Seeking Relief Down Under, Via Web 85
HiyaPower writes: "Never let it be said that our friends in Australia are behind the times. According to this
Wired article, an Australian
company, NGIS, will be putting the first searchable database of the location of Australia's 13,000 public toilets on the Web. I mean there you are, far from civilization with only your trusty portable computer and you gotta go, well now you can. Now if only they could do this for working public phone booths ..." I wonder if there is a public-toilet Web ring? If not, this deserves a place of honor on it, as does the down-to-earth besttoilets.com, though I would add to its New York section the very nice restrooms at SIBL.
Makes us more dependent (Score:4)
"Sir, the line's been cut! We're spewing data all over the place."
"That's not all that's being spewed, Johnson. May God have mercy on us."
- Michael
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Go ahead, blame me... I voted for Nader!
Thomas Crapper, his bowl runeth over. (Score:1)
Somehow I doubt there are any hidden benefits to searching hotpot.com for the proper commode. But I imagine the cops walking a beat near their famed opera hall would take a dim view of someone marking their territory. It's not like it's New Jersey after all.
Toilet web-ring (Score:2)
I wonder if there is a public-toilet Web ring? If not, this deserves a place of honor on it,
But wouldn't there be a Web Tidy-Bowl salesman going around to take care of that ring?
Sound like a killer application for WAP!?!?!! (Score:1)
There's not a public toilet in sight (especially Rome, Paris and Brussels are notorious for their lack of such facilities)and other factors, such as the lack of bushes and the probable proximity of police officers make it impossible to take the course of action suggested by other posters. So, what are you going to do?
You whip out your GSM phone with WAP (it seems that, despite it total uselessness, you can't get a decent phone without it these days ..)and you connect to the Searcheable Public Toilet Database!
Or even better, the mobile phone operator can determine your approximate location from the cell you are in and can tell you about toilets in the neighbourhood when you dial a special number! (Just like Omnitel's 2727 does for information about italian monuments).
All in all i think this is the type of service that WAP needs in order to espeblish itself as a useful protocol! :)
Re:what if (Score:1)
Networking the toilet may sound stupid however...
Throw in a 15-inch (or bigger) LCD on a swing arm mounted near the thing and make it a web terminal. Run the network right up your pipe (so to speak). Make newspapers rather boring. Could make be interesting playing a network game and web-cams could be good (and bad according to taste).
Come to think of it you do the sort of thing Peter Hamilton writes about in his Greg Whatshisname books. Tie a fibre to a cockroach, or in our case a cockroach-sized robot and send it up the sewer. In this case we want it to find the nearest place where it can connect the house to the 'net. The local sewerage people couple put their pipes to more use.
I wouldn't want to be the cable guy trying to fix the lines :)
Re: statistics/graffiti/English (Score:1)
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Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Talking of toilets... (Score:2)
I was sitting there thinking "Surely he's finished by now..." and then there would come the sound of another sheet being pulled... amazing.
What really alarmed me though was the fact that he left without washing his hands. I tried to get finished in time to see who it was but he was gone... like the wind.
Seems like he needed a searchable database of the locations of the handbasins in the bathroom!!
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What information is kept (Score:2)
What information should they keep on the toilet:
Re:The US must hurry to catch up (Score:1)
Re:Geek Toilet Humor (Score:1)
Now please try to spend a couple hours each day not on the computer and try to interact with other breathing life forms.
Re:Is today a slow news day ? (Score:1)
All generalizations are false.
Re:High Tech Toilets (Score:1)
Re:Toilet web-ring (Score:1)
If guns have not, can not, and never will do anything, how then can they equal less crime?
Somebody teach Wired how to do maths (Score:2)
"While the company has yet to finalize its tally, it now believes there are as many as 13,000 public toilets in the country, or 4.4 per square mile. "
Now I do not go and check the maths in every lighthearted news story I read, but at a glance, I could see that this number was very wrong. (Either that or Australia was shrinking rapidly)
Australia has an area of 7,741,220 Km2
This is about 2,988,900 square miles.
We have a population of about 18 Million, which is on average 6 per square mile.
If we really have 4.4 public toilets per square mile, we would have about 13 million public toilets - almost as many public toilets as people.
I think somebody lost a decimal place somewhere. If we have 13,000 public toilets, then we have 0.0043 per square mile.
Re: Nepean Highway (Score:1)
But how do I get there? (Score:1)
Re:Who'd do it? (Score:1)
Re:Toilet web-ring (Score:1)
If the
"More Citizens Owning Guns = Less Citizens Being Vicitmized by Worthless Scum Criminals"
In fact, the folks that choose to not own are safer as long as the crooks have to guess who is armed and who is not.
Re:Somebody teach Wired how to do maths (Score:1)
needs to be WAPable (Score:3)
What would be a more advanced business model, would be then to allow users to rate it according to a number of criteria (with, say, levels 1 to 5), and if they do this, give them a small discount on the WAP access cost - i.e. as an incentive to spending the extra time providing some feedback - then future users can see which toilets are better than others.
Re:Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:3)
A recent survey in the The Economist on Australia pointed to Australias "sensible" use of technology. What they meant, is that rather than the maniac tech frenzy in the United States, what Australian businesses seemed to do was to adopt technology into existing business practices in a much more sensible way - for instance, a guy in the outback producing some sort of original good just creates a pretty basic by effective web page, information and ordering system.
A few more facts - Australia has always had the highest penetration of Internet, we have been rapid earlyt adopters of ISDN and mobile phone technology, electronic banking systems (EFTPOS), and there are probably more examples. We're not super-tech-guru people, but we take the new stuff in our stride. As a people, we tend to be pretty fair minded, pragmatic and sensible, but not adverse to "going over the top" at times, and having a good dose of fun. We're somewhat hedonistic and even pagan in our love of food, sun, outdoors and so on.
(I like my country, can you tell
Matthew Gream
Australian ex-patriot
San Sebastian, Spain
Re:hahaha Re:what if (Score:2)
DebianPlanet [debianplanet.org]
Re:Who'd do it? (Score:1)
Step 2 - Realise that you're hundreds of miles away from anyone
Step 3 - Sod the bush, just go where you are.
Australias a big place.
Good wearables resource (Score:2)
This is great! (Score:1)
I mean, do you have any idea how hard it is to find a public toilet of respectable quality and cleanliness? In all my years of living in Melbourne, I've only been in one, truly classy public toilet, the rest are abysmall in comparison.
Re:Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:2)
Finally, proper moderation. (Score:1)
Note: my IQ = (10*age) always.
is this a big step (Score:1)
Re:What information is kept (Score:1)
Maybe they should have a hit counter and statics on the toilet, like:
Your are the: 423,153,957,287 person to use this toilet since 1997.
This toliet has been cleaned: 4 times since 1997.
The average usage last is for: 17 seconds.
9.7% wash their hands when though.
Sign this toliets guest book!
Need a WAP version... (Score:2)
Baz
Re:What information is kept (Score:1)
Well, if they're going to do that, why not just put a dumb terminal in there, put on lynx and have something to do. Or allow advertising to web ads to pay for the toilet.
Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:1)
Mind you, our population is only about 10% of the USs'...
To the rest of the world: Yes, we are capable of better stuff than this, but all our best and brightest go overseas for the money. Australia sucks as a place for tech advances and 'innovation'. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise... it's all about sport here. (sigh)
z_evil1 (frustrated Oz geek)
Re:Great! (Score:1)
I am in now way affiliated with e-shit.com, by the way.
what if (Score:3)
Who'd do it? (Score:2)
All about sport? (Score:1)
the mind boggles Re:what if (Score:2)
Can you imagine what the SNMP variables for that would look like?
Can you imagine the results of a DoS attack on the shitters if they were completely remotely driven? (DDoS -- Distributed Disgusting odour (from) Shitters)
If they do have full networking, how long before jokes about "laying some fat pipe" come into common parlance? (Or "stringing some fiber" or ...)
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Heh, reminds me of an old college buddy (Score:3)
Well, I say old, it was like 5 years ago at a hellhol-errr-place called TAMS. Anyway, he was really good at math. Really good. So one day he was telling me about this thing called the Steiner Space or something like that (my strong suite is chemistry, not abstract math). And within Steiner Spaces you could find/define something called a Steiner Point (again, it's been ~5 years and I'm not a mathematician), which was the one point in that Steiner Space that would be equidistant to all other (non-capital-S) Steiner Points in that Steiner Space. Seems pretty intuitive in 3space (for a bounded space anyway ("the middle of nowhere")); naturally since mathematicians are all closet perverts, they'd extended this to cover nSpace.
Point being, we were laughing about the possibility of defining a "UNT-Campus-Shitters" Steiner Space where each non-capital-S Steiner Point was a campus crapper. So then you could use rigorous mathematical methods to find the "Shitter Epicenter" of campus, the point at which if you had to crap you could go in any direction....
OK, yeah, so when you're IQ is >= (10*age) (sidenote: I was 16, he was 17) and you're stuck in a dorm eating suck-ass food you tend to come up with odd ways to pass the time... ;-)
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hahaha Re:what if (Score:2)
Lends a whole new meaning to ``shit or get off the toilet!'' I don't think you'd have too many poeple sleeping in public restrooms after receiving ~110+ V to the ass...
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Re:what if (Score:1)
But do they have these? (Score:1)
Re:Who'd do it? (Score:1)
Step one: pick up cellphone
Step two: dial "information"
Step three: ask (in a hurried voice) where the nearest toilet is
Step four: hang up before entering aforesaid toilet
It's a cellphone/pda market.
Uh-oh. (Score:2)
Re:Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:3)
Amusing as toilet humour is, the initiative under discussion here is in reality very welcome, and a further example of best practise. Albeit government tends to be a distributed hierarchical kind of an animal, it should be capable of arranging its information asset to that they can be joined together and turned into a resource useful to its citizens. This application achieves that aim. Other governments are doing similar things - such as UK Government's proposed Inforoute [hmso.gov.uk]system, which will draw together sources of published government information. My view is that Australia steals a march on the rest of us by providing something of immediate practical use to all of its citizens, where the UK application will be appreciated by a small minority os citizens.
A final point. The toilet application verges on a mindset which thinks in terms of publishing everything by default, and restricting on a case by case basis. Certainly in the UK, the mindset still seems fixed on restricting by default, and publishing only on a case by case basis.
Oz may not suck quite as much as you think.
Why stop at toilets? (Score:3)
But what use is a toilet ? (Score:1)
High Tech Toilets (Score:2)
If these are networked to ask for more detergent, paper etc, i'd think twice about using them. I'd hate to be hacked whilst enjoying some timeout, suddenly your all wet from the self cleaning, and the door fly's open to the public outside!
Re:the mind boggles Re:what if (Score:1)
Even more devastating: The Denial of Shitting (DoS) Attack!
Re:Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:1)
yes it does.
everyday more and more of our inventions and discoveries are heading overseas ( take a look at the recent slashdot article on the wireless chip). The govenment has cut back its spending on R&D support by almost two thirds in the last couple of years.
Instead of the latest bio and nano technology, cutting edge computer hardware design and the latest in software developments, we get stuck with The Shit Whitepages(tm).
On the other hand, the chicks here are really good looking and they're really easy aswell...:-)
Who needs to find toilets ... (Score:3)
No more stinking closet-size restrooms. And this one's got shock absorbers AND a radio.
Karma karma karma karma karmeleon: it comes and goes, it comes and goes.
I'm sorry (Score:1)
Toilet ring (Score:2)
Flushing (Score:2)
Re:The US must hurry to catch up (Score:1)
besttoilets.com (Score:1)
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I can see it now... (Score:1)
have eaten that burrito right before travelling...shit shit shit shit shit!"
Well, that explains it! (Score:2)
Oh, wait, make that 12993 in Sydney. I do remember finding a public toilet out in Long Reach.
Bill - aka taniwha
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Re:what if (Score:1)
But are they working? (Score:2)
Toilets need there own IP addresses so that we can ping them and see if they are up...of course it is sad that Mr. Muuss won't get to see the pingable toilets, but I am sure he would be happy to know how far his "1,000 line hack" has gone.
more fodder for the "public-toilet web ring" (Score:1)
Make sure to check out the "homosexual scribble" in the "cool graffiti" section.
All generalizations are false.
shitmail.com (Score:1)
For some more toilet humour... (Score:1)
If I remember correctly, this guy was a Simpsons animator/artist. He does a different cartoon every day.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Just Imagine... (Score:1)
"Daddy, when I grow up, I want to be a Restroom Location Network Engineer just like you!"
We need the geekiest toliets... (Score:2)
This is innovative and useful, don't take the p*ss (Score:1)
If you've ever been in a foreign city and -really- needed to use the toilets, you'd kill to know where a public toilet is. More so if you'd recently found you were incompatible with the local gut bacteria and had just had a 4 minute alarm. Do you know the etiquette for walking into a restaurant or bar in say Tokyo (chosen as an example 'cos I don't speak Japanese and can't read the signs) and just using the loo, or what the fine is for peeing in the street?
Well done Oz
MRTG [was Re:the mind boggles Re:what if] (Score:2)
It'd be fun to administer them with HP-OV
How about skript-kiddiez - having a "How-To r00t
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The US must hurry to catch up (Score:2)
In order to speed the process of toilet locating, every citizen must be equipped with a swallowable camera [hoise.com]. Once all the cameras have been deposited, it will be a simple matter of "looking around" and the project will complete itself. Forty years ago, JFK sacrificed his life to ensure that we would not lose the space race to the Russians. We must not be any less dilligent in our own time.
Why can't us Usonians (FLW* term) have this (Score:1)
* FLW == Frank Lloyd Wright
Statistics and graffiti (Score:2)
"Surprisingly, more than 99 percent of the local councils responded. While the company has yet to finalize its tally, it now believes there are as many as 13,000 public toilets in the country, or 4.4 per square mile."
Considering Australia is 90% desert, I don't think this quite holds true... what's more, we don't have miles, we have kilometers(!).
A couple of other useful statistics could include:
- Occupancy rate (% change its occupied when you need to go).
- Cleanliness factor (Maybe you don't need to go THAT badly after all...)
- Graffiti rating (how much interesting reading material is provided to pass the time).
(Hmmm, Does that mean we have to do away with our wonderful "Last Aussie Dunny for 350kms" signs?)
Unix commands [Re:shit] (Score:1)
how about "cat mobys-dick |
An how about ripping you a brand new hole?:) like this "mknod
How about ass-igning it to someone else? with "chown luser
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Re:Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:1)
Finding a good clean toilet (Score:1)
However, as with most places in the world, you can always find a good clean public toilet by walking towards the big golden M sign.
Web Ring (Score:2)
I wonder if there is a public-toilet Web ring?
There used to be, but since they installed Tidy Bowl software on most of the routers, it's much less of a problem.
No Good can come out of this (Score:1)
Re:needs to be WAPable (Score:1)
cWAPers?
Why? (Score:1)
Re:Statistics and graffiti (Score:1)
Thats 2967909.4 sq mi (according to units(1))
so for 13k public toilets that results in
one for every 228.3 sq miles or 591.3 sq km
or in the terms they expressed
This makes me proud to be Australian (Score:1)
I think this new innovation is a great addition. Now the next time I am drunk and out on the town and I Really need to go, all I need to do is whip out my Palm and mobile phone and it can tell me exactly where the nearest automated toilet is. So much easier than asking someone and trying to make them understand my drunken slur.
Now the only thing it needs to do is undo my fly and ...
Re:Geek Toilet Humor (NPI?) (Score:1)
"That is the funniest shit I have ever read."
No pun intended?
s/exit/toilot/ (Score:1)
"Tank, I need a toilot, fast!" [while running very fast with a couple of agents trailing closely]
It was Australia, anyway...
but... (Score:1)
:-)
Geek Toilet Humor (Score:2)
Mildly tangental to the story at, er, hand:
At the last place I worked, we printed out two signs for the guy's restrooms. The one over the shitter said "Core Dump", the one over the pisser said "Pointer Error, Memory Leak".
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Re:but... (Score:1)
I wonder if there will be a service charge to use the feature...
WAP and New Mime Types [was Re:but...] (Score:1)
On the other hand - that'd create a new MIME Type lets' say "Content Type: Stream/Piss" or "Content Type: Shit/html"
Internet Exploder would be the first browser that'd have the "Shit powered/compliant(tm)" logo!
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Re:Yay. Another win for Oz. (Score:1)