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EU Considering Regulating Video Bloggers 351

Aglassis writes to tell us that recent proposed EU legislation could require anyone running a website featuring video content to acquire a broadcast license. From the article: "Personal websites would have to be licensed as a "television-like service". Once again the reasoning behind such legislation is said to be in order to set minimum standards on areas such as hate speech and the protection of children. In reality this directive would do nothing to protect children or prevent hate speech - unless you judge protecting children to be denying them access to anything that is not government regulated or you assume hate speech to be the criticism of government actions and policy."
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  • Taxman! (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BWJones ( 18351 ) * on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:24PM (#16479367) Homepage Journal

    Let me tell you how it will be
    There's one for you, nineteen for me
    Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

    Should five per cent appear too small
    Be thankful I don't take it all
    Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

    If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
    If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
    If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
    If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet

    Taxman!
    Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

    Don't ask me what I want it for (Aahh Mr. Wilson)
    If you don't want to pay some more (Aahh Mr. Heath)
    Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

    Now my advice for those who die
    Declare the pennies on your eyes
    Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

    And you're working for no one but me
    Taxman!


    -George Harrison

  • by the_humeister ( 922869 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:34PM (#16479479)
    On the one hand, the government just wants more money. On the other hand, these are the same officials who likely go along with the internet being a series of tubes. But seriously, how can these asshats believe that hosting a video is anything like being a broadcaster? Oh, yeah I just answered my own question: it's the money despite any other explanations they give.
  • Thin justification (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MoralHazard ( 447833 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:34PM (#16479485)
    Once again the reasoning behind such legislation is said to be in order to set minimum standards on areas such as hate speech and the protection of children.

    As for protecting the children, I think they'd be more interested in regulating MySpacesterKut et al. I mean, that's where all the pedophiles are gathering, which represents an ACTUAL threat to children, rather than the viewing of naughty videos, which represents... well, no real threat at all. I mean, WTF?

    But more to the point: anytime someone wants to do something "in the interests of the children", doesn't your bullshit detector go off like crazy? Mine did, so I thought this through:

    1) Hate speech and naughty content can occur equally as well via the media of text and pictures. Video doesn't necessarily add anything to either one. In fact, any smart, savvy Holocaust denier will tell you that text is a far more efficient and cost-effective method of defaming Jews.

    2) Text (chat, specifically) is really the ONLY thing for which you can make a halfway-serious argument about the protection of children online. The idea that videos will somehow threaten children (they'll come get you in the middle of the night!) is just inane.

    3) Broadcast license fees open up a new revenue source for the government, which can be used to directly tax internet content (which so far is nearly unheard of).

    I mean, this is practically a QED: It's about money, specifically taxes.
  • by Makito ( 518963 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:41PM (#16479551)
    Makes you stop for a second to think, are they talking about China or the EU?
  • So... how long? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cyphertube ( 62291 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:43PM (#16479587) Homepage Journal

    How long until we see countries leaving the EU? I mean, I really like the idea of a common currency, but given the number of problems and the obvious attempts to create a single government to rule over Europe, how long until the UK decides to leave?

    Can anyone point out to me how the UK benefits from being in the EU (as opposed to the EEA)? When (not if) the Conservatives come back to power, what reason do they have to remain in a union that subsidises crappy French farming?

    Too many problems of history are wrapped up in the EU. Germans are afraid of their past, and so is everyone else. France wants to get the EU Constitution so it can try to run Europe as a rebuilding of Napoleon's empire. A lot of poorer nations have joined to get subsidies. It sounds really nice, but the cost is egregious.

  • by operagost ( 62405 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:44PM (#16479593) Homepage Journal

    Thanks to all those who are "offended" by ignorant, belligerent, and on rare occasions insightful opinions, we have the PC phrase "hate speech." This phrase is a wonderful thing, being so flexible that it can be applied almost without limitation. Today it's used against people who are pro-life, against racial and gender quotas, practice or identify their faith publicly, or oppose illegal immigration. Today, it will also be used to justify modding down this post. Tomorrow, it will be used against you to place you in prison.

    You reap what you sow.

  • by MillionthMonkey ( 240664 ) * on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:48PM (#16479619)
    That was the whole point, preventing people from stepping on each others frequencies. The stuff having to do with foul language and whatnot was a nice side benefit- after all you can't let people curse on the airwaves if they are public, can you? So you get rid of foul language without specifically curbing speech and it's a nice middle ground as long as you have to impose a broadcast licensing system anyway.

    But we have gotten used to the side benefit and lost track of the original purpose for the licensing infrastructure, which is almost gone. The only reason to have broadcast licenses anymore is to control what people are allowed to say and which words are to be included in the infamous unutterable seven, and to collect the fines levied on people who say the wrong thing.
  • by Loki7154 ( 548862 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:49PM (#16479641)
    "Those who give up essential liberty to gain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety"

    That was Ben Franklin. Not a president.

  • by Babbster ( 107076 ) <aaronbabb@NoSPaM.gmail.com> on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @09:53PM (#16479673) Homepage
    Wow. That was the quickest reverse slam on the US I've seen on Slashdot yet. The article has nothing to do with the US, the person you're replying to didn't mention the US, yet you managed to make it all about the US. Well played, asshat!
  • by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) * on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:01PM (#16479749) Journal
    I'm not attacking the USA. If I'd said "the USA are crap", I'd have been attacking the USA.

    I'm attacking the current administration - I live in the USA. I like the USA (well, the parts I've managed to visit, anyway). I like the people. I loath the administration and what they've done to the fundamental rights of humans, all in the name of "protection". I loath the callous manipulation of people just to maintain their grasp on power. I loath the casual attitude to human life if it's not the life of one of their voters.

    If I'd read the last 5 years in a sci-fi novel, I'd say the author was high - no-one would be able to do that to the USA, would they ? Sadly, they could, and they did.

    Note the lack of personal attacks in this too...

    Simon.
  • by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) * on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:10PM (#16479811) Journal
    Hmm - I've not seen the meme "Bush is Hitler" before, but maybe that's because I don't watch CNN.

    There's a fair amount of criticism of this latest insult to human rights, and it's not just on CNN. The right of "habeus corpus" is the fundamental right of a prisoner to demand a *fair* review of why he is a captive. If you don't have that right (which by the way, your constitution prevents being suspended unless you're being invaded or you're in rebellion), pretty much any other right in the bill of rights is irrelevant. You can be held indefinitely, and suffer any indignity because they never have to free you.

    [from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]]
    According to Christopher Anders, an ACLU Legislative Counsel, "nothing could be less American than a government that can indefinitely hold people in secret torture cells, take away their protections against horrific and cruel abuse, put them on trial based on evidence that they cannot see, sentence them to death based on testimony literally beaten out of witnesses, and then slam shut the courthouse door for any habeas petition, but that's exactly what Congress just approved."

    Simon.
  • Why video? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:15PM (#16479853)
    Because text and pictures are protected by the constitutions of all EU countries (free speech). You can say and publish anything without asking for permission from anyone. You can be prosecuted (slander, discrimination etc), but only after the fact. Video and internet, a series of tubes as I gather, just wasnt around when those constitutions where written. I think our constitutions should be brushed up to include free speech on internet.

    So what about radio and tv, broadcasters need a licence. Thats because the airwaves are owned by the government, which rent frequencies to broadcasters. This gives governments power over who broadcasts in advance, which has pros and cons, but ultimatly hampers free speech.

    Bas
  • by Krischi ( 61667 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:17PM (#16479863) Homepage
    If this directive passes, it will severely restrict freedom of speech and expression among deaf sign language users. In the past year or so, sign language videos and video blogs have exploded in popularity and are well on their way to become the primary means of sharing information across the Internet among the deaf.

    Video communication would be severely curtailed, compared to voice communication. As ridiculous as it may sound, one unintended consequence of this directive would thus be discrimination against a specific disability, which itself is prohibited under EU law. This needs to be fought tooth and nail, for more than just free speech reasons.
  • by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:18PM (#16479883)
    I am not a historian, but wasn't the whole point of broadcast licenses to prevent frequency interference? Is that really relevant with the way things work on the Internet today?

    Come now, you don't think this legislation has anything scientific reasoning behind it, do you? It's just a convienent way for the govenment to exercise control over free speech and raise revenue.
  • by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) * on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:24PM (#16479951) Journal
    It has nothing to do with the article, I'll grant you. The reason for posting was simple irritation - A post critical of the EU, and highly likely to be US-based (based on the time-of-posting, the fact that ~70% of /. traffic is US-sourced, and that it was anti-EU). Since then it has sort of grown a life all its own...

    And suspension of HC (I'm sick of typing it out!) _is_ a big deal. When the UK introduced the RIP bill [wikipedia.org] (another odious piece of legislation) that would bring back the Star Chamber [wikipedia.org] for some offences if part-3 ever gets passed, there were many protests, even some civil unrest at one of them, IIRC. If they'd tried to remove HC, I can't believe it would have gone over as smoothly as it seems to have done here... You lot don't even get the Star Chamber...

    As a foreign national living in the USA, it obviously concerns me a lot more than your average slashdotter, but the language of who this bill affects is sufficiently vague as to probably include US citizens as well.

    Now perhaps I'll stop replying to people, and the thread can die a natural death - next time I'm irritated by someone, I'll not bother posting, I reckon!

    Simon.
  • sounds fishy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by WeeBit ( 961530 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:25PM (#16479963)
    I think someone is being influenced by the RIAA. If you can manage to get this passed, then they could start regulating all of the media including ALL music, and video. Think about it. They mentioned other Countries will also go along with this plan. What better way could they come up with to halt it all? First the media, next is wav mp3 and so on. Total control in the end.
  • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:27PM (#16479979)
    recent proposed EU legislation could require anyone running a website featuring video content to acquire a broadcast license.

          So how does the EU plan to regulate a website run from say, Uganda, exactly? Sanctions? Boycott? Censorship?
  • by ricree ( 969643 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:50PM (#16480201)
    It's about control. More and more, it seems as though those in government can't stand the idea that there's something out there that they aren't in control of. Yes, this initiative might bring in a little more revenue, but more importantly requiring a license means that they can revoke that license whenever they decide that they disagree with what is being said.
  • by ricree ( 969643 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @10:57PM (#16480245)
    The fact is that Europeans enjoy slaughtering and conquering each other in extreme numbers. England once three quarters of the globe under its domination. Romans and Spaniards conquered by the sword. Scandanavians raped and pillaged across the continent. Anyone remember Bosnia? And as for Germans - well, lets not even go there. The fact is that Europeans are savage and warlike and desperately need structures to take their minds of the delicious thought of grabbing their neighbour by the throat.
    Unlike, say, the Persians, Japanese, Mongols, Azteks, Egyptians, or Incas. Let's face it, if you really want to look at it this way, you'd have to replace the word "European" with human. For the most part, in every place in the world that there has been someone to conquer and someone strong enough to do the conquering, people have fought each other.
  • by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @11:16PM (#16480351) Homepage
    Under the new bill, Habeas Corpus can only be suspended for non-citizens, and (if I remember correctly) even then it must be approved by a judge. You can debate the positive/negative aspects of it if you want, but don't be so disingenuous as to imply that this right has been taken from US Citizens. As it stands, the bill is no threat to citizens at all. It's mainly the 15 million illegal Cubans and Mexicans that should be worried.
  • Re:Not a Bad Idea (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Sinesurfer ( 40786 ) on Tuesday October 17, 2006 @11:23PM (#16480413) Homepage
    What a terrible idea.
    Who sets the rules on acceptable content?

    The Iranians would say that publishing an image of their God is blasphamy or a womans face is obsense. Liberal European countries laugh at the US for it's puritan ways (such as obscuring womans nipples in advertising - MTV, Naked Wild On).

    Here's the core of the problem
    [1] The Internet connects many networks in different countrys together
    [2] Each country has different laws. USA laws do NOT work outside of the US - Really! - no BS there, I really do mean that last remark.

    So..... [1] If you don't like something on a web site, do visit the web site again.
    [2] If you want your childern to see something unsuitble then bring them up to understand right from wrong and sit with them when they use the Internet
    [3] Just don't try to force your point of view onto other ppl.

  • by Paua Fritter ( 448250 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @12:58AM (#16481019)
    Fair enough, though what you and the ACLU are forgetting is we are talking about people who were:

    1) Captured on a battlefield
    2) During a war
    3) And were not abiding by the Geneva Convention

    Not at all! We are talking about people who are "designated enemy combatants". They may have been captured anywhere, at any time, and may not have committed any crime at all, let alone war crimes.

    Jose Padilla, for instance, was arrested in Chicago, when he got off the plane at O'Hare airport. Not on a battlefield at all.

    The Bush regime would like you to think this: "these repressive laws apply only to dangerous criminals - if you aren't a terrorist you have nothing to fear". But until people have had a chance to defend themselves, how can you possibly know that they are criminals? Answer: you can't. Well over 200 people held as "enemy combatants" at Guantanamo have been released and allowed to return to their homes. These people turned out NOT to be enemy combatants after all, didn't they? But it took years for this to be established, not least because they were unable to offer any defence to the charges which were made against them because they did not know what the charges were! How can you offer an alibi to disprove a secret denunciation? "I wasn't there your honour!" "I didn't do it!".

    On the basis of secret "evidence" (oxymoronic - secrets are by definition not "evident"), Guantanamo inmates were held in pretty ugly conditions, for years. Shackled, abused, some of them literally beaten to death. Some of them despaired and committed suicide. They are denied the basic human right to justice which the US constitution supposedly guaranteed. This is legalised now! Now, under US law, you are no longer innocent until proven guilty. The president can legally just pick up the phone and "designate" you, and you can be "disappeared". What's to prevent abuse? How you can have any confidence that these disappearances are even based on good intelligence? Going by the record, I wouldn't trust the intelligence agencies to sit the right way on a toilet seat.

  • by aepervius ( 535155 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @02:59AM (#16481641)
    In many country in EU Hate speech and violence incitation is already penalised, as well as nazi crime denier. And yes, web site in written form also fall under this law. Think the auction about nazi memorabellia for example.

    If anything this only bring video web site up the SAME standard as other media. Which is IMO not a bad thing (having the same standard that is).

    Now you can argue to death that thougth crime are bad and should not be penalized, but this is forgetting TWO THING :

    * USA with its constitutional amendment is the USA, and never had global war on its soil except texas mexican war, and indep war (19th century all of it, isn't it?). No I do not really count as "global" war.

    * EU still bear the scar of WW2 in some place, and certainly bear the scar of nazism at least in its culture, and has at least 2 global war on its soil in the last 100 years. Some are still alive to remmember what the Nazi at that time did.

    In other word you are judging OUR culture with the "mass and measurement" of YOUR culture. All I am saying is that you might get a conclusion that such a law is bad for your cultural stand point, but this is like judging the egyptian culture : it is quite easy to judge your neighbours or somebody foreign to you, but another to judge itself.

    Frankly if I wanted to spark a real debat I would say "why are you all screaming murder for this simple broadcast law, whereas you aren't on the street taking arms when your own governement suspend habeas corpus, and can make people disappear like in a very bad dictature ?"

    Think deeply on tat before modding me either up or down.
  • Re:Taxman! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ThePhilips ( 752041 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @04:19AM (#16481977) Homepage Journal

    George Harrison

    Or just like Reagan have said: "If it moves - tax it, if it still moves - regulate it, if it cease to move - subsidize it".

    The same greedy career hunting bureaucrats having had M$, now look for something new to profit from. True image of EU :-(

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @05:06AM (#16482187)
    Well, you might be someone who 'aids' the enemy, and thus subject to secret imprisonment until we get this thing straightened out.

    Can you provide a SINGLE example of where someone did nothing but criticized the President and was imprisoned or even just detained?

    Given the evil doings of Kim Jong Bush, that shouldn't be a hard request, right?

  • by famebait ( 450028 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @05:12AM (#16482215)
    The only people this affects are people who were captured actively plotting or engaged in warfare against the United States, its armed forces and or its allies

    Right. Also, why don't we just abandon the whole court system and let the cops just lock people up directly (after agood beating)? After all, this only applies to the criminals they catch. Why bother about their rights?

    Some of us have more than two synapses, are familiar witht the concept of "checks and balances", and are able to see the problem with a "guilty by accusation" policy.
  • by dangitman ( 862676 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @05:25AM (#16482275)
    Well, the Bill of Rights says that "we hold these rights to be self-evident" and there is nothing in the Constitution restricting the interpretation of law to US citizens.

    Regardless of the legal mumbo-jumbo, how can you possibly subscribe to a system of human rights that you only believe apply to citizens of a certain country? Either those values are applicable to all of humanity, or your laws are based on hypocrisy and selfishness.

  • Re:So... how long? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by moonbender ( 547943 ) <moonbender AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @06:45AM (#16482591)
    Can anyone point out to me how the UK benefits from being in the EU (as opposed to the EEA)?

    Well, for one thing, some people welcome a culturual interchange - even a union - of European countries. I wouldn't mind seeing a single, federated government for Europe, as long as it's a sensible and democratic one. I certainly feel that way, and I certainly feel a certain bond to other people from European countries, the UK in particular because I'm fond of your language. It's sad that it doesn't go both ways, but such is life.

    A more practical approach is that joining forces is really the only way the countries in the EU have any chance of remaining a political power on a global scale. The individual countries, including very much the UK and France already are fairly minor compared to the rising powers or, of course, the US. Great Britain in particular has seen an almost catastrophic loss of power over the course of the 20th century, or even the post-WW2 half of it. Even with a common foreign policy, the EU will have a hard time bargaining with Russia and Asia in 20 to 40 years, as individual states there is just no chance at all. Of course, predicting the global state in 20 to 40 years is prone to enormous errors.

    Furthermore, political union makes sense as a step after economic union. For instance, there are currently plans to have a common level of taxation on cars and gasoline. As it is, people from Germany routinely drive over the open borders to fill up their cars, saving on taxes in the process. The reverse is true for other goods. This kind of competition might be good for the consumers, but it's not good for the states who lose tax revenue and a political means of rewarding fuel economy (or restraint from alcohol, or whatever), so they have a reason to level the playing field in those regards. And since by definition our governments represent us, of course we consumers want the playing field levelled, too.
  • Re:So... how long? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by moonbender ( 547943 ) <moonbender AT gmail DOT com> on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @06:53AM (#16482635)
    Oh and another thing I forgot in my more general previous post, more to the point: Do you seriously think that a law like this wouldn't be enacted in individual countries? You've got to be kidding me. Just look at some of the shit that was made into law in the UK in the course of the terror scares. The remainder of Europe seems positively sane by comparison, although of course we've got our own ministries of the interior who are looking into changing that. And individual countries are more prone to lobbying pressure from the industry, as well, because it's easy to play them against one another. Although I'll readily admit that lobbying in the EU is out of control currently, and fairly opaque.
  • by Amouth ( 879122 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @08:13AM (#16483017)
    you have posted something that i hold close to me..

    we have over the years become exactly what we hated - we have become the same as the nation we broke away from.
  • by some guy I know ( 229718 ) on Wednesday October 18, 2006 @08:39AM (#16483245) Homepage
    The US Constitution does not anywhere state that things like rights to freedom of speech, a speedy and fair trial, etc., apply only on US soil.
    So the whole Gitmo thing is unconstitutional, even though it is occurring on foreign soil to non-US citizens (some of whom may indeed be terrorists), because the abuses there are being perpetrated by the US federal government at a time when a declaration of war is not in effect.
    All the lies of George W Bush, Dick Cheny, and others do not alter this fact, nor does the recent passing of clearly unconstitutional legislation by the US Congress that tries to give more powers to the President than those to which he is entitled.

    By violating his oath of office (which includes the phrase "protect and defend the constitution of the United States of America"), George W Bush (and others, including those members of the US Congress, be they Republican, Democrat, or "Independent", who voted for the "Rubber Stamp Anything That The President Does That Furthers His Imaginary War on Terror" Act) are comitting treason.
    They should be impeached and removed from office ASAP, and then be tried for their crimes (in a Constitutional manner, of course).

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