What do you mean by a four hour turnaround? I’m really confused.
My EV has a 330 mile range and my charging is either done at home (plug in at night, unplug in morning) or at my destination (typically a hotel, and once again plug in at night, unplug in the morning). If I really have to do a fast charge on a longer trip, I can go 10 to 80% in about 40 minutes, so I’ll time a charge for when I’m hungry. But I’ve only done that a couple of times in the last two years.
So it might well be that my current EV meets your nominal needs. Unless you mean something else by turnaround.
This 15k replacement battery thing is clearly absolutely a totemic piece of idiocy that you guys are absolutely stuck on, isn’t it?
I used to have a Renault Zoe with an NMC pack. Here’s the numbers:
Summer range when new: 245 miles
UK average daily driving: 20 miles/day
Battery reaches 80% state of health after 750 equivalent full cycles (EFC) (could actually be as high as 1500 cycles, but let’s be cautious)
1. Daily distance driven = 0.08 of an EFC (20/245)
2. Days to reach 750 EFC = 750 / (20/245) = 9187.5 days.
3. Years to 750 EFC = 9187.5 / 365.25 = approx 25.15 years.
4. If you assume linear degradation and solve, that reduces to approx 23 years
At which point the thing will *still* drive you 200 miles in the summer.
If we now look at a new EV with a 300 mile LFP battery, then the battery will reach 80% state of health after more like 3000 cycles. So we are talking about 300 * 3000 = 900,000 miles of driving, which would take the typical UK driver more than 120 years to reach. At which point the battery would *still* be good for 240 miles of range.
Worrying about range degradation is right up there with worrying about fire risk as being a stupid thing to worry about.
Ending subsidies is also *not* the only thing the Trump administration has done to damage the EV market, so you’re whaling away on a strawman of your own invention. The Trump administration has also:
- Rolled back vehicle emissions / fuel-economy standards
- Attempted to revoke California’s EV-friendly regulatory authority / waivers
- Imposed tariffs on EV supply-chain components
- Raised tariff and non-tariff barriers on Chinese EVs
- Cut EV infrastructure support including *removing installed chargers*
- Ended the regulatory credit system that benefited EV makers
- Raided the Hyundai battery plant
Etc
It's very simple.
Big oil don't want you to get an EV, for really obvious reasons that should not elude anyone by now.
Their entire infrastructure and business model is built on the gas-station.
Mom & Pop gas stations don't want to invest in EV chargers either, basically because it's slower, will take up more space.
There is another phenomena on the rise, EV-charging malls. Innovative businesses have found out that if they make a parking lot with EV chargers, then they have an incentive to make customers their destination rather than the ones without a charging facility.
The prolonged charging time - has another advantage, you stay, you eat, and the longer you stay, the more you are enticed to make more purchases.
I don't necessarily disagree with all of what you said. But that still doesn't rebuke that ending subsidies isn't "actively trying to kill EVs", which is an inaccurate, partisan trope. I believe the main thrust of the subsidies in the first place was to promote the technology to a point it could compete in the free market. Many (including myself) believe we are at that point.
What holds most buyers back now isn't some price subsidy (nor lack of different models, nor safety, nor lack of information/exposure), it is primarily the lack of being able to charge in a convenient/workable manner. A large part of the potential market is locked out because they are not as fortunate as some of us.... I charge in my own garage; not so easy for those in apartments and condos, or with only on-street parking.
>"since Trump and his puppet-masters are actively trying to kill EVs for some reason."
Ending subsidies is not "actively trying to kill EVs", it is simply removing PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT of EVs. If they slapped penalties on them, THAT would be trying to kill them. There is enough supply and demand they should be able to do fine on their own merits, like almost all other products.
LOTS of EV models lost their federal tax incentives based on sales, from 2022 and on, and others lost them due to manufacture location or battery sourcing. And there were income restrictions. But there was a leasing loophole for some models, which is why leasing them became really popular. It is all more complicated than people assert.
For the remaining models, there would, indeed, be an artificial "bubble" of sales leading up to the end of the artificial price reductions. And that will result in a slump of sales for a while after, and then prices will likely adjust back down and the sales will likely return to "normal" again.
"It ain't over until it's over." -- Casey Stengel