Flash Mobs: Peaceable Assembly for Spontaneous Fun 543
Schmendr1ck writes "The Orlando Sentinel is carrying a story on the growing trend of 'creating a crowd on a moment's notice for no particular reason' knows as a flash mob. Recent flash mobs (sometimes hundreds of people) have wandered into into an upscale NYC shoe store acting like confused tourists from Maryland, gathered at the Hyatt near Grand Central Station for 15 seconds of spontaneous applause, and converged on the Macy's carpet department to debate the quality of the rugs for sale. Check
cheesebikini? for pictures and info on past mobs, as well as links to sites that organize these events. Sounds like a fun, harmless, and Constitutionally-protected way of blowing off a little steam."
Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:2, Informative)
In NYC you need a Public Assembly Permit ($150) for any gathering of more than 20 people.
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:4, Insightful)
If one cannot freely assemble in New York, then citizens of the place are no longer free human beings as defined by the Constitution. No debate required, that's just the way it is.
The question then becomes:
How much do you value the ideas presented by the Constitution?
And hey, maybe the brand of freedom offered in New York is good enough for your tastes. But don't take too much consolation from that. Look around the world and back through history and you'll see human beings finding all sorts of things palettable. If you get enough people content to subside on dogshit, that's what they get. You want to have better and keep it, you're gonna have to demand better. How demanding is America of it's freedoms in 2003?
If concepts had graves, the headstone for our lost freedoms would read:
"If you have nothing hide, you have nothing to worry about."
"You have nothing to worry about if you're not doing anything wrong."
What merits hiding? What is considered wrong?
Who determines these things if there is no longer a Constitution to define the spectrum of what a free human being can expect to be able to do within his own life?
Could you be content to place the entirety of your freedoms sqaurely in the lap of John Ashcroft? How about a future that contains a succession of people just like him, one after another. Mix that with corporate governance and policing as witnessed by the DMCA and RIAA.
The future will continue to be grim so long as we have a populace that's too foolish to understand the value of the protections given by the Constituion.
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:3, Interesting)
Aschroft: "Define peaceably. Define assemble. Define petition. Define redress."
Or has the First Amendment been repealed already?
Alas, define repeal.
Re:nothing to fear (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Same in the UK (Score:3, Interesting)
The British Constitution developed from the Magna Carta and whilst it is not written down in one place, it is considered to be a strong constitution.
Just because the UK version isn't all in one place doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Just because the US one is all down in one place, i
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Interesting)
Im going to end my commentary here.before i get more irritated. It might please you to know that the cops got in a shit load of trouble and all the people were un-arrested.
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Informative)
The police chief was also fired and went through a lenthy trial...though he was aquitted later. His police life is over though.
It's not like the police did this and just got away with it...they were slapped down pretty hard...which brought a smile to my face!
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:3, Interesting)
LS
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:2)
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Interesting)
Here is a quote from one of the newspaper stories about this incident:
"Houston cops planned for weeks to swoop down on a parking lot and nab a bunch of drag racers but couldn't find any when they got there. So, what the heck, they just rounded up everyone in the parking lot outside a 24-hour Kmart and a Sonic Drive-In and charged the whole bunch with trespassing. No joke."
Here's the address of the story...I suggest you read through it and find that the police chief was fired and went through a trial and the entire police dept of Houston got slapped down pretty hard.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/r
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:5, Funny)
I can just imagine the 4 guys peeing on your lawn, in the shape of the letters "FP"
Re:Constitutional protection! Ha! (Score:4, Funny)
WTF, Is this supposed to be Natalie Portman??"
The real process for constitutional protection. (Score:5, Interesting)
I remember this! (Score:3, Funny)
Sounds like a bunch of hippies!
Let's spontaneously "get together," if you know what I mean. It'll be fun!
One Question... (Score:2, Insightful)
One answer (Score:3, Funny)
Why? What's the point?
Because it's there. Jeez, pay attention!
Re:One Question... (Score:2)
Re:One Question... (Score:2)
Re:One Question... (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a mental challenge also:
It is mildly complicated to plan and organize. There is an element of imagination involved in coming up with a surreal situation to use the crowd in.
It is also like art using people.
If there was an actual practical purpose to the afore-mentioned Hacks then that would detract from the fun and Hack value of it.
In the same way, if these crowds met to protest something then people wouldn't even pay attention to them. They would see the protest signs and say - oh, more protesters.I live in NY and there are picket lines and protests everyday and they are all ignored.
The way it is now people notice the flash crowds BECAUSE there is no purpose to them.
The only time protestors are noticed is when they become violent like in Seattle, disrupt traffic or otherwise do things that are probably counter-productive to the cause they wish to promote. It might feel cool to participate in such mass protests, but I think they have little effect on policy e.g. the protests did nothing to stop the war from taking place in Iraq or in bringing home the troops.
I would actually appreciate a recent example where protests accomplished something in the US except increase security at WTO meetings.
Re:One Question... (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't blame you for not knowing but people were not getting violent in Seattle during the WTO protest. I live near Seattle and although i was not there i know many people who were including my father was was taken into a holding cell for no reason and released when they realized he was a member of the BAR and they didn't want that.
Many of my friend were shot with rubber bullets and left with bruises for no reason other than being in a crowd. You might not believe me if i say this but i knew a cop who wanted to be involved just so he could shoot people doing nothing. Now im sure not al the cops there felt like that but i know there were enough to cause some trouble. There were soooo many camera's there that i would bet no act of violence was missed. When i watched on the news at night all i saw was violence but only a little but. They would loop the same two clips of people breaknig windows but it was nothing like it was portrayed on TV. EVERY single protest was peaceful and most of the police didn't do anything wrong. The problem was when someone totally unassociated with the protest went near them and starting breaking things. Then the police would go all out on the protesters. The worst part of the stores that were broken the only ones being protected were corporate stores. The assholes who were breaknig stuff did not discriminate between corporate and other stores as the media claimed. It was no protesters breaking the nike store. It was some assholes breaking anything before they were caught.
Re:One Question... (Score:5, Informative)
I do blame you for being a moron and trying to skew the facts. Yes there were violent people. Yes they were blocking sidewalks, streets, shops, etc. Yes they basically shutdown most of downtown seattle for several days. I live just 10 miles south of Seattle and I saw much of this first hand. I've also seen a couple of documentaries about the protests and while I think the cops were out of line on more than one occasion, the protestors were not the innocent angels you make them out to be.
Why did you fail to mention the bottles and debris being thrown at police officers? It's sad that we only see what we want to see. You apparently wanted to see peaceful protestors being victimized by the Seattle Police and so that is what you saw. Maybe you should look again and see the truth.
You should be able to find any of a number of documentaries on the protest at any local library in Seattle or the surrounding area.
Back to the topic at hand, what are the flash mobbers hurting? They show up, gather for a few moments, and then disburse. I don't think there is enough time for anyone to become annoyed with these people. I think most people would still be in shock by the time it's over. With the WTO protests you had individuals "manning" the streets and key intersections pretty much around the clock.
Eww, Flash! (Score:5, Funny)
Constitution? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Constitution? (Score:3, Funny)
"The Constitution, is that thing still around"
Re:Constitution? (Score:3, Funny)
Constitutionally Protected in some places... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Constitutionally Protected in some places... (Score:3, Informative)
10th amendment is usually interpreted as applying the bill of rights to local and state governments, basically saying (don't have it handy) "states shall not infringe upon the rights of their citize
Re:Constitutionally Protected in some places... (Score:3, Interesting)
Haven't they already deleted that bit? I mean they're currently holding a bunch of people without access to representation and just about to execute half of them without trial....
Re:Constitutionally Protected in some places... (Score:3, Informative)
The letter of the Constitution says that those people are not citizens, and are therefore not under jurisdiction of the Constitution.
The spirit of the Constitution is that we're all equal under the law (IMO, and of course, the Constitution says a lot of other things). Of course, when it was written, "all" meant white landowners, but the protections of the
let me guess... (Score:5, Funny)
... a lot of these people, especially the ones organizing on the web, are recently laid off techies, with copious amounts of free time on their hands.
Yes (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yes (Score:5, Funny)
Re:let me guess... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:let me guess... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:let me guess... (Score:3, Funny)
They're just ripping off Bruce Sterling. (Score:3, Interesting)
Another name for it... (Score:5, Funny)
Flash mob flash (Score:3, Interesting)
Flash mob flashing people....you know...whole shit like that
Re:Flash mob flash (Score:2)
It's Spencer Tunick
His site and you'll know what I mean.. [spencertunick.com]
flash mobs (Score:2)
Knowing the hardware is one thing... (Score:5, Funny)
back when WE were kids.... (Score:5, Funny)
I guess we should have tried recruiting other mine-wannabes.
Re:back when WE were kids.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:back when WE were kids.... (Score:3, Funny)
Larry Niven (Score:5, Informative)
If I'm wrong, I stand corrected (in advance.)
Re:Larry Niven (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, this sounds remarkably like the Slashdot effect, only with people not Web hits.
The first story I know of that mentions the "flash crowd" was "The Permanent Floating Riot Club", where a gang of criminals actually used flash crowds to steal.
Re:Larry Niven (Score:3, Informative)
Hi!
Larry Niven might have used the term "flash crowd" in one of his novels--but the term "flash mob" has been in use since at least the 19th century. It was used to describe the loud and outre--"flash" in the sense of exploding powder ("a flash in the pan").
The term was certainly in use by the 1930s--Dorothy Sayers refers to the "flash mob" in one of her stories about Lord Peter Wimsey.
this isn't new (Score:5, Funny)
I hate to say this, (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I hate to say this, (Score:5, Funny)
Life imitates fiction? (Score:2, Interesting)
NYC (Score:5, Interesting)
I was a part of one of these, and let me tell you it was a riot. One of the rules was you couldn't initiate conversation with anyone and that answers to questions were scripted. We stayed together for 5 minutes and dispersed, no one having said a word. It was surreal but wonderful, especially the looks on the normal people's faces, trying to figure out exactly what was going on.
Triv
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/. just flash mobbed ... (Score:2, Redundant)
Looks like the San Francisco Cacophony Society (Score:5, Interesting)
The increasing capacity for spontaneous social expression via the network is going to get a boost, now that *everyone* who is within proximity of a prank has a chance to participate.
Yet another example of new social behaviors that emerge spontaneously at the 'edge' of the network.
It's be interesting to see what new kinds of mass social behavior develop, and which ones manage to survive, and become institutionalized.
As long as no one gets hurt, we could use a little levity.
As stated on the SF Cacophony site: "The Cacophony Society is a randomly gathered network of individuals united in the pursuit of experiences beyond the pale of mainstream society through subversion, pranks, art, fringe explorations and meaningless madness. "
Here's an excerpt about one past activity:
Mad Santa Crawl:
"each year at christmastime a crowd of santas descends upon one of san francisco's most-touristed neighborhoods to get drunk, to hand out disturbing gifts, and to frighten tourists.
on december 16, 2000 a santa faction drove to a ranch in petaluma, spent the afternoon discharging firearms, then joined the rest of the santas for the evening's festivities in san francisco. about 150 santas took over grant street in chinatown, and they eventually headed up into north beach."
Here are the first few stories (Score:2, Informative)
July 24, 2003
Flash Mob in Central Park
Fred Hoysted was first to chime in with a report and a photo from the Fifth New York Flash Mob. SatansLaundromat.com was quick on Fred's heels with a report and a nice group of photos, including a larger version of the cropped shot to the right.
They seem to have carried out a fantastic, bizarre idea: make a bunch of increasingly surreal "nature sounds" in Central Park.
Did anyone make an audio recording? Please let me know if you did.
Filed under flash m
Party at SCO's and RIAA associations home tonight! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Party at SCO's and RIAA associations home tonig (Score:4, Funny)
Try this one (Score:3, Informative)
It's in Italian.
Distraction (Score:5, Interesting)
It makes me wonder if we are on the verge of creating a trans-human intelligence capable of consciousness. Too bad we don't have any formal idea of what intelligence and conciousness is, or we could analyze the situation more closely...
Re:Distraction (Score:2)
Re:Distraction (Score:3, Insightful)
Nope. We're not. We're just minimizing individuality by removing context, thus encouraging our pack-instincts to re-assert themselves.
Too bad we don't have any formal idea of what intelligence and conciousness is, or we could analyze the situation more closely...
We have all sorts of formal ideas. But when we start to talk about them, some jackoff gets their religion embroiled up in the debate,
Slashdotting = Flash mob on the web (Score:4, Funny)
Does the first one there yell 'FP!' ?
Flash mods for Flash mobs? (Score:2)
New Category Suggestion: TFH (Score:4, Interesting)
This would be for these types of stories that get the paranoid wackos to remind us of how our rights are gone, the government is after us, etc.
Or at least store these on tfh.slashdot.org
Critical Mass (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Critical Mass (Score:5, Insightful)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Fun my ass! You obviously have never tried to get thru a city during CM. The idea's not having fun, it's taking a mob mentality in thinking it's ok to disrupt everybody's life because you're pissed at the world.
I've always been one for peaceful demonstration and whatnot, but Critical Mass has always been a HUGE peeve of mine. What (and nobody I've asked has been able to answer this) is it supposed to accomplish??? Change? Well, it doesn't make me want to leave my car at home. It does, however, make me want to run down the next cyclist I see. Awareness? I know they say any publicity is good publicity, but pissing off the city isn't the way to gain support for a cause...
I might even agree with your cause. But the only thing making me late for work is gonna do is make me vote against whatever it is you're trying to accomplish.
Truth is, I've always thought of CM events as collective hissy fits. Just kicking and screaming and basically being annoying as hell.
If you want to bitch, fine, but direct it at someone who gives a damn and can do something about it. But don't fuck with the roads and interfere with all of us who are just trying to live our lives in peace and do our friggin jobs.
*sigh* It's so goddamn childish...
Re:Critical Mass (Score:4, Insightful)
>mob mentality thinking it's ok to disrupt everybody's life because you're pissed at the world.
Mob mentality also involves assuming that everyone (who matters) thinks like you. CM rides disrupt drivers because they are pissed off at drivers. Drivers - as CM rides so very clearly show - aren't the whole world.
You're right that it serves no purpose and that it's inefficient. So, when did we become robots? Go back to Soviet Russia, comrade, your groupthink will be very welcome there. M'yeah.
Re:Critical Mass (Score:5, Insightful)
Make a statement about what? That you don't care about inconveniencing others and you've time on your hands?
Re:Critical Mass (Score:4, Informative)
Of course, I and every single one of my friends who bikes on a regular basis has had to go to the hospital because they've been hit by a car and the driver was at fault. I was hit, rolled up the hood, smashed into the windshield, and was thrown to the pavement when someone ran a red light and wound up spending the morning in the ER. Another time, my feet were run over when a car intentionally pinned me in. My girlfriend almost got killed by a van which tried to run her off the road. Another friend was knocked unconscious by someone who threw their door open without looking.
Recently, the city settled out of court in a lawsuit where an elderly black man (in his 60s) without drugs, weapons, or any malicious intent was intentionally hit by a police car while riding his bike.
One of the protest aspects of Critical Mass is to protest the interference of cars in the lives of cyclists when the law states that cars and bicycles must share the road. A statement is needed precisely because drivers are so careless and malicious towards cyclists.
As a sidenote, every time Critical Mass has taken over Lake Shore, the bikes are slowed down by the cars. Traffic around downtown Chicago at rush hour is so slow that bikes have a greater average speed. I'd guess that the amount of time that you lost was minimal.
zerg (Score:4, Insightful)
And... (Score:3, Funny)
I'll have pictures up shortly.
A semi-related topic (Score:5, Funny)
I know this because I discovered it by accident once. For no particular reason I began clapping abnormally loud and in a pattern, long after people had stopped applauding. A group of my friends joined in as a joke and within say 20 seconds the whole room of people was clapping along. We tested this a couple other places as well.
Re:A semi-related topic (Score:4, Funny)
Re:A semi-related topic (Score:5, Funny)
I'm organising an flash mob in Ireland (Score:2)
Who's interested?
The first Italian Flash Mob? (Score:2)
What, do two guys show up and try and sell you "protection" and then disappear suddenly?
See also: (Score:2)
eeeeeevil (Score:2)
You could put people into dangerous situations, influence politicians, perhaps clog up vital areas at just the right time to cause serious harm.
Not that I dislike these things, I think they are awesome... but like I said, evil is great! I'm off to think of fun ways to put f
Fark vs Slashdot (Score:3, Interesting)
I have scanned through the responses to this subject here on slashdot, and while there are some that have been very negative, the overall vibe I get is positive. (or nuetral)
Now, go over to FARK.com, and read through the comments that were posted after the article went up yesterday. A vast majority of them are negative, and not just negative in the "bah Im smarter than everyone else" mindset that most of the FARK message boards are built upon, but rather an honest to god "I am offended at how stupid people are that would do this sort of thing" kind of way.
Not sure if its all that important or even on-topic but an interesting contrast of the two communities.
"No force on earth can stop one hundred Santas!" (Score:3, Informative)
Flash mobs, meet lots of Santas informally gathering at the same place and time.
www.santarchy.com [santarchy.com]
Flashing mobs (nudity) (Score:3, Funny)
Re:The Klan has been doing this for years (Score:3, Funny)
The new twist seems to be that no one is getting killed.
Re:Bunch of morons (Score:4, Funny)
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:3, Insightful)
Think of it as a testing ground for more smart spontaneous protests.
Will anyone organise a flash mob to boo an RIAA lawyer?
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:2)
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:3, Insightful)
First, these do not appear to be protests, so it's comparing apples to oranges.
Second, if you follow this logic, then you might as well stop going to bars, movies, singing, playing music, watching screensavers, and other "fruitless" endeavors until you've solved the world's problems.
This poster probably also derides liquid nitrogen cooled pentiums and potato guns and every other "worthless" geek project posted to slashdot.
I think you need to realize that there really I
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:2)
I just think right now, we're living in a really pivotal time. There's a lot of turmoil going on and things very well will get worse before they get better unless people get off their bums and wake up to the stuff that's going down. People these days just seem so uninterested in politics, apathetic about their fate, obvlivious to the fact corporations are reaming us up the ass on a daily basis.
The ability to organize over the web spontaneously is a great, great thing. Maybe these folks can think of some
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:2)
LS
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:3, Insightful)
You're view is fatalistic. There is no way out with your mindset.
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:4, Insightful)
They're having fun. They'll laugh a lot the rest of the day. They'll tell a whole lot of people about it. That's not doing nothing. Works for me.
Re:okay, this is what bugs me about this. (Score:3, Insightful)
Also note people would have different agendas.. geeks with differing nationalities etc, but a flash crowd gathers these various people with absolutely nothing in common except fo
Chill (Score:2, Insightful)
--Famous misquote of Emma Goldman
Sometimes, people just want to have fun. Fear not; some people have already figured out that organized coincidences can be effective protests. See: Critical Mass bike rides. More will figure this out over time. Right now, just enjoy it!
Side note: The story behind the quote is here [berkeley.edu].
Re:Oh great. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Other interesting possibilities (Score:3, Interesting)