Build Your Own Monorail 184
jpatokal writes "Building your own roller coaster may be fun, but how about something a little more practical -- like a monorail in your back yard? Kim Petersen designed his from scratch, building the elevated track from wood, scavenging the engine from a motorized walker and handcrafting the train from sheet metal. Total cost: $4000! See the photo tour and the construction history."
Monorail (Score:1, Funny)
Don't let Homer Simpson drive it!
Re:Possums included? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Possums included? (Score:2)
Re:Monorail (Score:1)
"Donuts... is there anything they can't do?"
Cracks me up every time.
Build it...then blow it up. (Score:2)
Re:Monorail (Score:1)
Aaah, the Simpsons haven't been the same since Conan O'Brien stopped writing for them. Who else could come up with stuff like this?
C'mon people.... (Score:1)
Re:C'mon people.... (Score:5, Funny)
Rail building materials: $4,000
Roses to sooth diplomatic relations with your wife: $100
Being the coolest dad on your block: Priceless
Re:once more, this time with rhythm... (Score:2)
But yeah... coolest dad on the block points works for me; now all I need are a wife, kids, and a gigantic back yard.
/Brian
Re:C'mon people.... (Score:2)
Maybe because it's ... what's the word ... "fun"?
Just because it's something you wouldn't consider fun to research, design, build, and finally ride, doesn't mean others wouldn't. I'd love something like this.
The bragging rights alone make this endeavour worth the effort :)
Re:C'mon people.... (Score:2)
To cite someone who built his own jet engine (iirc that was a Slashdot story some time ago as well): "If you have to ask, you will never understand."
I guess it's like building your own operating system or other such crazy ideas.
Re:C'mon people.... WRONG!!! (Score:1)
Mirror (Score:2, Informative)
Um, say what? (Score:5, Funny)
More practical?
More practical for someone who needs a tram in their backyard? K.
What would be more practical for the referenced site is a webserver than handle more than 5 hits per hour.
Re:Um, say what? (Score:2)
I'd rather put a runway or a race track in my backyard, but I think I'll try a shed first.
"You been wackin' in my tool-shed again, boy?" -- Hank Hill, B&B.
Re:Um, say what? (Score:2)
The money might be better spent... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:The money might be better spent... (Score:5, Funny)
>...fixing the potholes
Fixing potholes? Bah. That'll never put Ogdenville, North Haverbrook, or Brockway on the map. Sheesh.
Some people.
-l
The kids can call me "Ho-Ju"!
Re:The money might be better spent... (Score:2)
Insurance (Score:4, Insightful)
How Appropriate... (Score:2, Funny)
[Lyle Lanley] Well sir, there's nothin' on earth like a genuine, bonafide, electrified, six-car monorail! What'd I say?
[Ned Flanders] Monorail!
[Lyle] What's it called?
[Patty & Selma] Monorail!
[Lyle] That's right, monorail!
[All chant] Monorail, monorail, monorail...
[Ms Hoover] I hear those things are awfully loud!
[Lyle] It glides as softly as a cloud!
[Apu] Is there a chance the track could bend?
[Lyle] Not on your life, my Hindu friend!
[Barney] What about us braindead slobs?
[Lyle] You'll be given cushy jobs!
[Grandpa] Were you sent here by the devil?
[Lyle] No, good sir, I'm on the level.
[Chief Wiggum] The ring came off my pudding can.
[Lyle] Take my pen knife, my good man!
I swear it's Springfield's only choice;
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
Monorail!
What's it called?
Monorail!
Once again!
Monorail!
[Marge] But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
[Bart] Sorry, mom, the mob has spoken!
[All] Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
[Homer] Mono- d'oh!
Re:How Appropriate... (Score:1, Redundant)
I believe Conan O'Brian wrote that episode too.
Ah, Brian Regan. Classic. (Score:4, Funny)
[teacher]: Brian, tell me the plural of ox, and use it in a sentence.
[brian]: Uh, oxen. I saw a herd of oxen.
[teacher]: Good. Now try "box."
[brian]: Boxen. I ate two boxen of doughnuts.
[teacher]: No Brian, it's boxes. Let's try another one. What's the plural of goose?
[brian]: Geese. I saw a flock of geese.
[teacher]: Good. Now how about "moose?"
[brian]: Mee... MOOSEN! I saw a flock of moosen! There were many much moosen! They were in the woodses--woodsen! They were eatinen the foodeninen!
[teacher]: Brian, you're an imbecile.
[brian]: Imbecilen!
(transcribed from memory. probably lots of mistakes)
Re:How Appropriate... (Score:2)
"Unices". Perfectly acceptable. I've been known to use the term "Linuces" as well, but I doubt that's common usage.
"Boxen" is considered silly, but used. I do believe, however, that "VAXen" is not considered incorrect, though it's not the only term.
/Brian
Re:How Appropriate... (Score:1)
Sorry...
Zoning etc? (Score:3, Interesting)
Depends on the city (Score:2)
Some cities regulate just about everything you could possibly do. That includes permits for decks, patios, sidewalks, trees, etc. It gets rather insane and annoying at times--but this typically is only done in those subdivisions were they want everything to look "similar".
Most cities, though, don't care much. I have a 15' easement from the road--I cannot build any permanent structures there. After that 15', though, I can build right up to the property line on either side towards my neighbors or all the way back to my fenceline. In the country, things get even more relaxed--you can build just about anything and it's not a problem. Sometimes you are limited to the size you can build a barn without a special permit--but that's generally the worst of it.
Of course, if I were to do something like this 3m in the air, it would look rather odd around here. Folks don't even have plush gardens. Nope, around here it's mostly just folks who have a deck, a tree or two, a fence, and grass. A monorail in my backyard would the the talk of the city for years.
Re:Depends on the city (Score:1)
Actually, much of this is done in the codes, convenants, and restrictions (CCRs) that one has to sign when buying property in the subdivision. The CCRs are considered a contract, so violations are handled according to the procedures stated in the document -- usually a fine paid to the homeowner's association, or a lien placed on the property if the fine isn't paid.
Re:Depends on the city (Score:1)
Sometimes over crazy little stupid violations.
Home owner's associations are dangerous - they can take your home.
Plus they often try to enforce racial (and other forms of) discrimination.
P4 Speed (Score:1)
Re:P4 Speed (Score:1)
That guy is pretty brave (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course the guy with a roller coaster was much more brave. His creation would do loops and stuff and looked much less solid.
Re:That guy is pretty brave (Score:1)
/.ed already.... (Score:2, Informative)
Here's [216.239.51.100] the google cache.
And in case you don't trust an anonymous post:
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:colgaaDa9r
Mr Snrub! (Score:2, Funny)
Monorail time... just watch the Simpsons quotes roll in!
Creative (Score:2)
But, who gets you down from there if your train gets stuck? I dont see any ladders around. Rope ladder maybe?
What is this thing powerred by? Human-power, electric?
P.S. Bah, the site seems to be
This is on the wrong site! (Score:3, Funny)
This is more of a shelbyville.org story
In case of emergency... er... slashdotting... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:In case of emergency... er... slashdotting... (Score:1)
-Joe
Host of monorails.org
Tim the Tooooolman TAYLOR!! (Score:3, Funny)
http://www.monorails.org/webpix%202/nmt10.JPG
From the Monorail Simpsons episode... (Score:5, Funny)
Nimoy: I'd say this vessel could do at least Warp Five.
[appreciative laughter from the crowd]
Quimby: And let me say, ``May the Force Be With You!''
Nimoy: [annoyed] Do you even know who I am?
Quimby: [indignant] I think I do. Weren't you one of the Little Rascals?
Re:From the Monorail Simpsons episode... (Score:1)
rm -rf
I like this better:
cat
Killing him makes him a martyr. Blocking the wind from his sails (which could be achieved with a change in U.S. foreign policy) is the way to go.
Re:From the Monorail Simpsons episode... (Score:1)
[crowd cheers]
Barry White: I now celebrate the start of
Quimby: It's the day where the townsfolk kill snakes with clubs.
Barry: My god! [points at crowd] You people make me sick!
[crowd cheers]
Barry: Are they even listening to me?
Quimby: I, uh, don't think so.
Gentlemen, start your whacking!
Re:your sig (Score:1)
crwxrwxrwx 1 mullahomar alqaeda
Other railroads nearby (Score:5, Informative)
Also nearby is the Redwood Valley Railroad [redwoodvalleyrailway.com], which is in slightly larger scale than the monorail and runs half-scale steam trains. Redwood Valley has quite a layout, with a roundhouse, turntable, sidings, bridges, and tunnels.
Niles was once the Western terminus of the first transcontinental railroad. So there's much railroad history there.
Maglev.. (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Maglev.. (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Maglev.. (Score:2)
Maglev would be fun, but let's be honest about this: you'd be doing it for hack value only, because the ride wouldn't much be worth the trouble. The monorail is pretty cool, but I suspect it would get pretty old quickly (maybe build a station at the garage and the pool it would be worth it?
/Brian
funny $%^ (Score:2)
Just imagine the real estate ad when the guy tries to sell the place: "3 bedroom, 2 baths, large kitchen, livingroom, backyard with pool, surrounded by a large garden, and a wooden monorail track which circles the house. Perfect for getting from the basketball court to the pool. It may take longer than walking, but it's fun!"
JFK airport monorail (Score:1)
Re:JFK airport monorail (Score:1)
Re:JFK airport monorail (Score:1)
Pics of the type of track you'll see:
http://www.trackwalker.ca/Skytrain/206xover2.htm [trackwalker.ca]
http://www.trackwalker.ca/Skytrain/trmaint2.htm [trackwalker.ca]
A link that explains the technology:i n/ [railway-technology.com]
http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/airtra
It's the same technology as the Scarborough SRT (Toronto), Vancouver Skytrain, Detroit PeopleMover, and several systems in Asia like Bangkok.
Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
The monorail line will be run by a separate agency, but transfers between the two lines will be simple. The light rail line and monorail line will complement each other.
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:2)
(1) They're already seriously overbudget, and still not one foot of rail has been put down...
(2) They're limited by geography... Seattle (and the Puget Sound, which they'll have to serve if they're to cut the traffic problems- Second only to Los Angeles) is actually made up of both peninsulae and islands, varying from extremely steep hills down to marshlands and rivers...
(3) They're also limited by the NIMBY factor, nobody wants "noise" or the possibility that their cul de sacs could have outsiders passing through their neighborhoods...
(4) Along the same lines, the reason most existing subway systems are successful (and underground) is due to the fact that the city governments in the early 1900s could get away with literally tearing up whole miles of roadways and waterworks without the consent of their constituents...
(5) Most importantly: The Puget Sound (like most of Washington state) are *earthquake* zones, requiring several million dollars more in structural reinforcement, permits and inspections to ensure the tunnels don't collapse... The Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) is the safest subway in the world, but the citizens of the bay area paid a heavy price for it's construction... Same story applies for the subway system built in Los Angeles...
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
The name's Lanley. Lyle Lanley.
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
some basic math (with VERY generous assumptions)
60,000 riders X 365 d/yr = 21,900,000 fares/year
assume 40 year lifetime of monorail
no repairs, no maintance costs, no employees to pay, no unions, no pension plan,...
40 yrs X 21,900,000 fares/yr = 876,000,000 fares
looks like the minimum fare (assuming full occupancy 24/7/365) better be at least $2.00 just to meet the original build cost.
i am guessing the minimum breakeven fare will more likely be $5.00 - $10.00
how about just getting more buses?
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
King County-wide, Light Rail is the solution voters passed a few years ago, but now it's turning out to be this huge budget moneytrap, and instead of building the original 21 mile-long stretch, SoundTransit will only build 14 miles, due to lack of funds. The best part, as far as I'm concerned, is that it ends one mile short of SeaTac, guaranteeing I'll probably never take it anywhere.
Seattle-citywide, monorail is the solution voters have voted on, twice. Anybody who's ever been stuck in traffic on 5th ave. during rush hour and seen the monorail zoom overhead at 50mph can tell you they'd like to be able to use something like that.
Of course, they could be pulling your leg, and hoping that some other poor slob is going to take transit so that they can drive their car on a less-congested road.
Public transit is heavily subsidized, to keep costs down. If it weren't, nobody would ever take it. It'd be too damn expensive. Now, I don't believe that the monorail currently in Seattle is subsidized, but its run is only one mile long and the fair is $1.50.
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
The current monorail is profitable for its private operating company (Railsafe, aka Seattle Monorail Services), on top of contributing $600,000+ each year to the city's general fund. And it isn't automated--humans are paid to drive the trains and sell the tickets. The fare is the same as an off-peak bus fare, $1.25 (although bus transfers aren't currently valid), and gets you there in 90 seconds, and carries about 2.5M passengers each year (half of which are during special events, such as Bumbershoot, Bite of Seattle, and Sonics games, removing a lot of cars from the streets around the Seattle Center).
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:1)
how about just getting more buses?
We have lots of busses. But busses get stuck in traffic. They aren't frequent (especially during off-hours). And they're expensive to operate.
Our busses are currently subsidized by 3:1--that is, for every $1.50 fare, the taxpayers are footing another $4.50. The monorail, while having a high capital cost, will likely not require an operational subsidy. This is already the case for several auitomated elevated systems, such as Seattle's 40-year old monorail (which was built in 10 months and paid for its construction in 8 months, and is manually operated today at a profit, or the Tokyo Monorail or Vancouver Skytrain (both of which are automated.)
And you bet it's a whole lot cheaper to build a monorail guideway than to build 56 lane miles of roadway (14 miles of two lanes each direction), especially in an urban environment like Seattle.
This issue has been simmering in Seattle for 40 years. In the last 4 years, it's come to a boil. This November, the voters will get to choose.
OPERATING (Score:1)
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:2)
The monorail looks cooler than it is. There's a reason why this is being sponsored by a citizen's initiative while light rail and commuter rail have been driven by your municipal and county governments. Hint - it's not because the monorail makes sense.
Now that we're on the subject, they should've taken out the Space Needle at the same time they took out the Kingdome. Two of the ugliest structures on the West Coast and we're still stuck with one of them.
Re:Building a monorail in Seattle... (Score:2)
People want to build one in CO (Score:2)
Eric
Where? (Score:1)
Mirror (Score:1)
BYOM (Score:1)
Outstanding! (Score:1)
Unless he has kids, you'd think riding that thing around would get old really quick. Heck, even *with* kids it would get old quick.
You know, this sounds really bad, but... (Score:2, Funny)
Elevation (Score:1)
not only is this guy creative but powerful to be able to elevate things with his wood. impressive
I can't believe... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:I can't believe... (Score:1, Funny)
Although, in the case of this monorail, I agree, it does suck. It's forcing me to rethink plans for my ideal house. (Now with underground server bunker and monorail!)
Re:I can't believe... (Score:1)
very worthy of /. - a happy hacker (Score:1)
Reckon this is as true a definition of a hacker as any other covered by /. , certainly it's news for nerds. The man's into monorails, he builds his own. Charming mad inventor eccentricity.
I think my favourite statement is "While we go around the loop, imagine how much of the garden and fence we would have needed to rip out to put in a garden light rail instead of this!" ... wonderful, I mean, hands up how many people assume that the average back yard will have a 'garden light rail'. Good on him and best of luck I say, and keep us posted.
I always liked miniature rail (Score:1)
It'd be nice if he could find a way to package this up so it could be demonstrated to transportation planners as a viable solution to rail travel.
Re:I always liked miniature rail (Score:1)
Monorails in modern transit (Score:3, Informative)
The friendly folks at the Monorail Society [monorails.org] might disagree with you on that. Monorails are an efficient solution for crowded cities, since they can be built in the air, and as (by definition) the car is wider than the track they use less space than light rail. Their speed and capacity are more than sufficient for most applications, and they cost a lot less than building subways. This is why there has been a bit of a monorail renaissance lately, with cities as diverse as Las Vegas, Chiba, Kuala Lumpur and Okinawa (Naha) building monorail systems.
Cheers,
-j.
Re:Monorails in modern transit (Score:2)
However, if you have the room for them and sufficient geological stability I think they're a pretty good idea. In a city like Phoenix where everything is fairly new and spread out, yes, it would work; elevated views of a city are often very beautiful as long as it's a nice city (try driving down Boston's Central Artery at night, after most of the traffic is gone).
/Brian
Re:Monorails in modern transit (Score:2)
Re:Monorails in modern transit (Score:2)
"Track" does not equal just the rails. A light rail train is not attached to its rails, so there is a possibility of derailment. If you build an elevated light trail track, you also have to build a "chute" around the track to prevent a simple derailment from plunging people to their deaths, and this chute must obviously be wider than the train running in it.
Monorails, on the other hand, wrap around their track and thus physically cannot fall off it (barring truly spectacular structural failure). No chutes needed, so the width of the car itself is the sole determining factor.
The jury is still out on the efficiency bit, but rubber tires seem to be gaining favor even for light rail. One big reason why is noise: rubber on concrete is a lot quieter than metal on metal.
Cheers,
-j.
Re:I always liked miniature rail (Score:1)
Sideways forces (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe a mechanical engineer in the audience can enlighten me?
And, on a side note: can somebody explain to me his remark at the last page of the Tour: This picture just screams "only in America," doesn't it? I find his project very beautiful, but what's so American about it? Is it really unimaginable for US citizens that this kind of impressive creative tinkering also happens in other countries?
Re:Sideways forces (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Sideways forces (Score:1)
I'll be happy to. It's an example of one of the things Americans are widely thought to have no appreciation for: irony. The man realizes that it takes a rare combination of personal wealth, freedom, and eccentricity to create a toy like this. "Only in America" means he is a bit sheepish about the time and energy he put into a basically useless project, and is a little surprised that there's a country where a common man can afford to spend so much of his life on such a thing. It's not an insult to anybody else, and he doesn't mean it literally.
You'll know you get it when you understand that if his neighbors were to sue him for uglifying their view he might well respond with a much angrier (but just as ironic) "Goddamn it! Only in America!"
Re:Sideways forces (Score:1)
At the speeds this monorail moves i'd imagine that 95% of the load is vertical....which the posts should't have any problem with at all.
-Chris
Problems... (Score:1)
Re: (Score:1)
What I wanna see now.... (Score:2, Interesting)
I wanna see someone build thier own Subway, complete with two stops and a building over each one.
Re:What I wanna see now.... (Score:2)
-I understand the roller coaster thing. There's something cool about being able to make yourself barf without having to wait in line.
-I understand the monorail, sorta. I'd have set it up a bit differently, but it works. "Garden light rail" (still like that one) fits more or less the same purpose.
But let's be honest: unless you're going to connect the shed to the garage the whole subway idea is completely useless. The monorail would be more fun for that purpose anyway.
/Brian
Those are not mirrors (don't click) (Score:1)
Dont mod me down if it becomes un /. ed (Score:3, Informative)
main page [216.239.37.100]
monorail history [216.239.37.100]
Photo tour [216.239.37.100]
Re:Dont mod me down if it becomes un /. ed (Score:2, Informative)
Look around when you're there, and you'll learn why the monorail is a practical, underused, safe form of transport. It's been stigmatized by Disney. (I've been a monorail advocate for some time) It's a very cool site.
Re:Dont mod me down if it becomes un /. ed (Score:2)
Why do you say that? Why do you think this? Disney had a problem with moving a heckuva lot of mob-level crowds between different areas. Getting back and forth between Epcot and Magic Kingdom is pretty easy due to monorail. For other places in the park, they have hundreds of city transit buses.
When I was there, I thought the monorail did quite well. When the water/fireworks show in Epcot let out, for example, the bus area was a mess and the monorail hauled all manner of people out of the area quickly...
This is a place you can fly in, get a shuttle into the park, stay all week, get around, and never need to rent a car. I think it works well...
Re:Dont mod me down if it becomes un /. ed (Score:1)
Disney uses the monorail VERY well, and they know how good it is. I'm not saying that they made the monorail seem bad, but by being a pioneer in the transport industry (they built some of the best monorails ever, the Mk.IV class), people think of the monorail as a Disney amusement park ride, not the quiet, safe system of transport it is.
Disney brought the monorail out of darkness. They were trying to introduce the world to a new thing, but the world saw it as a game.
I have nothing against the WDW, DL monorail systems. They are the best in the world, but everyone sees the monorail as a park ride now, so they don't want one in their city.
Re:Dont mod me down if it becomes un /. ed (Score:1)
Re:/.'d (Score:1)
Re:finally (Score:2)
I beg to differ. If you're forced into running Windows, then having 9 computers is completely justifiable. Consider the stability when running the nine applications you require on nine different machines? Boggles the mind doesn't it?
"My next summer's project: Backyard Spaceport!" (Score:1)
Well, uh, actually...
http://www.rocketguy.com/flash.html [rocketguy.com]
http://www.artbell.com/rocketguy.html [artbell.com]
Re:$4000???? (Score:1)