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WinOS+QEMU+Knoppix 3.8 = WinKnoppix!

Posted by timothy on Tue Mar 15, 2005 09:17 PM
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chronicon writes "As reported earlier Knoppix 3.8 was presented and CD's distributed at CeBIT recently. For those of us who were not able to attend, some kind folks have posted a torrent for all to enjoy. Now, here's where it really gets interesting. Using QEMU (processor emulator) chris-uk has posted a modified version of Knoppix 3.8 that will run under Windows if auto-played, or if you wish, you can boot the CD for normal Knoppix. You can find the torrent here."
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  • Yes, but... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:19PM (#11949709)
    Can it run WINE?

  • So in otherwords. . . (Score:2, Interesting)

    by episodic (791532) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:19PM (#11949712)
    (http://www.naturalstate.us/ | Last Journal: Monday March 21 2005, @11:27PM)
    Knoppix continues to be all that and a bag of chips :)

  • Umm (Score:5, Funny)

    by Kethinov (636034) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:23PM (#11949735)
    (http://eric.halo43.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 16, @12:54AM)
    from the oh-klaus-you-hypnotize-me dept.
    timothy, I think you need a vacation. ;)
    • Re:Umm by uhlume (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @04:05PM
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  • now all they need to do.... (Score:5, Funny)

    by oliverthered (187439) <oliverthered@hotm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:24PM (#11949755)
    Is import all the settings across from windows and you can tell you granny it's the latest version of the internet and your away.

  • WinKnoppix! (Score:5, Funny)

    by FunWithHeadlines (644929) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:24PM (#11949756)
    (http://www.funwithheadlines.net/)
    Gesundheit.

  • hope for good performance (Score:4, Insightful)

    by virtualone (768392) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:25PM (#11949762)
    i never tried out qemu, but i suspect it to be substantially slower than a native knoppix boot.
    on top of qemu comes the fact, that the whole system runs from a cd, which by itself has bad seek times.

    i hope that people won't get false implessions, because they will get that 'linux runs slower than windows' feeling.
    • Re:hope for good performance by Short Circuit (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:39PM

    • Re:hope for good performance (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anne Honime (828246) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:39PM (#11949876)
      Qemu is damn fast, in my experience ; I wouldn't dare quantify it, but running win 98 under qemu on a 900 Mhz Athlon is perfectly OK, and it is impressive, quality-wise. Moreover, if host and target cpu are identical, there's a fast version of qemu to avoid unecessary emulations - didn't try that one, though, because it segfaulted on my FC2, and I was happy enough with the regular emulator so I didn't bother to investigate the issue any further (I did the build from CVS, so I expected glitches).
      [ Parent ]
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  • Captain she can't take anymore (Score:1, Interesting)

    by ejaw5 (570071) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:26PM (#11949775)
    Quick! Someone boot the server with a Knoppix CD!

  • Login? Why?-is it illegal? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:33PM (#11949833)
    I understand people are supposed to login for getting torrents of illegal stuff. Why are we supposed to login for getting a legal torrent?

  • oh mercy.... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:34PM (#11949837)
    You want to put a perfectly good running OS on a shiddy Windows base why?

  • Time to try Linux (again) (Score:2, Interesting)

    by fohat (168135) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:36PM (#11949851)
    (http://fohat.wordpress.com/)
    I've recently been looking into running Linux on my primary desktop to record music with. I could never get the Knoppix live CD to run correctly on my Gateway X700 system. I'll have to try this version and see if I can get anything to work.

    Linux has been a frustration of mine for the past 4 years. I know a smattering of Unix commands and even armed with that I still can't ever seem to get a program downloaded and working like I can with windows. I'm looking forward to trying it again before I make the move to DeMudi.

  • beowulf (Score:1, Redundant)

    by xmp_phrack (795665) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:39PM (#11949880)
    what about a Beowulf cluster of these?
    • Re:beowulf by vonsneerderhooten (Score:2) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:07PM
      • Re:beowulf by chrislees (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:13PM
        • Re:beowulf by Minna Kirai (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:48PM
          • Re:beowulf by ScytheBlade1 (Score:1) Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:24AM
        • Re:beowulf by Dizzle (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @08:34AM
      • Re:beowulf by taylortbb (Score:2) Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:18PM
      • Re:beowulf by chrislees (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:39PM
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  • what about coLinux? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:42PM (#11949907)
    From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux? I've been using coLinux to give me Linux under Windows for about a year now, and there is a lot to be said for native execution speed. You also get networking, and recently easy access of the native Windows filesystems without employing samba-type file sharing.

    Of course, it's difficult to deny the power of running a gameboy emulator on a GBA emulator on a Linux emulator on a Windows emulator on your Mac...

    • Re:what about coLinux? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by cduffy (652) <charles+slashdotNO@SPAMdyfis.net> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:51PM (#11949977)
      From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux?

      Sure, even when you restrict it to the presently relevant set of cases (x86/Linux inside x86/Win32): coLinux has no (non-experimental) framebuffer support; the experimental version that does exist has its performance measured in seconds per frame. The only way to run X is by having an X server on your Windows box, and you can't run Qt/E or GtkFB or such at all. If you want to do embedded systems development, this can be a substantial issue.

      If you don't restrict yourself to that subset of cases, then QEMU wins on account of having support for far more than just a custom build of the Linux kernel. (Want to play with FreeDOS? Test your new build of of GRUB? Run through the SLES9 installer? The first two of these simply aren't possible in coLinux, and the 3rd one requires a lot of work to make it happen).

      Also, COFS is so experimental/unstable I'm not sure I'd claim it as a feature yet.
      [ Parent ]
    • Here is coLinux+KNOPPIX by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Wednesday March 16 2005, @03:29AM
    • coLinux needs admin rights by jago25_98 (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @06:51AM

  • OP has a torrent (Score:5, Insightful)

    by grendel_x86 (659437) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:46PM (#11949943)
    (http://www.perpetuallypissed.com/)
    Holy crap!!! the Poster actually linked a .torrent, maybe all the complaining actually got somewhere.

    Now only if others would follow.

  • VMWare (Score:4, Funny)

    by F1_Fan (255672) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:46PM (#11949945)
    I like booting Knoppix in VMWare! Same concept.
    • Re:VMWare by Oriumpor (Score:3) Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:50AM
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  • Mirrors (Score:2, Informative)

    by Shachaf (781326) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:52PM (#11949992)
    Here's the Coral Cache [nyud.net] and the Mirrordot Mirror [mirrordot.org].

  • Deutsch edition? (Score:1)

    by cvdwl (642180) <cvdwl someplace around y a h oo> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:59PM (#11950030)
    Anyone know if the torrent is the German version KNOPPIX? Been holding out on trying remastering and USB install until this came out, but my high-school german is fairly rusty.

  • news? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:00PM (#11950036)
    how is this news? some guy put in qemu to a distro and this makes it to slashdot?
    I got news damnsmall linux has been doing this for sometime now in an "embeded" download to test out the distribution in windows. Running linux inside of windows at 1/10 normal speed isn't gonna make people switch over to linux any faster....
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  • What about CoLinux? (Score:5, Informative)

    by ZehFernando (848954) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:01PM (#11950040)
    (http://www.zeh.com.br/)
    CoLinux is also a very handy package for running linux on windows. It installs linux on a single file on your HD, then runs linux on it, and you can access it throught VNC. So you can have windows and linux sharing the same machine and HD, running at the same time, on different windows. Pretty handy.

    http://www.colinux.org [colinux.org]

    You can use it to run linux from some other partition too. It comes with a version of debian built it, but there are other packages for other distros.

    You can also try topologilinux.

    http://wwwtopologilinux.com [wwwtopologilinux.com]

    It's a bundled installation of coLinux and slackware with all bells and whistles.

  • Don't like it? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by neypo (860979) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:04PM (#11950064)
    (http://obscurethoughts.net/)
    Don't use it.

    This CD wasen't setup just to see how many people he could piss off.

    This in my opinion will be great to friends who still are incapable of going to the BIOS and changing it to boot from the CD-ROM.

  • Torrent... (Score:2)

    by CODiNE (27417) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:06PM (#11950079)
    (http://slashdot.org/)
    Currently 9 seeds and 542 peers, this is a good test of torrent scalability. Even if it takes a while to ramp up, this would kill just about any server on the net, kind of amazing how any of this works at all. :-)

    • Re:Torrent... by imsabbel (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:46AM
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  • without the need to reboot. Run them side by side and compare the features.

    It is, after all, emulation, so don't expect to break speed records with it. Also that IP connection limitation in XP won't be broken by running KNOPPIX in an emulator.

    Now KNOPPIX can join the ranks of MacOS 8.1 (BasiliskII), AmigaOS 3.1 (Amiga Forever), as yet another OS emulated under Windows.

    The advantage I see for this is that web developers will finally be able to check how their web pages look under different browsers and operating systems without having to reboot Windows each time they want to look how it looks under Linux.

    The next step is to make KNOPPIX run AntiVirus, AntiSpyware, AntiAdware, and AntiTrojan removal programs and make any FAT32, FAT16, or NTFS partition as read/write so the Malware can be removed. Yet what is the point when you can run the KNOPPIX HD Install script and get rid of Windows and all of its flaws that allow Malware to be installed in the first place.

    P.S. I am moving to KANOTIX now, it seems to be a bit better than KNOPPIX.

  • Are they insane? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Guspaz (556486) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:16PM (#11950137)
    (http://novasearch.net/)
    QEMU is an EMULATOR. They want to demo linux to windows users running under a full blown emulator? I can see it now. "This lunix thing looks nice, but it's just so SLOW!".

    They're going to end up convincing dumb windows users that Linux is slow as hell!

    Before you say anything, keep in mind that they are running QEMU on windows, and the QEMU virtualizer is closed-source and linux only. So they can ONLY do full emulation.

    • Re:Are they insane? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jhoger (519683) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:36PM (#11950253)
      (http://devwrights.com/blog)
      a) QEMU is all open source. A small part recently added is non-free but still open-source.
      b) QEMU is the fastest (99%) Free emulator, and QEMU is getting faster all the time. There is a strong emphasis on speed by Fabrice
      c) Yes Knoppix will run slower under emulation than natively, and Knoppix doesn't run as fast as a native Linux install. But there are obvious speedups laying around. This looks like a first cut by some developer.

      But I think there is one obvious case where this can be useful, in the particular situation where a machine is locked down so that you can't boot install CDs without a password, and the user does not have admin priveleges. Also, it may be useful for users who aren't willing to boot a Linux CD since they are afraid that it will wipe something out.

      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Are they insane? by Minna Kirai (Score:3) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:39PM
    • Re:Are they insane? by Guspaz (Score:2) Thursday March 17 2005, @01:27AM
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  • www.knoppix.net (Score:2, Interesting)

    by deutschemonte (764566) <lane.montgomery@Nospam.gmail.com> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:20PM (#11950154)
    (http://www.madebylanemedia.com/)
    knoppix.net is really slow and the forum is /.'ed, people must be storming that site with this news out.

    Is this this the first time a site has been /.'ed but not posted on slashdot? I mean, no direct link, everyone just goes there themselves.

    I christen it, the slashdot halo effect.

  • Knoppix on Windows (Score:5, Interesting)

    by jhoger (519683) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:22PM (#11950168)
    (http://devwrights.com/blog)
    Following the QEMU list, this was done some time back by a Japanese developer Kuniyasu Suzaki I believe.

    Discussions ensued about how to make it faster... some patches are available to directly mount the compressed Knoppix volume so that portion doesn't need to be emulated. Also, the SaveVM feature was improved, so rather than boot knoppix, just keep a compressed VM ram image on the Knoppix CD. That makes it boot instantaneously.

    QEMU is the fastest thing going as far as Free emulators, given more improvements on the virtualization side, I think this will be *the* way to run Knoppix for Windows users that just want to try it out. The speed will come in time.

    Some of us pushed for features like User Mode Networking in QEMU just for this purpose. Windows users in larger corporations often do not have administrator level rights, so they can't install any special drivers. So Knoppix under QEMU can get right to the net on any Windows box that will run a .EXE from CD.

    -- John.

  • Getting close... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by smug_lisp_weenie (824771) * <cbarski.4503440@bloglines.com> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:40PM (#11950275)
    (http://www.lisperati.com/)
    Now all they need to do is add the following ability to make it perfect:

    1. Allow people to apt-get packages while the CD is running. Then...
    2. Import user files from Win into a Knoppix-side directory. Finally...
    3. (this is the important one) Press a button and presto! The system builds an ISO of original winknoppix+packages+userfiles that is a no-fuss super-customized knoppix CD!

    If they could make that... then a seamless transition to Linux goodness would finally be within reach for everyone!

  • Very handy to have. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Chanc_Gorkon (94133) <gorkon @ g m a i l.com> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:52PM (#11950340)
    I have used DSL (Damn Small Linux) before and been able to use it on some users machine to log in to the server quickly with my SSH keys all setup on the key. When I am done, I kill it. I love this because I can use it on any machine I have and be able to test scripts and such on my machine without risking any of the stuff on the local machine. Will it run slow? Yeah, but if you have a ton of RAM and speedy processor(preferably 1 GHz or faster) it should run just fine.

  • sounds useful, actually (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:00PM (#11950383)
    My college has no dedicated linux computers, but has spent an obscene amount of money on Dells with WinXP. This makes the linux class I'm in a little more annoying than it needs to be. The best part is that there's a problem with the Dell's bios, so that every version of linux I've tried on them runs at 640x480 (no amount of screwing with xf86 settings helped). With the Knoppix on Windows, there's a chance I'll be able to run linux there at a reasonable resolution.

    Also could useful if you need to access the internet in linux, but have a wireless or winmodem card not supported in linux. Or at least I hope that's the case.

  • non-torrent? (Score:2)

    by zardie (111478) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:14PM (#11950449)
    (http://zardoz.hotblack.net/)
    My workplace won't let me download torrents. We have an anal Network Access Control Policy that not only blocks the ports that bittorrent requires (on a globally routable subnet) but we have snort configured to detect any use of bittorrent. Peer-to-peer applications (all) are banned under our IT access policy and if it's detected, we get our network port disabled.

    Is there an FTP or non-P2P method of which I can grab this file?

  • Does it work? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:24PM (#11950493)
    I just tested the disk on two different systems running a fully patched XP SP2, I get an error 3 lines in to the boot up sequence and it craps out.
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  • Somebody please explain... (Score:1)

    by Begemot (38841) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:32PM (#11950533)
    While my QA dept. would be happy to have Linux off hand w/o ghosting, I still don't get the reason for doing it.

    1. Resources: I gain nothing from running two rather heavy op. systems simultaneously.
    2. Licensing: I still need a license for Windows.
    3. Reliability: When something fails where should I seek for the reason: My software, Windows, Linux, Emulator or just the exclusive combination of all above?

    What the hell is it good for?

  • don't run it from cd (Score:1)

    by quixos (780763) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:42PM (#11950582)
    mounting it with daemon tools or something should speed it up a bit. that's my plan.
  • ...that Cygwin's got a replacement? One that's an actual distribution of Linux?

  • From the QEMU FAQ (Score:1)

    by subStance (618153) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:54PM (#11950649)
    (http://winstone.sourceforge.net/)
    Is QEMU ported to Mach OS X ?

    Hmmm ... are they making a subtle point here about the Darwin kernel's origin ?

  • Fine Example (Score:1)

    by OneArmedMan (606657) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:52AM (#11950926)
    This is a fine example of the good uses for Bit Torrent and similar technology.

    As I am downloading this file i see the network speed at over 25Mbytes a second

  • We Are In This Together (Score:2)

    by f0rt0r (636600) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:30AM (#11951095)
    Knoppix to Windows - Now you can watch me up close, and see how stable I am. I can stay up and running for months.

    Windows to Knoppix: Um, I am carrying you now. I fall, you fall. And my uptime is approaching 24 hours...

    Knoppix( aside ) - And I wonder who thought this matchup was a good idea...

  • bugs.... (Score:2)

    by Chanc_Gorkon (94133) <gorkon @ g m a i l.com> on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:56AM (#11951171)
    Do they have a Bugzilla for this? I was trying to get this going under Windowsand was unable to. I alsonoticed the batch file that comes with this tries to start this with 1 GB of ram. If my machine has 1 GB of ram and I boot Windows and try to get this to run and it asks for 1 GB, I am going to have...issues. :D I have tried 2 separate machines and was unsuccessful to get this to boot in QEMU on windows. DSL works fine. Better then fine. It's worked on almost every PC I tried it on including the same laptop. I would love to give this a try but damned if I can figure out what I need to do to get it running. I'll stick to a modified DSL for my booting Linux in Windows deal. Oh....booting off of the CD did work fine.
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  • everyone overestimate average windows users (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Bitter and Cynical (868116) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:56AM (#11951173)
    Maybe I just know a lot of stupid people but if you run linux under windows, your average user won't understand that linux actually replaces windows. A lot of people just assume to see the little magic start button when they power up. Booting directly into linux helps simple folk (in regards to their technological prowess) realize that windows isn't magically built into the hardware and doesn't need to boot for the computer to run.

  • A quicker way to run QEMU+and your iso on Win (Score:3, Interesting)

    by marko123 (131635) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @02:09AM (#11951195)
    (http://www.pcblues.com/)
    I did this on XP:
    Downloaded and ran win version of qemu
    Create an image file bigger than your iso using qemu
    Point to your ISO
    Run! (Knoppix took about 8 mins on old PIII laptop)
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  • Portable Virtual Privacy Machine (Score:5, Informative)

    by millette (56354) <millette@NosPaM.waglo.com> on Wednesday March 16 2005, @02:09AM (#11951197)
    (http://rym.waglo.com/ | Last Journal: Monday May 10 2004, @12:11PM)
    Here's another option, designed for a USB key. It runs Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. all in a virtual linux machine. The release is planned to work on GNU/Linux, ms windows and mac os x, although the current release candidate doesn't work on the mac. It also uses qemu, of course. More info: Portable Virtual Privacy Machine [metropipe.net].

  • My Review (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 16 2005, @02:16AM (#11951216)
    On a p4 system with a gig of ram, the performance is pretty lacking. It might be a better idea to use one of those drive image programs rather then the actual cd. Anyway, my thanks for those souls seeding their hearts out on that torrent.

  • Easy to avoid (Score:1)

    by sulli (195030) * on Wednesday March 16 2005, @02:37AM (#11951273)
    (Last Journal: Monday October 22, @04:01PM)
    Just hold down the Shift key when inserting the CD.

  • Change Notes? (Score:2)

    by DarkZero (516460) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @03:55AM (#11951498)
    Knoppix 3.7 couldn't detect my computer's onboard sound, so I couldn't really play around with it for most of the things that I usually do with my PC. Are there any changes or anything that could make this worth downloading and installing, either in Knoppix or in Linux (I believe 3.8 has a newer kernel than 3.7?), or is there possibly anything more I could do with Knoppix 3.7 to get it to work? I tried configuring the sound drivers, but the automatic configuration failed every time and I wasn't willing to check each individual driver to see what might hit the spot.

  • no thanks (Score:1)

    by raver31 (722341) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @04:21AM (#11951563)
    (http://donley.tk/)
    I will stick with Linux even if microsoft goes completely insane and releases the source code for windows under the gpl and someone releases a "FREE" version. I don't want it. I like my pc to RUN RUN RUN, none of that crashing/virus/spyware shit on my pc please, let me just get on with some work, oh and games ! thank you... mandrake fan

  • Use it with VMWare (Score:2)

    by gosand (234100) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @09:30AM (#11952858)
    (http://knoppixquake.webhop.net/)
    What if I used VMware on Windows to boot up a virtual machine running Linux emulating Windows? Maybe I would finally have a secure Windows environment.
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  • Torrent slashdotted? (Score:1)

    by SenorMooCow (541070) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @10:26AM (#11953305)
    (http://mooserve.myftp.org:89/)
    Is it just me or is the torrent file completely slashdotted? Both on the site from the article and on linuxtracker.org it just times out. Anybody have a mirror to the .torrent?

  • Bah humbug (Score:1)

    by akepa (213342) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @10:46AM (#11953510)
    It's intolerably slow running under Windows on my system (AMD 64 3000, 1GB RAM).

  • WinOS? (Score:1)

    by Caspian (99221) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @10:34PM (#11961713)
    What is this "WinOS" thing?

    Seriously, people. Stop making up names for things. Windows is called Windows, not "WinOS". Linux-based systems are Linux-based systems (or "Linux systems" if you must, or "GNU/Linux-based systems" to be more politically correct), but they are not "Linux OS". Apple's current operating system is "Mac OS X"; it is not "Apple Max OS", "MaxOS", "Max Unix OS" or "Macintosh OS".

    Nobody goes around referring to a Ford Explorer as the "Explore Ford" or the "Explorer Forder" or anything else like that. Why, then, do people (even geeks) consistently mess up the names of operating systems!?

  • KnoDoze (Score:1)

    by Parley (869148) on Saturday March 19 2005, @01:34PM (#11985573)
    Wouldn't KnowDoze be a better name?

  • Re:Great, But... (Score:2, Informative)

    by TelJanin (784836) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:23PM (#11949739)
    You can save Knoppix settings to a drive. Presumably the people have done this (couldn't RTFA, site is slashdotted)
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:Great, But... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by episodic (791532) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:24PM (#11949749)
    (http://www.naturalstate.us/ | Last Journal: Monday March 21 2005, @11:27PM)
    What is the point? What is the point of art? What is the point of music? What is the point of climbing everest? What is the point of spinners? I digress. . . The point is well - hey it is cool! ( I think) :)
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:Great, But... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LiquidCoooled (634315) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:25PM (#11949769)
    Because you can then let people try before they buy without even needing to reboot.

    It just removes one more hurdle. People aren't going to wipe out their system just because the local geek said "its ready for the desktop".

    People need some proof that it really is better.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Great, But... by kryogen1x (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:32PM
      • Re:Great, But... by jacksonyee (Score:3) Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:39PM

        • Re:Great, But... (Score:5, Funny)

          by WarmBoota (675361) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:52PM (#11949984)
          (http://home.comcast.net/~dshookowsky)
          [quote]but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them[/quote]

          Oh the horror of rebooting a windows machine!!! I'd say that it's akin to the terror of sleep, but sleep only comes once a day

          [ Parent ]

        • Re:Great, But... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Jugalator (259273) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:06PM (#11950078)
          (Last Journal: Monday February 13 2006, @07:11PM)
          but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.

          Hmm, I think you're exaggerating a bit... Windows users should (and I'm not even joking) be quite used to booting and rebooting their systems. Even my mom would understand the implications of restarting the computer.
          [ Parent ]
        • Re:Great, But... by Gherald (Score:2) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:13PM

        • Re:Great, But... (Score:4, Insightful)

          by Calroth (310516) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:39AM (#11951122)
          (http://home.alphalin...ex.html?slashdot.org)
          ...but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.

          OK, people are asking why this is scary. Here's why:

          You reboot, and suddenly, all this small text in bright colours is crawling across your screen (at least, that's what Knoppix did, the last time I tried it). Your Windows environment is gone. You don't know if it's coming back, or even if it's reformatting your hard drive, that's what it's supposed to look like, right?

          Yeah, I know, this crap is irrational. But guess what, if the world was purely rational, Microsoft would have gone out of business ages ago...

          Having Knoppix run on the Windows desktop is reassuring. It lets you know that Windows is still there and you can return there at any time, and since all your icons are still on your desktop, your files must therefore be safe. Yeah, more irrational fears, sorry, but that's how many people think.
          [ Parent ]
      • Re:Great, But... by LiquidCoooled (Score:2) Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:40PM
    • Re:Great, But... by timeOday (Score:2) Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:41PM
    • Re:Great, But... by kdark1701 (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:21PM
    • Re:Great, But... by SphericalCrusher (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:49AM
    • Re:Great, But... by Spy der Mann (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @03:51AM

  • Re:I have that, too (Score:2, Insightful)

    by datafr0g (831498) <datafrog.gmail@com> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:36PM (#11949854)
    (http://datafrog.org/)
    free, is it?
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:WTF? (Score:1)

    by MasterB(G)ates (718264) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:39PM (#11949881)
    It is all about migration paths from windows to linux. Linux is easier to demonstrate to bosses/CTOs this way rather than rebooting.
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:WTF? (Score:1)

    by oliverthered (187439) <oliverthered@hotm[ ].com ['ail' in gap]> on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:41PM (#11949899)
    If your clever you should be able to page out windows, and boot the linux kernel warm.

    I think that's more or less what VMWare does.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:WTF? by pg110404 (Score:1) Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:07PM
      • Re:WTF? by oliverthered (Score:1) Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:51AM

  • Virtualization (Score:1)

    by chronicon (625367) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @09:44PM (#11949926)
    (http://explicate.blogspot.com/)
    Because, virtulization is the wave and this is an easy first step for the home user (and others) to get a taste.

    Hence the hype surrounding Novell shipping Xen [slashdot.org] in the next version of SuSE...

    [ Parent ]

  • slowness /w BT ~= router lack of configuration (Score:3, Informative)

    by Phil Urich (841393) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:46PM (#11950304)
    (Last Journal: Thursday November 03 2005, @08:42PM)
    That's . . . very, very odd. I've often been able to max out my bandwidth with torrents (though not nowadays, considering that I'm at the university residence . . . faster even than my prior aDSL, true, but if I let it go, I'd break my weekly download/upload limits damn quickly!). There are many things that could be going wrong. One of the problems often encountered, which is the most likely cause since I've seen similar same symptoms on many a computer, is your router. Part of the reason I've never had to care is 'cause I've eskewed routers; I hate them, I reallly do. But if you're using one, and getting crappy speeds using BitTorrent, this may very well be it, so just read up on the solution here [dessent.net]. Hope that works for ya.
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:WTF? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by jhoger (519683) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @10:50PM (#11950327)
    (http://devwrights.com/blog)
    Stability of Linux is only a small part of the story. But you're not right anyway. An emulator is a nice cozy environment for an OS. It should be more stable there than running natively.

    The bigger advantage for users is the number of applications freely available for Linux.

    What comes with a new Windows machine? Usually a lot of "lite" versions of various payware. Word processor, maybe. Eventually the system gets hosed and even those may be lost.

    I don't think most users have any idea what it's like to think "I wish I had a program that did ____" and then apt-cache search'ing for it 3 or 4 programs that do it ready to be downloaded...

    And Knoppix has a lot of stuff just available in the menus right off the bat. Just give the users the caveat that, yeah, this isn't going to be real fast, but it will give you an idea of what is available.
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:Drivers? (Score:1)

    by Volvogga (867092) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:51PM (#11950628)
    Ok, I return to defend my honor (what little there is). I was not attempting a troll here. I was just wondering if I could pop in the disk on my shitty win partition and get hardware accel. I have an Ati Rage Pro on a computer I got for free. Before anyone suggests buying a new card, I might as well just buy a new computer, and I don' have the cash right now. Going back to the hardware acceleration, I don't have the time to figure it out, and would like to try tux racer and a few of the others to see if its even worth the time to do the setup on FC3. Damn! And, lastly, I agree. Once Linux is setup, its stable as all hell. Done, out, quit your bitchn'.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Drivers? by Al Dimond (Score:1) Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:00AM
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  • Re:Great, But... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MP3Chuck (652277) on Tuesday March 15 2005, @11:53PM (#11950644)
    (http://www.tempusband.com/ | Last Journal: Friday August 29 2003, @07:54PM)
    Well, if I want to test my website Linux browsers (Konqueror comes to mind), this would be a lot nicer than rebooting. Or having another box around. Especially if all I need to do is test a browser.

    But even above and beyond that, it's nice to know that I have access to a Linux environment without having to do anything but pop in a CD.
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:Drivers? (Score:1)

    by Luke-Jr (574047) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:09AM (#11950743)
    (http://utopios.org/)
    Mod *this* (semi-)troll down, too. ATi cards are the best supported for Linux in my experience. Their cards will work and solong as you have a 9200 or older, you can get 3D acceleration fine. Some newer cards even have experimental 3D accel support.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Drivers? by Doctor Crumb (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @12:53AM
    • Re:Drivers? by flithm (Score:2) Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:18AM

  • Re:How are the peripherals managed? (Score:1)

    by Al Dimond (792444) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:13AM (#11951016)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday April 12 2005, @01:04AM)
    It would require a correct wireless card configuration in Windows. As it stands, QEMU emulates a network card and a network gateway...

    http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.htm l# SEC19
    [ Parent ]

  • Re:Woohoo a torrent! (Score:2)

    by 1000StonedMonkeys (593519) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:30AM (#11951094)
    It's a pretty consistent 300-400K/s here. Try tweaking your router settings like the above poster suggests.
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  • My aunt and KNOPPIX (Score:2)

    by turgid (580780) on Wednesday March 16 2005, @01:53AM (#11951161)
    (Last Journal: Tuesday July 31, @03:01PM)
    My aunt is doing a computing course at university. While she was at college, before uni, she'd never seen Linux, so I sent her a KNOPPIX CD.

    She refused to run it. She thouth "KNOPPIX" meant "no pics" as in "no graphics."

    I explained what it was but she still refused to try it, because all the r4d d00dz on her course told her that Linux was an abomination, unclean, and not to be let near a Windows PC. Windows was the best OS in the world, and that dodgy Linux thing might mess up your PC.

    Other attempts at Linux advocacy have also failed. I don't bother now.

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