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New US $20 bills Released, Colors & Layout Change 1051

JayBonci writes "CNN is running a story with the newest advances in the original copy-protection arms race, a new US $20 dollar bill. From the article, specifically color and different number arrangements as an improvement over 1996's "Big Face" dollar bills." Little off the norm for Slashdot, but it's interesting since computers have vastly simplified forgery.
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New US $20 bills Released, Colors & Layout Change

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  • Better pics (Score:5, Informative)

    by Kaeru the Frog ( 152611 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @11:50AM (#5945357)
    You can find some better pics here [moneyfactory.com].
  • by th77 ( 515478 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @11:55AM (#5945419)
    Don't forget that in Britain (and many other countries) bills of different values have differnt physical sizes.
  • Rumanian Lei (Score:4, Informative)

    by neonstz ( 79215 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:02PM (#5945505) Homepage

    Some of the Rumanian lei-bills (at least the 10000 bill) are quite difficult to counterfeit (with a standard pc). They have a hole covered with transparent plastic (which also has some kind of watermarking). I don't see why anyone would counterfeit lei though, since the 10000 bill was worth 50 cents or less when I visited Bucharest.

  • I've talked about this problem with several blind people and most of them have a system (usually involving) folding the money in different ways so they know which bills they're dealing with. Several of these methods are described [io4b.org] in the Int'l Organization for the Blind [io4b.org] web page.
  • by meloneg ( 101248 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:04PM (#5945525)
    Unfortunately, I can't see the Treasury Department putting some sort of Braille marker or other deliniating factor into future money production.
    Definately not likely [treas.gov].
  • Re:What about size? (Score:2, Informative)

    by gmhowell ( 26755 ) <gmhowell@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:05PM (#5945542) Homepage Journal
    The other benefit of different sized bills is for the blind. You can tell denominations by feel.

  • by Silverhammer ( 13644 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:16PM (#5945702)

    Blockquoth the poster:

    I've always been in favor of having a hologram on our currency.

    Look at the "20" in the bottom-right corner on the current $20 bill.

    Look closely...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:17PM (#5945705)
    The problem with braille, or raised markings, or cut corners, etc, is that they make it really easy to rip the blind off.

    Cut the corner off an old one and give it to the blind guy, asking him for change for a "hundred". Or use a toothpick to poke out "100" in braille.

    The markings and raised letterings wear off and become confusing as well, and it causes quite a problem for blind folks back in Canada, as I have a couple blind friends back there.

    I dont think the solution is in the currency itself, perhaps some piece of handheld tech, like a miniaturized version of the scanners that vending machines use, maybe built into a wallet that says "20" as you stick the bills in.
  • by NewbieV ( 568310 ) * <victor...abraham ... ot@@@gmail...com> on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:19PM (#5945725)
    A little Googling turned up this article [business2.com] in December's Business 2.0 about counterfeiting and terrorism... interesting for the background into several counterfeiting technologies.
  • Re:7-10 years?!? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:22PM (#5945756)
    What's wrong with different styles of banknotes? In the UK there are perhaps five or six different styles of each denomination of note, issued by different banks. They are all roughly the same colour as each other though.

    Specifically, banknotes in England and Wales are issued by the Bank of England. [Which is more or less equivalent to the federal reserve.] The notes change every few years as extra anti-forgery features get introduced - the most recent change was the new £5 note, which is about a year old.

    In Scotland, notes are issued by the Bank of Scotland and the Royal Bank of Scotland. Apart from issuing notes, those are normal banks. The notes from each bank look slightly different, but have the same size and colour, so it's obvious what denomination it is. The Clydesdale bank also issues notes, but they're not as common.

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/ has details of the English notes, and http://www.scotbanks.org.uk/design.htm the Scottish ones.

    You can use English notes in Scotland, and Scottish ones in England, although merchants tend to retain them so they don't generally circulate.
    Pedants may wish to know that English banknotes are Legal Tender in England and Wales, but not in Scotland. Scottish banknotes aren't Legal Tender anywhere - the only legal tender in Scotland for unlimited amounts are the £1 and £2 coins. Pedants may also wish to know that legal tender has a very narrow definition, and isn't really very useful in most cases...
  • by burgburgburg ( 574866 ) <splisken06NO@SPAMemail.com> on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:26PM (#5945801)
    Treasury Department $2 bill fact sheet [moneyfactory.com]

    Pictures [treas.gov]

    The President on the $2 bill is Thomas Jefferson.

  • by grassy_knoll ( 412409 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:27PM (#5945816) Homepage
    And not only are the bills of a different size, but in the lower right hand corner ( IIRC ) of the bill face are a number of raised dots. One dot == 1000 yen, two dots == 5000 yen and three dots == 10000 yen.

  • http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/lou/news/stori es/news-20010130-161443.html
  • by jea6 ( 117959 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:34PM (#5945895)
    We run the web infrastructure for the Bureau of Engraving and Printing on our DataHost platform. Starting about 2 hours ago (when the unveiling press conference ended) we've been sustaining over 20Mbits per second of traffic. As I look at the monitor now, we're doing 33Mbits/sec. Most of the traffic has been US-based, though we expect an overnight surge as Asia wakes up. Gotta go back and look at histograms now - Bolivia just took a keen interest in the new $20 note. Don't forget to stop by the BEP store (http://www.moneyfactory.com/store [moneyfactory.com]) and pick-up some neat collectibles (though, nothing with the new twenty until later this year). All the info on the new twenty is at http://www.moneyfactory.com/newmoney [moneyfactory.com].
  • Re:Have old bills? (Score:2, Informative)

    by Planesdragon ( 210349 ) <<su.enotsleetseltsac> <ta> <todhsals>> on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:38PM (#5945950) Homepage Journal
    What do they do with old bills and coinage? Do they recycle it? Does anyone know?

    AFAIK, they melt down old coins and re-use them (they're mostly just raw scrap anyway), and they burn the bills (which are just colored cotton & paper anyway.)

  • by witts ( 552031 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:44PM (#5946006) Homepage
    Found a great website for pics of paper currency from around the world. My personal fave has to be Netherlands 50 Guilder note, sunflower and bee. Makes U.S. paper money look downright ugly... http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/notedir/mappage.html
  • Re:Hmmm (Score:5, Informative)

    by weave ( 48069 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:57PM (#5946149) Journal
    This is an excellent point and one that i was wondering about. Unlike other countries who routinely decommission monetary instruments (with a brief trade-in period), the United States refuses to do so. Why? It helps support the dollar's strength. Everyone all over the world knows if they stuff chests full of american currency inside their walls, it will still be good in the future. They won't have to drive it to some US bank to exchange it for the latest bills. Why do you think Saddam had so many dollars stashed?

    So, basically, in order to keep our currency the choice of the (under)world, we refuse to expire it.

  • Re:7-10 years?!? (Score:4, Informative)

    by PhilHibbs ( 4537 ) <snarks@gmail.com> on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @12:59PM (#5946171) Journal
    What the hell is Boxing Day?
    The day after Christmas Day.
    Colorful currency = children's toy.
    I think it's a question of what you're used to. Our currency [slashdot.org] is [bbk.ac.uk] fairly [bbk.ac.uk] colourful [bbk.ac.uk], but the subtlety and complexity is more than one would expect in play money. The Euro [greeklandscapes.com] looks a little toy-like to me, but as I said, maybe it is just familiarity after all.

  • Re:7-10 years?!? (Score:3, Informative)

    by calethix ( 537786 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:01PM (#5946199) Homepage
    " My guess is that you have a bank account, write checks, and/or have an atm card."

    yes, rarely and yes but here's some facts from the Federal Reserve courtesy of moneyfactory.com:
    # The following information regarding the average life of a Federal Reserve Note was provided by the Federal Reserve System - please note that the life of a note depends on its denomination:

    $ 1 .............. 22 months
    $ 5 ................ 2 Years
    $ 10................ 3 Years
    $ 20 ............... 4 Years
    $ 50 ............... 9 Years
    $100 .............. 9 Years
  • by weave ( 48069 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:21PM (#5946420) Journal
    After a certain period of time or percentage of the old bills is collected, the treasury will announce that the old $20 should no longer be used as legal tender.

    Sorry, that is not the case. It's a matter of law that this can't happen.

    From the federalreserve.gov site:

    National bank notes were issued from 1863 to 1935. Any national bank notes remaining in circulation are legal tender at face value as a matter of law. They would most likely be worth more than face value to currency collectors, however, because they are very rare.

    Link to above [federalreserve.gov]

    So that means even old notes like this one [dtcc.edu] are still legal currency.

  • by hackstraw ( 262471 ) * on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:21PM (#5946422)
    1. The new design is different from the old one.

    Doesn't matter, the old design is still (il)legal tender.

    2. A new design takes time to counterfeit.

    Exactly, so they'll keep using the old ones (see #1). However, their are the "king of the mountain" counterfeiters that are just in it for the accomplishment of gettting away with a phony bill, but they also do not typically do large runs of their bills.

    3. New designs incorporate tougher security measures.

    See #2 and #1.

    4. New note designs promote consumer vigilance.

    I guess, but if I have only explicitly checked my money for fun to see the different things added to the new bills. I don't really care if I have a phony bill, if it was good enough to be given to me, its good enough to spend.

    5. New bank notes are successfully introduced and old ones replaced every day.

    No, the old ones are not replaced, they are still valid money, and every 20years is hardly every day. Plus the note in question has been replaced in 1996 so the new one would be 7 years.
  • by Idarubicin ( 579475 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:28PM (#5946503) Journal
    While the adaptation of colors and revising the layout of the dollar bill is a nice deterrent, there is one thing that would be nice to see: dollar bills that the blind could use.

    Here's a link [nap.edu] to a detailed list of features that can be used to make currency more accessible to the visually impaired. There's a discussion of pros and cons for each. (For example--Braille or other raised markings seem like a good idea, but they can wear off. Also, when stacking large amounts of currency, raised markings can cause trouble.)

    The Appendix [nap.edu] to the report also has a list of features that were rejected outright for practical reasons. These include (among many) microencapsulated odorants (different denominations smell different) and acoustic effects from the edge of the bill (different denominations sound different when you blow across their edges.)

  • Re:Hmmm (Score:2, Informative)

    by Cowboy ( 98435 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:30PM (#5946536) Journal
    You may want to check out this page. [moneyfactory.com] An average $20 bill is only in circulation for about 4 years before it gets replaced. More to the point, 95% of all bills printed in a given year go to replace existing currency. Better ways to keep the US government out of debt would include reducing military spending and rolling back existing tax cuts. In case you hadn't noticed, keeping inflation down is the least of our worries concerning the US economy.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:39PM (#5946641)
    Sweet Merriam-Webster! It's COUNTERFEITERS. They're not trying on counters as articles of clothing!
  • by weave ( 48069 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @01:45PM (#5946707) Journal
    A better link [moneyfactory.com]...

    Here's the text:

    Section 102 of the Coinage Act of 1965 (Title 31 United States Code, Section 392) provides in part:

    " All coins and currencies of the United States, regardless of when coined or issued, shall be legal tender for all debts, public and private, public charges, taxes, duties and dues."

    This statute means that you have made a valid and legal offer of payment of your debt when you tender United States currency to your creditor. However, there is no Federal statute which mandates that private businesses must accept cash as a form of payment. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise.

  • by pianophile ( 181111 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @02:12PM (#5947075)
    It was eliminated due to thus negative stigma attached to it.

    It was not eliminated [ustreas.gov].
  • Federal Reserve Notes and Treasury Notes are produced by divisions of the federal government. Hence, the provision of the consitution is fulfilled.
  • Re:2 bucks? (Score:2, Informative)

    by innate ( 472375 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @03:30PM (#5947997)
    When's the last time they actually printed a $2 bill?

    1996 (series 1995) [moneyfactory.com]
  • by Steve Cox ( 207680 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @03:35PM (#5948043)
    > It may have been simpler to introduce multi-colored currency in Europe simply from the standpoint that you were unifying wildly disparite currency types. I would be willing to wager that your colored/sized-denominations are more a result of compromise over whose color/size is best rather than design.

    Just to point out that most (if not all) of the European countries used diffrent truely multi-coloured notes (ie not just different coloured notes, but lots of colours on a single note) YEARS before the Euro (or ECU) came into being.
  • by guacamolefoo ( 577448 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @04:37PM (#5948720) Homepage Journal
    There's nothing appealing about Denise Richarards

    There are lots of appealing things about Denise Richards - her tits, her ass, and her "mouth hanging open 90% of the time."

    If you need convincing, you can check out her tits:
    - Here [worldsbestpickupline.com] and
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    You can rest assured that I have check the links thoroughly. I will consider the site to be slashdotted in advance. If this post isn't a "+5, Informative" then nothing is.

    GF.
  • Er, what? (Score:3, Informative)

    by zipwow ( 1695 ) <zipwow@gmail . c om> on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @05:49PM (#5949350) Homepage Journal
    Jackson set up the federal bank? Or not. From "A Time Line of the National Bank", Jackson vetoed the National Bank's recharter in 1832.

    Lastly, I think that in retrospect, the deportation of the Cherokee (and the thousands of deaths incurred during the process), despite a Supreme Court Ruling in their favor, slides down that hill from "controversial" to plain out and out "wrong"

    -Zipwow
  • Re:Rumanian Lei (Score:3, Informative)

    by ehiris ( 214677 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @06:12PM (#5949541) Homepage
    Actually the 2000 lei [banknotes.com] solar eclipse limited edition bill is the coolest bill I have ever seen. Not because of its buying power since its value is 10 cents but because it promotes space science on top of politcs and also looks cool.

    And BTW, the country is called Romania not "Rumania". Romania has a lot more to do with the Romans then it has to do with rum.
  • by Guppy06 ( 410832 ) on Tuesday May 13, 2003 @08:35PM (#5950583)
    The US $2 bill, like the US $1 and $0.50 coins, are in a bit of a Catch-22.
    1. The BEP printed up a series of $2 bills around 1995
    2. The bills are distributed to banks to be inserted into circulation
    3. But the banks generally don't hand out $2 unless they're specifically asked for
    4. Nobody gets $2 bills from the bank
    5. Nobody puts $2 bills into actual circulation
    6. The banks are sitting on gobs and gobs of $2 bills
    7. The banks never run out of $2 bills
    8. The banks never ask the Federal Reserve to replenish their stock of $2 bills
    9. The BEP doesn't print any new $2 bills
    Despite their artificial rarity (they're "in circulation," just not really in circulation), US $2 bills aren't collector's items. They're worth $2.00. If you want some, go in to any bank and ask to change a larger bill. Just remember that, like with the $1 and $0.50 coins, you'll get reactions ranging from funny looks to outright anger* if you try to pay for anything with these.

    *(I swear to God a former roommate of mine would go ballistic whenever I tried to repay a debt to him with dollar coins)

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