (Score:2)
Re:libYahoo (Score:2, Informative)
Independent IM Client Futures (Score:5, Insightful)
Looking down the road, I think the only hope for open clients are open IM servers, probably, IMHO, based on Jabber.
Steven
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:4, Insightful)
At my current job we use Jabber internally to talk to each other so we don't have to send passwords and the like out over the internet, and use encryption it as well. Jabber is probably the biggest pain the ass to set up and administer and still not all of the clients support enough of the feature set (not even the daemons do) for it to be useful.
Not saying that it's any better than some of it's competition. At my last job (employer shall remain nameless, but let's say it's Gimbles to Yahoo's Macys and is owned a Spanish company) I was on the team implementing the new IM launch. (yeah! IM in 2003! Let's clean up that market share with our reach. Oh wait. Damn.) It was (is) based on IBM/Lotus' IM implementation (sadly the name escapes me right now) which was just as much of a pain in the ass. At least with Jabber you can view all the databases, files, etc...
Still, I really doubt jabber will ever gain the critial mass it needs to be the IM software of choice. Not until a company oike AOL, Yahoo! or MS picks it up and starts using it. And that's as likely as Lycos overtaking Yahoo! in the search market by aquiring Google.
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:2)
For the curious ...
The IBM/Lotus product is named Sametime [lotus.com]. It ties in nicely if you have an existing Domino network. (w/ little isonline icons in your notes mail, and other random integration features.)
And yes, having setup jabber recently, it is somewhat of a pain in the ass. All the extenions have their own way of being compiled and setup. (AIM extenion, & the Jit ICQ extension) It's starting to make sense how it works, but it's tricky to get the hang of.
hopefully jabber2 is a bit easier to
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:2)
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:2)
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:2)
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:2)
Agreed. But I think that will change. People are really starting to demand an alternative to the big centralized servers, with all these stupid games their owners are playing. And there is some good software out there:
As far as clients go:
Re:Independent IM Client Futures (Score:3, Insightful)
It's called TCPA.
The point with TCPA and palladium is to be able to force people to use user hostile clients to connect to certain networks/data, and this is a perfect example: in order to connect to the IM networks you will have to use the official clients
Re: Ultimately.... (Score:2)
Look at IRC. It's pretty much the original chat environment for the Internet, and still going strong after all these years. While the IRC client itself might be standard for all IRC servers, many different IRC networks are around that are cut off from each other.
If you're on EFNet, you can't see what's happening over on Undernet, without establishing a completely seperate connection to their ne
Money talks (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Money talks (Score:2)
Try reading the homepage first (Score:3, Informative)
That's right on their homepage. Its in the "News" column. I couldn't find anywhere on their site that said they're only releasing to paying customers. Stop the FUD please. Cerulean Studios creates a good product and has a good history of responding to protocol changes and communicating to customers.
Re:Money talks (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Money talks (Score:3, Insightful)
But they haven't wherein lies the problem. Trillian are only giving out the Yahoo connection code to paying customers. Therefore, for the moment at least, if you want to access Yahoo with Trillian you have to give Cerulean Studios money.
They didn't do anything to the Yahoo network besides consume resources and they're making hard currency off it. I do hope Yahoo clobber them around the hea
Everyone wants to win (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:5, Informative)
(see this news.com.com article [com.com]).
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:4, Insightful)
Stop believing everything you read. Sheesh.
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:2, Insightful)
Remember, hardware, bandwith and system administrators all cost money.
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:2)
So, please, by all means, charge me (as an end user) for the costs. Don't everybody (MSN,AIM/ICQ,Yahoo) try to leverage existing market dominance into a messenger monopoly. The network cost is not an excuse when you're dumping your way into a market.
Right now, I have friends using only one of MSN or AIM/ICQ. They were all, on occasion, uncontactable due to their respective IM network owners trying to finally shoot up to the IM market
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:2)
I do not believe your position is typical of the average IM user.
Let's see... keep a few million non-technical people using the IM services but let a few thousand geeks (who never see any ads or use hooks to other Yahoo services) leave, VS keeping everybody... you know, from a business perspective they're practical
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:2)
As IM becomes more and more an essential feature of people's internet experience (and not just teenagers), people seem to be getting much more sensitive to the issue. A lot of (non-geek)people are moving toward trillian for this very reason. It may take time, but interoperability is becoming important enough to enough people that that the closed proprietary services just won't last forever.
Trillian now includes Jabber plug in in the Pr
Re:Everyone wants to win (Score:2, Insightful)
You mean, like Trillian [ceruleanstudios.com] ?
I read your chat (Score:5, Funny)
I love internet chat sessions. I snoop on them with ethereal at every opportunity.
Re:I read your chat (Score:5, Informative)
Ethereal has a neat feature as "Follow TCP stream". And if you know anything about TCP, there's a sequence number that allows easy "digestion" of the conversation.
And there's DSNIFF, which does he similar things, but with auth protocols. There's a few others, but I dont want to encourage the kiddies.
GAIM CVS? (Score:2)
Re:GAIM CVS? (Score:2, Informative)
For OS X users ... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:For OS X users ... (Score:2)
Re:For OS X users ... (Score:2, Informative)
Additionally, Proteus 3.02 and later shouldn't have any problems with the MSN network, provided Microsoft don't have any tricks up their sleeve.
- proton
"Cracking" protocoles and DMCA? (Score:4, Funny)
Can't Yahoo use the DMCA to send all those people to Guantanamo?
Re:"Cracking" protocoles and DMCA? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:"Cracking" protocoles and DMCA? (Score:2)
Or just watch them in Linux, but then that's not important at all is it.
Re:"Cracking" protocoles and DMCA? (Score:2)
yes, althought IANAL, I think Yahoo could possibly pull some DMCA stunt to go after folks.
Re:"Cracking" protocoles and DMCA? (Score:2)
Yahoo could pull something with the DMCA, but hopefully it would be shot down in court. Interoperability is essential! Although if everyone thought that, Microsoft would have open file formats.
Re:"Cracking" protocoles and DMCA? (Score:2)
Why bother? (Score:3, Insightful)
If all your non-techie friends know that they cant contact you for free tech support over MSN or Yahoo, they wont use it.
Let them die due to lack of use, or at least cripple 'em. Don't legitimize that kind of dogshit.
MSN? (Score:2)
Re:MSN? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:MSN? (Score:2)
Slashdot summary (Score:5, Funny)
1. "Poor Yahoo. Nasty Indian government officials restricting this company from providing its valuable services to the internet."
2. "Damn Yahoo. Nasty corporate goons restricting people from using its services. We should all switch to Jabber."
Source (Score:2)
However good job to Trillain for passing the code on. Lets just see how long it lasts though as I can't help but think yahoo will change the protocol again
Rus
dmca (Score:2)
YahElite up to date! (Score:2, Insightful)
YahElite was also prevented from working, maybe about a month ago, but as of last week, the updates allow YahElite to once again function with the Yahoo network.
Yahoo is alright, it's nice that they have sort of a directory structure to build the rooms off of (I still have a hard time not saying "channel"), and the lack of published IP address prevents people from trying to nuke your box directly, but its standard client is the buggiest, cobbled-together piece of crap. It combines the worst elements of v
Yahoo blocks... (Score:2)
Oddly enough I was running Trillian/free before all this, and switched to Gaim because
Yahoo plans to release source (Score:5, Insightful)
Yahoo has been trying to help the other Y! messenger clients update their code to work with the new protocol....they're NOT trying to kill them off.
I'm particularly happy to see this move, because Yahoo is about the only big corporation which is working on Unix versions of their client. Yahoo has Solaris, BSD, and Linux versions of the messenger. Moreover, from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ymessenger/ mailing list they're ACTUALLY speculating on releasing their source code for their UNIX clients:
Subject: New poll for ymessenger
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the ymessenger group:
Would you like to have access to Yahoo Messenger Sources?
o Yes
o No
o Why should I?
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ymessenger/survey
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above.
Thanks!
Re:Yahoo plans to release source (Score:2)
Look before you yell (Score:2)
Look before you yell Troll.
What was the purpose of the change? (Score:3, Interesting)
I always wonder about these sorts of converation.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Surely the debate has little if anything to do with the protocol, it has everything to do with Yahoo's server base that sits behind their IM client and the business model that they have in place that sustains those servers.
Sure, we all have a right to use the protocol, it's only bits and bytes and does not cost anybody anything. Who gives us the right to use their servers though?
Re:I always wonder about these sorts of converatio (Score:2)
Nobody. That's why we shouldn't use non-open networks.
Re:I always wonder about these sorts of converatio (Score:2)
The "open" community developed bind/DNS a long time ago to provide a distributed directory service for finding machines, is it time we started looking at some similar mechinism for finding people and setting about doing the work to make it pervasive?
Re:I always wonder about these sorts of converatio (Score:2)
Giving away secrets? (Score:2)
The wrong approach ... (Score:5, Interesting)
As much as I respect the Trillian and Gaim developers for adapting their clients on such short notice, I think they've got the wrong approach to the whole IM thing. For now, the two groups (or group and company I guess) are integrating IM clients into a single program with a clean interface. Many of us love the idea, and use their two clients, but this isn't fixing the underlying problems which allow MS and Yahoo to cause havoc by modifying their proprietary protocols. What Gaim and Trillian need to do is integrate users.
The main instant messaging protocols are already supported, namely Yahoo, AIM, MSN and ICQ. The problem, which has been addressed a ton of times on /., is that users go to the IM network that their friends are on, and so all four networks (with ICQ trailing) have significant user bases. But this can change if Gaim and Trillian get a bit creative. Simply put, add an open source protocol to the mix of supported protocols (Jabber) and let the rest work itself out.
What I think would happen is that Gaim and Trillian users would use Jabber to talk to each other, and use the commercial protocols to talk to the rest of their friends. As time goes on, these other friends could be migrated to Trillian or Gaim, maintaining contact with their MSN/AIM/etc buddies while now speaking Jabber to their Trillian and Gaim friends. This could be repeated indefinitely, and as Gaim and Trillian's user bases grow over time, there would be no reason to use commercial protocols because most people would already speak Jabber, courtesy of Gaim and Trillian supporting it.
In short, I believe Gaim and Trillian could serve as middlemen in switching users over to open source protocols like Jabber. The clients' ability to speak a multitude of protocols can bridge the gap between those pushing forward to open source protocols and those retaining backwards compatibility to their commercial protocol speaking friends.
Re:The wrong approach ... (Score:2)
I posted this [weblogz.com] to trillians message board the other day (I can't link to it directly because it is in the paid users only group), which suggests a way to transition people by getting ISP's invloved.
Whever I see the IM wars start up again... (Score:4, Funny)
centericq also updated (Score:3)
Trillian phones home (Score:5, Interesting)
This misfeature originally appeared in the beta and we (the users) were led to believe (in the forums) that it will not make it into the final release. Guess what, it did.
This creates problems with users behind corporate firewalls, those running local servers on intranets, etc. It makes Trillian vulnerable to DOS attacks on a single source and in general is a pain (for example, on my machine it starts and tries to connect before the SW firewall finishes loading).
While "patches" for this behaviour are widely available (no, I will not link to one, use your favourite "crack search" site then contemplate the fallacy of "copy protection"), I see it more as a trust issue.
Cerulean Studios doesn't trust me (a paying customer) and, after that stunt, I have a hard time trusting them.
Therefore, I am no longer recommending Trillian to anyone. Rather, I urge people to look at the available alternatives (Gaim [sourceforge.net], Easy Message [easymessage.net], AYTTM [sourceforge.net] and others [sourceforge.net]).
Hmmm... Can anyone take it upon themselves to compile a comparison between the available multiprotocol IM clients?
Re:Trillian phones home (Score:2)
Re:Trillian phones home (Score:2)
+ now
Re:Trillian phones home (Score:2)
> My opinion of Cerulean Studios just changed when I found out they submitted their Yahoo fix to Gaim, but [now] it's just changed back. O well. I liked them for 10 minutes.
No need to change your opinion so often...
1) See this message [slashdot.org]: "We helped Trillian awhile back connect to Yahoo when they changed the protocol. They're returning the favor. We have a good relationship with the Trillian people."
2) The "phone home" misfeature does not mean that Cerulean studios are "evil", just misguided.
Trillian 0.74E -- transitory solution (Score:4, Informative)
Like a lot of people here I was experiencing the crashes every time Trillian tried to connect to Yahoo! Messenger. The quick and dirty solution is to go into your Trillian directory and rename yahoo.dll to whatever else, then start the program. All the other services will work just fine.
This may be a way to remain on-line until a patch is offered for 0.74. The current patch is only good for 2.0 Pro, as far as I know.
Cheers!
Eugene
Want Telecom Deregulated? (Score:3, Insightful)
We would have a bunch of independent companies refusing to talk to each other, forcing you buy thier phones (remember thoes days?), and not completeing calls between different companies. I'm a Trillian user, but I side with the IM provides on this one.
We need a good reliable, easy to use, open source, P2P IM network, then we can do away with all the nonsense.
Copy protection - One more reason for me to find a perfectly functional copy on the Internet.
Trillian has 2 active verions.. (Score:2)
Sick of this IM overlord crap (Score:2)
Nice to have an alternative available that *I* control, end to end. And no, the Gaim Win32 interface does not suck. Just use the Wimp theme.
Re:Sick of this IM overlord crap (Score:2)
Well, I guess if you have that much control over all your contacts (and your wife), you are alright.
I find I generally have to talk to my contacts on the medium they already use.
How about older GAIM versions like v0.59? (Score:2)
Thank you in advance.
Re:This story can also be found at (Score:3, Informative)
It involves the MSN Messenger crash and chaos that caused:
MSN Messenger Restored, But Some Buddies Lost Service is running after a week of intermittent problems, but some data destroyed.
Jennifer DiSabatino, Computerworld Tuesday, July 10, 2001
Re:Nobody uses Yahoo! Messenger (Score:2)
I've moved on to Jabber and suggested to all my friends to follow on. If they don't tough luck for me; I could still reach some through MSN gateway (until oct 15th?)
I will not relog into Y! again and if MSN breaks again, I'll take it as a sign...
And as stated above : afterall "cool people use Jabber"
Re:Nobody uses Yahoo! Messenger (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Nobody uses Yahoo! Messenger (Score:2, Interesting)
As an unrelated aside, most annoying were internet cafes that didn't have any of them installed, and only had computers that let you web browse. You couldn't even open a regular telnet prompt on them. I'd heard rumors of a web-based Ya
Other Anti Firewall Devices (Score:2)
Forwarding part is easy, but what about getting the clients to actually use the tunnel?
Http-tunnel is going pay.. their service was nice, but its too unstable fo pay for.