Comment Re:How dense can they be? (Score 1) 14
I will pause judgment until they conduct the same test on domestically made buses.
I will pause judgment until they conduct the same test on domestically made buses.
Conservatism is two camps (maybe 3 now)
MAGA
Never-Trump (these are just liberals now)
And now there is the growing "America First"
You can cope about the state of the conservative movement in America but right now, Trump owns it because conservatives gave it to him.
No he hasn't been the thought leader for anything other than the Democratic party who spend all their time addressing his endless stream of meaningless self-aggrandizing propaganda.
Ha, good zinger, gonna say I have TDS next? Zingers aren't arguments though so this is a reluctant "you're right" because this is obvious, he's the leader of the party, they follow his words.
They haven't delivered it. Jimmy Carter promised universal health care. As has every democratic candidate for president since. Some of them won. None of them delivered. They all blamed the Republicans.
They're also the only ones talking about and the only comprehensive health care reform since LBJ was passed the one time the Democrats had 60 Senate votes and they dragged it across the line alone. Again, no way to both sides this, the difference is obvious.
Did he? That was certainly the message of antt-Trumpers. And it certainly reached his core of supporters since their enemies were repeating it over and over. Do you think that message helped or hurt?
He tried to support the vaccine he helped create but was resoundly bood everytime he brought it up, he created the conspiratorial conditions that let it fester, never took a hard stand to put down an obvious bad thing happening. Maybe he didnt personally go antivax but he cowed to it and palled around with folks in that camp. Complicit.
Can you imagine that the anti-Trumpers would have opposed vaccines if Biden had attacked them as having been rushed into production to help Trump get elected? Not likely. Or if he had praised Trump for his "warp speed" program to produce them? Not likely.
Biden got the vaccine Dec 2020 and praised Trump for it, because he's a decent man and not a crook. Then he promised to get 100 million doses and did it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politi...
Yes, they are. Most parents are getting their kids vaccinated.
As we discuss an article about waning herd immunity and increasing outbreaks.
There is no doubt that all the attention paid to anti-vaxxers has raised questions among a lot more parents
And maybe putting a guy whose entire political career was built out of being antivax the head of the fucking HHS. This is Trump Derangement-Derangement Syndrome, any criticism is just calling his oppnents crazy. Maybe he's as bad as folks say he is, maybe the never Trumpers have been right all along.
We've had vaccination schedules for decades over presidents from both parties this was never an issue until recently, no slippery slopes found. It's so obvious that it should be completely apolitical, easiest answer around.
Your right to privacy in medical care ends when you can infect other people.
We sacrifice some amount of freedom all the time, in ways you agree with. The cost benefit for mandatory vaccination is extremely clear, maybe one of the most clear thng's we have.
No, that's not how it works. People who live in a place have collective herd immunity or not, unless they are quarantined
Trump and RFK Jr are merely the current avatars for the anti-science bullshit that's been building for decades.
When the person behind the desk with the [former] label "leader of the free world" boosts anti-vaxxers, that's not "mere" anything.
Is it more likely that the Mennonite population found some measles lying around, or that the immigrant/refugee population of Alberta might have brought it from somewhere else?
It does not matter even slightly where it comes from. It's coming in all the time. What matters is what percentage are vaccinated, which determines whether a population has effective herd immunity. The immigrants aren't moving the needle on that, but the religious are.
It is not the same to say a brand-new vaccine for a never seen disease that affects the entire planet has the same safety.
So what? Is there a point here or are you just wildly offtopic? Because that brand-new vaccine DID go through some testing, albeit much abbreviated from the usual, and it was already clear that it was safer than the disease. There was also less need for testing because due to its nature it was LESS hazardous than traditional vaccines. We already knew this because we had been doing mRNA vaccine research for years.
All these mayors and governors telling their local law enforcement (you know actual men with guns) to thwart the efforts of federal law enforcement
There are zero of those.
There are mayors and governors instructing local LE not to assist the crimes of federal human traffickers, but they're NOT instructing them to thwart anything, even though the things they're doing are illegal at all levels.
1) Canada has already lost its status. Its hard to see how that is Trump's fault.
The fact that you had a problem with misinformation causing an anti-vaxx push doesn't mean that some other place can't actually attribute their problem to a specific person doing their best to spread misinformation.
2) Trump has only been in office for less than a year. Its unlikely the measles outbreak is a result of any of his policies.
Trump spent several years of his previous presidency pushing an anti-vaxx agenda. You're right this shit doesn't happen in a year, for that you need a very prominent moron shit-tweeting anti-vaxx nonsense for the best part of decade. Which is precisely Trump.
Here's some Trump based anti-vaxx news from 2017 https://www.texastribune.org/2...
3) The outbreak is all along the southwest border with large populations of people who lack access to regular health care.
The actual map: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/da...
Of note: The top 11 states are red states. New York is the first blue state on the list.
Of note: If some of those top states were any further from the south western board they'd be in fucking Canada, so stop spreading bullshit.
"Trump did it" has become the standard excuse
In the USA Trump did it is a studied peer reviewed fact back with science. This effect was literally studied by the University of Queensland leading to a peer reviewed publication in a psychology journal linking Trump's statements to rise in anti-vaxx sentiment. https://www.sciencedirect.com/...
Some people see the government doing anything as inherently bad.
If that's what you read into it then you are the problem. Your own personal bias made you completely miss the point being made.
Indeed if you don't accept science into your life you are left as a subsistence farmer who'll premake die before 40 of a preventable disease.
Fortunately for you, accepting it into your life is the default choice and you don't need it in your heart when you visit the hospital, just in the minds of the doctors.
You can of course really walk the walk and go back to leeches and rebalancing the humours. Of course if you do that you should also fuck off off the internet and not be a massive hypocrite benefiting from science while being a moron about it.
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