Back to the Trees 169
circletimessquare writes "This story should excite the nerd in anyone. Build a luxury treehouse! The New York Times reports on an entire subculture devoted to an idea which sounds funny at first... but really, why not? Much serious discussion in the article about the technical considerations involved in treehouse construction. Also mention of 'treesorts' at the bottom of the article (one being called 'Lothlorien Woods Hide-a-way' lol). I hunted down some links to two of the big players mentioned in the article, TreeHouse Workshop Inc. and the World Treehouse Conference. No mention as to whether or not they support Banyan VINES (sorry, I couldn't resist)."
Argh! Not VINES .... (Score:3, Funny)
I really didn't need that flashback
I see horrible memories of BeyondSnail and IM III......
Yikes.
device=c:\banyan\protman.dos
@echo off
c:\banyan\e2131
ban
bind
yikes
Re:windows crap == not impressive (Score:2)
That's DOS shit.
And like I said, it was many years ago. And paid the bills then.
These days, I'm enlightened. I'm a Unix admin by day, a Unix (Mac OS X) user at night.
Re:windows crap == not impressive (Score:2)
As for Winders 3.1; no, it certainly wasn't Winders 3.1 stuff. Winders was simply another application that ran on top of DOS. What I mentioned above were DOS drivers and executables; none of it was Winders-based....
There was a Winders 3.x Banyan client at the time, but we found it to be such a POS that we didn't use it... we just stuck with the same stuff that had been working for years
Somehow I doubt Warner Music is still using Banyan these days
--NBVB
Slashdotted (Score:3, Funny)
reminds me (Score:1, Offtopic)
mmmmmm Reliving one's youth (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:mmmmmm Reliving one's youth (Score:3, Funny)
Re:mmmmmm Reliving one's youth (Score:1)
Re:mmmmmm Reliving one's youth (Score:1)
Re:mmmmmm Reliving one's youth (Score:2)
I would think that if unfriendly neighbors were underneath while you're seeing a man about a horse, it'd serve them right.
Hmmm.... (Score:5, Insightful)
I mean, you're basically building on something that rots. And is high up. This doesn't seem like something I would do, be it just for a cottage or something fun, or be it a house or hotel. Plus, trees get knocked over quite often; hurricanes, theunderstorms, gales, snow, etc.
Also, it seems one of these would be a massive lightning rod, if you were to wire it.
As cool as it sounds, it just doesn't seem like such a great idea. Kind of like using lighter fluid to shoot tennis balls out of coke cans. Not that I've ever done that...
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:5, Funny)
I say sue 'em and sue 'em good.
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:2)
Yeah, that's great. Make everyone equal by stopping non-disabled people from doing something they like.
Do you think swimming pool owners should be sued if they don't provide flotation devices for wheelchairs too?
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:1)
Very handy, but why cap them?
Re:Boy are you folks off base... (Score:4, Informative)
I'm surprized at you. I would think that comments would be slightly more positive on this topic.
As to the issues raised I can directly address some of them.
First - I have actually stayed in one of the treehouses in question. Quite a pleasant experience actually.
Second - I am disabled and partnered with a service dog (Ted).
http://www.treehouses.com/treehouse/treesort/ho
The treehouse was the peacock lodge. So named for the incredibly detailed carved wooden door. It was quite posh, having electricity, running water and a dorm sized refrigerator. We stayed in late October/early November(post season actually) Overnight temps ran to the mid teens(F). Ted & I were quite cozy.
As to the engineering, these folks are for the most part professionals and their engineering is top drawer and very well documented. Michael has had numerous run ins with the local planning commission and has prevailed primarirly because his structures are over engineered. If you closely examine the links in this story you'll find that Micheal freely uses Outriggers (Poles supporting the outer edges of the structure).
As to the handicapped issue - Michael's resort is not in any way handicapped accessible (although someone with a limited mobility disabilty such as myself can manage quite well) Due to a restrictive county goverment Michael is not allowed to rent lodging in the treehouses to the general public at large, only to friends and family. (Michael - while a bit gruff, is really quite easy to make friends with). Clearly putting the ADA burden squarely on the shoulders of the local goverment. Also these structures are more like private residences than a multi unit structure such as a hotel and as such would be exempt from ADA (as I understand it) in much the same way you and I are not required to have handicapped accessible ramps in installed in our homes.
As to the general question about the tree(s) themselves - Tree selection is a critical part of the pre-build engineering. Some trees are simply not suitable. Those that are are strongly rooted and in generally grow up and out not around, particuliarily at the site selected for structure supports. Also a technique developed by these folks allows for an ingeneous free floating support. These folks LOVE trees. Their second order of business is to protect and care for the trees themselves. The first order of business is safety of their structures. Something rather reassuring when you realize that some of their structures are built as high as one hundred and twenty-five feet off the ground.
As the general question of accessibility - several treehouses have been built with some kind of an elevator. Nor is it strictly a requirement that such an arrangement be neccessary. Take a close look at Disney's Swiss Family Robinson treehouse. Access can be arranged via a ramp from a nearby ridge for example.
Now as to the question of a Network connection. I have personal knowledge of at least two people who are using WiFi in their treehouses. One has wired their treehouse for electricity and the other uses a battery powered laptop.
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:1)
Plus, trees get knocked over quite often; hurricanes, theunderstorms, gales, snow, etc.
Are "theunderstorms" linked to theunderdogs [theunderdogs.org] in any way? ;)
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:2)
Not that I'm touchy... =p
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:2)
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:5, Funny)
Perhaps a tad more risky (Score:5, Informative)
As for weather, it sounds like they only build these in areas with mild weather. Although, I will grant you, even in San Francisco we will occasionally get a wind storm that will uproot a bunch of trees. Maybe the weight of the house makes the tree harder to uproot? I would think it would do the opposite by raising the center of gravity, but I'm not sure.
Re:Perhaps a tad more risky (Score:2)
If you knew the conditions a tree has lived its life under -- never too badly stressed by drought or disease, and watered well away from the main trunk so it sends out lots of big roots -- then it should be reasonably safe. If not -- you're taking your chances.
Montana has much worse windstorms than California, yet big trees in Montana very seldom go over in the wind. Why? 1) Not usually exposed to prolonged drought. 2) Not overwatered the way California yards often are.
Re: (Score:1)
Re:Hmmm.... (Score:2)
When I was a kid, we built a two-story treehouse in my aunt's treepatch. It was in a Russian Olive which is a slow-growing durable tree with very stiff limbs, tho not very big (but with lots of nasty spines!) Had both trapdoor and over-the-side ladder access, and a roof of sorts. Sturdy enough that 5 kids didn't make it wobble, and stayed intact for several years even tho it was built entirely from scrap wood and used nails (in fact, til someone decided to clean out the tree patch).
Sorry. (Score:5, Funny)
Apology DECLINED.
Re:Sorry. (Score:2)
i thought i chose the lesser of two evils
Coz Marky Mark sucks (Score:1, Offtopic)
"And the world was run by DAMN DIRTY APES!"
Heston is da bomb yo!
Re:Coz Marky Mark sucks (Score:1)
heston is not "da bomb." have you seen "bowling for columbine"?
Re:Coz Marky Mark sucks (Score:2)
Michael Moore is an idiot, and a piss-poor excuse for a human being [newsmax.com].
The major problem with tree houses. (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:The major problem with tree houses. (Score:1)
Re:The major problem with tree houses. (Score:2)
Concreet? Mabey? Graduadually?!?!
Please tell me you have some kind of dyslexic type disorder - I know high school drop-outs with better spelling skills than what you are exhibiting.
They don't use nails (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:They don't use nails (Score:1)
But are they self-sealing stembolts?
Super Idea! (Score:3, Offtopic)
Hellooooo Lightning Storms!
Seriously, what kind of home-owner's insurance do you have to pay living up in a big tree? Rotting? Fires? Freak elephant attacks?
Re:Super Idea! (Score:2)
All of those apply to other buildings as well.
Re:Super Idea! (Score:2, Funny)
Mwuaha (Score:1)
Glorified Treehouse of Old (Score:2)
Handicapped... (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Handicapped... (Score:5, Funny)
One word: trebuchet.
Re:Handicapped... (Score:2)
Try googling for siege engines [google.com]...
Re:Handicapped... (Score:1)
Re:Handicapped... (Score:1)
My parents recently sold their old house, but the buyers were renting it for several years before they purchased it. So, we went there occasionally to inspect it and make sure everything was okay.
The new owners had turned the house into an "assisted living"-type arrangement for people with mental handicaps, some of which were also physically handicapped. As such, they had to have a ramp into the place. It never occured to me before, but every entrance had several steps to get to the door.
So, the new residents built this HUGE ramp out of the back door and across the lawn to accomodate those in wheel chairs. It crossed the entire width of the lawn and ended at the driveway. There's a limit on the inclination, and I think they had to get to the height of about 6 steps, so the net result was a long ramp, with a couple 90-degree turns in it.
I'd hate to think what it would look like if it had to go even higher than that...
--RJ
Re:Handicapped... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Handicapped... (Score:2)
Which makes you wonder... if a treehouse owner fell out of their tree and nobody was around to hear their cries of 'Help! I've fallen, and I can't get up!'.... would they make any sound?
How do you make one of these handicapped accessible?
It needs one of them red buttons, commonly found in hospital restrooms, one foot off the ground, marked "Emergency. Press button for assistance." =)
Treehouses (Score:1, Interesting)
Back to Chesterton (Score:4, Interesting)
Reminds me of G. K. Chesterton's short story "The Singular Speculation of the House-Agent" from "The Club of Queer Trades". A character (Lieutenant Drummond Keith) is involved in a scuffle and disappears. He has left his address as "The Elms, Buxton Common, near Purley, Surrey", but when some aquaintances go to look, there is no house of that name. The hero of the series, Basil Grant, then goes along and finds him in a tree-house in an Elm tree on Buxton Common. He then has the great line:
"The second [thing] is to remember that very plain literal fact always seems fantastic. If Keith had taken a little brick box of a house in Clapham with nothing but railings in front of it and had written 'The Elms' over it, you wouldn't have thought there was anything fantastic about that. Simply because it was a great blaring, swaggering lie you would have believed it.'
Project Gutenburg has the book [upenn.edu]
Re:Back to Chesterton (Score:2)
I didn't have a treehouse (Score:3, Funny)
Oh, and I used to keep a tent setup in my backyard in case I stumbled home drunk at 3 am and I didn't want my parents to catch me. Does that count?
"Back to the trees"? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:"Back to the trees"? (Score:2)
Forget the treehouse... (Score:4, Interesting)
Now, all I need is sharks with fricking laser beams attached to their heads, and my plan for world domination will be complete!
Already Covered on /. (Score:1)
Been there, done that... (Score:5, Interesting)
If you ever find/buy a dormant volcano, contact me and/or my brother, and we'll build you the undergound volcano fortress. We got the architectural blueprints already...
Anyhow, in an attempt to make sure that this post isn't ranked as a troll or flame-bait, I'll point out the story of the wolf and the three pigs who made their houses out of straw, wood, and brick. Better to make your house out of brick/stone than out of a treehouse, it seems to me...
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:4, Insightful)
Obviously, your target market is not Muggles/Sleepers/Luddites then. If you want to sell it, put it up for what you think it should be worth and advertise it where people of a like mind will see the advertisement. That's not the sort of house that will attract the average Joe, but the real target audience will know the benefits of the home and how much it would cost to build.
In fact, treat the appraisal as a tax-treat. Obviously, the taxes will be less. The only problem I can see is insuring for the actual cost of reconstruction in case of disaster.
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:2)
The biggest problem, however, is that there is no market for underground houses, because Muggles/Sleepers/Luddites
Part of the problem may that you treat people like crap (stop reading Harry Potter and start living a real life) that don't agree with you that living undergound like a goddamned mole person sucks (Mental Note: People like sun light, and no matter how many windows you have in your ceiling it probably isn't enough).
the best real-estate appraisal we can get is about $100K
I'd say its for more reasons that being listed as a "basement house". No matter how safe it is, people just don't want to live underground. Hence "Market Price".
Your analogy of the 3 pigs is kind of off. I may be a little drunk but it seems to me that most houses built of wood don't fall down. Maybe 1 out of a couple of thousand in the US. And of those 75% is from fire which is usually the people living theres fault.
If you want to live in a hobbit hole thats fine, but christ, don't bitch because the house isn't worth anything to anyone else. There are reasons people don't live in glorified caves anymore.
Re:Been there, done that... (Score:2)
So, I actually wound up going to the University of Chicago, and wound up working at the Enrico Fermi Institute [uchicago.edu], which happens to also be the home of the Laboratory of Advanced Space Research [uchicago.edu]. Well, at the same time, I began stopping by the RPG groups, and I found that nobody would touch AD&D or Palladium systems with a 10 foot pole. All the student gaming groups were pretty much strictly Mage, Vampire, or Legend of the Five Rings groups.
So, I played alot of VRAdept characters, which is a fairly good archtype and job description of modern-day molecular chemists and nuclear engineers. Along the way, I learned how to operate stereo-visualization equipment (VR goggles, VRML), turing machines (TMML), AI constructs (Lisp programming), etc. etc. Anyhow, somewhere along the way, I wound up helping the astrophysics department build a nuclear powered satellite...
And that is the connection to the VoidEngineer of the M:tA.
FYI, I've been playing M:tA for about 5 years now, and it's now definately my RPG of choice.
Anyhow, in M:tA game terms, chantry and artifact construction might be described along the following lines (but it's just a concept for narrative building, so please take this with a grain of salt):
Nuclear Fallout Chantry
Spheres: Forces 5, Matter 5, Prime 5, Correspondence 5, Entropy 5, Time 5
Requires: ResistAtomicForce, EarthWorks, GridTelecomunications, ResistAtomicEntropy, DeepTimePlanning
TreeHouse Chantry
Spheres: Forces 2, Matter 4, Prime 5, Entropy 2, Time 2
Requires: ResistStorm, BonzaiSculpting, ResistWarping, ResistRot
Nuclear Powered Satellite
Spheres: Forces 5, Matter 5, Prime 5, Entropy 2, Time 2, Correspondence 4
Requires: ThermoNuclearFuelCell, Plutonium, ResistSpaceDebris, AtomicSynchronization, SatelliteTelecommunications
Re:Forget the treehouse... (Score:1)
Re:Forget the treehouse... (Score:2)
But really... (Score:1, Redundant)
Treehouses no more? (Score:1)
Yeah, I'm drunk alright..
Plumbing nightmare (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Plumbing nightmare (Score:2)
Ok, if you are actually going to spring for indoor plumbing (read: A place to poop), how are you going to get it there?
First off, the water line up to the treehouse doesn't have to be more than a 1/4" or 1/2" PVC run.. You could use a vacuum pump on top, or a booster pump below.... depends if you want to "pull" the water up or "push" it..
What if the tree tips over and fecal matter starts shooting everywhere?
Well, if you're dumb enough to try and build a septic tank into your treehouse you deserve what you get. If you're referring to the removal procedure, sewer lines are typically gravity fed. You'd be crazy as a loon to pressurize that line.
Being more a country mouse at heart (Score:3, Interesting)
Looook Out Belooow (Score:1, Funny)
AC
MY treehouse (Score:4, Interesting)
-It had twin skylights (made from a storm door),
-The walls were made from the giant political sign they would put up in vacant lots around town. (basically just particle board),
-we had two full rooms AND
-a small porch where we could sit and look over the "valley" (there was a stream nearby, just down the hill).
-A full size door connected the two rooms, and the front room had a window.
-we also had a rope swing off the porch which was WAY cool.
it was roughly 6 feet off the ground (the tree we built it on was one of those three-trunked varieties, kinda strange.)
Needless to say, some punk kids found it like 6 months later and trashed it... of course our craftsmanship was so good, all they really did was smash out the windows!
oh well, good times.
~Matt
What about (Score:2)
Re:What about (Score:1)
My next door neighbour and I built a really kickass treehouse when we were like 10. It helped his father was a master carpenter, of course. It was pretty much framed and wired (electricity) to code, but the 2 outlets we had were wired to a extension-cord plug, and we buried an underground cable across the backyard and into the trees, where an outdoor outlet was. We'd plug in the treehouse as needed (not being legal to hardwire it)
We spliced a cable off of the roof antenna of his house (cable TV didnt reach us), and had our brand new 8 bit NES and a 13" color TV out there.
About 3 or 4 years later my friends and I decided my neighbour was a dickhead so we knocked the whole thing down.
It was pretty cool while it lasted, though.
treehouse offenders (Score:1, Interesting)
Real Deal (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Real Deal (Score:2)
No need to call in contractors and get permits, etc
That's why a 6.8 earthquake in China kills thousands, and a 6.8 quake in Seattle killed nobody.
As much as I dislike the hassle of dealing with government beurocracy and regulation, I realize that when it comes to building codes, they are there for a reason.
Re:Real Deal (Score:2)
BTW, see also missouritrailertrash.com, for examples of stuff like a trailer with one end on pylons as tall as a telephone pole, and two-story trailers. No tree-trailers yet, AFAIK.
Re:Real Deal (Score:2)
Just wait for the next tornado to blow through...
Re:Real Deal (Score:2)
Honeymoon gone bad (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Honeymoon gone bad (Score:1)
The house we bought 5 years ago had a nice big willow with a treehouse built in it. My 7-yr old was delighted, and had lots of fun climbing into it and playing and what not. He kept asking me if he could sleep out there. I hesitated, worrying about wildlife (we live on the edge of a preserve, there were often droppings of some sort in and around the treehouse) and such, but eventually gave in with the condition that I'd need to be there to keep an eye on things.
Sure enough, we had visits from the local racoons that came to check us out. No real problem, they scampered away at the first sound we made. Next morning was a different story though. The ants had found us. I don't normally get bothered by bugs. Spiders, ants, whathaveyou -- no problem (mind, I'm not too fond of earwigs or silverfish, but I don't freak out). But, waking up to find zillions of little black crawly things all over your sleeping bag is a different story.
Re:Honeymoon gone bad (Score:2, Interesting)
Nope. (Score:1)
Too bad we don't have this in Europe (Score:1)
Be sure to pick the right tree (Score:1)
100mbit mirror (Score:1)
Fresh Prince of Belair (Score:1)
The Will Smith quip was when someone else got into the treehouse and asked if there was a toilet in there.. and he said.. 'yeah, third door on the right down the corridor'.
Tangent - interesting idea (Score:2, Interesting)
A lot of questions, and a lot of unknowns, but - like the space elevator - I think we may find it within our reach in our lifetimes.
Treehouse in Hawaii (Score:4, Interesting)
Grow a luxury treehouse... (Score:2, Interesting)
Seemed like a good idea to me at the time. The only problem with the trees in the book was that sometimes toilets would sprout in the middle of beds and digest people in their sleep.
And the elevator... (Score:2, Funny)
Oof. (Score:1)
The question is, am I the only 18-year-old who got it?
Re:Oof. (Score:2)
-dk
Padding (Score:2, Funny)
OT: Underground Housing - A Better Choice (Score:3, Insightful)
Australia's Coober Pedy (in South Australia)
has a large number of underground homes.
Even closer to the exclusive Adelaide Hills
we found some underground houses.
The obvious advantages are:
- low heating costs &
- low cooling costs
In short, a very energy-efficient home form
Coupled with a solar hot water system,
a fuel cell or wind-power system & a
quiet air circulation system (out with CO2
& radon gas; in with oxygen-rich air,
possibly full of nice local fragrances),
this type of house really rocks, especially
if it's built into a hillside, so you have
a terrific view out your front viewport...
Swiss Family Robinson (Score:2, Insightful)
this could be a cool way to spend your birthday.
Re:Swiss Family Robinson (Score:2)
Most kids today never get to climb a tree, let alone build a treehouse (even if it's just two boards nailed across two handy limbs).
lexan roof? (Score:3, Insightful)
Would be awesome during thunderstorms....especially if you happen to have a significant other in there with you.
Re:lexan roof? (Score:2)
Rename my daughter Luthien (Score:2)
(if you don't get it, you need to read more Tolkien
Suspension (Score:2)
With a tree you get the central load-bearing structure, and the branches for free.
What about the trees? (Score:4, Funny)
Holy Book Excerpt (Score:2)
For Jonny Brock and Clare Gorst
and all other Arlingtonians
for tea, sympathy, and a sofa
Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.
This planet has-or rather had-a problem, which was this: most of the people on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.
And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches.
Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.
And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, one girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.
Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it, a terribly stupid catastrophe occurred, and the idea was lost forever.
This is not her story.