Google's GTalk Supports XMPP 121
IceFox writes "On Google Gtalk blog Mike Jazayeri announced open federation for the Google Talk service. Nothing to do with Star Trek it means they now support open federation with any service provider that supports the industry standard XMPP protocol. Although they don't specifically mention AIM compatibility, at CES GTalk was shown with buddy icons so it can't be that far away."
More Google Talk Resources (Score:5, Informative)
If you want to be able to chat to your friends on AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo Chat, Jabber, IRC, Gadu-Gadu, SILC, GroupWise, Zephyr or Google Talk, then I suggest you download GAIM [sourceforge.net] which works on virtually any platform. There are some configurations [google.com] that need to be set to connect to Google Talk networks.
And, if you're really into this stuff, join the Google Talk Open Group [google.com] on Google Groups and help people fix bugs or figure out how to kill bugs that you might have!
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:4, Informative)
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:3, Informative)
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:3, Insightful)
In the best Unix tradition of decoupling function and form.
Adium (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Adium (Score:1)
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:2)
And I really hope they don't let people change their display name (or at least let me keep theirs static.) Cute sayings are what comments are for - your display name should tell me who the h
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:3, Informative)
Another option would be joining Google Talk Open asking if anyone has perhaps a cut and dry simple version of Google that does what you're asking.
Hope this helps you in your quest for the featureless talk client. I think GAIM can be configured to be pretty minimal but I don't think it gets stripped down as far as you seem to
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:2)
Thanks for the info. Good to know the protocol is open enough to allow developers to make their own clients. And hey, don't get me wrong - I like features. File transfer would be great. Buddy icons, flashing graphics, etc, are all fine, as options - just let me see a clean screen that makes it easy to find what I'm looking for.
Re:More Google Talk Resources (Score:1)
AFAIK, any fully-functioning IM Client [with the exception of mIRC, etc] will allow for aliasing, which should do exactly what you want regardless of what they change their display name to. gAIM and Google Talk both have this functionality, and I suspect the official AIM client has it as well.
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Transports (Score:2)
Re:Has there been any word on MSN compatibility? (Score:1)
In theory it is now possible to use your own Jabber server, which in turn could use the gateways for MSN, AIM, Y!, etc.
But yeah, you would need a server.
Re:Has there been any word on MSN compatibility? (Score:2)
I find that MSN is used more often up here in Canada... any word on compatibility?
Google moved to an open interchange format. There is nothing stopping MSN from interoperating, other than their own business goals. It is possible to run your own Jabber server and use it as a gateway to talk to MSN users, but that is still a bit of work and requires you have a server somewhere. I expect AOL will start ICQ and AIM interoperating with XMMP in the near future. When this happens, you might want to send a note
Re:Has there been any word on MSN compatibility? (Score:2)
No, I don't think compatiblity with Canada is planned until release 6.2 on the roadmap.
Nice, but still some flaws (Score:5, Informative)
I guess the lacking features will be added later, but it would have been nice to have that already.
Re:Nice, but still some flaws (Score:2, Informative)
So long as your client supports the Discovery aspects of the XMPP protocol (Psi supports this) you can log into your Gtalk account using it and browse the capabilities on other services.
This also means that while Google hasn't gotten their AIM integration done yet you can add an AIM (or MSN, Yahoo, etc) transport from another server to your Gtalk account and access all you
Re:Nice, but still some flaws (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Nice, but still some flaws (Score:1)
I didn't expect them to solve this issue so soon.
XMPP and bad XML (Score:2)
To be frank, if Jabber weren't already so popular, I would have written a replacement for it 4 years ago. It wouldn't be that hard to do it right.
Re:XMPP and bad XML (Score:2)
Re:XMPP and bad XML (Score:2)
GT works OK, don't use official client! (Score:5, Informative)
You have them, you just weren't trying hard enough. This should work with any capable Jabber client (Google Talk is not capable, nor is GAIM), but I'm using Psi as a example for lack of better alternative. Psi is also available for Windows, MacOS and Linux.
I just did the homework so you don't have to. Enjoy.
Re:Lacks voice support on Mac and Linux (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Lacks voice support on Mac and Linux (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the beauty of open-source, google instead of building a google talk client for linux give everbody a lib for voice and is using open standards (jabber).
Nice move of them.
Not reflected on Google's compatability page (Score:2)
But thanks for the update on those clients.
Re:Not reflected on Google's compatability page (Score:1)
Parent is NOT Redundant. Open your eyes and read. (Score:2)
Re:Lacks voice support on Mac and Linux (Score:1)
Linux? (Score:5, Insightful)
Very disappointing if you ask me.
Re:Linux? (Score:3, Informative)
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Re:Linux? (Score:1)
YET.
Re:Linux? (Score:5, Informative)
Aside from that, you have to acknowledge Google for making in-browser apps that work exceptionally well in FireFox. This means that they aren't showing favoritism to one OS or another for in-browser apps. (though they seem to favor FireFox over IE, I can't blame them for that either though :) The problem with a lot of their stand-alone apps is that they are either purchased or created as one of their programmers personal projects.
Also, the gvideo service seems to allow you to use their Flash player for most videos. Macromedia has a Linux version of Flash, so I'm not sure it's accurate to say that it's unavailable. Google Earth is more of a toy than anything else, you can get most of the usable functionality via Google Local in-browser on any OS.
Re:Linux? (Score:1)
Alas, not for us who run 64-bit linux distros, unless we want to install a 32 bit web browser (and all of its 32 bit dependencies).
Re:Linux? (Score:2)
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Re:Linux? (Score:2)
I still can't fault Google for this. If they're delivering video via Flash, which is very widely available, and that video works in the Flash that is available to most distributions of Linux, then I can credit them with finding a solution that will give content providers the sort of content control that they want and yet is highly available to most users on most OSes. They cou
Re:Linux? (Score:1)
Re:Linux? (Score:2)
Re:Linux? (Score:2, Informative)
(Their "desktop search appliance," though, is a Linux server you lease. I think you mean "desktop search tool," which is only available for Windows.)
Re:Linux? (Score:3)
Re:Linux? (Score:2)
Besides, there's no such thing as desktop linux. There are dozens of distributions, window managers, graphics toolkits that are used in basically any combination you can come up with. On top of that, there's different versions of all these components. Which ones of these combinations is desk
Re:Linux? (Score:2)
That's their commercial/market decision.
Their technical decision is to use an open protocol so anyone
can write a working linux client. This is much more important.
Video store,
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Re:Linux? (Score:2)
Well, I sure as hell wouldn't say that Google is an OSS leech [google.com]. (See also Summer of Code [google.com])
Reposting comment (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Reposting comment (Score:5, Insightful)
For Jabber to become the dominant IM service, it would require a critical mass of users. The best way for that to happen today would be AIM or MSN to support XMPP with s2s since it would not require the millions of existing users to change their behavior.
This is unlikely to occur. We have heard that Google is planning on somehow providing AIM support. However, based on the few articles out there that discuss this, it sounds like you will have to have an AIM account in addition to your XMPP account. This absolutely defeats the purpose of "combining" the networks, since you will still have two handles: your Jabber address, and your AIM screenname. I could already do that with Jabber transports and/or Gaim/Trillian multi-IM support.
Here's hoping that the news reports got it wrong and that AIM users will be able to communicate natively with XMPP users. If not, Google Talk will be a failed experiment.
Re:Reposting comment (Score:2)
I think that federation support is exactly the motivation needed; now Google Talk is no longer its own walled garden, but it can speak to other protocols; users will soon discover that they have backwards compatibility with AIM and MSN Messenger. More and more ISPs are offering XMPP, and eventually we will have a standard IM protocol. Yeah, XMPP has its issues, but it's what we have now.
xmpp gateway services (Score:2)
No need to cough
Jabber.org is running a list of public servers [jabber.org], most of which provide a number of gateways to other networks. If you can't get a particular gateway on, say, jabber.org, try to use any of those.
Note that you can have an account on one server and use gateways on other server(s).
Buddy Icons (Score:5, Insightful)
AIM may be coming or it may not but don't rely on the buddy icons to tell you.
Re:Buddy Icons (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Buddy Icons (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:Buddy Icons (Score:2, Interesting)
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Buddy Icons != transports (Score:1, Informative)
If google decide to enable transports for AIM (and msn and icq and irc) got nothing to do with this.
Re:Buddy Icons != transports (Score:1)
I noticed this by chance yesterday (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:I noticed this by chance yesterday (Score:1)
Nobody I know uses Google Talk. In fact I don't know many Jabber users. Most people at work have private MSN accounts and we use Skype to cut down the phone bills.
I have yet to try the Google client.
Re:I noticed this by chance yesterday (Score:1)
Re:I noticed this by chance yesterday (Score:1)
Title should be: Google Talk supports XMPP s2s (Score:5, Informative)
Imagine (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:Nothing to do with Star Trek? (Score:1)
Re:Nothing to do with Star Trek? (Score:2)
Re:Nothing to do with Star Trek? (Score:1)
[transmission via GTalk]
Captain KirK: "Lt. Uhura, full speed ahead."
Lt. Uhura: "I, I, Captain." [smileys]
(cyber-phonesex ensues)
How is SPIM handled? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:2)
So you see "contact requests" for "come see my hot pics", etc.
-Zipwow
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:2)
SPIM is a simulated assembly language written for MIPS architecture R2000 and R3000 processors, copyrighted by James R. Larus. This language is often taught in college-level assembly language courses, especially those using the textbook Computer Organization and Design: The Hardware/Software Interface by David A. Patterson, John L. Hennessy, and Nitin Indurkhya (ISBN 1558604286).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPIM
argh brain has no more space for acronyms!!!
pray tell what is SPIM in this context?
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:2)
Never heard it outside Slashdot.
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:2)
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:1)
I've never had any problems with spam on either MSN or gtalk. If you just don't allow random people to contact you, no spam can come through.
I think all IM clients have the option to ignore people not on your list enabled by default, so how can it be a big problem?
And would people please stop inventing useless words?
Re:How is SPIM handled? (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, one could still spim me with authorisation requests containing relevant viagra/penis/mortgage/nigerian information in description, but nothing prevents you from doing the same on closed networks...
In the end, the only way to stop spim would be to use aproaches similar to mail: some bayesian aproach, with the dis
Two tin can's (Score:2, Informative)
Most sound like two tin can's and a piece of string, when compared to Skype.
Skype might be proprietary, but they have all of the others beat by a mile.
Re:Two tin can's (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Two tin can's (Score:2)
Are you sure you wouldn't rather demur?
Nitpicking aside, I hope this means more Asterisk integration.
Re:Two tin can's (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Two tin can's (Score:1)
to be honest i have had mixture of leased lines and broadband since 1998 in the uk and been using mgcp when it sounded worse than it odes now and using sip and asterisk since around 2002. i have never had anything better than a piii 700 whic is probably about the same as the above. but you tanaka are grossly over genrous if you believe that it is great call quality or more likely grossly misinformed enough to have zero frame of refernce to realise that
Then you'll love GTalk (Score:2)
Re:Then you'll love GTalk (Score:1)
Eitherway, if anybody has a good link with some more background info VoIP, SIP etc that would be great! I know what VoIP is, but can't figure out why there's so many different SIP providers, can I talk with my SIP progr
*NOT* the GTalk blog (Score:1, Informative)
The Google GTalk Blog [slashdot.org] (or Google Talkabout) has a similar update, but this one's by Gary Burd, one of the software engineers of Google Talk.
Connecting to GTalk without using Google's client (Score:3, Informative)
Avatars (Score:2)
And support for MUC (Multi User Chat) is spotty -- some users were invisible to google account.
Both situation tested with Gajim [gajim.org].
Re:Avatars (Score:3, Informative)
TLS (Score:2)
No STARTTLS support (Score:1)