Comment Re:Homosexuals and marriage: ability vs. right (Score 1) 868
Some cultures were tolerant of homosexuality itself (even if they mocked it a bit), but none equated homosexual unions with marriage.
They were tolerant to the point of recognizing the unions; sanctioning and accepting them within society with the same deference as hetero unions.
What "equivalent of gay marriage"?
The roman equivalent of marriage; since marriage in 200 AD doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as marriage means today.
"With this man[1] Elagabalus[2] went through a nuptial ceremony and consummated a marriage [...]"
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/T...
[1] - Zoticus, a male consort of Elagabulus
[2] - Elagabulus, Roman Emperor, AD 218 to 222
And he was hardly the first or only, but at least this one is rather clearly and unambiguously documented as a "marriage", and not some other male-male relationship.
but it was always "hetero".
It really wasn't though.
Exactly. And the primary (if not the only) purpose of it â" always and everywhere â" was to rear children.
That would only be necessary in monogamous marriages within a Christian framework. It was plenty common for plural marriages to include marriages to both men and women.
And where did those children come from? Adoption? Surrogate mothers?
Additional female wives, concubines, consorts...
I fail to see, how a union of one male and one female must imply the former's ownership of the latter.
Those marriages you speak of for the purpose of "rearing children" were much more than that.
Those "Marriages" were contracts of chattel, duties, and obligations. (And the women was the chattel). The entire purpose of those "for the purpose of child rearing" marriages was not simply to bring a man and women together to produce children, but to establish the payment to the women's family for chattel rights to the woman and the joint offspring, define the amount of the payment, and to define terms for reparations to the 'buyer' if an offspring wasn't forthcoming. (including the return of the 'merchandise' and 'refund', perhaps even damages for time etc. To suggest that those elements are of "marriage" are any more or any less intrinsic to the transaction than the hetero nature of those contracts is simply nuts.