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Feh! You young whippersnapper! You wouldn't know glory if it bit you on the foot! Why, in my days of being on AOL, you could make a username WITHOUT appending a long string of numbers to the end. And you could jump in a chat room WITHOUT getting hit on by 48 year-old marines. And spam was still the name of a canned 'meat' product!
That was true glory, not the stuff in that article...
I remember reading about AOL guys selling their stock and retiring in their 30s back around 1999 or 2000. The article was "why are they doing this? they must be nutty!"
I wonder what happened to those crazy kids who sold the stock and retired. Probably living on an island accessing slashdot on a homebuilt wireless.
Those were the glory days. A new floppy disk in the mail every week. Unlike those crappy cd-roms in tins we get now. I mean what the heck do we do with them.
What to do with them? Dude, the solution has been here for 20 years! The MICROWAVE!
That and put them in your hand and squeeze next to somebodys face. A facefull of AOL shards, huzzah!
A buddy of mine grabs a handfull every time he goes to the store and saves them up for when he goes shooting. See he has rigged up a skeet launcher to fling these little circles of evil into the air and [shuck-shuck] BOOM.
Altoids aren't meant to last long enough that you should need to hide them. Whenever I buy a tin(I sort of try not to now), I end up going through the entire thing in about 4 hours.
Of course, wintergreen is the only good flavor of the damn things.
They have a goal to collect 1 million CDs. Once they reach their goal (or some subset therof), they're going to pile the CDs on some trucks, drive them across the nation in a big media spectacle, and give them back to AOL.
One new floppy disk a week!? I remember when I used to get 5. I'm on a lot of mailing lists. But worth it, being I've only ever purchased one box of floppy disks since 1993!
What do you do with the cd's? Coasters! I worked at an ISP and we had them all over, cheap and easy to replace.
But the best thing to do is to wrap a slinky [slinkytoys.com] around a can (Dr. Pepper [drpepper.com] in my case). Then use each of the openings to put cd's in. put it on top of a monitor and people won't wave there hands around in your office for fear of k
In 1998, AOL chairman Steve Case and his wife, Jean, gave over $8 million to a Christian school that, according to its own Web site, is a division of a virulently anti-gay church that seeks to "cure" homosexuals.
I guess this is why there are no more glory holes at AOL.
And what is wrong about that? The way you describe the church ("virulently anti-gay") conjures up a negative image, damning them from the start.
Look, people have a right to believe that homesexuality is wrong. Christians believe homosexuality is a sin, just like having sex with anyone other than your wife is a sin, just like lying is a sin.
David Colburn's stature at AOL grew to such epic proportions that he earned a nickname: God.
Hey. That's reserved for sysadmins.
Not so. According to the infamous job description sheet:
http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Find_Your_Ro le.html
(there are many versions of that sheet, with anything from executive secretaries to programmers to users being the ultimate end-point. Having dealt with executive secretaries, they're not far off the mark, they wield the most amazing power- and abuse it handily
AOL is to computer culture what Little Boy was to Hiroshima.
Oh, come on! I hear stuff like this constantly, and it's just complete and total BS.
Sure, I kinda miss the days when "The Internet" was "our" thing. But you have to realize that is already over. So stop dwelling on it.
In the mean time, the Internet-boom happened. And overall this has been a good thing. It was provided us with wonderful conveniences (like web-retailers), wonderful innovations (like Java), wonderful social impact (Instant Messaging and being able to email even your grandparents in Europe), and holds in store plenty of new possibilities. We have IPv6 around the corner, imbedded systems are popping up everywhere, and wireless technologies are ushering in a whole new era of connectivity.
Without companies like AOL, we may have never seen the explosion that we have seen, and concepts that we now take for granted that enrich our lives every day may have never seen light.
We all get nostalgic sometimes, but don't go belitteling a company for "ruining" the internet as you are attempting to imply, when they may very well have been one of the most important players period in the construction of what many of us now base much of our lives around.
Well, I never! I'm upset since you young guys hijacked television..
err...wait
no...you can have it, changed me mind.. keep on hijacking it lads! Used to be we had one fuzzy channel that only ran to 10 or 11 or midnight, then went off the air and showed nifty test patterns, and programs that mostly sucked, now we have hundreds of programs that mostly suck! Now THAT's tech progress!
Not!
Radio! errr... no... wait......
Newspapers!...rats..... hmmmm
Movies!....uhhh... nooo.... hmmmmmm
Girls! There ya go, still exactly the same as the "good old" days! And now with even *less* clothes!
And now you can definitely tell that the internet has improved the world. Before the internet, the geeks of the world (now, collectively known as slashdot) wouldn't have even known about the last item. Quality sites such as www.hooters.dk have definitely improved our lives!
I think you missed the intent of the parent post, and the original Hiroshima analogy was rather appropriate...
It's not so much that AOL made the internet popular (as in a lot of people use it), it's that it made it 'popular' (as in the hip and trendy thing to do). This created a whole (and by now, several) internet-aware but still functionally illiterate people.
Specifically: "netspeak"
Now, if you're not typing in your native language, even some severe deviations in grammar and spelling are forgivable. Personally speaking, if I can understand what you're trying to say then that's good enough. This also applies to native speakers who make the occasional "topy" and spelling error (expecting everyone to run their text through spell and grammar check every time just isn't reasonable!)
However, since the internet became "popular" you have an entire culture of people who can't use punctuation like commas and periods, proper capitalization, can't (or won't?) use full words, (Though some "alternative spelings" are commonly acceptable - I can't see, for example, how "u" is a suitable replacement for "you"...), can't be bothered to proofread what they type (even a quick glance), and at worst can't even form coherent thoughts.
So it's not that there are more people are using the internet - that's a very good thing - it's that far too many of them can't understand why they get kicked out of chatrooms and forums for typing "hi a/s/l plz how r u k 10x lololol!!!1! u r gay ass i h4><0r j00"
=Smidge= "I really like it when a site calls it a 'Message Board' instead of 'Forum'. 'Forum' suggests some semblence of order, respect and maturity." -braedan51
It's not so much that AOL made the internet popular (as in a lot of people use it), it's that it made it 'popular' (as in the hip and trendy thing to do). This created a whole (and by now, several) internet-aware but still functionally illiterate people.
This is another thing to upsets me. People that get so very upset about any sort of evolution of language.
Last time I checked, the point of language was to convey thoughts. Does it really make any difference what so ever how this is accomplished if it's
"I would be a more efficient person if I always used "u" instead of "you""
Not really. Although you would type faster, you would make it much harder to parse (both from a program perspective and a human perspective). There are many times when it is truely incomprehensible. However, I've grown to just silenty dislike it rather than actually say something, so long as the person is nice enough (eg, if someone is talking trash in a game of counterstrike, I'm not above saying "atleast I can spell 'you'"). What rea
Yet, dial-up at that time could be had for 5.95 or if there wasn't much competition in your neighborhood at the time 9.95 or so while AOL wanted double that. AOL does not equal the internet-boom. They're an ISP second and a content/service provider first.
From my experience, cheap local dial-ups helped get most of the non-techies on the net a lot more than AOL and its other proprietary cousins. These non-techies fired up a browser and were off - excitied by the prospect of this web thing and email, while AOL people safely hid in their controlled chat-rooms and paid per-minute charges.
Sure the non-AOLers had to actually spend five minutes talking to tech-support to setup their modems and email clients but at least they learned a little about how their computers and modems worked, as opposed to being stuck with some proprietary software that didnt really deliver the goods regarding easy easy use until much later versions.
Now, these non-techies are somewhat savvy tech consumers and surprisingly handy with a computer and have long since moved on to broadband, while the AOL people I remember are still there on a beater 486 and still getting ripped off.
Not exactly a scientific study, but lets not overestimate AOL's influence. Those mysterious "http" things on movie commercials, that Netscape thing people keep talking about, and not having an answer to the question "Whats your email address" were probably the biggest factors in getting people online, not a voice saying, "You've got mail!"
Some of us out here in the sticks didn't have any local ISPs until the internet had gained some popularity. Guess what, if it weren't for (primarily) AOL, that wouldn't have happened.
Obviously AOL is misplacing their resources. They're falling way behind the version war - remember how revolutionary 8 is compaired to 7, or hah hah... I laugh at the thought _6_? Hell emacs is in the 20s and I'd sure as hell rather use emacs (tough sell considering I'm a vi(m) user). AOL needs to move on to version 15 or so to totally blow away MSN. They can then add super championship turbo edition for power users, maybe give redhat kernel versions a run for their money.
About 3 years ago in Northern VA I saw a Honda with a license plate that said "AOL 50" with a AOL bracket around it. A quick check of the VA DMV plate selector [state.va.us] shows that it is available again but "AOL 80" is taken, HAHAHAHA. I tried "ME TOO" but it's taken also. If you truely have no social life and you're quick you can probably get lifetime moderator by grabbing "VA LINX"
I think they should continue with the marketing, I really like those cases. They're much better than the snapper-style crap cases WB sells with their DVDs (Matrix, Animatrix). I do hate peeling off that big-ass sticker AOL puts on the back of their DVD cases, though.:(
by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Friday June 13, 2003 @07:57PM (#6196273)
Ah, the glory days of AOL. The slowness. The service drops. The browser functionality that was always just a generation behind what non-idiots were using. Those were the days...
Ah, the glory days of AOL. The slowness. The service drops. The browser functionality that was always just a generation behind what non-idiots were using. Those were the days...
dont consider the days of inflated prices, wasteful spending and endless accounting shenanigans and lies the glory days. And don't think AOL didn't do it. HealthSouth/Freddie Mac are the tip of a putrid iceberg. We don't even know how much thievery happened back then, but it wasn't honest and we are paying for it now and will be for a long time to come.
Kids these days are spoiled. Back in the good 'ol days when we all had 14.4 modems and we had to walk fifty miles in snow and ice just to pick it up. If we wanted to talk on the phone, tough luck!
Too bad today's internet sucks!
I feel like such a younggin'... I started with a 1200baud modem. I used it to connect to BBS' (no ISPs for miles around when I was a kid) on an IBM-clone 8088.
You got to use the *Serial* port? Man, you kids had all the goodies. We had to manually switch the bits using our fingers on a LOOM... and computers used to run on 10K volts back then too.
You got to use the *Serial* port? Man, you kids had all the goodies. We had to manually switch the bits using our fingers on a LOOM... and computers used to run on 10K volts back then too.
" Kids these days are spoiled. Back in the good 'ol days when we all had 14.4 modems and we had to walk fifty miles in snow and ice just to pick it up. If we wanted to talk on the phone, tough luck!
Too bad today's internet sucks!"
Ha...hell my first modem was a 900...I thought that screamed at the time. I remember upgrading to 14.4 and thinking it was the shiznit. There will be others who remember having a 300 modem.
Before too many people bag on AOL, they did do something right. They gave us unlimite
Kids these days are spoiled. Back in the good 'ol days when we all had 14.4 modems and we had to walk fifty miles in snow and ice just to pick it up. If we wanted to talk on the phone, tough luck!
14.4 modems! Why back in my day we had 1200 baud modems, and it was a shame too, because telephones hadn't even been invented yet. Just the thought of the whole family huddling around the 8086 for warmth during the depression days... brings a tear to me old eye...
Kids these days are spoiled. Back in the good 'ol days when we all had 14.4 modems and we had to walk fifty miles in snow and ice just to pick it up. If we wanted to talk on the phone, tough luck!
BAH! You yourself was spoiled! I remember hooking up to a BBS at 300baud, and my first AOL experience was on a 1200baud modem. And this was HIGH tech stuff! I remember using my 720k 5.25" floppy to store ALL my programs on, and looking at the BIG 8" floppies that fit the machine in the corner, thinking - wow
BAH! You yourself was spoiled! I remember hooking up to a BBS at 300baud
300 Baud? Talk about spoiled. That was probably on a CRT too!
We used to love the comforting sounds of a 110 baud TeleType. Ch-Thump! Ch-Thump! The Bzzzt Bzzzt Bzzzt of the 300 baud dot matrix version just wasn't quite the same, and you couldn't make it sound like a slot machine by sending a bunch of nulls to it: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Thump! Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Thump! Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Thump! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Playing music and printing pictures on the line printer --- now those were the days!
Playing music and printing pictures on the line printer --- now those were the days!
I remember doing some of that on a LP too. Infact - our computer lab was decorated with the several ASCII pictures of AL and the NCC-1701. Around Christmas every year we'd save the sides of the tractor fed paper for a few days to decorate the tree and windows. I also had a program that made the C64 floppy drive play a tune.::Sniff:: that was one of the best times of my life. No job, no women, no kids, no worries. Well
The C64 had MIDI and stereo sound and you used the slow-ass floppy drive to play music. Barbarian!
Hey, not all the time. I used to pump it to the TV. Didn't have a stereo TV, but that really didnt' seem to matter, I used to load up all sorts of MIDI files and play them. Heh, kind of the pre-MP3 machine. Had 3 seperate voices and several programmable "sprites" that made it very powerful for gaming.
I'll even admit that my favorite games are still C64 ones (like M.U.L.E.) - I still crank up the emulato
I had a 1200 baud teletype by GTE. Not so advanced as dot matrix, but rather had 120 hammers and a spinning train track of letters. Actually I liked it much better. But I guess that's what you get for getting involved with the technology at a later date.
Ahhh, the memories. Pay per minute for CServe on top of the long-distance phone call from my rural town, USA to the big city that had the nearest PoP. Thank GOD those days are gone.
My first computer was a C64 and it didn't even have internet. 300 Baud, psssh, i'd be lucky if i had any! Yet alone a hard disk. psssh, back in those days a floppy was actually floppy.
Actually, they did do something good for the Internet world. Remember that they made it the standard to charge people for access to the internet instead of charging per minute. Several smaller ISP's had the idea first, but AOL took it mainstream and did it nationwide.
This of course was humanities first encounter with busy signals and paying for service you can't actually connect to, but hey, at least they had decent intentions...:D
Instant Message excerpt when i was 15 yrs old back in 1997 (Seriously!)
My SN: Oh yeah baby that was good did you like it?
Sexychick: Yes you hunk!
My SN: You want to do this again next time? =)
Sexychick: HAHAHA You F*G I'm a guy AHAHA you loser AHAHAHA!
My SN: haha I knew that! was trying to trick you too! Hey man, this is neat, let's do this to other losers just to screw them up.....
Sexychick: shutup. bye
I remember back in the 90's everyone used AOL (version 3.0), on an old 14.4k modem, yet! I remember after a few years we bought a 56k modem for a whopping $100, but it was a huge improvement. Just shows you how quickly times can change.
As I was reading the article (something few so far seem to have done), it was mentioned that the goal of AOL Business Affairs was to get as much of the venture capital possessed by a potential "partner" as possible. This makes me wonder if, even more than poorly thought-out ideas, fancy chairs and expensive office space, AOL caused - or at least hastened - the end of the dotcom boom. If they were siphoning ridiculous amounts of money out of these new companies before they even got their businesses moving, there would clearly be little left to actually make the businesses work. While association with AOL could be an asset, wouldn't losing a third or more of the available start-up capital making the AOL deal have given executives pause?
I'd be curious to see some figures on how much of the aforementioned venture capital AOL managed to scoop up during the boom and what percentage of the total VC spent on Internet startups that number represents.
Of course, this doesn't change the fact that if people were busted out because of AOL it means the executives of the busted company were making bad decisions...but it might make even happier those on the sidelines (particularly those who got out of AOL/TW stock before the bottom dropped out and those who AOL squeezed out of business) who are now watching AOL seemingly reap what it sowed.
I think that might indeed be one of the causes. The way the story is frequently told around here, there are a few reasons all the dotcoms collapsed. First, they had zt00pid business plans that sought to increase brand awareness and generate cash flow, not look to profitability. (The joke goes something like "1. Start dotcom 2. Spend millions on building brand awareness 3. ??? 4. profit!)
Second, and somewhat related, many of the dotcoms relied on advertising dollars as their primary source of revenue. Wh
I don't know if anyone else noticed this but there is going to be a chat with the author at 1 PM EDT Monday. It'll be at http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/zforum/03/r_maga zine_klein061603.htm
No numbers about it.
I outgrew it in 1993. It was before the intArweb and everythin'!
Strange to believe that in '99 people would give away so much money to AOL... guess that was before Google.
The article is lacking fact-checking. For example, it states that by the late 90s, the business affairs unit was working out of CC4. Creative Center 4 wasn't even finished until summer of 2000.
So take it for what it's worth. I think the Sunday Post runs about $1.50.
There once was a very small company called Quantum Computer Services, running an online service for users with Commodore machines. Then there was another company called Apple who had an online service for its employees and dealers called "AppleLink", which was all graphical interface and real easy to use. They wanted something like that for the general public and thought about buying Quantum. But then they decided to go joint venture. When Apple got reorganized (something they did on a monthly basis in thes
Close, but not quite. AppleLink was only partially developed by Apple, and it was run by GE for a *VERY* hefty fee, even for Apple employees to use it. So, in order to get rid of GE, and get away from some of the idiocyncracies of AppleLink, Apple decided to write their own software. Unfortunately, about 90% of the way there, it got killed for being "outside our business," and Quantum bought the rights to the whole thing.
That's why in the early days, AOL was *VERY* Mac-centric and friendly. Often new re
And hated it. This was in 2000 on a friends old computer with the constrained face of AOL making browsing unusable.
This was also at the time when I was still working for a dotbomb. What makes me so fucking hopping mad when I read this article, and there are literally tens of thousands who feel exactly this way, is how pure, unadulterated GREED fucked up the internet economy, and with it our jobs and our lives.
The moronic waste of invested money on expensive offices, cars, gadgets and toys by people who ha
I agree, it's quite scary -- it sounds like AOL might have had a very nasty effect on startups. The article specifically mentions two companies that they killed, but there must have been many, many more...
Interestingly enough I was just thinking yesterday, what would the world be like if advertising of any form was illegal... would've saved those companies a whole lot of money, for one.
Glory Days at AOL? (Score:3, Funny)
In fact, I didn't even know they've reached tolerable!
Re:Glory Days at AOL? (Score:5, Funny)
That was true glory, not the stuff in that article...
</grandpa simpson>
Re:Glory Days at AOL? (Score:5, Funny)
Seems to be right around 2000 [yahoo.com].
Re:Glory hole at AOL? (Score:2)
I remember reading about AOL guys selling their stock and retiring in their 30s back around 1999 or 2000. The article was "why are they doing this? they must be nutty!"
I wonder what happened to those crazy kids who sold the stock and retired. Probably living on an island accessing slashdot on a homebuilt wireless.
Re:Glory Days at AOL? (Score:2)
I think they meant to say gloryhole.
Re:Glory Days at AOL? (Score:2, Funny)
+1 True.
Ah yes.... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:4, Informative)
We could do these [newnet.co.uk] of if it really bothers you join up here [nomoreaolcds.com].
These guys [anticd.org] have collected 150000+ cd's already to forward to america....
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:2)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:1)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:1)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:1)
Alternative Altoid container (Score:2, Funny)
No one will look in there to steal your Altoids.
However, the possibility of someone unknowningly throwing all your Altoids away in a fit of anti-AOL hostility is distinct.
Re:Alternative Altoid container (Score:2)
Noooooooooooooooo! My presciousessss...not the presciousess...
Re:Alternative Altoid container (Score:2)
Of course, wintergreen is the only good flavor of the damn things.
Re:Alternative Altoid container (Score:2)
And so do the Cinnamons!
Haha, but same here. Mine tend to die within a day. If I'm lucky they survive 3.
Re:Alternative Altoid container (Score:2)
No one looks in your Altoid tin to steal your weed, either. Bonus!
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:2)
Send 'em to the guys at nomoreaolcds.com [nomoreaolcds.com].
They have a goal to collect 1 million CDs. Once they reach their goal (or some subset therof), they're going to pile the CDs on some trucks, drive them across the nation in a big media spectacle, and give them back to AOL.
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:2, Funny)
Microwave the fuckers (Score:2)
Re:Ah yes.... (Score:3, Funny)
I remember when I used to get 5. I'm on a lot of mailing lists. But worth it, being I've only ever purchased one box of floppy disks since 1993!
What do you do with the cd's? Coasters!
I worked at an ISP and we had them all over, cheap and easy to replace.
But the best thing to do is to wrap a slinky [slinkytoys.com] around a can (Dr. Pepper [drpepper.com] in my case). Then use each of the openings to put cd's in. put it on top of a monitor and people won't wave there hands around in your office for fear of k
Grea story... (Score:1)
~s/Great/Non/g
Glory Holes? (Score:5, Funny)
I guess this is why there are no more glory holes at AOL.
Re:Glory Holes? (Score:1)
Re:Glory Holes? (Score:2, Insightful)
Look, people have a right to believe that homesexuality is wrong. Christians believe homosexuality is a sin, just like having sex with anyone other than your wife is a sin, just like lying is a sin.
Re:Glory Holes? (Score:2)
Surely this only "damns them from the start" if you think being "virulently anti-gay" is a bad thing...
Re:Glory Holes? (Score:2)
Deification (Score:5, Funny)
Hey. That's reserved for sysadmins.
Re:Deification (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Deification (Score:3, Funny)
Hey. That's reserved for sysadmins.
Not so. According to the infamous job description sheet:
http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Find_Your_R o le.html
(there are many versions of that sheet, with anything from executive secretaries to programmers to users being the ultimate end-point. Having dealt with executive secretaries, they're not far off the mark, they wield the most amazing power- and abuse it handily
Glory days (Score:4, Funny)
AOL is to computer culture what Little Boy was to Hiroshima.
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Re:Glory days (Score:5, Interesting)
Oh, come on! I hear stuff like this constantly, and it's just complete and total BS.
Sure, I kinda miss the days when "The Internet" was "our" thing. But you have to realize that is already over. So stop dwelling on it.
In the mean time, the Internet-boom happened. And overall this has been a good thing. It was provided us with wonderful conveniences (like web-retailers), wonderful innovations (like Java), wonderful social impact (Instant Messaging and being able to email even your grandparents in Europe), and holds in store plenty of new possibilities. We have IPv6 around the corner, imbedded systems are popping up everywhere, and wireless technologies are ushering in a whole new era of connectivity.
Without companies like AOL, we may have never seen the explosion that we have seen, and concepts that we now take for granted that enrich our lives every day may have never seen light.
We all get nostalgic sometimes, but don't go belitteling a company for "ruining" the internet as you are attempting to imply, when they may very well have been one of the most important players period in the construction of what many of us now base much of our lives around.
the internet! (Score:5, Funny)
err...wait
no...you can have it, changed me mind.. keep on hijacking it lads! Used to be we had one fuzzy channel that only ran to 10 or 11 or midnight, then went off the air and showed nifty test patterns, and programs that mostly sucked, now we have hundreds of programs that mostly suck! Now THAT's tech progress!
Not!
Radio! errr... no... wait......
Newspapers!
Movies!....uhhh... nooo.... hmmmmmm
Girls! There ya go, still exactly the same as the "good old" days! And now with even *less* clothes!
Re:the internet! (Score:1)
Re:Glory days (Score:1)
Re:Glory days (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not so much that AOL made the internet popular (as in a lot of people use it), it's that it made it 'popular' (as in the hip and trendy thing to do). This created a whole (and by now, several) internet-aware but still functionally illiterate people.
Specifically: "netspeak"
Now, if you're not typing in your native language, even some severe deviations in grammar and spelling are forgivable. Personally speaking, if I can understand what you're trying to say then that's good enough. This also applies to native speakers who make the occasional "topy" and spelling error (expecting everyone to run their text through spell and grammar check every time just isn't reasonable!)
However, since the internet became "popular" you have an entire culture of people who can't use punctuation like commas and periods, proper capitalization, can't (or won't?) use full words, (Though some "alternative spelings" are commonly acceptable - I can't see, for example, how "u" is a suitable replacement for "you"...), can't be bothered to proofread what they type (even a quick glance), and at worst can't even form coherent thoughts.
So it's not that there are more people are using the internet - that's a very good thing - it's that far too many of them can't understand why they get kicked out of chatrooms and forums for typing "hi a/s/l plz how r u k 10x lololol!!!1! u r gay ass i h4><0r j00"
=Smidge=
"I really like it when a site calls it a 'Message Board' instead of 'Forum'. 'Forum' suggests some semblence of order, respect and maturity." -braedan51
Re:Glory days (Score:3, Insightful)
This is another thing to upsets me. People that get so very upset about any sort of evolution of language.
Last time I checked, the point of language was to convey thoughts. Does it really make any difference what so ever how this is accomplished if it's
Re:Glory days (Score:2)
Not really. Although you would type faster, you would make it much harder to parse (both from a program perspective and a human perspective). There are many times when it is truely incomprehensible.
However, I've grown to just silenty dislike it rather than actually say something, so long as the person is nice enough (eg, if someone is talking trash in a game of counterstrike, I'm not above saying "atleast I can spell 'you'").
What rea
AOL is not the internet (Score:5, Interesting)
Yet, dial-up at that time could be had for 5.95 or if there wasn't much competition in your neighborhood at the time 9.95 or so while AOL wanted double that. AOL does not equal the internet-boom. They're an ISP second and a content/service provider first.
From my experience, cheap local dial-ups helped get most of the non-techies on the net a lot more than AOL and its other proprietary cousins. These non-techies fired up a browser and were off - excitied by the prospect of this web thing and email, while AOL people safely hid in their controlled chat-rooms and paid per-minute charges.
Sure the non-AOLers had to actually spend five minutes talking to tech-support to setup their modems and email clients but at least they learned a little about how their computers and modems worked, as opposed to being stuck with some proprietary software that didnt really deliver the goods regarding easy easy use until much later versions.
Now, these non-techies are somewhat savvy tech consumers and surprisingly handy with a computer and have long since moved on to broadband, while the AOL people I remember are still there on a beater 486 and still getting ripped off.
Not exactly a scientific study, but lets not overestimate AOL's influence. Those mysterious "http" things on movie commercials, that Netscape thing people keep talking about, and not having an answer to the question "Whats your email address" were probably the biggest factors in getting people online, not a voice saying, "You've got mail!"
Re:AOL is not the internet (Score:2)
Re:Glory days (Score:1)
Re:Glory days (Score:2)
AOL is to computer culture what Little Boy was to Hiroshima.
Actually, AOL was to the Internet what Fat Man was to Little Boy:
1. Second.
2. Slightly more powerful.
3. Unnecessary.
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I sometimes get CDs in DVD-type cases (Score:5, Insightful)
AOL needs to back off on the marketing. I think everyone knows who they are by now.
More versions needed. (Score:1)
Re:More versions needed. (Score:2)
Re:I sometimes get CDs in DVD-type cases (Score:2)
Re: (Score:1)
Re:I sometimes get CDs in DVD-type cases (Score:2)
Re:I sometimes get CDs in DVD-type cases (Score:1)
The point isn't that everyone knows who they are...AOL is aware that goal was acheived.
They don't want anyone to forget.
Ah, the good old days... (Score:5, Funny)
*weeps*
Re:Ah, the good old days... (Score:2, Funny)
Yesterday?
what about MY glory days? (Score:2, Funny)
bleh.
I for one (Score:2, Insightful)
Back in the days (Score:5, Funny)
Kids these days are spoiled. Back in the good 'ol days when we all had 14.4 modems and we had to walk fifty miles in snow and ice just to pick it up. If we wanted to talk on the phone, tough luck!
Too bad today's internet sucks!
Re:Back in the days (Score:2)
MadCow.
Re:Back in the days (Score:2)
That's nothing (Score:5, Funny)
Pfeh. We had to manually carry our packets through the snow and hand-deliver them to the other computer(s). Didn't even have "baud."
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
Pfeh. We had to manually carry our packets through the snow and hand-deliver them to the other computer(s). Didn't even have "baud."
Pfeh. You had hands!?
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
Re:That's nothing (Score:2)
You had fingers!?
Re:Back in the days (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Back in the days (Score:1)
14.4 modems! Why back in my day we had 1200 baud modems, and it was a shame too, because telephones hadn't even been invented yet. Just the thought of the whole family huddling around the 8086 for warmth during the depression days... brings a tear to me old eye...
Re:Back in the days (Score:3, Insightful)
BAH! You yourself was spoiled! I remember hooking up to a BBS at 300baud, and my first AOL experience was on a 1200baud modem. And this was HIGH tech stuff! I remember using my 720k 5.25" floppy to store ALL my programs on, and looking at the BIG 8" floppies that fit the machine in the corner, thinking - wow
Re:Back in the days (Score:4, Funny)
300 Baud? Talk about spoiled. That was probably on a CRT too!
We used to love the comforting sounds of a 110 baud TeleType. Ch-Thump! Ch-Thump! The Bzzzt Bzzzt Bzzzt of the 300 baud dot matrix version just wasn't quite the same, and you couldn't make it sound like a slot machine by sending a bunch of nulls to it: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Thump! Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Thump! Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Thump! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Playing music and printing pictures on the line printer --- now those were the days!
Re:Back in the days (Score:1)
I remember doing some of that on a LP too. Infact - our computer lab was decorated with the several ASCII pictures of AL and the NCC-1701. Around Christmas every year we'd save the sides of the tractor fed paper for a few days to decorate the tree and windows. I also had a program that made the C64 floppy drive play a tune.
Re:Back in the days (Score:2)
Hey, not all the time. I used to pump it to the TV. Didn't have a stereo TV, but that really didnt' seem to matter, I used to load up all sorts of MIDI files and play them. Heh, kind of the pre-MP3 machine. Had 3 seperate voices and several programmable "sprites" that made it very powerful for gaming.
I'll even admit that my favorite games are still C64 ones (like M.U.L.E.) - I still crank up the emulato
Re:Back in the days (Score:2)
I had a 1200 baud teletype by GTE. Not so advanced as dot matrix, but rather had 120 hammers and a spinning train track of letters. Actually I liked it much better. But I guess that's what you get for getting involved with the technology at a later date.
Friends don't let friends surf at 110 baud.
Re:Back in the days (Score:2)
Compuserve.
300 baud
71660,2120 was my signon as I recall.
Ahhh, the memories. Pay per minute for CServe on top of the long-distance phone call from my rural town, USA to the big city that had the nearest PoP. Thank GOD those days are gone.
ER
Re:Back in the days (Score:2)
I like it (Score:1)
Stuff written in this sort of style really draws you into the stories a lot better than dry reports on msnbcnn.
I loved "Inside Intel" too, and "Hackers" by Steven Levy.
The best bit in the article is right at the start, with the rabbis praying for stock to rise.
graspee
Well (Score:5, Interesting)
This of course was humanities first encounter with busy signals and paying for service you can't actually connect to, but hey, at least they had decent intentions...
-kalle
the glory days, like when... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:the glory days, like when... (Score:2)
I remember..... (Score:4, Funny)
tacky.... (Score:1)
IMHO... (Score:2)
Firewire Hard Drives
Sony memory sticks
Until then they're just an A.O.K. intro to this "internet thing". Of course, I hope their users graduate eventually... =/
Painful Memories (Score:3, Funny)
My SN: Oh yeah baby that was good did you like it?
Sexychick: Yes you hunk!
My SN: You want to do this again next time? =)
Sexychick: HAHAHA You F*G I'm a guy AHAHA you loser AHAHAHA!
My SN: haha I knew that! was trying to trick you too! Hey man, this is neat, let's do this to other losers just to screw them up.....
Sexychick: shutup. bye
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The Good Old Days (Score:1)
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Another similar book (Score:3, Informative)
Glory Days of AOL (Score:1)
I think that was the last time they were respected...
The Good 'Ol AOL Usenet Days (Score:4, Insightful)
Truthfully, the quality of posts from AOL accounts more than anything else kept me away from their service.
How many rabis does it take.... (Score:1)
The Coffee Guy (Score:3, Funny)
Did AOL Cause The Dotcom Depression? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd be curious to see some figures on how much of the aforementioned venture capital AOL managed to scoop up during the boom and what percentage of the total VC spent on Internet startups that number represents.
Of course, this doesn't change the fact that if people were busted out because of AOL it means the executives of the busted company were making bad decisions...but it might make even happier those on the sidelines (particularly those who got out of AOL/TW stock before the bottom dropped out and those who AOL squeezed out of business) who are now watching AOL seemingly reap what it sowed.
Re:Did AOL Cause The Dotcom Depression? (Score:2)
Second, and somewhat related, many of the dotcoms relied on advertising dollars as their primary source of revenue. Wh
Chat with the Author (Score:4, Interesting)
Damn, and to think I had the 'blloyd@aol.com' addy (Score:2, Interesting)
Take it with a grain of salt (Score:2)
So take it for what it's worth. I think the Sunday Post runs about $1.50.
-Todd
What most people won't know: (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:What most people won't know: (Score:2)
That's why in the early days, AOL was *VERY* Mac-centric and friendly. Often new re
Used AOL exactly once (Score:2)
This was also at the time when I was still working for a dotbomb. What makes me so fucking hopping mad when I read this article, and there are literally tens of thousands who feel exactly this way, is how pure, unadulterated GREED fucked up the internet economy, and with it our jobs and our lives.
The moronic waste of invested money on expensive offices, cars, gadgets and toys by people who ha
Re:AOL (Score:2)
AOL = AOL Old Ladies???
Re:AOL (Score:2, Funny)
*shrugs*
Re:I knew they were evil... (Score:2)
Finally, someone who read the article :-)
I agree, it's quite scary -- it sounds like AOL might have had a very nasty effect on startups. The article specifically mentions two companies that they killed, but there must have been many, many more...
Interestingly enough I was just thinking yesterday, what would the world be like if advertising of any form was illegal... would've saved those companies a whole lot of money, for one.