Mitch Kapor Joins Ximian Board of Directors 220
miguel writes: "Today we announced that Mitch Kapor has joined our Board of Directors. He is one of the co-founders of the EFF and Lotus (You can learn more about Mitch here.) In other news, I want to point out guys to our Latest Evolution beta which comes with SSL support (IMAP and SMTP), Pilot syncing and LDAP in the default build. The team at Ximian has been busy fixing every bug you guys have reported (feature requests will have to wait until 1.0 ships, we are in feature freeze now) and we are closing bugs faster that you can report them. What are you guys going to do about this huh? HUH?"
Evolution progress is crucial! (Score:2)
How does one actually install evolution? (Score:2)
But on my system the `Evolution Snapshot' channel is filled with Evolution *support* packages but not Evolution itself. I have no binaries or packages containing the word Eolution in my system evven though I've downloading everything avaliable via Red Carpet, including everything in the Evolution Snapshot channel.
Re:How does one actually install evolution? (Score:1)
Re:How does one actually install evolution? (Score:2)
What bugs me about Evolution (Score:2)
Re:What bugs me about Evolution (Score:3, Informative)
The beginning of a long potracted war (Score:1)
Re:The beginning of a long potracted war (Score:1)
I don't know what my point was anymore.
Re:The beginning of a long potracted war (Score:1, Funny)
What kind of idiot are you?
Ximian is great (Score:1)
Who can resist the mascot stuffed Rupert [thinkgeek.com] either?
Deja Vu (Score:2, Funny)
Check it on on their site [microsoft.com].
Re:Deja Vu (Score:1)
criminal record.
Naw, I prefer the alternatives.
Re:Deja Vu (Score:1)
Well that's a shame. Problem is, there appears to be no Ximian support for MY operating system [microsoft.com]. Too bad these Ximian folks are copying the idea AND making the same mistake of ignoring alternative operating systems [mac.com]!
Re:Deja Vu (Score:2, Funny)
[gtlinc.com]
Perhaps you didn't look hard enough? I mean the answer is as clear as the nose on my face [macgimp.com] Yeah you need to compile it right now, but its still beta, give it a couple months.
Previous Doubts... Lifted? (Score:3, Insightful)
I have to say though, this time I think I might just start to like them. They seem, from reading the link, like they really care about what we have to say (even if it's not so nice some times
I guess this is YABOOS (Yet Another Benefit Of Open Source): The corporations that help out are by default less evil.
OverHyped Press Releases (Score:1, Interesting)
"Ximian, Inc., the leading open source desktop company"
Hmmmm, I wonder if TrollTech would take issue with that claim. I don't think throwing another computer industry has-been (VisiCalc? Will that even run on Win98?) on the board is going to give Gnome any edge over KDE.
Re:OverHyped Press Releases (Score:2, Insightful)
Looks Great (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Looks Great (Score:1, Insightful)
Mozilla Mail uses a standard mbox format and evolution has had an imported for as long as they've had evolution packages.
what about GroupWise? (Score:1)
Then my company got bought out and the new HQ forced GroupWise on us. If I could get a client that had an interface closer to Outlook, interfaced to GroupWise, synced up to my Visor and had the stability of Linux (well, as close as it could get running on Win2k), that would Be Great.
I wish my bug was fixed. (Score:1)
I've been hoping to get this bug [ximian.com] fixed for a while now. What are you going to do about that? Huh? Huh?
Re:I wish my bug was fixed. (Score:1)
Re:I wish my bug was fixed. (Score:2)
Re:I wish my bug was fixed. (Score:1)
impressive work (Score:4, Interesting)
I can't wait to boot the exchange box out the door.
Re:impressive work (Score:4, Informative)
What are you guys going to do about this huh? HUH? (Score:1)
I'm probably going to download it and USE it!
Great work, keep it up!
Re:What are you guys going to do about this huh? H (Score:1)
Xim-dev (Score:1)
does it work under KDE (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:2, Informative)
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:3, Informative)
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:1)
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:1)
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:2, Insightful)
It's not a window manager issue. Evolution (and any other GNOME app) should run under KDE as long as you have all of the necessary libraries present. Despite all of the trolling between advocates of one desktop over the other, they actually interoperate pretty well. A GNOME app will still look like a GNOME app when run under KDE (and vice versa) which offends some people's aesthetic sense, but they should operate just fine.
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:1)
An app wouldnt work in a specific WM only if it did weird things, or if it where something like an applet, that depended on some "visual" part of the WM, wich, by definition is actually NOT the WM, it is a Panel, part of a Desktop Environment...
A WM just manages windows, and if it does it in the correct way, ANY program would work under it.
Re:does it work under KDE (Score:2)
Evolution and IMAP (Score:1, Interesting)
I have a huge mailbox, and Evolution, Aethera, Kmail, TradeClient, Bynari Insight, and every other IMAP client all do the same damn thing. It takes 20 minutes to check for mail everytime I do it. And Kmail was the only client I've used that was able to find all of my folders. Argh!
Re:Evolution and IMAP (Score:2, Interesting)
Since it is doing so, it needs to verify the mails against one another.
Sadly, the IMAP standard does not outline a use of things like md5sums and order lists.
In other words, its easy, and it fits the standard.
Re:Evolution and IMAP (Score:1)
Not true. The IMAP standard says the server has to assign each mail message a unique ID number (UID) that is presistant accross sessions. I well-behaved client can detect any new or deleted messages by requesting a UID list from the server (a very quick operation). Since messages cannot be altered through the IMAP protocol (only deleted and re-appended), a UID list would even catch messages that were edited and resaved (ie. the unsent or drafts folder).
Re:Evolution and IMAP (Score:2)
The best IMAP implementation I have seen thus far.
Re:Evolution and IMAP (Score:4, Informative)
This is all against a Cyrus 2.0.16 imap server.
Re:Evolution and IMAP (Score:2)
This was primarily a change to accomodate move to qmail from sendmail, but the performance increase is tremendous. I routinely open mailboxes with hundreds of messages (over a variety of lines, from 128K to 100Mbit) and i've had no problems with speed. You might consider changing your mail server file format (if you run the mail server) to increase your performance. Otherwise, my general experience is that IMAP (header listing) performance should be equivalent or better to that on a NNTP server.
-earl
ximolution (Score:3, Interesting)
Of course I'm a whiny elitist running Slackware and Blackbox (but Galeon over all other browsers) so bite me.
KDE integration (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:KDE integration (Score:2)
Re:KDE integration -- INTERESTING?? HAHA (Score:2, Insightful)
but then again, everyone stop bringing up KDE, this story is bout evolution =P
Re:KDE integration -- INTERESTING?? HAHA (Score:1)
Evolution Progressing Well (Score:2, Insightful)
As far as what we'll do about it...use it. I've two complaints: 1.) You can't set what font to use in html email messages, and 2.) No calendar server. If you could achieve MS Outlook scheduling/calendaring functionality or better, you would have the potential 'Killer' application for Linux that would allow offices to migrate away from MS...
Re:Evolution Progressing Well (Score:1)
/Janne
Re:Evolution Progressing Well (Score:2)
>messages
If you go to the control center there is an applet for configuring gtkhtml. Set the font there.
(I'd really like for there to be an Evolution menu option for overriding the default here, or a shortcut to the control center at the very least.)
Matt
Re:Evolution Progressing Well (Score:2, Funny)
Re: Who is Mitch Kapor? (Score:2, Redundant)
Sure, you should. Don't you know anything about the history of the Personal Computer? Don't you remember VisiCalc?
The 1978 release of VisiCalc, an electronic spreadsheet and the first personal productivity application, changed software development from a hobbyist's pursuit to a burgeoning industry. Personal Software, the publisher of VisiCalc, bought Tiny Troll from Mr. Kapor as a companion product to VisiCalc and hired him to be a product manager in Silicon Valley. Wanting more autonomy, he left Personal after only six months to found his own company.
Although users loved the concept of the VisiCalc spreadsheet, they were bumping their heads against its limitations. Realizing this, Mr. Kapor cofounded Lotus Development in 1982 with Jonathan Sachs, a programmer from Data General, and came up with Lotus 1-2-3, a second-generation spreadsheet that better addressed the needs of business users.
To get the new company off the ground, Mr. Kapor convinced the former Morgan Stanley analyst andthen-novice venture capitalist Ben Rosen (who had cofounded Sevin Rosen Funds theprevious year) to put $1 million into the startup. Mr. Kapor admits that he in fact knew very little then about running a business; nevertheless, as an executive at Lotus until 1987, he developed what are now considered standard business practices for software companies. Lotus executed the first big advertising campaign for 1-2-3 in the business press and was the first to train computer dealers on a large scale. In 1983, the year it was released, 1-2-3 generated staggering revenues of $53 million and propelled Lotus through its initial public offering. In 1984 the company tripled its revenues, to $156 million. But when Lotus became a big business, Mr. Kapor jumped ship. "Because of Lotus's hypergrowth, the company was soon dominated by the details of day-to-day management," he says. "But I wanted to think long term and bring big ideas to market."
After Lotus, Mr. Kapor rediscovered his interest in the future of technology. He became enamored of the precommercial Internet and the social possibilities of virtual communities. But he was equally horrified by some of the government's early attempts to sanitize Internet content. In 1990, to protect the organic and unregulated potential of the Net, Mr. Kapor and the social activist John Perry Barlow cofounded the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), thefirst grassroots coalition to call attention to both the social andpolitical dimensions of networked communications. (For more on Mr. Barlow,see "What Does John Perry Barlow Do?,"March 1998.)
In 1994, once the EFF was going strong, Mr. Kapor decided to turn his full attention to financing and advising technology startups. Although as an entrepreneur he had been suspicious of venture capitalists, he became a limited partner in VC funds and also made direct investments in startups, working closely with Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers and AccelPartners. Mr. Kapor believes he is finally using his strengths --identifying ideas with staying power and getting them off the ground -- andnot getting bogged down in the politics of large organizations. Hecurrently sits on the boards of RealNetworks, which develops real-timestreaming audio and video software; Allaire, which makes Web applicationdevelopment software; and several younger startups he declines to name.
Looking back at his 20-year involvement in the technology industry, Mr. Kapor says that "the days of the Apple II and Tiny Troll feel like Jurassic Park, especially if you count in Internet years." Speaking like a former teacher of meditation, he adds, "I try to send the message that business does not have to be ruthless and self-interested -- that even in the frenzied pace of the technology market, a fundamentally long-term approach still matters."
Credit where it is due (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Credit where it is due (Score:5, Insightful)
Thanks. Would only that the author of the original post had seen fit to credit, with a simple link or even simpler "lifted from Red Herring" attribution, the original work by Deborah Claymon.
Not that the post author was trying to pass off the article as his own -- the line (For more on Mr. Barlow,see "What Does John Perry Barlow Do?,"March 1998) would surely have been deleted were that the case -- but it would be nice to show some appreciation for the person who researched this piece and for the site that provides it completely free of charge.
score -100 plagarism (Score:2)
so they have a client What about a SERVER (Score:2)
you had revision control and ACLs + logging for documents/databases which could be exported as basic HTML
keys and directory's(phone books) stored in a nice central place
Plus SYNCing of documents/databases/email/directory's
That was really nice
yes there are products that do this now but you have to kludge them all toghthter and admin is still a bit of a nightmare (OpenLDAP, procmail and zope)
what they should do is use and XML backend (publishing becomes easy) and LDAP (phone books + auth through a PAM module) combined with a IMAP server which understands OpenPGP that can sync to other servers set up around the world
lots of documents are placed on the corp intranet but they are spread all over the place geographically speaking what would be cool is of it could figure out you are in say France and pull over a copy of that dept intranet who is in US and then next time someone asks for it when they are in France they get a response straight away
anyway hope their client (eventually) will work with lotus notes
regards
john jones
Re:so they have a client What about a SERVER (Score:1)
One of the great things about Lotus Notes STILL IS the server - (now called Domino) - it serves up everything you mentioned via the web.
Re:so they have a client What about a SERVER (Score:2)
Re:so they have a client What about a SERVER (Score:1)
What exactly is so great about LDAP? I've always found it cumbersome to work with, compared to a traditional-style RDBMS. You can throw together a PGSQL, MySQL, or hell, even a SQL Server database and put phone numbers in it, why use a strange, flaky thing like LDAP? Unless you're stuck in Java and have to use JNDI or something, but here LDAP is a conscious choice. I don't get it...
Why Use Ximian? (Score:2)
why I used ximian gnome (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Why Use Ximian? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why Use Ximian? (Score:5, Interesting)
More or less correct.
So, why would I use Ximian instead of GNOME?
Um, this is like asking why you would use Red Hat instead of Linux. Ximian is a distro of GNOME. When you use Ximian you are using GNOME.
To answer the question of why you would use Ximian, let's consider how you can get GNOME:
You can get GNOME from your Linux distribution, and then get updates only when your Linux distro provides an update.
You can get GNOME stuff as sources, and build on your own machine.
You can get the Ximian GNOME packages, and get updates from Ximian.
If there is a fourth option, I cannot think of it right now.
So, if your Linux distro provides you with updates as often as you wish, just stick with that. If you like building from source, go ahead and do that. If you want updates more often than your distro gives them to you, and you want someone else to build the packages for you, go with Ximian.
As for me, I use the "unstable" branch of Debian; and I get updates within a few days of any new release. Debian had Gnumeric 0.71 within two days of when it was released. So I have no interest in getting Ximian packages. But I think many people find it convenient to get updates from Ximian.
steveha
getting there (Score:2)
For anyone looking for an Outlook/Eudora replacement, this is it.
Personally, I use the Mozilla mail client because it's got mail and news together with the same interface, and I really don't need a Calendar, Contact list, etc.
Evolution (Score:2, Interesting)
Anyway, keep the good work you guys@Ximian!
I am wating for 1.0 release to get rid of Yet Another Microsoft Application (YAMA)
Maybe this is good. (Score:3, Interesting)
No maybe about that .
I guess Mitch Kapor can't hurt. He certainly is a bright and experienced software businessman.
Still, I hope he's learned a thing or two in the last ten years.
When Windows 3.0 came out, Lotus 1-2-3 was the biggest spreadsheet. Period. Win 3.0 would have gone nowhere if it couldn't run (and multitask) major DOS programs like 1-2-3.
Mitch Kapor didn't pay any attention to Windows. He was more concerned with 1-2-3 for OS/2 and -- believe it or not -- something called 1-2-3/M, a 1-2-3 spreadsheet for IBM mainframes.
I wonder if Microsoft would have its present monopoly if Lotus and WordPerfect had ventured into Windows Land in the pre-3.0 days, when Gates was still trying to get ports to run on his platform.
People didn't start using Word for Windows and Excel because they were so wonderful.
Back before Office software got pre-loaded, and back before Microsoft was the 800 pound software gorilla, people started using them because the other guys didn't have Windows software. Microsoft made competitive upgrades cheap, and hand-held new-to-Microsoft users.
Of course, once they got 'em in their clutches...
Re:Maybe this is good. (Score:1)
Personally, the lack of a nice suite of productivity applications has kept me a windose freak. I'm looking forward to giving Mozilla, Evolution, Gnome, and StarOffice a go. Until recently, IMHO, such a transition was not in my best interests. (No, Mozilla, Evolution, or StarOffice 6).
Re:Maybe this is good. (Score:2)
I spent a year using Microsoft Office at work, and two years using StarOffice 5.x everywhere else.
I now use the SO 6.0 beta.
Doesn't have all the changes I'd like, but it is nice software and the file exchange (now covering revision marks and hidden fields) will let you live with your Office-using friends.
Sure -- you probably want to keep a copy of Office around where you can get at it if somebody sends you a really perverted file. OTOH, it is only betaware at the moment.
Hmmm. I guess Office is the same.
Always.
Don't hang 1-2-3 for OS/2 on Mitch (Score:1)
Although Lotus management can't avoid the bulk of the blame, Microsoft did have a hand in encouraging ISVs like Lotus to embrace OS/2; in fact, once upon a time OS/2 was referred to in Microsoft/IBM technical briefings as DOS 5.
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:3, Interesting)
Mitch Kapor didn't pay any attention to Windows. He was more concerned with 1-2-3 for OS/2 and -- believe it or not -- something called 1-2-3/M, a 1-2-3 spreadsheet for IBM mainframes.
Although the facts are accurate, you have to remember that, at the time, Microsoft was telling everyone to develop for OS/2 - Windows was supposed to be a mere "bridging" application
Then, Microsoft changed their internal strategies, but told none of their targeted competitors (Lotus and others) that all their development was going to Windows instead. When Windows 3.0 came out, Lotus, Borland, Ashton-Tate, et al found that they had been fooled into developing for a platform that Microsoft was never going to make mainstream - and the differences were enough that they were always going to be a step behind.
So, I'm sure that he learned that important lesson; the real question is why the rest of the Windows developer base didn't learn it!
FWIW
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:2)
Although the facts are accurate, you have to remember that, at the time, Microsoft was telling everyone to develop for OS/2 - Windows was supposed to be a mere "bridging" application
All true -- but Guess What? 1-2-3 for OS/2 SUCKED! Excel was far better. (And there was a beta release of GUI Excel for OS/2).
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:2)
At that point, they stopped GUI work until it was restarted for OS/2 some years later. Meanwhile, Microsoft was banging out features for MS Office over on the Mac side. When Lotus finally figured out that a suite was a good idea, they had to fumble around and find a word processor.
Ironically, the thing that saved the company was an OS/2 GUI program called Notes.
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:2)
It's not like Lotus was scraping the bottom of the barrel when they picked up Samna. They were building from the ground up on Windows, so they were able to get ahead of Word in many key areas. Ami Pro 2, crude as it was, felt like a Windows word processor. It wasn't until WinWord 4 that Word didn't act like a port from DOS. Meanwhile, WordPerfect was still deeply entrenched in the DOS world, and WordStar and XyWrite were hoping their eventual Windows ports would save their respective companies. They didn't.
So Lotus certainly made the best of the situation. In the short term, they got the excellent Ami Pro word processor. In the long term, they got the framework for proper Windows versions of 123 and Freelance, and eventually, once they acquired Approach, SmartSuite. Which was, byte for byte, a better suite than MS Office. At least in the days before Microsoft stifled all the competition. <sigh
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:2)
Only that Lotus didn't put it in the box until years after MS Office was shipping, and then it took more time to integrate the look-n-feel between the apps. Having the thing change names 3 times couldn't have helped either.
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:2, Informative)
Only one problem.... WinWord versions were 1, 2 and 6, before they went to the year numbering.
Why the jump? Because MS wanted version numbers in sync with the DOS version.
Re:Maybe this is good. - A History Lesson (Score:2)
Yep kids, Excel started out as a Mac application. Developing MS Word & MS Excel gave Bill lots of access deep inside Apple. This came in handy when MS reinvented Apple's UI and put - what else - the Mac applications on it.
Love it! (Score:5, Insightful)
I think KDE is fantastic, but I simply prefer GNOME. I've been watching GNOME make incredible strides in the time that it's been around, and I think as a GNOME user I have alot to look forward to.
I have also been using the Ximian desktop at home, and I think they've put out a great product. (I actually forked over $29.95 to Ximian because I valued their product so much I thought it worthwhile to purchase it.) Red Carpet has worked flawlessly for me so far. While I still like to build certain things (Apache, Perl, etc.) myself, it saves me a good deal of time not having to worry about keeping my packages up to date. Evolution still has some bugs, but it's getting more solid literally every day. I was happy to fork over some money to Ximian and I'll continue to do so as they improve their product.
I know that there are going to be Debian users telling me I can get Red Carpet for free via apt-get, and they are right. I know there are folks who consider KDE the superior desktop, and they've got alot of good points.
However, I prefer Red Hat, Ximian, and GNOME, and Ximian has put out the right product for my preferences, and I am happy to pay for it confident that they will use the money not only to enhance their product, but to create things that will give back to the community as well.
So I say keep up the good work, Ximian, from a very satisfied user.
I'd Love to be able to use Ximian (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I'd Love to be able to use Ximian (Score:3, Informative)
Features & Extensibility of Evolution? (Score:2)
I'm almost ready to jump over Evolution to handle my email.
Currently, I use exmh [beedub.com], which I've found to be a great GUI interface to my email. It uses tcl and tk for the GUI and MH for folders, but has all kinds of extensions to support PGP, address books, in-line HTML display, etc.
Is anyone, familiar with both exmh and Evolution, able to point out their relative merits and detractions?
Re:Features & Extensibility of Evolution? (Score:2)
Re:Features & Extensibility of Evolution? (Score:2)
An excellent idea - thanks!
Once I get my Linux box up, then I'll use my procmail recipe to divert copies of my email over there just to see how Evolution works for me.
In the future, my current simple SMTP to mbox file environment will change to a corporate Exchange server. I'm thinking of slurping the contents of the Exchange server using fetchmail, then procmail, to a file, then MUA (Evolution). I'm hoping that will provide me with a good solution, that there aren't any strange side effects with getting LDAP info (addresses) from the Exchange server, but reading local boxes.
I've used fetchmail at home to extract mail from my ISP, but I haven't had to use it at work much because the 24x7 services of the LAN have made SMTP to mbox file route painless.
Monolithic (Score:1)
Last time I used Evolution was a few months ago when I was trying to set up a decent email environment for my mother on our linux box. I was (and still am really) looking for a mail client that is basically a graphical mutt. I don't need it downloading mail, and I don't need it sending mail to my ISP. I use fetchmail to get my family's email whenever someone goes online (dialup). I do not want to have to be online to read email. Now supporting pop3/imap/whatever is fine but when editing the preferences of Evolution they seem extremely slanted toward the "this mail proggie does *everything*; screw your fetchmail, procmail, and local mail server".
Also, I'd like a way to configure where Evolution keeps its mailboxes. I hate that stupid "evolution" dir in my home. What's wrong with Mail/? Is this possible in versions I haven't seen?
With my mail setup, I compose offline and send to my local mailserver. I don't need seventeen mailboxes like "Outbox", "Drafts", "Useless Box", "Trash". I can't recall for Evolution, but with Balsa, you cannot delete your Outbox or Drafts. And they must begin with a capital letter, in aesthetic conflic with my other mailboxes. I also want my "Drafts" box to be named "postponed". And I don't want a "Trash", I want to simply delete stuff... and on and on.
So, how configurable is Evolution (or any decent gui mail client)? Every one I've tried goes to great lengths to act like a monolith. Not that that's necessarily bad, but I want to configure that extra crap I don't use out of my life
One last thing, does Evolution support PGP (surely...?).
Re:Monolithic (Score:1)
Re:Monolithic (Score:1)
Also, for Drafts, Sent, etc - you are able to specify whichever folder you want to act as a Draft or Sent folder. And they don't need to begin with a capital letter...
and yes, Evolution supports PGP...much better than any other clients that I've seen - linux or win32 (including mutt).
Re:Monolithic (Score:1)
It is (hopefully) going to be the app to drop in place of Outlook on many corporate PCs whos IS team is fed up with M$ pricing. So I don't expect it to differ much from Outlook on the outside (inside is a different world).
robi
Re:Monolithic (Score:3, Informative)
If you want to run Evolution in a fetchmail environment, it's no problem: when you set up your account, set "server type" to "Standard Unix mbox spools". You can then use Evolution in the same way that you use elm or mutt. For "Sending Email" choose "Sendmail". You can then read and send mail offline and it will queue.
One nuisance, though: I use procmail to sort my mail into separate mailboxes. It seems the only way to get Evolution to work smoothly with this setup is to pretend that each of these mailboxes is a separate account. I'd rather have better support for this mode of operation (which lets me continue to use either Evolution or elm).
We're going to ask for (Score:1)
an option to set the port of the pop server, as is possible in any self-respecting e-mail client.
Marko No. 5
show me da money (Score:2)
So my question is, now that they've got some more brains, more cash, and more product, how are they planning to actually make some money again?
nlh
Evolution on Darwin? (Score:1)
Seriously, though, I run a macOS&ppclinux based HIV research lab and fight a running battle with MS-centric hospital IS who keep trying to ram Windows down everyone's throats. I run my own mail server but am required as a matter of institutional policy to maintain (and read) e-mail and announcements on their Exchange/Outlook sytem. I am moving the macs to OS X and would love an Outlook replacement that interoperates with the hospital's Exhange servers but doesn't get infected with outlook viruses (bad form for a virologist).
Kapor not perfect (Score:4, Interesting)
The On Platform was developed with much money and some very big names. It was basically reusable software components - they lasted a few years in a couple of products, the company continued to blow through money and was sold off and now has nothing in common with the original. The breakthrough tech has long since dissapeared.
Since then he's had mixed success mostly trading in on his old-man-of-the-industry status. It's great that he's joining Ximian but this guy has had his share of misses along with a spectacular hit a generation ago.
Disclusure: I was hired the day On was bought from Kapor but never worked for him and his former staff seemed genuinely fond of him
In other news. (Score:2)
Re:What Am I Gonna Do About it Tough Guy? (Score:1)
Re:What Am I Gonna Do About it Tough Guy? (Score:1)
Re:Where is this going? (Score:1)
Look at the IMAP support in Evolution, and compare that to IMAP in Kmail. It's not catchup at all - Evolution is months ahead. For further evidence, look at the statements from the Kmail IMAP author (see http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde/2001-August/000
No flames, but KMail isn't going to have a suitable (for me) IMAP implementation anytime soon - the author just has different priorities. Showing you the unread message counts on your multitude of folders isn't one of them.
Because (Score:1)
my 2, like your 2, only make half the price.
Ctimes2
Re:Big Deal... (Score:2)
Re:I'd use Evolution BUT.. (Score:1)
I hope that folks remember this sort of flamage when the KDE Kids next komplain about Gnome people dissing their work.
Can't we all grow up?
Re:Help....Ximian stole my menus! (Score:2)
If you're running sawfish, they're all still in the root window middle-click menu. If you want them in your panel menus, try the following:
Go into the control center > panel > menu and set Programs (GNOME) to appear in a menu or submenu. Then run the following, as root:
for dir in `lsThey'll then appear in the menus under Program > [category] > Red Hat Menus