Georgia Tech Implements Wireless Campus Net 136
Kenneth Atchinson writes: "This
article, which is also publishd in the Ga Tech Alumni magazine,
describes how The Georgia Institute of Technology (Ga Tech) is implementing a Campus-Wide Wireless Network. The LAWN (Local Area Wireless/Walkup Network)will cover 15 buildings including their library. They are using high speed, standards based 802.11 hardware. With the LAWN, a campus person with a laptop and a wireless LAN card can access the Net on campus, and maintain their connection while walking between buildings. But don't run to Ga Tech for free access, as they have some kind network authentication scheme to keep non-Ga Tech people off their Net. Kinda make you wish you were in College again, heh? Go Jackets!!!"
And... (Score:1)
Unintended usage (Score:4)
In 1998, I was invited to make a presentation to a state licensing board showing them ways people could use technology to cheat on their license exams. Preparing for that seminar was the most fun I'd had in a long time! Why is that relevant?
Imagine, if you will, hundreds of students taking a test in a large classroom. One of them, near the back of the room, perhaps, has a little chat session running on his handheld, allowing his friend who took that test during the previous period to feed him all kinds of useful information. Hmmm.
Coming up with a dozen other ways to cheat on exams using a campus-wide wireless network is left as an exersize for the reader. Coming up with a reliable way to prevent such cheating is a great career move for anyone interested in an IT position with the school.
Re:So? (Score:1)
Allen Cain
Research online (Score:2)
Good for me... in four years... (Score:1)
Oh, and my subject line... I will probably be attending Georgia Tech after receiving my bachelor's degree at Macon State College about 80 miles south down I-75. Go me. :-)
Don't forget the Ipaq :) (Score:1)
Lots of schools have this (Score:1)
Drexel (Philadelphia, PA USA) has a complete map [drexel.edu] of their wireless setup. It was started back in 1998, and is still being expanded today.
Still not a perfect solution. (Score:2)
Tired of Wired (Score:3)
Thats funny I just read about Wireless Vending Machines [allnetdevices.com], and would like to point something out for the admins at GIT (if any browse here) as well as anyone using wireless networks.
Full article here [zdnet.com] and its pretty straightforward.
AntiOffline uncovers F.B.I's secret mole [antioffline.com]
Schools (Score:1)
My sisters college already has this... (Score:2)
If Georgia Tech wants to get campus-wide coverage, they'll have to dot the entire campus with hundreds of these antennas. Not to mention the cat5 cable it'll take to hook up those antennas to the school network.
Add University of Wisconsin-Madison to the list (Score:1)
I was even one of the techs who tested some of the trial systems before the final hardware was chosen.
Re:Point the finger (Score:1)
My school [columbia.edu] has a number of online journal subscriptions [columbia.edu] accessible to anyone on the campus subnet (or authenticated to their proxy), including many of the ACS [columbia.edu] journals. Yes, this is full-text and complete. Indeed, one can often find journals online through this service that they don't even have in paper form in the physical library.
// mlc, user 16290
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UMCP (Score:1)
Re:Several schools do this (summary) (Score:1)
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Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
If he took it during the previous period, couldn't he just tell him the answers before he went in?
Care about freedom?
Re:Drexel.edu had the first wireless library in '9 (Score:1)
Re:Security Implementation HOWTO? (Score:1)
Umm, we implented a similar system years ago. It has nothing to do with wireless access.
http://www.netreg.org/ [netreg.org]
-aaron
Re:So? (Score:1)
Re:WWW!= Internet (Score:2)
You're wondering how a cell phone would use the 802.11-based wireless LAN? I think PDAs would be in the same boat -- something powerful enough to do 802.11 should also be powerful enough to run a light-weight web browser. The only email-only PDAs I can think of are those two-way beeper-type deals.
Re:And... (Score:1)
Anyway, whatever the school is missing
So? (Score:4)
- A.P.
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Re:Add University of Wisconsin-Madison to the list (Score:1)
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CMU? (Score:2)
So what? (Score:1)
Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
Oh no...! (Score:1)
God does not play dice with the universe. Albert Einstein
Rensselaer Polytechnic (Score:1)
Security Implementation (Score:1)
They basically used iptables to allow the wireless MAC address onto the wired LAN after the client had been authenticated off a Kerbros server.
Re:Berkeley has had this for years (Score:1)
Re:My sisters college already has this... (Score:1)
Re:Federal compliance issues? (Score:1)
Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
On the other hand, the professor and a number of students in one of my classes have laptops with wireless cards. When a discussion comes up, somebody frequently comes up with a usenet post or web page resource relating to our discussion. More than once, the professor has written slews of email to students who are sitting only a few feet from him (wireless definitely adds to this class).
Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
Re:Will this radiation grill/kill me some day? (Score:1)
Otherwise, you can just stop moaning about something that probably won't hurt you at all.
After all the nuclear tests, chemical contamination, car exhaust, and unnatural living conditions we experience in modern life, the best thing you can come up with to complain about is radio waves? Give me a break.
If you really think radio waves are going to "heat up your noggin" you can wear a metal helmet. The electromagnetic shielding effect is the same thing that keeps your radio from working in a tunnel. And after that, I suggest you pour yourself a nice stiff drink and worry about something that actually has been proven to hurt you... like all that car exhaust you breathe every day.
Some people!
Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
bay43270 uttered, "Students can do this today on a pair of $150 palms and thier ir ports".
And how many classrooms have you been in where you could establish an IR (line-of-sight) link with someone not in the classroom without being really obvious?
I can't help but mention that (Score:1)
Maskirovka
Re:So? (Score:1)
Re:So? (Score:1)
Apple Computer has done this for years (Score:2)
Cheers,
Tomas
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Re:CMU? (Score:1)
Got one in my house. (Score:1)
Now they do it.... (Score:1)
I wish someone told me about this (Score:1)
"Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
(I am a man: nothing human is alien to me)
Re:Federal compliance issues? (Score:2)
On a side note, I say good for Tech. When I was there, I started the IFC committee to get ethernet into the greek houses (it eventually went into other non-university houses as well). Tech has always had some cool network stuff going on, so good for them.
Re:So? (Score:1)
Justin
Point the finger (Score:5)
Now imagine if you will, a professor who took the time to wander through that large classroom or assistants along with the professor who monitored what was going on during the exam instead of sitting back reading the latest news instead of doing his job
People are people and they don't neccessarily need a wireless device to cheat on an exam as they've done so for years before computers were even used in school, so this argument to me is a bit meaningless.
I will take note though that some of these campuses are overspending budget funds by purchasing some of these services (Internet based) I mean think about it on a reality based level, do you need a T1 or even a fraction of one coming into a college dorm? Sure they need net access to study but a better method would have been a reimbursement based plan to pay what they use, this way tax payer dollars stay down, colleges can purchase more, overspending is cut down, and abuse doesn't skyrocket.
Where in the world is SpeedyGrl [speedygrl.com]
Re:Unintended usage (Score:2)
Will this radiation grill/kill me some day? (Score:2)
When they find out the cellular phones heat up the noggin because of the not-neglectable power these beasts emit - what if I have to sit day after day in an area where they add more and more frills and thus more and more electromagnetic 'waste'...?
I wonder when GaTech (or someone else doin' the same) first gets sued by an ex-pregnant student/employee that gave birth to a negatively-influenced (as not to say mutilated) child... Sigh. Need a loong sommer somewhere in the wilderness...
Re:Berkeley has had this for years (Score:1)
Far as I know, all Berkeley has is a deal with Metricom for Ricochet service. Much slower than what we're talking about here, but on the other hand you can go all over Berkely/San Francisco with it.
Re:CMU? (Score:1)
(^o^)
nsh2@andrew
Re:Point the finger (Score:1)
I don't know whence comes this myth that the Internet is useful for research. Now and again I wish to look up item of scientific interest--some formula in physics, say--and _every time_ I've turned to the Internet for research purposes, I would have been better served if I'd driven to the nearest library. I probably would have found my information quicker, too--it takes a few seconds to search and a few quarter-hours to wade through the oceans of garbage which the search turns up. A search for information on a chemical reaction is more likely to turn up half a dozen pages on cooking up a batch of N-methylamphetamine, instead of anything of serious research value.
But, hell, going to school to _learn_ something is out of fashion these days. You go to school to play Quake ten hours a day, and trade in music and software bootlegs.
hyacinthus.
Re:So? (Score:1)
--Xantho
Re:So? (Score:1)
--Xantho
Re:Been there, done that.... (Score:1)
Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
Re:So? (Score:1)
--Xantho
Re:Offtopic (Score:1)
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Ring the doorbell and run
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Re:Unintended usage (Score:2)
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Portland (was Re:Don't forget the Ipaq :) (Score:1)
http://www.cs.pdx.edu/research/SMN/index.html
Re:CMU? (Score:1)
Offtopic (Score:2)
I spent 7 years there in grad school. I'll take a dialup connection rather than go back. And they're always begging for money from me!
I talked to (Score:1)
It's nice to see some members of the government actually getting it.
Re:But are they blocking services? (Score:1)
"Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
(I am a man: nothing human is alien to me)
You forgot to add... (Score:3)
Shakespeare in dub [antioffline.com]
UT-Dallas is working on a Wireless LAN too (Score:1)
Re:CMU? (Score:1)
Cool (Score:1)
Re:Security Implementation HOWTO? (Score:5)
There's also some papers here [tu-berlin.de] and here [indiana.edu]
On an unrelated note, there's been some research [microsoft.com] on locating users using 802.11b.
Up here in Canada (Score:1)
And in other news... (Score:1)
Get the idea?
POST RELEVANT SHITE.
Re:Will this radiation grill/kill me some day? (Score:1)
Re:So? (Score:1)
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Re:Unintended usage (Score:1)
Re:Point the finger (Score:1)
Of course, why do you think Napster is so popular? Your granny downloading Britney Spears songs? It's all part of a vast RIAA conspiracy to gain billions in "lost revenue" from Napster.
-antipop
Re:Federal compliance issues? (Score:2)
When I was there (late 80s), the Beta Theta Pi house (right behind the main computer building) seemed to always have a scheme going involving running ethernet to their house.
Over in the dorms, we were happy to have 9600kbps dialup using data-over-voice (call it a very early DSL). Though the top floor of Armstrong had a loop of 300-ohm twinlead that got used for various purposes like a movie feed from a VCR (in the pre-CATV days) and some oddball LAN.
Re:Unintended usage (Score:2)
Re:Federal compliance issues? (Score:1)
Do you have a reference to support your position that libraries serving as Federal Depositories are required to have open electronic access to the Internet?
It's also worth noting that an access-controlled wireless LAN is unlikely to be violation of such laws (if they exist) as long as it exists in parallel with an unrestricted method of access (such as a terminal lab).
--S
Drexel University (Score:2)
Re:Will this radiation grill/kill me some day? (Score:1)
"Homo sum: humani nil a me alienum puto"
(I am a man: nothing human is alien to me)
Re:So? (Score:1)
Re:Federal compliance issues? (Score:2)
Re:Now they do it.... (Score:1)
Stanford has something like this... (Score:2)
A paper about our authentication scheme [stanford.edu], which is based on our campus Kerberos infrastructure. We don't need to pre-register MAC addresses, unless some other schemes.
Re:Lots of schools have this (Score:1)
Don't rush? (Score:2)
In local campus news today... (Score:4)
...two Computer Science students were treated for broken noses and released, after a full-on collision on the sidewalk. Both students were crossing campus in between courses, and were completely engrossed in the Q3 CTF games running on their respective palmtops.
Re:CMU? (Score:2)
News for nerds, stuff that matters (even if it is really old news)
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How this works at other schools (Score:2)
WWW!= Internet (Score:2)
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Re:So? (Score:2)
I would rather have a nice workstation in the lab, or another research project started.
But RPI is number one wired school in america now that they have mandated every freshman to buy a laptop before attending.
Damnned if we use 'em.
Re:Unintended usage (Score:2)
Of course, if you tried to implement such an honor code here at ASU, you would get laughed at and taken advantage of. :(
Drexel.edu had the first wireless library in '97 (Score:2)
http://www.drexel.edu/IRT/wireless/ [drexel.edu]
You do have to register your NIC with the IRT, presumably to keep just anyone from leaching off our fiber backbone.
Federal compliance issues? (Score:2)
It makes sense to require unrestricted network access at the Congressional level, as is the case here. If people are denied access, then one of the fundamental tenets of western civilization is violated: the free access to and flow of information. Throughout history, libraries have been public institutions serving the public good by disseminating information previously guarded in the hands of the few. The Revolutionary war our nation was founded on was fought as much because of restrictive lending privileges at the Bodlean as because of the tyranny of mercantilism or Parliamentary taxation.
What are they honestly afraid of? It's not as though individuals will be flocking to the library to steal their bandwidth (which is their right, btw, under Federal law, as I mentioned). Are they afraid more vagrants will enter and disturb the delicate institutional framework they have worked so hard to erect and worked so passionately to defend from interlopers? I hardly think the incidence of homeless people traipsing in with their laptops will increase.
Dartmouth College (Score:2)
I expect that in two years, having a wireless network for a campus will be as standard as ethernet in the dorms has become.
Carnegie Mellon already has campus-wide wireless (Score:2)
All of the academic buildings have coverage. A large portion of the outdoor academic campus is also covered. (No coverage in the dorms, though.)
For more information, see:
[cmu.edu]
http://www.cmu.edu/computing/wireless/
Several schools do this (summary) (Score:3)
We (Waterloo [uwaterloo.ca]) still don't have a wireless network.
Here's who does:
Grumble, grumble. So much for us being a high tech school.
Paul
Papers on the net (Score:2)
In general you don't look on the journals' and conferences' pages, you look at researchers' pages to track down those references. The ACM Digital Library [acm.org] has a number of useful papers, but a lot of the papers were scanned in as bitmaps and so they look terrible.
High school (Score:2)
We already have it at UC Irvine (Score:2)