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Online Gifts Not There Yet? You're Not Alone.

Posted by jimjag on Sat Dec 25, 1999 11:42 AM
from the stink-stank-stunk dept.
The Associated Press said in this story that Toys R Us has been telling customers that they are unable to keep their promise that all orders placed by December 10th would be received by customers in time for Christmas. A report on ABCNews.com claims that this is a "universal" problem, not just with Toys R Us, but I didn't have any problem with the online merchants I used this year, none of which were Toys R Us. What about you? Did all the gifts you ordered online this year get there in time for Christmas?
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  • Funny... by razvedchik (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:45AM
  • of course they did by elthia (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:46AM
  • And I was wondering... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:47AM
  • I had great experiences by justinw (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:50AM
  • 8 speed by unit-6 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:51AM
  • sure did by _martini_ (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:52AM
  • Mine arrived on time... by Oscarfish (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:52AM
  • I was affected... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:54AM
  • Hanukah was early this year... by humphrm (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:54AM
  • Yayyyy Geeks! by Pendulum (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:57AM
  • All gifts present and accounted for by Fooster (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:57AM
  • Don't lose hope yet! by lahosken (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:58AM
  • What's all the fuss about? by dsplat (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:59AM
  • My e-commerce tragedy by foolishj (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:00AM
  • ToysRus.com has had problems before. by Ice Station Zebra (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:02AM
  • Online vs Store by NIVRAM (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:05AM
  • Reel.com by roach2002 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:06AM
  • Re:All gifts present and accounted for by NReitzel (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:07AM
  • Thank you amazon by shango dee (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:09AM
  • Outpost.com by Tortolia (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:09AM
  • Re:I was affected... by harlows_monkeys (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:14AM
  • Won't Shop Online! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:15AM
  • Amazon by psp (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:20AM
  • q3a for linux by larz (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:21AM
  • Alibris by Kyobu (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:24AM
  • 50/50 by banky (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:27AM
  • no problems here by ghira (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:27AM
  • Online Ordering by Signal 11 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:27AM
  • Mine is on back order. by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:30AM
  • Not as fortunate... by THobbes (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:34AM
  • by lance_link (97462) on Saturday December 25 1999, @07:35AM (#1445683)
    I like this line from the ABC article

    "I would be absolutely amazed if there was an Internet company that did not have problems this holiday season," said industry analyst Ken Cassar of Jupiter Communications. "It's a new business model. People are just figuring out how to make it work."


    After several years of net-hype and decades of retail catalogs, to say that [ahem] "e-commerce" is new... Hm, yeah, getting buyers to give you nicely formatted entries in a database for fulfilment--whoa, really radical concept. Stand back kids, it might bite..

    Things aren't getting shipped on time because these companies aren't shipping them on time. And the reason they aren't shipping them on time is that their collective heads are spinning with visions of all the money to be made "on the internet" instead of the boring details of running a real-world business. Hate to break the news to you newly minted e-businesspeople, but maybe if you spent more time getting your sh*t together and less time drooling over the wealth of Solomon that flows to anyone who uses the letter "e," you wouldn't have these problems.

    Personally, problems like this make me really happy. I hope to god that "consumers" decide that e-commerce is a load of hooey so the whole PR front collapses and we can god back to the Good Old Days of the net. :)

    Get the e out of e-xmas and put the x back in xmas, I say.
  • bn.com by zbo (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:40AM
  • Thinkgeek, Copyleft by Yosemite Sue (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:41AM
  • about 80% success rate. by Eugene (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:43AM
  • I guess I was lucky... by adatta (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:44AM
  • sure did by jazzman45 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:45AM
  • My experience... by Issue9mm (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:45AM
  • Amazon worked just fine. by j.e.hahn (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:47AM
  • L.L. Bean worked just fine by jgennick (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:47AM
  • Re:Great experience here also by DosGusanos (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:47AM
  • Sony failed us... by asqui (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:49AM
  • by roystgnr (4015) <(roystgnr) (at) (ticam.utexas.edu)> on Saturday December 25 1999, @07:49AM (#1445695) Homepage
    Got this in my mailbox this morning from the Ditherati [ditherati.com] mailing list:

    PICK IT, BOX IT ... UM, WE FORGOT WHAT COMES NEXT

    "We sat down yesterday and felt that there were some orders that we were not able to ship for Christmas."

    Toysrus.com CEO John Barbour, on the lack of fulfillment felt by his company's warehouse workers during the holiday rush, The New York Times, 23 December 1999 [nytimes.com]
  • please dont hurt me by redmist (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:04AM
  • Re:Yayyyy Geeks! by tpck (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:06AM
  • No trouble for me by jfunk (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:07AM
  • Service varied (Score:3)

    by SiW (10570) on Saturday December 25 1999, @08:14AM (#1445699) Homepage

    Jeez, reading /. on Christmas Day, how sad is that? Posting on Christmas Day, how sad is that?

    Anyway, this was the first time we've done a significant amount of our shopping online, and we have had mixed service. Here's my little review:

    1. Amazon.com

    We ordered toys, a book, a CD, and a stereo system. Everything was shipped promptly, everything arrived looking in good condition. Even though they couldn't gift-wrap the stereo (which was to be a surprise gift), they did wrap it up in concealing plastic so as not to give the surprise away. Yay for Amazon's service. Boo for Amazon's patent silliness.

    2. art.com

    My sister-in-law bought us a framed print from here, arrived a little later than anticipated but still well before Christmas. They packed it up nice and securely, and they even have a little pic on the outside of the packaging so you can check to make sure it's the right thing without opening it. Nice touch.

    3. eToys

    My wife actually ordered from here before I could stop her, but it was at least a week or so before the eToy thing became huge news.. Anyway, eToys' service sucks. We ordered two items, one of which shipped fine (though arrived looking like it had been sitting on a Wal-Mart shelf for a few weeks), but the other one didn't. So we get an email saying it was backordered. Of course, when we ordered it, they didn't bother telling us this - I thought the greatest part about online shopping was a live inventory reporting system.. Anyway, the toy should arrive sometime next month. Happy end of January, son!

    3. Toys R Us

    We didn't order from here ourselves, my sis-in-law did. Ordered well before Christmas, but didn't arrive, like 90% of the other ToysRUs orders, apparently. When I read about the $100 certificate they promised, I thought "well at least that's something", but as I suspected, they managed to talk their way out of delivering: they told my sis-in-law (who had been waiting a total of 2.5 hours on the phone) this week that it had actually been backordered, so they canceled the order and refunded her money. Funny though, the week before they said it was in transit.

    So yeah, it was a pretty mixed bag. On the whole, we got cheaper prices online, and I didn't have to suffer the holiday crowds (my wife did, and she reported toy shelves were picked clean..)

    Now all I need to do is find out why Create & Draw in Elmo's World doesn't actually let you draw anything..

  • Mostly successful... by Andy Dodd (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:18AM
  • great experiences by edgarde (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:27AM
  • Re:"Untried business model" - not by Syberghost (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:33AM
  • Shopping online by RastaSaf (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:33AM
  • buy.com sucks by Shin Dig (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:37AM
  • Re:q3a for linux by chainsaw1 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:42AM
  • Re:I guess I was lucky... by churn (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:54AM
  • Some random I-Net Companies by Necroman (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:55AM
  • I guess I'm just lucky... by F250SuperDuty (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:56AM
  • Bigstar.com came through by Spanky Lovesalot (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:58AM
  • Re:Won't Shop Online! by glitch_ (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:08AM
  • My experiences by the eric conspiracy (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:14AM
  • by Skyshadow (508) on Saturday December 25 1999, @09:19AM (#1445715) Homepage
    I had problems with several online shopping sites this year.

    First, I placed an order at Toys 'R Us on the 9th and got screwed -- the package isn't here, but their idiot reps claim it was shipped on the 23rd. The problem is that I had to go out and buy the toys at the mall in the meantime, and I can't get the money credited back to my account until I send the stuff back.

    Second, I ordered a Palm as another gift. The site popped up an error message when I tried to complete the transaction. I tried for hours to reach their customer service line, but it was constantly busy. It turns out that they billed my card and didn't send the damn thing -- yet more money suddenly unavailable to buy gifts with.

    Finally I ordered some silk PJs from Victoria's Secret for my g/f. I paid for next day shipping, but they didn't get the package out the door for three fsck'ing days.

    Each and every gift I tried to buy online got messed up in some way, and I ended up having to go to the mall for the toys and the Palm (the PJs made it at the last possible second). Overall, I'm really pissed off at the companies who dropped the ball -- only Toys 'R Us made any real attempt to make right with the situation.

    I'm never buying off the Victoria's Secret site again -- in my book, if I pay for Next Day shipping and order before 10AM, the product better damn well be shipped that day, not a frickin' week later. Also, I'm sticking to large online sites for computer gear from now on -- the little places obviously don't have the manpower to handle a holiday rush if anything goes wrong with their website. I'll probably try shopping online again next year, but I'm going to buy extra early so I don't end up getting screwed over as badly as I did this year -- at this point, I'm looking at eating raman and walking to work (in Wisconsin in January) until the double-charges (Toys 'R Us and the place that charged to Palm without sending it) get taken off my stupid credit card.

    Christmas would have been far less stressful if I'd just gone to the mall. There ought to be some kind of consumer protection law against what happened to me this year, especially V.S.'s "not really Next Day" shipping rip-off.

    ----

  • 92% Success rate! Not bad, I guess by Louis Stice (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:21AM
  • Got all but one by Hollinger (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:23AM
  • Re:I was affected... by ChadN (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:24AM
  • Of course by Zagato-sama (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:32AM
  • Re:Reel.com by p-k4 (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:36AM
  • Re:"Untried business model" - not by Demona (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:39AM
  • Re:I was affected... by fluxrad (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:39AM
  • Quick Poll Thread by fluxrad (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:48AM
  • Macys was the Worst by richj (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:48AM
  • Barnes and Noble SQL problems. by nft (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:55AM
  • The two Canadian online bookstores by Colin Simmonds (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:56AM
  • Re:Mine is on back order. by heff (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:56AM
  • Outpost, Amazon, Palm failed by splattertrousers (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:58AM
  • Problems with Established Companies by Skyshadow (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:59AM
  • Pretty Good Experience by MikeyNg (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:06AM
  • Re:Service varied by garcia (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:15AM
  • Re:Great experience here also by Zurk (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:31AM
  • Re:Won't Shop Online! by Zurk (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:32AM
  • Re:sure did by Ashen (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:41AM
  • Fer crying out loud... by Doppleganger (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:53AM
  • Thinkgeek Rocks. Plain and simple by zbo (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:04AM
  • delays by blaine (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:06AM
  • e-business: service or price? by Heisenbug (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:15AM
  • Re:I was affected... by mjprobst (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:16AM
  • Re:I was affected... by harlows_monkeys (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:19AM
  • This isn't the end of it! by harlows_monkeys (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:33AM
  • Shop Online? by Tyrell Hawthorne (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:41AM
  • Ordering online - by jbgreer (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:43AM
  • Re:I was affected... by marmoset (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:47AM
  • My "Orders around Christmas" list. by Kris_J (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @11:47AM
  • Simply Useless by MartyJG (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:06PM
  • Three cheers for the 'Smart Masses' by tweder (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:21PM
  • Order from Futureshop not here in time... by gleask (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:23PM
  • Re:bn.com by relnev (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:31PM
  • Re:of course they did by elthia (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:41PM
  • Re:about 80% success rate. by m3000 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:41PM
  • Re:sure did by m3000 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:44PM
  • 100% Success with Amazon - Not UPS by Evan Vetere (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:46PM
  • Refuse by CBoy (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @12:52PM
  • Re:100% Success with Amazon - Not UPS by m3000 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @01:07PM
  • Late Orders, NO? by korntera (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @01:12PM
  • Gap online, sucks. by letdown (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @01:25PM
  • The actual letter sent from Toys - R - Us... by runestar (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @01:47PM
  • Re:Service varied by HamNRye (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @01:57PM
  • Gross Professional Negligence -> toysrussucks.html by Aladdin Sane (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @02:21PM
  • Parent did a fantasic job by m0nkeyb0y (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @02:42PM
  • Shopping results and "pissed letter" tips by BBB (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @03:38PM
  • Online Ordering... by BushLad (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @03:49PM
  • On-Line Shopping in Australia by grantdh (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @03:53PM
  • USPS was the only problem I had by stilwebm (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @04:03PM
  • Re:amazon by ZachB (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @04:05PM
  • Toys-R-Us in full crisis mode, apparently by 1010011010 (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @04:07PM
  • etoys screwed me by jdg (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @04:39PM
  • Re:Funny... by Inoshiro (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @05:12PM
  • Christmas (Unexpected) Suprises by papa248 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @05:14PM
  • Good Experiences by Kit Cosper (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @05:24PM
  • Re:buy.com sucks by ostiguy (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @05:26PM
  • Better corporate inventory coordination? by jgd (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @05:54PM
  • Re:of course they did by aenea (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @05:59PM
  • Re:Reel.com by psychophil.com (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:15PM
  • Gifts by Fizgig (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:26PM
  • outpost.com was the best by psychophil.com (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @06:38PM
  • Amazon and Broken Promises by iriefrank (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:13PM
  • But...what about Hanukkah? by Ateran (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:16PM
  • Re:All Kinds of Ugliness Here by Peale (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:26PM
  • ChaosMusic in Australia by Yakman (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:41PM
  • Re:Problems with Established Companies by breser (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @07:57PM
  • what do you expect ? by serialk (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:24PM
  • My results at Outpost.com and (ack) e-toys by fence (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @08:25PM
  • Credit Disputes by Skyshadow (Score:2) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:05PM
  • 3 orders, nothing received yet by splice42 (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:07PM
  • Re:Funny... by yetisalmon (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:41PM
  • Re:Funny... by droleary (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @09:42PM
  • Re:Service varied by Anthony Kilna (Score:1) Saturday December 25 1999, @10:36PM
  • Thinkgeek - Order shipped to /dev/null by brad-d (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @12:19AM
  • No back office ... by aUser (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @02:46AM
  • Re:All Kinds of Ugliness Here by bungo (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @04:31AM
  • Experiences... by JuddMaltin (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @04:56AM
  • One was late by Thomas A. Anderson (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @05:03AM
  • Amazon snafu (Score:3)

    by babbage (61057) <cdevers AT cis DOT usouthal DOT edu> on Sunday December 26 1999, @05:43AM (#1445833) Homepage Journal
    A friend tried to send me O'Reilly's Palm Programming book.

    I instead received The Power of a Praying Wife.

    All things being equal, this sounds like a much funnier book. I might just keep it. heh



  • gifts not there yet by karmalien (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @05:43AM
  • It's the thought that counts by Simunye (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @05:47AM
  • Things were better this year... by Randy Rathbun (Score:2) Sunday December 26 1999, @06:35AM
  • ABCNEWS Report by _Eros_ (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @07:02AM
  • Not so successful - stay away from pricesnap.com! by Andy Dodd (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @07:08AM
  • Re:No trouble for me either by cHALiTO (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @07:32AM
  • Re:yup agreed...very silly... by elthia (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @09:11AM
  • Re:of course they did by elthia (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @09:14AM
  • Re:I had great experiences - NOT! by Jacek (Score:2) Sunday December 26 1999, @10:36AM
  • Oreilly by Daevcollie (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @10:40AM
  • NetMarket.com let me down. . . by RobertPearse (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @12:19PM
  • Re:of course they did by boojum_uc (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @01:22PM
  • Re:of course they did by boojum_uc (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @01:23PM
  • Re:I was affected... by fluxrad (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @01:42PM
  • I almost received everything... by SaDan (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @02:42PM
  • Got all mine by cybersquid (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @03:26PM
  • Re:"Untried business model" - not by winterstorm (Score:2) Sunday December 26 1999, @04:10PM
  • Speaking of BarnesandNoble.com... by Meletti (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @06:41PM
  • me + amazon == ouch (1998) by small_dick (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @08:50PM
  • Re:All gifts present and accounted for by seanthemurph (Score:1) Sunday December 26 1999, @08:55PM
  • Rain Check by bjb (Score:1) Monday December 27 1999, @02:39AM
  • ThinkGeek - Gotta Love 'em. by Zeitgeist (Score:1) Monday December 27 1999, @07:45AM
  • Re:Amazon worked just fine. by JackiePatti (Score:1) Wednesday December 29 1999, @09:26AM
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