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"If You Can Put It On A T-Shirt, It's Speech"

Posted by michael on Tue Aug 01, 2000 11:45 AM
from the clear-as-mud dept.
We got word last night that Copyleft has joined the ranks of the named defendants in the DeCSS suit - they received their subpoena yesterday, because they "distribute" the DeCSS source code - on t-shirts.

Carnegie Mellon Professor David Touretzky testified before the court on this very issue. (See his Gallery of CSS Descramblers.)

Here's Touretzky being questioned:

19 Q. The next item, the DeCSS T-shirt, why did you post this on
20 the website on the gallery?

21 A. Well, this is a photograph of a T-shirt that's offered for
22 sale by an outfit called CopyLeft, and I purchased one of
23 those shirts myself. And the point of including it here is it
24 seems to me that there is some confusion among all the parties
25 in this case about whether something is speech or not.
1 And my reaction is if you can put it on a T-shirt,
2 it's speech. And so the point of showing the T-shirt was to
3 illustrate that and, also, to raise the question if this
4 T-shirt, itself, would have to be prohibited, then I wonder
5 what would happen to me if I wore the shirt in public.
6 Wearing the shirt in public could, perhaps, be interpreted as
7 engaging in trafficking a circumvention device.
8 So if one really wants to afford the plaintiffs the
9 protection that they seek, I think I would only be able to
10 wear my shirt in the privacy of my own home and must not go
11 outdoors with it.

Touretzky drew up a lengthy argument showing that if the DeCSS source code were banned, the only way to prevent that knowledge from being transmitted would be to ban it in all its forms - image file, various perturbations of the code into forms similar to plain English, annotated commentary, even on t-shirts and hidden in image files - all of these would have to be banned because the source code is easily retrievable from all of them. The Technical Term for this is "opening up a can of worms". Touretzky was trying to show the court that the issue was hardly open-and-shut - if you look at it one way, it's a device which can perform a task, but if you look at it another, it's speech that's expressive and communicative. If you're a programmer who's never taken much of a look at the legal issues surrounding computer programs, it may be patently obvious to you that code is speech, but to the judicial system, it is not so clear.

The judge was apparently much impressed, and started seriously thinking about the free-speech implications of banning DeCSS, possibly for the first time in the case. He seemed to take Touretzky's argument to heart - either all would have to be banned, or none. Apparently the MPAA took Touretzky's argument to heart as well, and they're therefore doing what is necessary to remain consistent with their argument: going after the T-shirts.

Maybe they'll go after the New York Times as well. Perhaps if the Times gets dragged into the case for posting an image of the illegal shirt, it might finally become clear to all and sundry that this case is about much more than copyright infringement.


Subject: [CAFE-News] EFF DeCSS Trial Summary


DVD Update: July 31, 2000
Universal City Studios et al v. 2600 Magazine

EFF DeCSS Trial Summary:
Facts in EFF's Favor as MPAA Claims Collapse Under Scrutiny

EFF defense team established a solid record at trial that the major film studios are attempting to use the DMCA to ban DeCSS so it can monopolize the DVD player market. Despite its immense investigative resources and months of effort, the MPAA was forced to concede at trial that it could not find a single instance of piracy related to the software. The First Amendment rights of all citizens have been endangered because of the studios' panic and over reaction.

Norwegian teenager Jon Johansen testified for the defense that he was working to build a DVD player for the Linux operating system when he posted the program to the LiVid list that he and two others authored. LiVid Project Leader Matthew Pavlovich testified that his development group used DeCSS to create a Linux DVD player that can compete with the studios' and DVD-CCA's current monopoly on DVD players. The studios were hoping to ban the software before a competing DVD player could be created that is not required by a CSS license to restrict features which allow people to exercise their legal rights. Journalist Emmanuel Goldstein, the editor of 2600 Magazine testified that he published the code in his reporting of Hollywood's crazed reaction to the software's existence, when the studios launched this legal attack against him.

The high point of trial was the electrifying testimony of Professor David Touretzky of Carnegie Mellon University's Computer Science Department, EFF's final witness before resting its case. Touretzky explained to the court how computer programmers use computer code to communicate to one another with precision. He showed the court how an injunction against DeCSS chills his ability to express himself. Judge Lewis Kaplan stated Touretzky's testimony was "persuasive" and "educational" and would likely change his First Amendment analysis of the case. The judge did not indicate that he intends to rule in favor of defendants however, and EFF is prepared to take an immediate appeal to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. Trial briefs are due August 8 and a short turn-around is expected for a ruling.

After the close of trial, DVD-CCA filed a motion to intervene in the NY litigation to fight EFF's challenge to unseal the Xing CSS license entered into evidence. DVD-CCA has requested to keep its CSS license out of the public record and Judge Kaplan will accept papers opposing DVD-CCA's intervention and secrecy request until August 2 at 5p.m.

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EFF's archive of MPAA v 2600 litigation:
http://www.eff.org/IP/Video/MPAA_DVD_cases/

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  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:00AM
  • Re:Excellent. Fatality. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:01AM
  • Re:not quite. some shirts are illegal by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:Sounds good but don't forget by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:58AM
  • Yes, you can patent a number by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:05AM
  • DeCSS hidden in the Bible? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:15AM
  • Paranoia Mode == On by davidu (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:54AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by Nick Ives (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:31AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by Phroggy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:12AM
  • Re:T-shirt scannersl by Bill Currie (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:52AM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by Tester (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @05:14PM
  • Re:I'm convinced, finally.... by psychosis (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:10AM
  • Support! by Palin (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:16AM
  • Context! by NoWhereMan (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:34PM
  • Re:Control by Harik (Score:1) Thursday August 03 2000, @10:56AM
  • Ummmmmmmmmm................Software Patents by Troy Roberts (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:23AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by leoc (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:01AM
  • the *other* decss t-shirt by lithis (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:42AM
  • Re:Trade Secrets by hobbit (Score:1) Wednesday August 09 2000, @03:38AM
  • truly scary by Rumble (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:03AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by fatboy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:44AM
  • Be careful... by Art Tatum (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:43AM
  • So If I wear.... by DraKKon (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:05AM
  • Re:Error by Signal 11 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:56AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by Kitanin (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @07:35AM
  • Iraq, North Korea, etc by Anonymous Coed (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:22AM
  • Testimony: T-shirt great for getting dates by korpiq (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:31AM
  • RSA Encryption/Decryption T-Shirt by AviN (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:04AM
  • I'm missing something.... by Umbro2 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:40AM
  • Re:Trade Secrets by DavidTC (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @08:07PM
  • Re:Control by DavidTC (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @08:09PM
  • The only thing to do is start a follow-suit by crovira (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:06AM
  • Re:Print it on a dildo by crovira (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @02:26PM
  • Re:Duh? by qnonsense (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:36AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by Kyobu (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by Kyobu (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:59AM
  • Re:Control by afc (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:28PM
  • Re:Iraq, North Korea, etc by um... Lucas (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:33AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by um... Lucas (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:57PM
  • Re:Missing story items by KuRL (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:31AM
  • Re:Control by KuRL (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @05:01PM
  • Re:Control by KuRL (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:54AM
  • Re:T-shirt scannersl by Quikah (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Jeremi (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:24AM
  • Re:Error by Photon Ghoul (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:52AM
  • Re:Is this to be banned next? by Photon Ghoul (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:46AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by griffjon (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:24AM
  • Re:I bet... by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:51AM
  • Re:Different laws, different rules by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:37AM
  • Re:The t-shirt -- I have it this time, I'm sure! by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:49AM
  • Re:Old News by Sloppy (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @03:23AM
  • Announcing DeCSS code by Sloppy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:24AM
  • Re:Control by HiThere (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:08AM
  • Re:How about this? by HiThere (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:21AM
  • Re:Control by HiThere (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @05:13AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by Cool Hand Luke (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:28AM
  • Re:More details? by sterno (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:00AM
  • thanks for the tip! by GuNgA-DiN (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @05:16PM
  • The judge. by Ice Station Zebra (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by wesmills (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:39AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by tonyj (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • Your Rebuttal Sucks Ass by jslag (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:21PM
  • one of these in the mail by avdp (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:10AM
  • Re:Control by Buttercup (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:14AM
  • Re:You don't know Jack by Squirrel Killer (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:37AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by powerlord (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:50AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by powerlord (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:52AM
  • Re:Control by LarsG (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @08:15AM
  • You know you've covered too much of the Microsoft by Stalky (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:35AM
  • I bought one by fuckface (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:48AM
  • Re:Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by I R A Aggie (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:49AM
  • Cars as speech... by I R A Aggie (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:22AM
  • Copyleft slashdotted by Pathetic Coward (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:56AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by generic-man (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:35AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by revscat (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:44AM
  • Speech isn't necesarily legal, but... by Gorth (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:52AM
  • Re:Control by Mazurbul (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @05:58PM
  • Sorry... by headrock (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:25AM
  • Re:Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by Tower (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:08AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by HerrNewton (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:48AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by slashdot-me (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:45AM
  • Re:Old News by Grendel Drago (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:09AM
  • The t-shirt -- I have it this time, I'm sure! by Grendel Drago (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:17AM
  • Break Every Law! by Grendel Drago (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:23AM
  • Broader Rulings needed by stuyman (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:22AM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by Hard_Code (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:53AM
  • Re:Control by BlaisePascal (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:45AM
  • my shirt... by laslo2 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:02AM
  • Re:And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by ODiV (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:05AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by TheTomcat (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:27AM
  • Re:And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by Zan Thrax (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:54AM
  • Re:This won't help the RIAA... by Zan Thrax (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:02AM
  • Re:And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by Zan Thrax (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:04AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by jovlinger (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:25AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by Oldspice (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:35AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by JediLuke (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:02AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by radja (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:29AM
  • A way to make the Constitution illegal by manHolo (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:01AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by cwhicks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:29AM
  • Re:Control by cwhicks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:47AM
  • Re:Iraq, North Korea, etc by cwhicks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:53AM
  • Re:Control by cwhicks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:26AM
  • Re:Here's a question by cwhicks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:01AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by cwhicks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:24AM
  • Re:OT by Spasemunki (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:19AM
  • Make your brain illegal. by ucblockhead (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:10AM
  • Re:Control by cantherius (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:38AM
  • What about shoes? by canitesc (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:05AM
  • Re:Your Popular Anecdotal Evidence Sucks Ass by DrMaurer (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @03:45AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by Saraphale (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:35AM
  • Re:Make your brain illegal. by Lew Pitcher (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:06AM
  • Re:Control by Cramer (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:51AM
  • Re:Control by Cramer (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:40AM
  • REAL interesting implication by Bullschmidt (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:00AM
  • I should add .... by taniwha (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:14AM
  • Re:Missing story items by shaunj (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:21AM
  • Re:Control by Eponymous, Showered (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by awkwardone (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @03:59PM
  • Re:Control by ufdraco (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:47AM
  • Re:Your Popular Anecdotal Evidence Sucks Ass by kampo (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:11PM
  • Re:RSA Encryption/Decryption T-Shirt by Lxy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:16AM
  • A tee shirt is the ultimate compliment by jhines (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:01AM
  • Idea for replacement shirts from copyleft. by Spax (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:01AM
  • Re:Interesting approach... by supabeast! (Score:1) Thursday August 03 2000, @11:31AM
  • Re:Control by supabeast! (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:43AM
  • Re:Paranoia Mode == On by nconway (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:18AM
  • Another Method by jackal! (Score:1) Thursday August 03 2000, @08:56AM
  • Re:Excellent. Fatality. by cheese_wallet (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:01AM
  • Re:Sweet Creeping Zombie Jesus.. by quasipunk guy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:37PM
  • Re:Control by donutello (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:11AM
  • I bet... by MissNachos (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:51AM
  • When Will it all end... by wannabe (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:50AM
  • Re:Control by lunatik17 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:01AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by lunatik17 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:30PM
  • Re:How about encrypting DeCSS? by Brighten (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:22PM
  • copyright/left is not the point of the tshirt! by geoff lane (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @03:37AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by benwb (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:07PM
  • Re:Control by TheCarp (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:28AM
  • Re:Control by TheCarp (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:40PM
  • Re:Iraq, North Korea, etc by Cire (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:37AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by Cire (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:03AM
  • Re:Control by bobv-pillars-net (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:09PM
  • Re:Control by bobv-pillars-net (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:14PM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by bobv-pillars-net (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:25PM
  • Re:Control by Steeltoe (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @02:44AM
  • Re:Control by Steeltoe (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @03:33AM
  • Re:More!!! by jaed (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:14PM
  • Re:You don't know Jack by rosewood (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:43PM
  • Re:Intel was told they couldn't by jareds (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:12PM
  • Re:Here's a question by Ravagin (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @02:11PM
  • Re:Control by superkorn (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:31AM
  • Re:Control by superkorn (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:35AM
  • Re:Wet DeCSS Contest by dragonfly_blue (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:37AM
  • Re:Wet DeCSS Contest by Count Spatula (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:02AM
  • I disagree! by Domini (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:51PM
  • Sweet Creeping Zombie Jesus.. by BandSaw (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:40AM
  • Re:Old News by Stephen Samuel (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:09PM
  • Re:Control by Zerothis (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:17PM
  • Re:You don't know Jack by sredding (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:00AM
  • My vote... by lanner (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:14AM
  • The site appears to be partially down. by lyrabas (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:41PM
  • Re:Control by jafuser (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:08AM
  • Re:More!!! by gooser23 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:28AM
  • Oh God, not again.. by pclinger (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:59PM
  • Re:I don't see the point by dbrower (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:00PM
  • Re:MPAA is being driven into a corner by dbrower (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:02PM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by ph0rk (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:10AM
  • Congressional Record by Father (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:01PM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by CaseStudy (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:03AM
  • Re:This is how the Russians got the bomb by TheMCP (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:59AM
  • Re:oops... by Fred Ferrigno (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:06AM
  • Re:I don't see the point by Fred Ferrigno (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:24AM
  • Re:I don't see the point by Fred Ferrigno (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:36AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by MyopicProwls (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:27PM
  • Re:Old News by The Madpostal Worker (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:09AM
  • Re:And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by Scriven (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:05AM
  • Shooting themselves in the foot by el_guapo (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:26AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by cleetus (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:21AM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by RiscTaker (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:39AM
  • Free? by Isldeur (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • You miss the point by jamused (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:18AM
  • Re:Control by Grab (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:55PM
  • Re:Control by clyons (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:59AM
  • Yes just like PGP by x-empt (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:10PM
  • Pathetic by Digitalia (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:02AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by mrfiddlehead (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:48AM
  • US declares war on drug^H^H^H^Yt-shirts by pac4854 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:20AM
  • Re:Control by Wire Head (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:02PM
  • ... by N3mo (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:08PM
  • From His Testimony in court by cdgod (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • Re:And $4 from each shirt goes to the EFF by josh drvsh (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:04PM
  • Re:Control by rgmoore (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:14AM
  • Not very secret by Dungeon Dweller (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:01AM
  • Interesting approach... by Dungeon Dweller (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:06AM
  • Quake's Violent Souce Code by Dungeon Dweller (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @02:31AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Zebbers (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:58AM
  • While we're at it by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:39AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by luckykaa (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:09AM
  • Re:Control by Yardley (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:51PM
  • Re:Control by Yardley (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:55PM
  • Re:Here's a question by mkarcher (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @04:41PM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by Anomalous Canard (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @03:05PM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by DrgnDancer (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:25AM
  • Re:MPAA is being driven into a corner by efuseekay (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:30AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Mr. Adequate (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @12:47AM
  • Assistance Needed - Sue me, PLEASE by The Breeze (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:38PM
  • T-shirt scannersl by www.sorehands.com (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:32AM
  • Not war crime by www.sorehands.com (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:42AM
  • Re:Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by bool (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • time, place and manner by bool (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:16AM
  • Re:I have one of those shirts! by bool (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:24AM
  • Next, Campbells Soup!!!!! by laugau (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:27AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by digitalmind (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:00AM
  • Control freaks by rellort (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:10AM
  • DeCSS on swimming trunks by puddles (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:33AM
  • Re:Control by rifter (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @03:41PM
  • Re:I bet... by Ender7 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:01AM
  • Not about DVD by cacheMan (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:03PM
  • Re:OT by Fishstick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:47AM
  • Re:Control by Fishstick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:28AM
  • Re:Control by Fishstick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:58AM
  • Re:Missing story items by Fishstick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:18AM
  • Re:Time to get that DeCSS tattoo ...... by Fishstick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:04AM
  • OT by Fishstick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:13AM
  • Re:Control by Stary (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:23AM
  • Everyone should print t-shirts by kcornia (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:53AM
  • Re:You don't know Jack by dazedNconfuzed (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @06:30AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by _xeno_ (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:48AM
  • Re:Here's a question by _xeno_ (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:01AM
  • Re:Here's a question by _xeno_ (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:42AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by _xeno_ (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:06AM
  • Re:This won't help the RIAA... by AntiNorm (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:01AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by jdennett (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:10PM
  • Classify it! by -ParadoX- (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:00AM
  • Re:Control by jayhawk88 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:46AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by studerby (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @06:57AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by studerby (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:43AM
  • Still distribution by funk_phenomenon (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:00AM
  • RIAA sue the NY Courts for DeCSS on public records by edjge (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:45PM
  • Isn't Personal Privacy Different From Copyright? by albamuth (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:58AM
  • Re:Free? by chaobell (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:10PM
  • Re:More!!! by Mr. Jaggers (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Mr. Jaggers (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:04AM
  • DeCSS Source code.. how to make it legal by Tairan (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:10AM
  • Re:Your Popular Anecdotal Evidence Sucks Ass by -Harlequin- (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:23PM
  • Re:Control by Chiasmus_ (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:38AM
  • OT: Re:Sweet Creeping Zombie Jesus.. by John Jorsett (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:51AM
  • Re:Control by kadath23 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:39AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by sqlrob (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:57AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by sqlrob (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:19AM
  • Re:Valid Action... by sqlrob (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:22AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by lpontiac (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @02:03AM
  • Re:Error by freebe (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:01AM
  • Re:Control by freebe (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:04AM
  • Re:Control by Golias (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:15AM
  • Logical Next Step... by UID30 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:06AM
  • Re:T-shirt as fair use (and tenet of first sale) by nagora (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:25AM
  • Re:How about encrypting DeCSS? by nagora (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:31AM
  • Define random. Or information. Or both by nagora (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:25PM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by PrestoChango (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:45PM
  • Re:More!!! by PrestoChango (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:52PM
  • A ketchup and mustard stain is speech? by marlowe (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:40AM
  • Re:Sorry... by Capt. Beyond (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:55AM
  • Slashdot and Sued... by kingkai27 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:07AM
  • Deep thought by Darth_brooks (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:24AM
  • I guess I have to burn my Tshirt :) by cOdEgUru (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:04AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by fatphil (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:19AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by darkith (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:56AM
  • Re:Isn't this like PGP export? by Desdinova77 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:05AM
  • I'm not gonna put up with this... by colinm1981 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:49AM
  • SOURCE CODE ON A SHIRT by rhyder (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by Prong (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:41AM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by Prong (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:59AM
  • The American Contradiction.. errr, Constitution. by Anomolous Cowturd (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:25AM
  • bastardizing a distribution medium? by GlassUser (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:00AM
  • Re:I don't see the point by GlassUser (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:07AM
  • Re:Control by pjpII (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:40PM
  • Correct... by NathanielPRobbins (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:15AM
  • Tatoo by kbarrett (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:12AM
  • What an amazing troll!!! by kingdork (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:59PM
  • Valid Link to the NY Times by wiZd0m (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:55AM
  • Re:PORN LINK. MODERATE DOWN. by wiZd0m (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:03AM
  • Re:Control by Elvis Maximus (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:46AM
  • Re:I'm convinced, finally.... by Averye0 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:04AM
  • Re:I don't see the point by ichimunki (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:58AM
  • Old News by sulli (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:19AM
  • Wear it today by sulli (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:24AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by Pig Bodine (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:10PM
  • Give me a break! by miradu2000 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:06AM
  • free speach vs copyright by davonds (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @05:38AM
  • Is it just me? by u4eahh (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @07:32AM
  • Re:This won't help the RIAA... by ryry (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM
  • Valid Action... by ryry (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:07AM
  • Re:Control by Nakoruru (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:39AM
  • /. effect by netkgb (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:00AM
  • Additional Expressions by SomeoneGotMyNick (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:35AM
  • Broad Implications by blameless (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:37AM
  • Re:Duh? by fenix down (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:34AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by 91degrees (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • Re:Software and the First Amendment by Phalex (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:11PM
  • Re:Print it on a dildo by Vuarnet (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:06PM
  • Re:Duh? by Ketzer (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:00AM
  • Re:Here's a question by pcidevel (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:21AM
  • Re:SOURCE CODE ON A SHIRT by cosmic_0x526179 (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @03:44PM
  • Ray Bradbury wrote about this kinda thing.... by smnolde (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @12:27AM
  • Re:Define random. Or information. Or both by Kickasso (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @12:25AM
  • Re:chanting the code by Kickasso (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:39AM
  • Re:DeCSS is Public Record by evanbd (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:10AM
  • Re:Control by skoda (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:31AM
  • Posting code on Slashdot by Delirium Tremens (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @07:22AM
  • RSA on the Arm by Eharley (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:59AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Eharley (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:01AM
  • I Hacked CSS by NeuroManson (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:51AM
  • Re:Control by decentralizd (Score:1) Thursday August 03 2000, @03:08AM
  • DeCSS = ART by myster0n (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @02:34PM
  • Re:aunt meg... by Vigilante Moderator (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:30AM
  • Here's my question... by Housedog (Score:1) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:25AM
  • chanting the code by kubla2000 (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:01AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by ackthpt (Score:1) Wednesday August 02 2000, @10:10AM
  • I just bought a shirt. by csoto (Score:1) Tuesday August 08 2000, @06:18PM
  • I have a solution for this DeCSS problem by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:31AM
  • But WHO has the copyright to the *code*? by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:02AM
  • Re:More!!! by Anonymous Coward (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:00AM
  • Re:Control by phil reed (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:50AM
  • Banning books on making bombs: Not in USA. by Eric Green (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:13AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by bluGill (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:40AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Danse (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:32AM
  • Don't really have to... by Danse (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:39AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by rlk (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:36AM
  • Re:Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by psychosis (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:24AM
  • Re:copyright/left is not the point of the tshirt! by Eric Smith (Score:2) Wednesday August 02 2000, @01:28PM
  • You can discuss the analogies at length ... by Nicolas MONNET (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:28AM
  • Can you copyright a number? by RichMan (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by AviN (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:00AM
  • Re:The Widget Machine by Pig Hogger (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:40PM
  • Different laws, different rules by FreeUser (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:15AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by Dr.Dubious DDQ (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:01AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Kyobu (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:15AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by HunterD (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:51PM
  • Let's start a religion by jabber (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:31AM
  • Re:Control by KuRL (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:29AM
  • Re:Control by KuRL (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:59AM
  • Cool! by grappler (Score:2) Wednesday August 02 2000, @05:39PM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by grappler (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:27AM
  • oops... by grappler (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:30AM
  • More details? by sterno (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:23AM
  • Re:More!!! by SpacePunk (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:02AM
  • Re:And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by wesmills (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:42AM
  • Re:My two cents of the morning by TheTick (Score:2) Wednesday August 02 2000, @03:01AM
  • Cohen v. California by BigDaddy (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:57PM
  • Nitpick by handorf (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Janthkin (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:28AM
  • ZDNet story - this is the California DVD-CCA case! by kjj (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:29PM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by BeIshmael (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:32AM
  • It's not even words by HerrNewton (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:16AM
  • Your Popular Anecdotal Evidence Sucks Ass by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:45AM
  • I have one. by cr0sh (Score:2) Wednesday August 02 2000, @11:59AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by w3woody (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:40AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by Hard_Code (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:53AM
  • Re:Munition by Hard_Code (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:47AM
  • Re:I'm convinced, finally.... by Hard_Code (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:52AM
  • Re:I'm convinced, finally.... by Hard_Code (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:55AM
  • Munition by Hard_Code (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:27AM
  • Re:T-shirt data hiding by interiot (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:30AM
  • Taken to an extreme... by interiot (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:00AM
  • Re:I'm convinced, finally.... by Weezul (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:57AM
  • T-shirts as a distribution medium? by TheTomcat (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:05AM
  • Re:Control by cwhicks (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:05AM
  • Re:not quite. some shirts are illegal by heiho1 (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:01AM
  • Re:Control by barleyguy (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:42AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by bwt (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:27AM
  • Cached copyleft.net pages - using Google.com by billstewart (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:35AM
  • Law changed, but had been unconstitutional by billstewart (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:49PM
  • Re:Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by jheinen (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @12:06PM
  • More information on the summons by Chorizo (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:04AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by richj (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:13AM
  • I don't see the point by linuxonceleron (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:06AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by dirk (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:26AM
  • How about encrypting DeCSS? by Brighten (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:24AM
  • Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by VAXman (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:22AM
  • The problem with firing a shotgun by xant (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:00AM
  • Re:Trade Secrets; not JUST control by jareds (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:34PM
  • Re:Your Popular Anecdotal Evidence Sucks Ass by Stephen Samuel (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:00PM
  • Re:Control by Stephen Samuel (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:54PM
  • Re:And $4 from each shirt goes to the EFF by (void*) (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:57AM
  • Re:Missing the point of the story by (void*) (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:55AM
  • Re:Control by (void*) (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:34AM
  • Going after the T-shirts will not stop it. by (void*) (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:18AM
  • This won't help the RIAA... by StevenMaurer (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:55AM
  • Trade Secrets; not JUST control by Gregoyle (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:56AM
  • Re:Control by Zordak (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:33AM
  • The Widget Machine by peterdaly (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:10AM
  • Re:Touretzky is wrong, and I'll prove it by startled (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:58AM
  • Great, now it's slashdotted by drinkypoo (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:53AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by gilroy (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:45AM
  • Re:I don't see the point by DEATH AND HATRED (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:27AM
  • Re:Control by jayhawk88 (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:01AM
  • And $4 from each shirt goes to the EFF by justis (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:51AM
  • Re:How about this? by Brand X (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:25PM
  • Moot Point. by Valar (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM
  • not quite. some shirts are illegal by Miriku chan (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:52AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by John Jorsett (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:58AM
  • Re:Missing story items by John Jorsett (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:44AM
  • Re:Control by michaelangelo (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:05AM
  • Re:T-Shirts can be banned too by the_other_one (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:19AM
  • And the dolphin code on ThinkGeek? by cvd6262 (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM
  • Re:Much needed clarifications by Dammit! (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:38AM
  • Trade Secrets by Sebastopol (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @01:36PM
  • T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by NathanielPRobbins (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:39AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by Averye0 (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:24AM
  • Copyright by sulli (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:13AM
  • future by KeyShark (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:51AM
  • NY Times by ShaniaTwain (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:53AM
  • The lawyer answers by AndrewD (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:26PM
  • Re:Here's a question (what an idea) by Rev. DeFiLEZ (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @11:30AM
  • Re:T-Shirt does NOT equal Free Speech... by 91degrees (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:47AM
  • Duh? by Ketzer (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:05AM
  • Re:T-shirts as a distribution medium? by cosmic_0x526179 (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @03:55PM
  • This I don't understand. by Kickasso (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:24AM
  • Someone should start selling the book. by jmkelsey (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @05:23PM
  • T-shirt as fair use (and tenet of first sale) by scowling (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:34AM
  • copying Scientology's tactics by touretzky (Score:2) Tuesday August 01 2000, @04:09PM
  • by Eric Green (627) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:05AM (#888596) Homepage
    Note that it is not a 1st Amendment issue when we're talking about government employees and work product. Work product is owned by the employer, and if the employee walks off with work product, he or she can be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. In addition, government employees who deal with classified information sign a document saying that they will not further dessimate that information. This kind of "gag order" is a condition of their employment, and is similar to the confidentiality agreement that my own employer made me sign. Depending upon the classified secret involved, the employee will either be fired, prosecuted for breach of contract, or prosecuted for treason... but except for the treason bit, this is all within the realm of employer-employee contract law, and thus not a 1st Amendment issue.

    Your point that not all speech is protected, however, is a good one. Speech that violates a contract is protected but can get you sued for breach of contract. But the bar for what speech is protected vs. not protected is rather high, and generally involves speech that has a likelihood of inciting violence or causing immediate harm to people. The bar is especially high when it is a media outlet involved, because you're not only dealing with free speech, you're dealing with free press, i.e., a double-whammy. I believe the judge in the EFF case has basically concluded that the code involved, as printed by 2600, is speech. However, he has asked the lawyers to make arguments as to whether it should be considered protected speech (bringing up the issue of the draft cards during the Vietnam era, where a judge says yes, burning them was speech, but it was not protected speech).

    -E

  • Hrmph... (Score:3)

    by Signal 11 (7608) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:55AM (#888597)
    Well, this is no good. What next, are they gonna sue the guy who was singing the DeCSS code?

    "curly bracket space print eff open parent-thhh quote hello world quote close parenth-thhh... boom chakalaka... semicolon..."

  • by crovira (10242) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:44AM (#888598) Homepage
    Read Communications of the ACM Volume 43, #8 (August 2000)

    Software is not a product, its a medium of expression

    Knowledge is expressed in it as much as in oral tradition (very perishable and difficult to transmit,[like documentation by osmosis,]) or the via the written word which at least persists but is passive and inert, software is an interactive means of expression.

    Furthermore it is about as patentable, and copy- rightable as anyother human language. I don't think, despite possible protestations of those much parodied and maligned "upper-class twits" who speak with proper received pronunciation" that it can even be considered to be owner, since much as it is the result of consensual aggregation of linguistic rules and recognizable algorithmic process.

    Software is a medium. It is used to express knowledge in a form which is efficient, or at least self-sufficient, and beyond active (unlike the passivity of words on a page or audiences in a theatre,) it is interactive.

    The industry consortia are not about rights. They are about control but control is a double edged sword.

    Start a copyright infringement suit against them about using the English language without having obtained written prior consent (one might ask from who and in what language and that's the point!

    )

    Of course, they might very well try to control the use of the language next but I don't think that a suit could be expressed that did not itself violate the nature of the suit.

    They are trying to control what you see, hear, think for their own profits.

    Stop paying them for a few weks and catch a live show or a play, read a book, watch TV and let the wind of change blow through record stores and movie theatres. Give the next block-buster a pass. You can live with the alternatives and wait until is comes back in video.

    It won't take long before they notice the deleterious effect of their own campain.
  • by jms (11418) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:16AM (#888599)
    Notice the the MPAA has not taken any action against DoD Speed Ripper. Wonder why?

    Out of all of the many, many ways that have been invented and discovered to decode CSS, the only one that is suitable for building a commercial unlicensed DVD player, without the player restrictions (Macrovision, no digital video output), is DeCSS.

    That's the real stakes. Unlicensed, unrestricted players. Copying is a red herring.
  • by qnonsense (12235) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:50AM (#888600)
    IIRC the only way that PGP can be exported is to be printed, exported as print and scanned. This is because as text on paper PGP is pure speech and not a tool.

    Wouldn't a T-Shirt with DeCSS on it fall into the same category? The printed DeCSS code on a T-Shirt couldn't be considered a piracy tool any more than the printout of PGP sourcecode could be considered an encryption tool.
  • by jabber (13196) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:59AM (#888601) Homepage
    As an exhibit in the court case, the source code for DeCSS is part of the court documents, isn't it? And these are open to the public under the Freedom of Information Act, aren't they?

    So will the records be sealed, just because the MPAA says so? Or will the MPAA buy a Constitutional Ammendment against Free Speach?

    Here's an idea. Someone dictate the DeCSS source code into an MP3, and start distributing it via Napster, with permission of course. Let's see how many law suits we can converge into one court-room. Maybe the MPAA and the RIAA can be made to target each-other and finally end this nonsense!
  • DeCSS != copyright (Score:3)

    by jabber (13196) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:13AM (#888602) Homepage
    The T-shirt doesn't bear a non-permitted copyright. The DeCSS is open source. And the DeCSS code doesn't violate or reproduce copyrighted material, it circumvents a 'trade secret'. Difference being, once the cat is out of the bag, there's no legal 'animal control' officer you can call to stuff it back in. Hence the whole litigation.

    As for decency laws, that's complete bunk:
    Anyone can proudly wear a Van Halen T-Shirt from the:
    For
    Unlawful
    Carnal
    Knowledge
    album without a worry of "the law", as long as they paid a royalty. This isn't about law and ethics, it's about MONEY.
  • by KuRL (13889) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:36AM (#888603) Homepage
    How about a program that generated the code (for example a perl script that output the C source when invoked)?...

    2600 Magazine made a similar point when they wrote about what they would do if the judge issued an injunction requiring them to remove the code from their website. They wrote (paraphrasing): If we have to remove the code, we'll link to the code. If we have to remove the links, we'll write out the web addresses in ascii. If we have to remove the addresses, we'll display an image that contains the web addresses, if we have to remove that, we'll spell out the address (http colon slash slash www dot 2600 dot com slash (etc.)). 2600's point (Touretsky's (sp?) point) is that it'd be ludicrous to try and ban everything relating to the code for two reasons: persistant people (i.e. 2600) would find ways around it, and you'd have to create a virtual police state to enforce it.

  • Re:Old News (Score:3)

    by Sloppy (14984) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:34AM (#888604) Homepage Journal

    I think Joel Furr also used to sell a T-Shirt with an RSA implementation written in perl, in barcode form. The idea was to make a shirt that violated both the letter and the intent of the regulations (if worn outside USA). Sadly, I never got around to ordering one at the time... *sigh* I would kill for one of those nowdays. Well, maybe not kill, but happily spend the $20.


    ---
  • by eyeball (17206) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @02:15PM (#888605) Homepage Journal
    What if you wore a jumper over the t-shirt? Is that a form of steganography? Or would that just be considered smuggling? :)

    I don't know, but I wore an RSA export code t-shirt under a sweater once, and got busted for concealing a weapon
  • by Big Jojo (50231) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @10:20AM (#888606)

    Or: Imagine patenting RSA.

    The role of lawyers in corporations today is unfortunately too much focussed on making legal behaviors (free speech not the least) become very expensive ... you have to pay for your free speech, big time.

    In the case of RSA, the US Govt applied this knowledge in two basic ways to slow down the spread of cryptographic technology ... likely a better approach than the media monopolies took, but I hope they don't find a way to do the same:

    • First by granting a patent on what should have been public domain information: an algorithm developed using US Govt funding. This patent turned into a per-utterance tax (payable to RSA Data Security) for people saying things like "secure web browser" (though Netscape and MSFT got cheap licences to RSA code, not algorithm) within the US (not abroad). CSS is (no longer) a trade secret, so its analogue of this protection has failed.
    • Second by making other cryptographic speech extremely expensive in general ... the whole RICO, oops, I mean EAR export control (oops, I mean "market interference") operation conspired to prevent people from having private speech.Also known as freedom of association, a different "liberty" ... or perhaps non-incrimination, you don't have to tell the govt about your crimes. Just don't talk about them on any phone, or over the Internet, since J Edgar Freeh (of the FBI) is getting a real stiffie for the ability wiretap absolutely everything.

    What it's really going to come down to is that the US government has to decide whether it wants its accomodation with media organizations to be more like that between governments (which let themselves curtail fundamental human rights because they're the cops, and dammit they don't like "those kind of people" at all) ... or instead to be like it's supposed to be, where individual rights are more than hot air.

    The thing to really watch out for is when the Executive or Legislative branches start getting in bed with the multinationals. Oh wait ... that's like the DMCA helping Disney or Warner, isn't it? Or the office of Drug Policy engaging in media payola to get propaganda out, closly in cahoots with private organizations that gain financially by continuing the current generation's major Prohibition?

    The Legislative and Executive branches have too many ways to prevent the courts from seeing their non-constitutional acts. And what we need to see, but won't, is the Judicial system ripping new orifices into those other branches for pulling so much crap.

  • Re:More!!! (Score:3)

    by dboyles (65512) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:10AM (#888607) Homepage
    I fear that any crotchless panties large enough to hold a legible copy of the source code would conjure up images of women the size of Roseanne Barr wearing them.

    Of course that is more than enough to be ruled indecent, and such undergarments would quickly be banned.
  • by java.bean (66111) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:18AM (#888608) Homepage

    While I agree with your general frustration, I don't agree that the lawyers are the root cause. They are a symptom of a larger problem, which is: corporations lobbying Congress to create laws which favor them. In the extreme: no laws, no lawyers. Now, I'm not an anarchist, but if you take away Congress' ability to pass laws to protect corporations, you take away the lawyers' ability to get involved as well.

    --jb
  • by mwalker (66677) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:34AM (#888609) Homepage
    I have a brilliant solution. Are you ready?

    First, we need an ACCESS PROTECTION DEVICE. Let's say that our access protection is to invert all the bits in a file: exchange 1's with 0's, and 0's with 1's. Now, we need a body of copyrighted works. I'm sure we could get some submissions, perhaps we could copyright an entire thread of petrified natalie portman spam. Finally, we distribute our body of copyrighted works with our ACCESS PROTECTION DEVICE engaged - we bit flip all the ascii. End step 1.

    Step 2: create a license for authorized access to our copyrighted works. The license would be:
    1) by viewing these works you agree never to file a lawsuit again, ever.
    2) by viewing these works you agree to strip naked and run screaming down the street if we should ever call upon you to do it.

    Now, the third and masterful step:
    3) Encrypt the DeCSS source code using our bit-inversion ACCESS CONTROL DEVICE. Think about it - if they try to prove that we're distributing the code, then we can prove that they were in violation of the terms of our license (they sued us) AND we can charge them with trafficking in a device specifically designed for circumventing access protections to a body of copyrighted works!
    Oh yes, we'd have them by the short curlies!

    Then we could sue their fat asses.

    The next step, of course, is to get the english language declared to be an access control mechanism, and license it. but first things first.

    Of course it's ridiculous, but then hey, they're banning t-shirts and declaring martial law in seattle, so why the fuck not?

    morons.
  • Re:Control (Score:3)

    by deefer (82630) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:51AM (#888610) Homepage
    Yep... And this is all coming from the tech culture that has no shared political issues, if you belive Mr Katz...

    Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.

  • Re:Control (Score:3)

    by donutello (88309) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:02AM (#888611) Homepage
    That's completely independent of whether or not the deed being committed is an actual crime.

    The fact that it can be on a T-shirt doesn't by itself make it right - legally or ethically.
    The fact that you can't stop it doesn't by itself make it right - legally or ethically.
    The fact that there are millions of people doing it doesn't by itself make it right - legally or ethically.
    These things combined, don't make something right - legally or ethically.

    I can think of several things which fit these criteria and are still obviously wrong. Arguments like these confuse and detract from the main issue at hand and contribute to the perception of some people that the DeCSS code is being spread by anarchist kiddies instead of by people with a legitimate freedom issue.
  • by hiryuu (125210) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @09:00AM (#888612)

    I wonder what Touretzky would do if I printed up t-shirt's with all his credit card numbers, addresses, social security numbers and then sold them. By his argument it would be legal (and right) to do so, because he incorrectly believes that anything which can be printed on a t-shirt (regardless of how the information was gathered) can be freely given to the world without consequence.


    Soooooooo many people here on /. seem to have a problem understanding that there is a difference between civil liabilities due to free speech and any restriction placed upon that speech. The example given by the previous poster is spurious at best; it would be perfectly legal to disseminate that information, provided that (a) no laws had been broken in obtaining it, and (b) no legally-binding restrictions were being broken in giving out that information. Are there civil repercussions for what people might do with that information? Hell yeah! Doesn't make it any less free speech, does it? Slander and libel are excellent examples - you're free to say/print what you want about a person/place/thing, but be prepared for the responsiblities and liabilities that your words might incur.

    Free speech - as in protected speech - is expression that does not violate criminal statutes by its very existence; it's free speech to tell everyone your neighbor buggers his dog, if you didn't break laws finding it out. That doesn't mean that he doesn't have a right to sue your ass into the ground if it's untrue.

  • by YU Nicks NE Way (129084) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:33AM (#888613)
    Stop for a moment, and think. Is the t-shirt a violation of DCMA? That depends on how you read that act. Certainly, it's a means of distributing an illegal circumvention device. Is that it's primary aim? Is it an effective means of disseminating the code?

    Touretsky is being disingenuous in his testimony. Buying and wearing the t shirt is an act of political speech, predominantly for the purpose of protest. That's not the same thing as distributing something in a mass medium for the purpose of having it compiled. Moreover, it's not a very effective means of disseminating the putative violation -- somehow, I can't see ten million script kiddies buying their 133t s41rts and typing the code in by hand!

    Those are key facts. If the primary purpose in disseminating something is to protest, then it might be (and, in my opinion, probably is) protected speech, even if it's facially a violation of DCMA. Even if it isn't protected, the inefficiency of the medium is a sufficiently high barrier that it would almost certainly be protected under the traditional doctrine of fair use.

    Contrast this to the case in front of the judge. Corley and 2600 are alleged to have intended to disseminate a cracking tool. If the plaintiffs show that, the protected speech defense fails. Moreover, they were using a highly efficient technique to disseminate the item: first, the source itself, then, links to the source. So, the secondary "fair use" defence fails.

    Judges and juries are capable of makng that distinction. It's perfectly reasonable that the t-shirt is protected from DCMA, but the program and the links are not.
  • Re:More!!! (Score:3)

    by GriffX (130554) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:49AM (#888614) Homepage
    Please let this be the last time we have to see the words "crusty" and "crotchless panties" in the same sentence on Slashdot.

  • New Shirts? (Score:3)

    by hylo (136229) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:46AM (#888615) Homepage
    I want a shirt with the DeCSS on one side and a copy of the subpoena on the other.
  • by efuseekay (138418) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM (#888616) Homepage
    MPAA obviously realized the power of Trouzetky's (damned spelling) testimony and put Copyleft into the suit to be "consistent". I am sure they did it with much reluctance : how idiotic are they looking right now! But they don't have a choice : their act is a signal of capitulation that their suit is a lot more wide-ranging than they thought, and it's not going to help them by going after more and more trivial stuff.

    To put in mildly : eventually they will have to sue everybody else with even trivial connections to the code. Technically, they are know trying to patent an algorithm : which will be dangerous to the scientific and engineering community if they wins (so they won't : imagine Fourier patenting the Fourier Transform, or that Runge and Kutta patenting the RK4 algorithm!)

    This is going to be fun :)
  • Re:More!!! (Score:3)

    by egburr (141740) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:57AM (#888617) Homepage
    How about breaking it up in a set, each piece sold separately. One section of the code on the shirt, another section on the pants, a few subroutines on each sock, etc. Individually, each piece is worthless (and so they shouldn't have anything to prosecute on). However, wear it all at once, and...

    Edward Burr
  • Enemy of the State (Score:3)

    by Mr. Jaggers (167308) <jaggerz@g m a i l . c om> on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM (#888618) Homepage
    It's nice to see that the judicial system is starting to understand how *impossible* a banning solution would be. Kinda reminds me of 60's demonstrations where hundreds of people get carted off to jail. Now we have people (Corley, CopyLeft, etc...) putting their freedom on the line to defend freedoms that we thought only geeks understood fully!
    And they thought 2600 was just a hacker rag...
    (jeez... now I sound like katz ;)

  • by Spudley (171066) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:56AM (#888619) Homepage Journal
    If I recall correctly (and I frequently don't, so feel free to correct me!)...

    When PGP was banned from use outside the US, someone found a way around the ban by printing the code, and taking the printed code overseas.

    The idea was that the print-out was "speech" rather than "code", and therefore was exempt from the ban (because "speech" is protected by the constitution).

    So, how does that translate to these T-shirts? Well, the issue is with code, right.. Or with software that can circumvent the encrption.

    As I see it, these T-shirts are neither of the above, so how is the prosecution going to make this stick? If printed code is speech, then surely so is a printed t-shirt. It is surely protected by the constitution?
  • by fatphil (181876) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:50AM (#888620) Homepage
    An offensive T-Shirt is illegal if it breaks decency laws.
    If it is decided that mere source code is illegal, then its propogation via T-shirt print is, sadly, as illegal.
    There's nothing special about T-Shirts, they're merely another medium.

    FatPhil
  • Re:More!!! (Score:3)

    by Vuarnet (207505) <luis_milan&hotmail,com> on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:20AM (#888621) Homepage
    Hmm... "Illegal briefs in Court"?

  • by pb (1020) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:54AM (#888622)
    Break out the ol' black arm-bands, and print that three-line perl script to encrypt all our data, because the nerds are back...

    Maybe eventually we can get rid of "programming patents", since all programming is expressible as a discrete system, and therefore can be formalized as math, and math cannot be patented.

    However, any piece of digital information can be expressed as, say, one big number, and that can't be patented either. But tell that to the MPAA/RIAA...

    Actually, I'd love to post, say, an mpeg of "The Matrix" in base 10. See if anyone bothers to download it and convert it, *or* tries to sue me. ;)
    ---
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [ncsu.edu].
  • by Wah (30840) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:01AM (#888623) Homepage Journal
    if they wish to restrain free speech, they have to do it across the board. I wonder if the judge has looked at the number of DeCSS mirrors on the Net. I wonder if he realizes what exactly he sets in motion by declaring this code illegal. Either way, I've still got my t-shirt on today, and if someday that's a felony, well, then this country is more fucked up than I thought.

    --
  • by remande (31154) <(remande) (at) (bigfoot.com)> on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:08AM (#888624) Homepage
    You are correct. However, the point of the T-shirt is to show the court that they are indeed dealing with a speech issue. To a non-geek, source code looks like so much technotrash, not an actual communication.

    Without the T-shirt, the court may have made the mistake of assuming that it was dealing with mere technology, rather than actual speech. Code is technology, and most technology is not speech. A car isn't free speech, is it? T-shirts show that, unlike most technology, software is speech.

    T-shirts are just another medium, but it is a medium that non-geeks recognize as speech.

  • by jheinen (82399) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:44AM (#888625) Homepage
    I think we should get the code printed on the side of an 18" dildo. I'd like to see that introduced as evidence.

    -Vercingetorix
  • by webword (82711) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:20AM (#888626) Homepage
    Sort of a related opinion piece by Dave Winer...

    Software and the First Amendment [userland.com]

    "There is no difference between code and writing. I think I can prove it. Manila, the content management system that I use, supports macros. When you put text in curly braces, as the page is rendered, the macro is evaluated. Such macros can be embedded in protected speech, ie prose. What goes inside the curly braces is program logic. So if I want First Amendment protection for my code all I have to do is embed it in a Web page."

    John S. Rhodes
    WebWord.com [webword.com] -- Usability Vortal and News Hub

  • by isaac_akira (88220) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:21AM (#888627)
    I think the laws can be written to deal with intent, so anyone who creates something with the *intent* of distributing the source code could be charged.

    Ob. Analogy: It is illegal to take a gun and murder someone, but it's *also* illegal to setup a little rube goldberg device so that when the person opens a door, a rope pulls something off a shelf, that lands on the remote, which turns on the tv, which scares the dog, whose leash is attached to the trigger, so that when he runs across the room, the gun goes off. If your intent was the murder, then you will end up in jail.

    - Isaac =)
  • Wet DeCSS Contest (Score:4)

    by dragonfly_blue (101697) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:48AM (#888628) Homepage
    "Hey, baby, I can C right through your shirt!" Sorry, first story I checked today, and the first thing that popped into my head... *g*
  • How about this? (Score:4)

    by donglekey (124433) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:03AM (#888629) Homepage
    Not to get slashdot in trouble or anything but ...

    /*
    * css_descramble.c
    *
    * Released under the version 2 of the GPL.
    *
    * Copyright 1999 Derek Fawcus
    *
    * This file contains functions to descramble CSS encrypted DVD content
    *
    */

    /*
    * Still in progress: Remove the use of the bit_reverse[] table by recoding
    * the generation of LFSR1. Finish combining this with
    * the css authentication code.
    *
    */

    #include
    #include
    #include "css-descramble.h"

    typedef unsigned char byte;

    /*
    *
    * some tables used for descrambling sectors and/or decrypting title keys
    *
    */

    static byte csstab1[256]=
    {
    0x33,0x73,0x3b,0x26,0x63,0x23,0x6b,0x76,0x3e,0x7e, 0x36,0x2b,0x6e,0x2e,0x66,0x7b,
    0xd3,0x93,0xdb,0x06,0x43,0x03,0x4b,0x96,0xde,0x9e, 0xd6,0x0b,0x4e,0x0e,0x46,0x9b,
    0x57,0x17,0x5f,0x82,0xc7,0x87,0xcf,0x12,0x5a,0x1a, 0x52,0x8f,0xca,0x8a,0xc2,0x1f,
    0xd9,0x99,0xd1,0x00,0x49,0x09,0x41,0x90,0xd8,0x98, 0xd0,0x01,0x48,0x08,0x40,0x91,
    0x3d,0x7d,0x35,0x24,0x6d,0x2d,0x65,0x74,0x3c,0x7c, 0x34,0x25,0x6c,0x2c,0x64,0x75,
    0xdd,0x9d,0xd5,0x04,0x4d,0x0d,0x45,0x94,0xdc,0x9c, 0xd4,0x05,0x4c,0x0c,0x44,0x95,
    0x59,0x19,0x51,0x80,0xc9,0x89,0xc1,0x10,0x58,0x18, 0x50,0x81,0xc8,0x88,0xc0,0x11,
    0xd7,0x97,0xdf,0x02,0x47,0x07,0x4f,0x92,0xda,0x9a, 0xd2,0x0f,0x4a,0x0a,0x42,0x9f,
    0x53,0x13,0x5b,0x86,0xc3,0x83,0xcb,0x16,0x5e,0x1e, 0x56,0x8b,0xce,0x8e,0xc6,0x1b,
    0xb3,0xf3,0xbb,0xa6,0xe3,0xa3,0xeb,0xf6,0xbe,0xfe, 0xb6,0xab,0xee,0xae,0xe6,0xfb,
    0x37,0x77,0x3f,0x22,0x67,0x27,0x6f,0x72,0x3a,0x7a, 0x32,0x2f,0x6a,0x2a,0x62,0x7f,
    0xb9,0xf9,0xb1,0xa0,0xe9,0xa9,0xe1,0xf0,0xb8,0xf8, 0xb0,0xa1,0xe8,0xa8,0xe0,0xf1,
    0x5d,0x1d,0x55,0x84,0xcd,0x8d,0xc5,0x14,0x5c,0x1c, 0x54,0x85,0xcc,0x8c,0xc4,0x15,
    0xbd,0xfd,0xb5,0xa4,0xed,0xad,0xe5,0xf4,0xbc,0xfc, 0xb4,0xa5,0xec,0xac,0xe4,0xf5,
    0x39,0x79,0x31,0x20,0x69,0x29,0x61,0x70,0x38,0x78, 0x30,0x21,0x68,0x28,0x60,0x71,
    0xb7,0xf7,0xbf,0xa2,0xe7,0xa7,0xef,0xf2,0xba,0xfa, 0xb2,0xaf,0xea,0xaa,0xe2,0xff
    };

    static byte lfsr1_bits0[256]=
    {
    0x00,0x01,0x02,0x03,0x04,0x05,0x06,0x07,0x09,0x08, 0x0b,0x0a,0x0d,0x0c,0x0f,0x0e,
    0x12,0x13,0x10,0x11,0x16,0x17,0x14,0x15,0x1b,0x1a, 0x19,0x18,0x1f,0x1e,0x1d,0x1c,
    0x24,0x25,0x26,0x27,0x20,0x21,0x22,0x23,0x2d,0x2c, 0x2f,0x2e,0x29,0x28,0x2b,0x2a,
    0x36,0x37,0x34,0x35,0x32,0x33,0x30,0x31,0x3f,0x3e, 0x3d,0x3c,0x3b,0x3a,0x39,0x38,
    0x49,0x48,0x4b,0x4a,0x4d,0x4c,0x4f,0x4e,0x40,0x41, 0x42,0x43,0x44,0x45,0x46,0x47,
    0x5b,0x5a,0x59,0x58,0x5f,0x5e,0x5d,0x5c,0x52,0x53, 0x50,0x51,0x56,0x57,0x54,0x55,
    0x6d,0x6c,0x6f,0x6e,0x69,0x68,0x6b,0x6a,0x64,0x65, 0x66,0x67,0x60,0x61,0x62,0x63,
    0x7f,0x7e,0x7d,0x7c,0x7b,0x7a,0x79,0x78,0x76,0x77, 0x74,0x75,0x72,0x73,0x70,0x71,
    0x92,0x93,0x90,0x91,0x96,0x97,0x94,0x95,0x9b,0x9a, 0x99,0x98,0x9f,0x9e,0x9d,0x9c,
    0x80,0x81,0x82,0x83,0x84,0x85,0x86,0x87,0x89,0x88, 0x8b,0x8a,0x8d,0x8c,0x8f,0x8e,
    0xb6,0xb7,0xb4,0xb5,0xb2,0xb3,0xb0,0xb1,0xbf,0xbe, 0xbd,0xbc,0xbb,0xba,0xb9,0xb8,
    0xa4,0xa5,0xa6,0xa7,0xa0,0xa1,0xa2,0xa3,0xad,0xac, 0xaf,0xae,0xa9,0xa8,0xab,0xaa,
    0xdb,0xda,0xd9,0xd8,0xdf,0xde,0xdd,0xdc,0xd2,0xd3, 0xd0,0xd1,0xd6,0xd7,0xd4,0xd5,
    0xc9,0xc8,0xcb,0xca,0xcd,0xcc,0xcf,0xce,0xc0,0xc1, 0xc2,0xc3,0xc4,0xc5,0xc6,0xc7,
    0xff,0xfe,0xfd,0xfc,0xfb,0xfa,0xf9,0xf8,0xf6,0xf7, 0xf4,0xf5,0xf2,0xf3,0xf0,0xf1,
    0xed,0xec,0xef,0xee,0xe9,0xe8,0xeb,0xea,0xe4,0xe5, 0xe6,0xe7,0xe0,0xe1,0xe2,0xe3
    };

    static byte lfsr1_bits1[512]=
    {
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,
    0x00,0x24,0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff,0x00,0x24, 0x49,0x6d,0x92,0xb6,0xdb,0xff
    };

    /* Reverse the order of the bits within a byte.
    */
    static byte bit_reverse[256]=
    {
    0x00,0x80,0x40,0xc0,0x20,0xa0,0x60,0xe0,0x10,0x90, 0x50,0xd0,0x30,0xb0,0x70,0xf0,
    0x08,0x88,0x48,0xc8,0x28,0xa8,0x68,0xe8,0x18,0x98, 0x58,0xd8,0x38,0xb8,0x78,0xf8,
    0x04,0x84,0x44,0xc4,0x24,0xa4,0x64,0xe4,0x14,0x94, 0x54,0xd4,0x34,0xb4,0x74,0xf4,
    0x0c,0x8c,0x4c,0xcc,0x2c,0xac,0x6c,0xec,0x1c,0x9c, 0x5c,0xdc,0x3c,0xbc,0x7c,0xfc,
    0x02,0x82,0x42,0xc2,0x22,0xa2,0x62,0xe2,0x12,0x92, 0x52,0xd2,0x32,0xb2,0x72,0xf2,
    0x0a,0x8a,0x4a,0xca,0x2a,0xaa,0x6a,0xea,0x1a,0x9a, 0x5a,0xda,0x3a,0xba,0x7a,0xfa,
    0x06,0x86,0x46,0xc6,0x26,0xa6,0x66,0xe6,0x16,0x96, 0x56,0xd6,0x36,0xb6,0x76,0xf6,
    0x0e,0x8e,0x4e,0xce,0x2e,0xae,0x6e,0xee,0x1e,0x9e, 0x5e,0xde,0x3e,0xbe,0x7e,0xfe,
    0x01,0x81,0x41,0xc1,0x21,0xa1,0x61,0xe1,0x11,0x91, 0x51,0xd1,0x31,0xb1,0x71,0xf1,
    0x09,0x89,0x49,0xc9,0x29,0xa9,0x69,0xe9,0x19,0x99, 0x59,0xd9,0x39,0xb9,0x79,0xf9,
    0x05,0x85,0x45,0xc5,0x25,0xa5,0x65,0xe5,0x15,0x95, 0x55,0xd5,0x35,0xb5,0x75,0xf5,
    0x0d,0x8d,0x4d,0xcd,0x2d,0xad,0x6d,0xed,0x1d,0x9d, 0x5d,0xdd,0x3d,0xbd,0x7d,0xfd,
    0x03,0x83,0x43,0xc3,0x23,0xa3,0x63,0xe3,0x13,0x93, 0x53,0xd3,0x33,0xb3,0x73,0xf3,
    0x0b,0x8b,0x4b,0xcb,0x2b,0xab,0x6b,0xeb,0x1b,0x9b, 0x5b,0xdb,0x3b,0xbb,0x7b,0xfb,
    0x07,0x87,0x47,0xc7,0x27,0xa7,0x67,0xe7,0x17,0x97, 0x57,0xd7,0x37,0xb7,0x77,0xf7,
    0x0f,0x8f,0x4f,0xcf,0x2f,0xaf,0x6f,0xef,0x1f,0x9f, 0x5f,0xdf,0x3f,0xbf,0x7f,0xff
    };

    /*
    *
    * this function is only used internally when decrypting title key
    *
    */
    static void css_titlekey(byte *key, byte *im, byte invert)
    {
    unsigned int lfsr1_lo,lfsr1_hi,lfsr0,combined;
    byte o_lfsr0, o_lfsr1;
    byte k[5];
    int i;

    lfsr1_lo = im[0] | 0x100;
    lfsr1_hi = im[1];

    lfsr0 = ((im[4] >8)&0xff] >16)&0xff]>24)&0xff];

    combined = 0;
    for (i = 0; i >1;
    lfsr1_lo = ((lfsr1_lo&1)>7)^(lfsr0>>10)^(lfsr0>>11)^(lfsr0>>1 9);*/
    o_lfsr0 = (((((((lfsr0>>8)^lfsr0)>>1)^lfsr0)>>3)^lfsr0)>>7);
    lfsr0 = (lfsr0>>8)|(o_lfsr0>= 8;
    }

    key[4]=k[4]^csstab1[key[4]]^key[3];
    key[3]=k[3]^csstab1[key[3]]^key[2];
    key[2]=k[2]^csstab1[key[2]]^key[1];
    key[1]=k[1]^csstab1[key[1]]^key[0];
    key[0]=k[0]^csstab1[key[0]]^key[4];

    key[4]=k[4]^csstab1[key[4]]^key[3];
    key[3]=k[3]^csstab1[key[3]]^key[2];
    key[2]=k[2]^csstab1[key[2]]^key[1];
    key[1]=k[1]^csstab1[key[1]]^key[0];
    key[0]=k[0]^csstab1[key[0]];
    }

    /*
    *
    * this function decrypts a title key with the specified disk key
    *
    * tkey: the unobfuscated title key (XORed with BusKey)
    * dkey: the unobfuscated disk key (XORed with BusKey)
    * 2048 bytes in length (though only 5 bytes are needed, see below)
    * pkey: array of pointers to player keys and disk key offsets
    *
    *
    * use the result returned in tkey with css_descramble
    *
    */

    int css_decrypttitlekey(byte *tkey, byte *dkey, struct playkey **pkey)
    {
    byte test[5], pretkey[5];
    int i = 0;

    for (; *pkey; ++pkey, ++i) {
    memcpy(pretkey, dkey + (*pkey)->offset, 5);
    css_titlekey(pretkey, (*pkey)->key, 0);

    memcpy(test, dkey, 5);
    css_titlekey(test, pretkey, 0);

    if (memcmp(test, pretkey, 5) == 0) {
    fprintf(stderr, "Using Key %d\n", i+1);
    break;
    }
    }

    if (!*pkey) {
    fprintf(stderr, "Shit - Need Key %d\n", i+1);
    return 0;
    }

    css_titlekey(tkey, pretkey, 0xff);

    return 1;
    }

    /*
    *
    * this function does the actual descrambling
    *
    * sec: encrypted sector (2048 bytes)
    * key: decrypted title key obtained from css_decrypttitlekey
    *
    */
    void css_descramble(byte *sec,byte *key)
    {
    unsigned int lfsr1_lo,lfsr1_hi,lfsr0,combined;
    unsigned char o_lfsr0, o_lfsr1;
    unsigned char *end = sec + 0x800;
    #define SALTED(i) (key[i] ^ sec[0x54 + (i)])

    lfsr1_lo = SALTED(0) | 0x100;
    lfsr1_hi = SALTED(1);

    lfsr0 = ((SALTED(4) >8)&0xff] >16)&0xff]>24)&0xff];

    sec+=0x80;
    combined = 0;
    while (sec != end) {
    o_lfsr1 = lfsr1_bits0[lfsr1_hi] ^ lfsr1_bits1[lfsr1_lo];
    lfsr1_hi = lfsr1_lo>>1;
    lfsr1_lo = ((lfsr1_lo&1)>7)^(lfsr0>>10)^(lfsr0>>11)^(lfsr0>>1 9);*/
    o_lfsr0 = (((((((lfsr0>>8)^lfsr0)>>1)^lfsr0)>>3)^lfsr0)>>7);
    lfsr0 = (lfsr0>>8)|(o_lfsr0>= 8;
    }
    }
  • Not Surprising (Score:4)

    by rgmoore (133276) <glandauer@charter.net> on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:00AM (#888630) Homepage

    I don't think that this is surprising at all. There's the old saying, "In for a penny, in for a pound." If the MPAA is really serious that DeCSS is a threat to their business, they have to be serious about tracking it down in all of its manifestations. Hell, it was the defense that made that point to start out with- they've basically dared the MPAA to do this very thing by bringing up the issue of the tee shirts in court.

    If the defense is going to stand up and say, in essence, that it's vital to stop the tee shirts for the injunction to mean anything, it's pretty silly of them to complain when the plaintiff goes ahead and does exactly that. Personally, I think that this is a great thing for the defense. The plaintiff is left in the rather difficult position of either refusing to take all steps necessary to protect themselves, in which case their seriousness has to be questioned, or of grossly overreacting by going after apparently trivial and silly violators. Of course it looks that way because it's true.

    IMO, this is a great demonstration of what is really meant by the statement, "Information wants to be free." That's free as in speech, not as in beer. Once you let information out of your tight control, it's out of anyone's control; you can't prevent its unlimited replication.

  • by agentZ (210674) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:32AM (#888631)

    I'm just waiting to hear this in the courtroom:

    You want answers?
    I think I'm entitled--
    You want answers?
    I want the truth!
    You can't handle the truth! The truth is that we live in a world that has source code, and that source code has to be guarded by men with guns. Who's going to do it? You? You Mr. /. reader? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for 2600 and you curse the MPAA. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that banning the DeCSS code, while tragic, probably makes people money. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, makes me a hell of a lot of money. You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me in your computer system, you need me on that computer system. We use words like copyright, code, royalty. We use these words as the backbone of defending a an ancient business model. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very exorbitant prices that I charge and then questions the manner in which I charge them. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a DVD player and start buying movies at forty bucks a pop. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!

  • by ribone (210771) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:06AM (#888632)
    Our society (the US) is idiotic and selfish. I can't believe we've collectively sunk so low as to allow such ridiculous litigation into the public record. The fact that lawyers can constipate our justice system with such crap only verifies what I've longed feared. We're doomed as a society because we no longer have any brains or spines.

    Somebody posted up a wonderful quote from Thomas Jefferson the other day. I'm sorry to say that I can't give credit directly to the person who posted this up, but I think it's absolutely wonderful. As for me, I can't wait to move to Sweden....

    Quote follows:
    Thomas Jefferson to Isaac McPherson
    13 Aug. 1813Writings 13:333--34

    It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but inheritable to their heirs. But while it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all, it would be singular to admit a natural and even an hereditary right to inventors. It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance. By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it, but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of natural right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property. If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction ofman, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from anybody. Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices.
  • by ColdN (215731) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:00AM (#888633) Homepage
    From http://www.pgpi.org/pgpi/project/scanning/ :

    The heart of the issue is the US
    Export Regulations, which classifies
    cryptographic software as
    munitions(!). Thus you need a
    license in order to export PGP from
    the USA. However, the Export
    Regulations only covers software in
    electronic form (e.g. on disks, or via
    the Internet). PGP 5.0i, on the other
    hand, was compiled from source
    code that was printed in a book (well, actually 12
    books - over 6000 pages!). The books were exported
    from the USA in accordance with the US Export
    Regulations, and the pages were then scanned and
    OCRed to make the source available in electronic
    form.
  • Re:Control (Score:5)

    by Syberghost (10557) <syberghost.eiv@com> on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:11AM (#888634) Homepage
    And this is all coming from the tech culture that has no shared political issues, if you belive Mr Katz.

    Perhaps you should have read Mr. Katz more carefully.

    He never said we didn't have political issues, he just said that most of 'em weren't about concrete issues like food, clothing, and shelter; they're about more esoteric issues, like speech and freedom. And that we don't do anything substantive about them.

    How many of us have actually *DONE* something about this issue? Not buying a damn t-shirt, actually showing up at political fundraisers and asking your Congressman what his position is?

    Actually writing a letter to your Senator, not just yet another completely ignored form email?

    The biggest political stand most geeks take is changing their fucking signature line, or the background color of their web page.

    And most of us won't even do that much; how many people are taking this opportunity to actually BUY one of those t-shirts, not just /. the Copyleft site viewing it?

    --
  • Re:Control (Score:5)

    by arivanov (12034) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:25AM (#888635) Homepage
    Well, and it is not simply control. It is control way beyond the level the US government, FBI, etc have ever been able to exercise.

    To remind you the PGP code was published as a book, shipped out of the US, scanned and reentered by volunteers. This is the way US export controls were circumvented.

    If the T-shirt case is won by MPAA someone may rise the old Fred Zimmerman case again. And this has much wider implications than we can actually imagine.

    disclaimer: I bought one of the T-shirts and I am wearing it from time to time
  • by um... Lucas (13147) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @08:42AM (#888636) Journal
    it's rather hilarious that the overall sentiment on slashdot is that

    1 - Spam should be outlawed, while source code is speech.

    2 - Music is just bits, and should not afforded any protection, yet again, source code is a constitutional right.

    As long as the mentality is so lopsided like that, anyone who looks in to the community will think that everyone is utterly confused.

  • Re:Control (Score:5)

    by handorf (29768) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:47AM (#888637)
    I can rewrite the quote as,
    "Someone [said] if the calvin & Hobbes comics were banned, the only way to prevent that knowledge from being transmitted would be to ban it in all its forms ... even on t-shirts and hidden in image files - all of these would have to be banned because the pictures are so easily retrievable from all of them."


    But what if you had Mssr. Watersons (IIRC) permission? Then why would a 3rd party be allowed to ban it? DeCSS is not copyrighted by the MPAA, but they are trying to control distribution of it.

    There are cases where this is allowed:
    1) Copyright infringement. But only a copyright holder can prosecute this (IANAL)
    2) Obscenity. Um... this stuff turns you on???

    BTW: I'm mostly paraphrasing from other posts. I have no thoughts of my own...

  • by Janthkin (32289) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:09AM (#888638) Homepage
    If it is decided that mere source code is illegal, then its propogation via T-shirt print is, sadly, as illegal. There's nothing special about T-Shirts, they're merely another medium.

    I'm not sure if you simply missed the point, or if you're attempting to show that T-shirts are no different than electrons on a screen. In either case: the principal difference is that a T-shirt is something this judge (and ALL the American people, excluding the Amish, who probably don't frequent /. anyway) can identify with. Suddenly it's not "This piece of software is breaking our copyprotection, and is illegal", it's "This T-shirt is breaking our copyprotection, and is therefore illegal". This latter arguement sounds considerably more ludicrous, don't you think? Most people will, and if the judge supports the MPAA on this one, he's going to sound the same, to say nothing of the Congressmen who continue to support this law. And (hopefully) the voters might pay attention, and pick some less ludicrous people in the future... or at least that's what we want the politicians to think, so that they STOP the MPAA.
  • by Saraphale (65475) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM (#888639)

    So if one really wants to afford the plaintiffs the protection that they seek, I think I would only be able to wear my shirt in the privacy of my own home and must not go outdoors with it.

    What if you wore a jumper over the t-shirt? Is that a form of steganography? Or would that just be considered smuggling? :)

  • by taniwha (70410) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:52AM (#888640) Homepage Journal
    hmmmm .... I wonder where I'll put it ..... is the judge a prude?
  • More!!! (Score:5)

    by deefer (82630) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:49AM (#888641) Homepage
    CopyLeft should now start producing other items of clothing... I can just see some crusty old lawyer holding up a pair of crothless panties with DeCSS printed on them to the jury...
    "Exhibit A, your honour!"
    Should garner even more press coverage...

    Strong data typing is for those with weak minds.

  • by Jim Tyre (100017) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:41AM (#888642) Homepage
    Copyleft has joined the ranks of the named defendants in the DeCSS suit - they received their subpoena yesterday

    There is a difference between a subpoena and a summons, the former being what compels testimony from a witness, the latter being what brings a person into a lawsuit as a party.

    If we're talking about the New York DeCSS case, which just was tried, then it makes no sense that a new entity could be brought in as a defendant, after trial, especially since the issues surrounding distribution of printed source are quite different than those surrouning compiled object.

    On the other hand, this could refer to one of the two other DeCSS cases, the ones in California and Connecticut, respectively, but the article gives no indication.

    If anyone does know whether it is a subpoena or a summons, and in which case, please do post, because as a lawyer who has been following the cases, I am having trouble making any logical sense of this.

  • by the_quark (101253) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:20AM (#888643) Homepage
    I was at PGP when we printed the source code. The source code was printed so that we could easily distribute it for review without having to worry about US Export law. Crypto was once classified as a munition, but by the time the PGP source was printed, that definition was changed and it was by the standard export controls that prevent you from doing things like exporting super computers to Libya. Obviously, though, one of the things we were trying to accomplish was to clearly underscore that, to keep PGP in the country, the government would have to ban a book, which really makes clear the First Ammendment issues. I think the DeCSS people would be extremely wise to print up the code in a book and begin selling it - if the judge in the case has to actually ban a book, I think that would really bring home the issues.

    Also, for what it's worth, export regs on crypto have now significantly been loosened, and it is now legally possible to export "machine readable" crypto code without an explicit license.

  • Re:Control (Score:5)

    by (void*) (113680) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:39AM (#888644)
    That is not what the argument is about. Bear in mind that DeCSS is not a patented algorithm. Nor is it copyrighted (CSS may be copyrighted, but DeCSS?). In fact, CSS is just a trade-secret - that is all. DeCSS is something else altogther.

    There is nothing illegal about writing a free public, source code on T-shirts. Should I be arrested for putting the source code of Quicksort on a T-Shirt. Yes, Quicksort was discovered by C.A.R. Hoare. But by publishing it, Hoare has "given" that knowledge to the public. Just like DeCSS, which as effectively the same status.

  • Control (Score:5)

    by Dungeon Dweller (134014) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:48AM (#888645)
    This isn't even about their damned DVD's anymore, it's about control. Who the heck is going to buy a T-Shirt just so they can copy the source code into their computer. You can download it for free off the net. People who are buying the t-shirt are making a statement. Either these people want to completely stamp out any thought that they could ever be beaten, or they want to stamp out EVERY COPY EVERYWHERE. Why worry about a freaking t-shirt when you can get it all over the net? These people are really, litterally, making a federal case over their ability to stamp out independant thought.

  • by John Jorsett (171560) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:52AM (#888646)
    Not mentioned in the story: who is issuing the subpoena, the defense or the prosecution? And exactly what is being subpoened. The shirt? Sales records (in which case will the MPAA SS be kicking in the doors of anyone who bought one)?
  • Here's a question (Score:5)

    by John Jorsett (171560) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:58AM (#888647)
    Let's say for the sake of argument that the code itself could be banned. How about a program that generated the code (for example a perl script that output the C source when invoked)? How about a program that generated that program? How about a story containing sentences whose first letters contain the source code? I can't conceive of a way that the judge could possibly ban all of the ways in which this knowledge could be represented. The MPAA is trying to command the tides to recede.
  • Error (Score:5)

    by ShaniaTwain (197446) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:04AM (#888648) Homepage
    Sytax Error - Line 1 - Parameter "boom chakalaka" not recognized.

    -
  • Re:Control (Score:5)

    by skoda (211470) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @07:23AM (#888649) Homepage
    While I enjoy the humor and chutzpah behind the T-shirt, this notion of "if it can be on a t-shirt, then it's free-speech" seems a bit off.

    1) I could print copyrighted works on a t-shirt. It's "free speech" but it's still not legal without the copyright holder's permission

    2) If someone were to break an NDA and, say, print Intel's trace diagram for their super-secret next gen processor, I don't think "it's free speech -- see it's on a T-shirt" would fly.

    3) Indecency laws (as others have pointed out)

    Just because it's "free speech" doesn't make it legal.
  • by tenzig_112 (213387) on Tuesday August 01 2000, @06:55AM (#888650) Homepage
    Oppenheimer should have never given out those custom-printed shirts to the Los Alamos team members with exact instructions for purifying weapons grade plutonium.

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