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    • This is the third stab at the republicans in 45 years. After Nixon and Reagan, you really think this time it will be different? Just like before, each side is digging in their heels. Something about... elephants, amirite?

  • They don't have the spine to move towards impeachment yet. Only once they are sure that impeachment is a no-fail endeavor will they proceed. They think that doing this will allow them to avoid the "wandering around in the wilderness" phase that the GOP had prior to St. Ronnie, but they don't realize they have been wandering for a while.

    There is one upside of this, though. No sane person would ever say Drumpf is not vindictive. Eventually he will realize the axe is about to come down, so he will make
    • They don't have the spine to move towards impeachment yet.

      This is a pointless argument, since the Dems control neither house of congress, and even with the best 2018 projections, would not even be close to the numbers needed to impeach properly. Hell, even a GOP-controlled congress couldn't get the votes to impeach Clinton, so slow down a little bit. Plenty of time to castigate the Dems when they fuck up.
      • I was just replying to your JE line of

        It really is a shame that impeachment isn't on the table,

        You certainly can't expect the GOP to suddenly discover enough morality within their own party to impeach Drumpf - even with the potential fate of the world hanging in the balance - can you?

        Hell, even a GOP-controlled congress couldn't get the votes to impeach Clinton

        Technically that is not true. Clinton was impeached [wikipedia.org], the GOP was unable to come up with enough votes to remove him from office.

        • You certainly can't expect the GOP to suddenly discover enough morality within their own party to impeach Drumpf - even with the potential fate of the world hanging in the balance - can you?

          Well, no, which is why I stated that impeachment was off the table.

          the GOP was unable to come up with enough votes to remove him from office.

          Potayto, potahto.

          • My prediction: The GOP will continue to back him up just long enough to get their travesty of a tax bill passed, then they'll be more than happy to to toss him under the bus.

            • I keep hearing this, but an impeachment fight doesn't leave anyone looking good. Look at the Garland nomination: they'll just dig in their feet and wait for the midterms. In fact, now that I think about it, losing the House to the Dems would be great. There'd be gridlock, but Trump wouldn't be going anywhere, and they would, as you said have already passed their billionaire tax cut.

              • an impeachment fight doesn't leave anyone looking good.

                :-) I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but it's funny. For whom do they have to look good? Will a single dem/rep incumbent lose to an independent? No need to answer...

                • For whom do they have to look good?

                  Their donors. You know, the ones the GOP have been very publicly outpsoken about lately, since support was going to be cut off if they couldn't produce this tax bill? As with their children, the rich prefer their quislings to be seen and not heard, and the impeachment process is very noisy.

                  • the impeachment process is very noisy.

                    It also serves as the perfect distraction to keep the press occupied. Meanwhile, they got their bill through, and the "opposition" impotently stamps its feet. Once again SNAFU...

                    • It also serves as the perfect distraction to keep the press occupied.

                      Except the problem is it would distract the press from everything but what the GOP would like it distracted from. Besides, Trump routinely provides lots of cover, so that argument's kinda pointless.

                      and the "opposition" impotently stamps its feet.

                      As opposed to what?

          • You certainly can't expect the GOP to suddenly discover enough morality within their own party to impeach Drumpf - even with the potential fate of the world hanging in the balance - can you?

            Well, no, which is why I stated that impeachment was off the table.

            My bad, I seem to have misread your initial statement then. I figured you mentioned it - and specifically chose those words - based on how Pelosi and others had explicitly stated it to be off the table. I hadn't considered that you were referring to all of congress as a collective.

            FWIW others are suggesting that the GOP leadership might be well aware that Drumpf's days are likely very much numbered, and that if they let him fall but get their tax bill through while he's still around then their own cr

        • Morality? In American Politics? It's been over a hundred years since anything like it has been seen.

    • They don't have the spine to move towards impeachment yet.

      I love you brother, but if you'd just checked, you would have learned that Democrats have indeed introduced articles of impeachment against Trump. I mean, it was just a couple of weeks ago, and I can understand how you would have missed it, since hardly any media outlets covered it.

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u... [nbcnews.com]

      • There are a few who have introduced articles, and I am glad to see that. However those are even more symbolic and less substantive than the hundreds of attempts the GOP made to repeal the ACA while Obama was in office. Democratic leadership will never allow the articles to move forward.

    • Right now, Mike Pence is looking like the most intelligent politician ever. At the rate we're going, everybody else in the federal government is going to be tied up in sexual harassment lawsuits.

      • People - especially politicians and celebrities - who go to such great lengths to suppress and cover up their sexualities are often the same ones who get caught trying to score anonymous action in the men's room, or as owners of massive collections of kiddie porn.

  • Pfft! Nixon and Reagan all over again. They'll be rolling off to a nice private gig, living fatter than ever.

    Plenty of time to castigate the Dems when they fuck up.

    Eggsactly... How many times in our short lives does that have to repeat? Indefinite sounds like the correct answer.

  • They didn't get any higher than Ollie North in the Reagan years, this whole mess is going nowhere fast too, especially since if they dig too deep they're going to find that the Russians were funded by the Democrats.

    • they're going to find that the Russians were funded by the Democrats.

      Curious where you got this from. I haven't seen this particular theory anywhere else.

      • The Washington Post, three months ago.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html [washingtonpost.com]

        The whole bloody mess was bought and paid for, and delivered the story line as expected (just like what passes for "science" in the Democratic Party).

        • You're mixing up the "russian dossier", which is one thing, with the backdoor overtures the Trump campaign made to the russians, which is another thing.

          Also, Mueller's investigating that as well I believe. It looks like the Podestas are on the chopping block, so democrats are already getting done in by this investigation.

          • Same thing. All a bought and paid for lie.

            • Same thing.

              But they're not. They're two separate things done by two separate groups of people. The only connection is that some of the activities by one group are detailed in the report commissioned by the second group.

              • I do not believe what is in the report, is the problem there. It appears to me like the whole thing was engineered to create events to put into the report.

                The Democrats wanted a report proving that the Republicans were reaching out to the Russians, and the Russians reached out to the Trump Campaign to gather "intelligence" to put into the report.

                That is the problem with telling your researchers what you are looking for. No different than paying for a case study to determine that homosexuals are better par

                • Gotta give you credit: I've seen a lot of prevarication around these particular issues, but that's a whole new angle I haven't seen anywhere else before.

                  • What are you talking about? Manipulating reports for financial/political gain standard operating procedure. Why should we believe any of their bullshit? I can't believe anybody seriously would. You are only making the proverbial distinction without a difference in defense of the democrats. And these "particulars" are mere saplings in the apparently invisible forest. This whole thing will produce precisely the same results as Watergate and Iran/Contra, a whole lot of nothing, aside from a temporary shift of

                    • Manipulating reports for financial/political gain standard operating procedure.

                      That's a great generalization, but specifically, in regards to the Steele dossier, what do you think is the problem with it?

                      Why should we believe any of their bullshit?

                      Man, I don't know. You are on record as dismissing a lot of what most people take for granted as "bullshit" so I can't help you pathfind on this one.

                    • Gee.. You said it yourself, these people have to look good to the donors. That is who they serve. How much more obvious can it be? I dismiss your continued faith in the politicians, despite past events, as bullshit, or maybe elephant shit, you know, the one standing in your room.

                    • So, you don't have any particular problems with the Steele dossier then?

                    • Your "Steele dossier" is exactly the kind of distraction, *wag the dog* bullshit I'm talking about. Pure speculation that the dems are trying to use as their prime excuse for losing the election. Wake me when you cough up some evidence of actual election fraud (aside from the DNC's efforts) and actual Russian hacking. Show us why we should believe the authorities at face value without question in light of past history.

                      You are watching the remake of an old Ronald Reagan movie, and the ending is the same as t

                    • Your "Steele dossier" is exactly the kind of distraction, *wag the dog* bullshit I'm talking about.

                      I don't think that's how "wag the dog" works. I think "false flag" might be the more apt term.

                      Pure speculation that the dems are trying to use as their prime excuse for losing the election.

                      Right, so no specifics, it's just bullshit because everything is bullshit, fine. Serious question: If everything is fake news how the fuck do you plan your life? How the fuck do you exist? How the fuck do you

                    • everything is bullshit

                      No, this is bullshit... Of course that makes everything based on it bullshit also. And your appeal to authority is bullshit.

                      And please! "objective truth"? You won't find any of that coming from people with skin in the game who are paid to deny/hide it. If you want to take bullshit at face value, fine, that would be your choice.

                    • No, this is bullshit

                      Well, your writing skills are so horrible, I have no idea what the subject of that sentence is supposed to be. The Mueller investigation? This discussion? Actual shit from a bull's ass?

                      And your appeal to authority is bullshit.

                      WTF are you on about here?

                      You won't find any of that coming from people with skin in the game who are paid to deny/hide it. If you want to take bullshit at face value, fine, that would be your choice.

                      Not what I was asking you. You seem to hav

                    • I never said everything is bullshit. You got this "thing". With my limited vocabulary I don't have the word, but genpop would know what it's called. Something to do with elephants, I believe. They got you trampled.

                    • Time for that breitbart experiment, methinks. I'll let you know how many upvotes you get.

                    • :-) You guys are every bit as tribal as the republicans. Not surprised at all that you would project that..

                    • Not surprised at all that you would project that..

                      LOL, you have no idea what I'm talking about.

                    • :-) That's okay, you don't either

                    • Nope. You're so tone deaf you missed the part where I'm talking about you and your incipient fame, not politics. Not every problem is a nail waiting to be hammered. There's more to life than your CDS.

                    • I'm talking about you and your incipient fame

                      :-) I have to repeat, you don't know what you're talking about, my inability to express the self evident notwithstanding.

                    • Well, zero upvotes so far, but it's only day one, and I haven't even touched your deep cuts yet. Don't worry, you'll find an audience :)

                    • Don't worry, you'll find an audience :)

                      Most hilarious... Elephants, all the way down

                    • Jackpot! I hit up their feed thinigie in order to get in early before the flood, and this comment [slashdot.org] has 2 upvotes so far!

                      As long as I catch the stories early, I think we're looking at some interesting results in the future.

                    • Ah, that's right! If you're against the democrats, you're a republican. How could I ever have forgotten??

                    • How could I ever have forgotten??

                      I know, right? I make the occasional nice comment about Democrats and there's this asshole thinks that makes me a Clinton fanboi. Life just ain't fair...

                    • Well, during the election you most certainly were a Clinton fanboi. It doesn't make any difference that your service is to the democratic party, of which you are a true fanboi for sure. You cannot/will not see beyond them. That was and is also self evident. That elephant blocking your view? And you still won't accept that she lost the election without any help, against Trump, of all the people on this planet! You* had to be a fanboi to vote for her, the very same kind that stands 100% behind Trump to this d

                    • Well, during the election you most certainly were a Clinton fanboi. It doesn't make any difference that your service is to the democratic party, of which you are a true fanboi for sure. You cannot/will not see beyond them.

                      Got any sauce for that bullshit?

                      That was and is also self evident.

                      Guess that's a no, then.

                      And you still won't accept that she lost the election without any help

                      We've been over this. It has nothing to do with acceptance, it's just that, like normal people, I don't uncri

                    • I don't uncritically swallow sweeping statements without evidence..

                      No, that's just one of those little things you project. I gave evidence, you do exactly like the Trump fans and wave it off. What's the point? It's a wasted effort.

                    • I gave evidence

                      LOL, not only have you not done that, you've yourself handwaved away any evidence that presents a more complex situation as 'irrelevant'. Voter suppression, the electoral college, a quarter-century of smears, allegations and wasteful investigations, plain old sexism, all non-problems to you.

                      Self-aware, you are not.

                    • I am responsible for my misfortunes, as you are for yours. Lack of self awareness is yet another projection of your own.

                      Voter suppression, the electoral college...

                      Still can't accept the results, eh? That's funny... Majority rule takes many forms, not just in the voting booth itself. It's *playing along to get along [twimg.com]* (your dreamy compromise) that put you where you are today. Your personal choices have a bigger than personal effect.

                    • Lack of self awareness is yet another projection of your own.

                      Okay. You may want to change your writing style though...

                      Still can't accept the results, eh?

                      ...because sentences like that belie your claims.

                      We're not talking about accepting the results, we're talking about the causes of the results. Your claim is that Clinton lost because many people hate her as much you do. You present no evidence for this and then snark at the rest of us for not "accepting" your baseless claims. When someone

                    • we're talking about the causes of the results

                      No, you are simply passing the blame from the voters themselves.

                      Also, fuck you for making me pity you.

                      Uhhh, okay. Never considered myself so compelling, but hey...

                      When someone trots out specifics, you ignore them

                      *sigh* more proj... ah fuck it. You're on a tear, knock yourself out...

                    • No, you are simply passing the blame from the voters themselves.

                      Putting aside the literal impossibility of having every US citizen being as discerning a voter as you, why would you even want that kind of homogeneity?

                      *sigh* more proj... ah fuck it.

                      Sorry dude, it's not projection when I have actual examples of you going "pff" when I bring up systemic problems in the current US political setup. Troll harder.

                    • It's still a matter of choice. Either you decide, or you let the elephant do it for you. Your blame passing will only ensure all those "systemic problems" will continue indefinitely. Until you attack the cause, you are just barking up a tree without a paddle. There is no use discussing the resulting "specifics" when the fundamental self evident cause is so far *off the table*. You simply refuse to contemplate the power of personal choice. You choose to remain in denial. It's no different than any other trib

                    • It's still a matter of choice.

                      No, it's not. [motherjones.com]

                      Your blame passing

                      You keep saying this. I've never once absolved the voters. All I've done is suggest that facts on the ground are a little more complicated. There's plenty of "cause" to go around.

                      will only ensure all those "systemic problems" will continue indefinitely.

                      Voter suppresion is only systemic in states with GOP-controlled legislatures.

                    • Sorry, you have to start with the voters before anything else can work. Without that foundation you will get nowhere. Too simple.. It's all on us, as individuals. Everything else is *bullshit*. As is your link. Except for the subtitle, it says what I do, "you’re going to have to show some initiative". I guess you can find a little truth in everything.

                    • Sorry, you have to start with the voters before anything else can work.

                      How is that possible when those voters aren't even given the ability to make a choice in the first place?

                      As is your link.

                      What's bullshit about it?

                    • Given the ability?? Please! They have to demand or take that themselves*. What's this give shit?

                      What's bullshit about it?

                      Everything except the part I quoted*, which also applies to the crap about being given the ability.

                      The majority of voters want those restrictions in place, so there's no one else you can blame for that, except the feds for not enforcing the law. If the majority does not want the law enforced, it will not be enforced. How simple can it be?? The voter, each individual, decides. And right no

                    • Why do you persist in treating every single voter like a carbon copy of yourself? Do you really not see the problem inherent in that view? Do you not understand that the single mom who's kid is about to lose his CHIP insurance doesn't have the the decades to build your perfect democracy and will instead, tribally, vote for whoever's least likely to to kill her kid?

                      Do you really think the pensioners who walked into this fuckery [twitter.com] said to themselves "Gee, I'm part of the problem!" and not "This is why I don

                    • Why do you persist in treating every single voter like a carbon copy of yourself?

                      You're fantasizing again... Nobody will seek out a better solution as long as they think somebody else will do it for them. You're on your own, kid...

                    • You're fantasizing again

                      Only if you consider yourself as bankrupt as the rest of the electorate when it comes to perpetuating this system.

                      Nobody will seek out a better solution as long as they think somebody else will do it for them.

                      Great, more boilerplate. Fuck it: To be clear then, the overwhelming minority turnout in Alabama that got a Jones win in a +28 GOP state, that was not seeking a better solution, correct? They've just elected one petty oligarch instead of another, right?

                    • You know... watching you flail about... fuck.. thanks for the show... I wish you could see yourself [youtube.com].

                      They've just elected one petty oligarch instead of another, right?

                      Yep They sure did!

                    • LOL. You're too much work. I have to get several posts of regurgitation and random youtube links before you can deign yourself to answer one simple question.

                      But of course, I'm the one flailing about and projecting...

                    • She lost. That's "What Happened". Boo hoo! Democracy is hard. It takes more effort than setting the timer every two years and going back to sleep. All questions have been answered. You can stop with the whiny blame passing any time you want. Or you can keep the spectacle running as long as you like. The steaming heap always attracts flies. Like everything else, it's your choice.

                    • She lost. That's "What Happened"

                      ...what? What's this in response to? I have no idea.

                      Boo hoo! Democracy is hard.

                      Well, yeah. Which is why I don't understand why you think "vote better" is the solution. That's a desire, not a plan.

                      It takes more effort than setting the timer every two years and going back to sleep.

                      Referring to the single mother I was talking about earlier...you really want to slam people like that? There are literally millions of people in the US living hand to mouth, try

                    • :-) You are so goofy. We already have "democracy", or maybe you didn't know that. And we already have exactly the government the majority wants. But here you are, again whining because life isn't easy. God, what a load! It's pure blame passing. Of course you will deny that again also. Also notable is your lack of something better or even anything at all to offer outside your own mass media generated *boilerplate* bullshit.

                      She lost. That's "What Happened"

                      ...what? What's this in response to?

                      Your entire shtick... You people are still crying about spilled milk. It's not

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