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Bon Jovi Tries New Approach To Fight Piracy 516

Dudio writes "80s-era rock band Bon Jovi is taking a novel approach to fighting piracy of their upcoming album, Bounce. Retail CDs will be distributed with a unique serial number with which the purchaser can register in order to receive such exclusives as prioritized concert ticket purchases and unreleased music. Finally, somebody in the entertainment industry is attempting to adapt to the changing market rather than rushing to protect an outdated business model." All Bon Jovi jokes aside, it is nice to see a fresh approach.
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Bon Jovi Tries New Approach To Fight Piracy

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  • Good Job! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Locke!Erasmus ( 588304 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:11PM (#4277002) Journal
    Locke!Erasmus feels that this is a prudent and wise course of action for Bon Jovi to take. I only hope that they will keep some records on whether they profit from this strategy, and how much they profit. Hopefully, if it works, we will see more labels/artists try new tactics such as this one instead of simply threatening to DOS people who are running a P2P application.
    • Both of Bon Jovi's fans should eat this up!
    • Re:Good Job! (Score:5, Interesting)

      by DESADE ( 104626 ) <slashdot@Nospam.bobwardrop.com> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:48PM (#4277341)
      Thank goodness!!! I proposed this idea to a digital music list almost two years ago hoping that things would evolve this way. The labels could marginalize piracy if they approached the problem intelligently.

      The Nature of Demand
      It seems to me one of the key problems facing the music industry in the
      digital age is the "commodity" approach to marketing music. Who was the
      genius that first determined that the real product is a piece of plastic?
      When I buy a CD, it's not because I simply want to be able to play the music
      at my leisure. At the core of every music purchase is a connection between
      the artist and the consumer. For some, it's an association of ideals. For
      others, it may be image, lust, identity, craft or a myriad of other
      possibilities. This is the real nature of demand in this business and it's
      being completely ignored under the current model.

      Pissing Off the Consumer
      This whole idea came to me as I was driving to work one day listening to
      "Celebrity Skin." I'm on my third copy now and it irks my hide a little each
      time I buy a CD that I have previously owned. Especially considering the
      fact that I know so little money is going to the artist.

      Why can't I just buy personal rights to the piece of work and pay a media
      fee for whatever form of media I choose as a playback device? If I lose the
      CD, why can't I just pay a reasonable media fee to replace it? Why can't I
      be a patron of the artist rather than a consumer of plastic? The value of a
      CD is in the beauty of the work, not in its physical manifestation.

      In a Perfect World
      I'd pay $25 bucks for a CD. It would come with a serial number. I'd go to a
      Web site managed by the artist or their representatives and register. Once
      registered, I'd be able to download the CD in MP3 format. Maybe I'd get
      access to a couple of bonus tracks as well. Maybe I'd like a second copy of
      the CD or a tape for my car. I'd be able to buy a second copy for 5-7 bucks.
      Call it a media fee.

      A Different Approach
      Now here's the real power of this model. Now that I've registered, the
      artist can send me an email telling me about what's going on in their
      creative life every now and then. Maybe I'd be able to get an early copy of
      the next album in MP3 format for pre-ordering. Maybe the artist could send
      me a link to some live tracks from concerts or some things they have been
      playing around with in the studio between major releases. Maybe they could
      point me to a couple of older albums I might be interested in. Maybe once I
      have purchased the rights to three albums I would achieve "distinguished
      patron" status that allows me special access to other material. That's
      value. Now I feel like I have a relationship with the artist. Now I feel
      like a patron who helps support the artist so they can spend their time
      working on their art. Now the artist has a direct way to build a
      relationship with me the fan. Foster that relationship and the artist is
      meeting the real demand of a music consumer.

      Maybe when the artist comes to town, they can put on a special show at a
      small venue for "distinguished patrons." I think a show like this would be
      good for the artist and the patron. The artist would know they are
      performing for a select group that appreciates their craft and has shown it
      by supporting them. The patron gets to see his or her favorite artist up
      close and personal. The patron would be willing to pay a higher price as
      well. The next day, maybe a special commerative t-shirt would be available
      at the web site when the patron logs in.

      Also, think about how valuable the database would be.

      Watch the Money Roll In
      So under this scenario, I'd probably spend at least a couple hundred bucks
      with an artist. Under the current model, I might have shelled out $100 for a
      CD and a couple of concert tickets. Why allow labels to take so much money
      for "managing" the artist, when what they really should be doing is managing
      the relationship with between the artist and the patron? The marketing
      potential under this model is a no brainer. Some might abuse it, some might
      manage it well. At the end of the day, it's the relationship that counts.
      Piss off your registered fan base with a load of spam and chances are the
      fan won't cough up any more dough. Provide a real value to registering and
      watch the money roll in. The better an artist manages the relationship, the
      more money they make. Make the management earn their keep for a change.

      This Kills the Napter Problem
      Piracy will never go away. Instead of trying to limit access to an artist's
      work, why not take a different approach... provide real value for paying for
      the work. Why would I spend hours trolling Napster for bad MP3's encoded at
      different bit rates and labeled with no common format when I can just buy
      the CD and have access to clean copies encoded at a high bit rate for my
      desktop machine and maybe another set encoded at a low bit rate for my car
      or portable player? Napster's cool, but face it, it's still a
      pain-in-the-ass. Today's average MP3 collection is a sloppy mess. Why would
      I pirate when buying the work and registering offers me real value? Sure
      some people will pirate. Face it folks, it's going to happen no matter what.
      The loss from piracy would be more than covered by the additional revenue.
      This would also go a long way to killing the demand for used CD's.

      Eviscerate The Damn Middlemen
      I'm offended that the record companies skim off such a disproportionate
      amount of income from the process compared to the value they inject into the
      transaction. They get away with it because they control the distribution
      channel. That control is dying and all the industry seems to want to do is
      come up with another way to protect it. Wake up! Fans are pissed off.
      Artists are pissed off. Everyone is sick and tired of paying twenty bucks
      for a CD and knowing that the artist only ends up with a buck or two. That's
      why everyone is sucking songs off of Napster. We're all tired of feeding
      your machine. Let go and start fresh. Didn't most people in the business get
      into management or promotion or whatever because they loved music? Wouldn't
      it be nice to get back to that rather than working in a system that is
      basically a leech feeding upon both artist and consumer?

      Someday Soon
      An new act is going to make it big direct. No label. No management. No
      distribution deal. Self-financed. Self-promoted. Self-Published. Another
      possibility is a major act going direct successfully. The day is coming soon
      and when it happens, a lot of people in this business are going to face a
      rude wake-up call. Why not make a deal now while you still have a chance?

    • Re:Good Job! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Disevidence ( 576586 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:49PM (#4277355) Homepage Journal
      Honest World -

      If it fails, they made shitty music which wasn't marketed well.

      If it succeeds, its due to better music and perhaps the added incentive of the aforementioned offer.

      Marketing world -

      If it fails, its due to blatant piracy

      If it succeeds, it didn't succeed enough. Piracy was still rampant.

  • by sys$manager ( 25156 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:11PM (#4277003)
    It must be piracy because everyone wants to buy new records from a rock band that is 15 years out of date.

    Or will they go down in a blaze of glory?
  • Well, it's good to see someone fighting it in a novel way, but will it make much difference?

    The guy downloading it for free probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, much less go to a concert.

    Some people do illegal things just because they can.

    Side note: That flag in my back pocket thing Sambora did was in bad taste.
    • Sure, some people are just criminals at heart, but haven't the surveys been showing that the biggest "pirates" are also the biggest "fans"? If this is true, then I'd expect that the people most likely to DL the album for free would be the same people who'd want extra band goodies and concerts. So suddenly Bon Jovi is rewarding their fans for liking them (and voting with their wallets), while protecting their (debatable) revenue stream, and wisely ignoring the minority of haters (who don't really make up much of their listener-base anyway, and won't make much of a difference one way or the other).
    • Re:Amen to that (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Jucius Maximus ( 229128 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:32PM (#4277202) Journal
      "The guy downloading it for free probably wouldn't buy it in the first place, much less go to a concert."

      Of course. But I think a better point is that someone in the industry is realising that the real money maker will NOT be CDs in the coming years. They are starting to cultivate the market for concerts instead. This priority ticket purchasing with CDs would probably cause people who would never have considered going to concerts to buy concert tickets.

      And live concerts, I do believe, will be the real money makers in the future as opposed to CD sales.

      THANK YOU Bon Jovi et al for rewarding purchases of the CD with real perks, as opposed to assuming the purchase is a copyright infringement waiting to happen.

      • Concerts have always been the real money maker for those who deserve the money...

        Tim
    • again. not true.
      I have downloaded music, then gone and bought the CD.
      I have also downloaded music, then dleted it because I didn't enjoy it.

      ON an unrelated note, can somebody please tell me who I need to contact so that /. will fix there American flag icon?
  • by blazin ( 119416 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:12PM (#4277012) Homepage Journal
    It sounds like he's not really trying to combat piracy, per se, but more encourage people to buy the CD for the perks and benefits that would come of it.

    Sounds like a great idea... Do something where people want to buy your CD more than trying to make it impossible for them to copy it.

    I hope it works for him.
    • by Neon Spiral Injector ( 21234 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:20PM (#4277103)
      Daft Punk put a credit card sized card inside their CD with a unique number were you could download MP3 singles of remixes and live versions of the song from a special website.
      • Daft Punk put a credit card sized card inside their CD with a unique number were you could download MP3 singles of remixes and live versions of the song from a special website.


        So the people who bought the CD could trade those as well?
        • Only with a bit of effort. It used a 'digital wallet' or something of the sort. Some Windows program in order to download them and open them with a special app.

          It was nicely done, but they tried to make the player too hip/unusable for my tastes.
    • Read the article (I thought of submitting this too!)
      This isn't JUST to combat piracy, but they are collecting more detailed marketing information, such that in the future it will be easier for sales to hit their target without "wasting" money on promo's that don't work; be they airplay at the wrong time, or video exposure on VH1...

      SO let me get thsi straight: I pay money, I sign up online, they get a WHOLE lot of personal data (I wonder if they ask for household income?), and I get a newsletter and maybe the chance to talk to the band and maybe a first crack at buying over-priced concert tickets at an arena where the pre-selected seats are all nose-bleeders?

      SIGN ME UP!

      • The reality is that even if it were as bad as you think it is, its more likely to work than the negative combat techniques.

        Enforcement through perks is always better than enforcement through military tactics. Rather, I should say it works more efficiently without as much controversy.

        It may not be perfect, but its a step in the right direction. If nothing else, it does cut down on the backlash. And lord knows, you get the RIAA and anyone else in a screaming match, you might as well be back in third grade. Nothing productive truly comes from backlash, aside from the obvious statement that people are pissed off. We already know that. So steps like this need to be made in order to find the most widely selected solution.

    • by dbirchall ( 191839 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @07:04PM (#4277957) Journal
      During the '90s, I was relatively involved with a band that never got quite as big as Bon Jovi did, but still sold millions of albums. (Those who know me know who the band is.)

      At the beginning of the decade, they were asking some amount for lifetime membership in their fanclub. I don't remember the amount, but it was between $15 and $35. Got you a bunch of stickers, a newsletter, etc.

      By the end of the decade, they were asking around $35 a year for a glossy magazine-style newsletter, preferential ticket sales, and backstage potential. (They were also selling 1/10th the albums.)

      Doing it this way makes a lot of sense to me. Instead of charging extra to join the fanclub, put those unique codes on everything, and let folks punch in codes for everything they buy. Bought the CD? Yeah, we can hook you up with good seats at a good price. Bought the last five CD's, plus posters, videos and t-shirts? Front row center, baby!

      Reward the folks who are dedicated to you, and all that stuff.

  • Bon Jovi??? (Score:3, Funny)

    by tsmit ( 222375 ) <tsmit50NO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:13PM (#4277025) Homepage

    Never heard of him.

  • by carambola5 ( 456983 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:13PM (#4277028) Homepage
    such exclusives as prioritized concert ticket purchases and unreleased music.

    Um, yeah. Unreleased until it's released to the paying customers, who then pass it off to the non-paying "customers." The prioritized ticket thing, on the other hand, actually makes sense.
    • Really, what type of music from Bon Jovi is unrealeased? I mean...really.

      I'd be all excited about an unreleased single from Pink Floyd...but, Bon Jovi?


      What, are they going to remix "Living on a Prayer"?

      And now, the previously unreleased version of "Living on a Prayer", with Busta Rhymes singing backup.

      Please.
    • ...and you could embed the unique serial number in any downloaded music via the then-in-vogue watermarking scheme. Since it's hard to do this with pressed CDs, this seems like the ideal way to snag leaked serial numbers...
  • Anyone that likes bon jon enough to care about priority concern ticket sales is going to buy his albums anyway.

    It's a step in the right direction, but doesn't seem like a very big one.

    Why not just make the cd cost $5 instead!?
  • huh? (Score:5, Funny)

    by DA_MAN_DA_MYTH ( 182037 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:14PM (#4277038) Homepage Journal
    What Bon Jovi jokes?

    Triumph the Insult Comic Dog: Bon Jovi you are filming a new vampire movie, yes?
    Bon Jovi: Yes I am...
    Triumph: At last a role that requires you to suck...
  • Back to the 70s (Score:5, Interesting)

    by cDarwin ( 161053 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:17PM (#4277065) Homepage
    I remember when I bought Dark Side of the Moon back in the '70s. It came with a really cool poster and a bunch of truly groovy stickers that you couldn't get anywhere else. It added a lot to the value of the album.


    Dark Side of the Moon was a top 40 record for five years running.

    • Dark side of the Moon was on Billboard top 100 for something like 20 years.

      I still get TCH flashbacks from hearing any song off that album. :-)

    • Not to mention the album had great artwork and an insert with more artwork and liner notes. Yes liner notes, something that most bands today know nothing about.
      Lyrics (of course more than 50% of the bands today don't write their own music or lyrics, so they couldn't add lyrics to their insert) and artwork and photos, etc... adorned almost every album from the early Beatles to the last Zeppelin album. Original artwork, reproduced works...

      It would be nice to get more than 12 songs on a shiny disc for $18.99.

      I suspect if bands began adding inserts, posters, registration numbers for concert tickets, anything really, people would be a little more motivated to "PURCHASE" albums, rather than downloading. However, there are still those people who (rightfully in my view) refuse to pay $18.99 for something that isn't worth more than $10. So, Napster-like services will remain extremely popular.
    • No way in hell that:

      a) "Dark Side of the Moon" would be published today.

      b) Pink Floyd would be signed by a major label today.

      I'd like an original "Wish You Were Here" with the nifty black cellophane cover.
    • I bought Kottonmouth Kings a few years back '98/99 maybe? It came w/a free t-shirt (You Got that Kottonmouth Feeling?) and a video.

      They weren't top 40 but it wasn't from piracy I am sure ;)
    • Dark Side of the Moon was a masterpiece album (regardless of taste in music, the craftsmanship of everything in that album was astounding). _That_ is the reason that it was on the charts for so long. In 1988, I bought it and listened for the first time, and it blew me away. I don't _like_ all of the music on it, and some of it took years to become relevant to me, but I'm in awe of the work.

      I can say that about _nothing_ today. What artist puts out masterfuly crafted albums of songs that explore the human condition? No, today music labels push music that fits a particular market and is bland enough within that market to keep everyone from thinking too much about who's feeding it to them.

      Just do yourself a favor and stop listening.

      Go back and buy some strange stuff from the 60s or 70s at a used music store. Find a seller on the net who can get you things from the music scenes in other countries (a friend of mine points out that 1960s south-american psych-pop is awesome stuff).

      The world is your musical oyster, grab the horseradish and let it slide! :-)
      • Re:Back to the 70s (Score:3, Insightful)

        by NewWazoo ( 2508 )
        I'm going to go out on a limb here, and ask if you've listened to any Tool lately. :)

        Every single one of Tool's albums (with the sole exception of Opiate - it's more of a "garage" album) is masterfully produced and explores some very deep topics - Jungian "breaking through" and connecting with the Freudian alter-ego in AEnima, and dealing with prison rape in Undertow. Much of what you've said applies directly to Tool's music - regardless of musical taste (it may be a little "heavy metal" for some) it's amazing work, all of it.

        While they're becoming more and more of a commercial success, Tool is still one of the best bands around. And they're coming to Tallahassee Nov. 7! w00t! (Sorry, I degress...) ...and remember, this is coming from someone who almost solely listens to pre-1980 music. :) I live off Zep, Sabbath, Tull, etc (along with the likes of James Taylor, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, and the Beatles). Give AEnima and Undertow a shot - you may be suprised.

        Brandon
    • Re:Back to the 70s (Score:3, Insightful)

      by NorthDude ( 560769 )
      Today's recipe for being a sucessfull group:

      - Include baby baby 10x in each song
      - Take the good ol' I love you and I want you back theme, stir a bit, remix...
      - Color your hair, put a lot of gel in there and shake well.
      - Travel almost undress, thus revealing your new 100% remolded boobs (or totally fake skin tan)
      - Move your back a lot
      - Find a kewl nick-name
      obligatory... - ??? - succeedddd!!!! /obligatory


      Now, why are people not buying albums anymore?!?
  • Aside (Score:5, Funny)

    by tunabomber ( 259585 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:17PM (#4277070) Homepage
    But...I already feel like NOT pirating Bon Jovi music.
  • I wonder if we will start seeing something like the hologram certificates that came with windows install CDs, or maybe even the new holographic CDs themselves.

    Eventually, one could just buy a site license for a particular artist's music, and receive upgrades for a nominal charge. Of course, if you buy a new CD player (or equivalent), you'll have to re-register.

    All kidding aside, this sounds like an interesting idea (whether BJ is first with or not) and I hope similar creative ideas become popular over the more draconian RIAA plans we've been hearing about.

  • This is exactly the stance I've been hoping the whole music industry takes. I'd love to buy a CD and show my support... except they need a new option when you register:

    I bought this CD for-

    [ ] the music
    [ ] the principle
    • by Xerithane ( 13482 ) <xerithane.nerdfarm@org> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:40PM (#4277279) Homepage Journal
      I bought this CD for-

      [ ] the music
      [ ] the principle


      Just remember, even if you do buy the Bon Jovi CD on principle, your friends will still lose respect for you.

      "I bought it for the principle!" just doesn't sound right.

      In other news, Kenny G announced his new piracy-defeating measures by releasing another CD. His plans entail marketing only to the over-80 market, who still call computers televisions. In a recent interview, he seemed very excited to demonstrate that piracy only affects good musicians. When asked about Bon Jovi, Kenny G said they were planning a duet in which would be titled, "Kenny G and Bon Jovi: A tribute to the corpses who used to listen to us" and marketed under the pretense of expected zero piracy.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:20PM (#4277100)
    Four Catholic mothers were having coffee together discussing how important their children are.
    The first one tells her friends, "My son is a priest. When he walks into room, everyone calls him 'Father.'"

    The second Catholic woman chirps, "Well, my son is a bishop. Whenever he walks into a room, people say 'Your Grace'."

    The third Catholic woman says smugly, "Well, not to put you down, but MY son is a Cardinal. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, 'Your Eminence'."

    The fourth Catholic woman sips her coffee in silence. The first three women give her this subtle Well . . . ?

    Mrs. B. replies, "My son is Jon Bon Jovi. Whenever he walks into a room, people say, "Oh my God. . ."
  • If I'm not mistaken, this could be the first time that people who invest in record companies actually get something in return. I mean, traditionally, one pays $16 on average for a piece of plastic that costs about $0.20 to make with some indentations that make a CD player emit a certain sound wave signal. Where does the money go? The artist is lucky to see 1%. And, above all, the consumer gets screwed over the most.

    In this instance, someone pays for the real goodies (as in, stuff you can actually fold in your wallet!), and basically gets an official CD as a complement. Sounds like a good new business model for years to come.
  • Been Done. (Score:5, Informative)

    by Dr Caleb ( 121505 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:20PM (#4277104) Homepage Journal
    The Tragically Hip [thehip.com] did a similar thing a few months back with "In Violet Light". (Mouse over the little 'Hip Club' card, bottom left side)

    If you're going to pay the $$$ for an album, you might as well get something bonus for it. An excellent album by the way. I never purchase an album that I don't like at least 4 songs from; and those are few and far between.

  • serialz (Score:4, Funny)

    by hpavc ( 129350 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:21PM (#4277109)
    i'll wait for another artist before i bother making a keygen for this.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:22PM (#4277119)
    They probably only need a serial number of 1, since that is the number of unique people buying the CD. That 1 will be a big haired girl in New Jersey that drives a camaro.
  • Moby Method (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Dirtside ( 91468 )
    What are the odds he'll just use the Moby Method of fighting piracy? After all, who wants to pirate crappy music? :)

    Well, we ARE talking about Bon Jovi here.
  • In order to do this, you need to admit to someone that you *like* Bon Jovi.
  • shot down in a blaze of glory.

    Sorry folks. I'll be here all week.
  • Daft punk's discovery cd did this a long while back by including a credit card w/a serial # on it. If you bought the cd you could go to their website, login, and download live videos etc.

    Really kool stuff...

    I think it said "Daft Club" on it.
  • Resale (Score:3, Interesting)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <{moc.oohay} {ta} {dnaltropnidad}> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:29PM (#4277181) Homepage Journal
    what happens to the peopel, who resale the disks later? can the remove there registration?
  • Any medium to small time artists and few unfortunate to have negotiation with large reputation, don't get jack for CDs.
    Pirating CDs is good for the band, because you get to like the music and go to their concerts
    when and if they visit your stomping grounds.
    You go to concert, buy a shirt or two, and band
    gets rich from you liking the music that way.
    If you buy CDs, unless they are by Michael Jackson and alike, the rich part goes to RIAA
    friends, and jack squat to artists.
  • Daft Punk had something similar with their Discovery album. You got a card in the case with a number, and using that number you could register and receive access to songs and remixes and things that you couldn't really find anywhere else.

    It wasn't exactly advanced tickets, but it was something that you could only get with the purchase of the cd. And I wish more artist and record labels would move in this direction instead of worrying about something that is in reality helping their sales.
  • ...for not stealing my music!

    Imagin that.
  • Value-Added (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DaytonCIM ( 100144 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:36PM (#4277235) Homepage Journal
    It's refreshing to hear of a "retail-minded" band that is adding value to their CD in order to combat piracy. I like the idea of "perks" for those people who purchase the CD.

    Hopefully, this will do well and maybe the industry will begin looking at alternative ideas, those that benefit the customer, rather than punishing, to combat piracy.

    Then again pigs may fly over my house...
  • So they now want you to submit personal information to marketing teams who provide you extra opportunities to spend your money with them?

    Isn't like like registering a piece of software so you can recieve technical support and advanced information on new features and upgrades?

    What on earth does this have to do with piracy?

  • by Deanasc ( 201050 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:38PM (#4277262) Homepage Journal
    From what I hear Jon Bon Jovi is a nice guy. I remember when you couldn't turn on the TV without seeing him. Then I remember when the hair became a joke. This guy has been to the top and slid down to the bottom. Lately he's been working his way steadily back up. I say good for him.

    Another reason to like him is he married his high school sweetheart and stayed married through the rise and fall and so far for his second trip up the success ladder.

    Anyway this seems like the kind of thing a real musician would do for his fans. Certainly not the lawsuit slinging behavior some other hair metal rockstars have shown their fans.

  • well, even though I never liked bon jovi, this is an interesting idea.

    although after seeing jon bon jovi's interview on leno a while after he was on ally mcbeal - the guy is an absolute moron. self centered over the hill idiot.

    so its safe to say that this is *not* jon bon jovi's idea - and I would like to give credit to the person who came up with this plan.

    but seeing as how jon bon jovi is (as previously stated) a fool - I wonder what the hidden catches are.

    Hey jon bon jovi - you're not a rock star (as you said way too many times in your leno interview) you're a has been that has been sold a novel idea on the release of your(?) new CD.

    real musicians actually write all their own stuff - which is rare in the industry these days.
  • by teamhasnoi ( 554944 ) <teamhasnoi@yahoo. c o m> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:39PM (#4277271) Journal
    I need the keygen for Bon Jovi 1.0. Reply "me too" if you n33d it too. Many thanks to the CR3W!
    • "I need the keygen for Bon Jovi 1.0. Reply "me too" if you n33d it too. Many thanks to the CR3W!"

      It wouldn't be that hard to generate a valid #: Start with 0000000000000001, then 0000000000000011, then 0000000000000010, then 0000000000000111, then 0000000000000110, and so on. I bet you crack it within an hour. =)
  • ban jovi (Score:4, Interesting)

    by solferino ( 100959 ) <hazchem&gmail,com> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:40PM (#4277281) Homepage

    why not pass on bon jovi and go for the much cooler 5 piece banjo ensemble ban jovi?

    can't find a website for these guys, but here's a place [carbonrecords.com]where you can buy their cd

    no real affiliation to th band in question - just heard them play once at an underground music festival in taiwan (they are american)

  • Now I have to cancel my subscription to the RIAA backed online music sites.

    Make up your minds already!
  • by cpfeifer ( 20941 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @05:42PM (#4277292) Homepage
    If you buy the new Counting Crows CD (and you should, because it's quite good) it gives you access to a secret bit of their site with unreleased tracks and whatnot. Makes for an interesting reverse engineering project [blogspot.com].
    • Again, this is "value-added" to the album.

      "Get something by purchasing our album, that you couldn't possibly get by downloading."

      The music industry sees downloading as a "problem," when in fact they should see (treat) it as competition. If the industry stepped up and spent half of the money they spend "combating" Napster sites on adding value to albums (in the form of posters, liner notes, inserts, giveaways, etc...) they might see a distinct change in consumer attitudes toward downloading.
      • Q: Do you think the RIAA and the government should be going after the Napsters of the world they way they are?
        AD (as in Adam Duritz): Yeah, I do. I'll tell you why....well, I don't know. The fact is, it is illegal, so if you want to go after Napster, you can go after Napster. But there's always going to be another one. It's just too easy to make them. I mean, now there are nine Napsters, or 20 Napsters. What I didn't like about Napster was the way they took on that mob mentality. Because you know you're doing something wrong, right? Let's face it: Everybody loved it, but let's not lie about it. It was wrong. So don't pretend that you're the Great White Hope, or that you're this great rebel, because the only people you're ripping off are the artists you supposedly love.
        And what I really hated about Shawn Fanning and those guys is that they really whipped up a mob mentality toward the artists who spoke out against them, as if they were these rich corporate types. You know, Lars Ulrich was this guy who had the decency and the guts to speak out, and they really jumped on him. I thought, "Man, that is so wrong." I mean, do what you want to do, be a fan, whatever. I'm cool with that. But where do you get off lecturing him when you know you're wrong. It's just too easy to shout somebody down when you have the majority with you. I always feel like that's wrong, no matter whether you're Napster and MTV, or whether you're Joe McCarthy at the Communist trials in the '50s. It's just too easy to shout someone down when everyone's on your side. It's always wrong. It's just never right to be in a mob. Never.
        But, I don't know, the government...See, I really think it's just a world. I mean, we've got countries, and they're not going anywhere. But they're just these things we made up. Really, it's just a world. We've made up these countries, and I'm not sure how much good they've done us. It's just because our nature is to become a mob and gang up on each other, so we make these boundaries to sort of scare ourselves into not doing it. Maybe it's the only way we keep ourselves from slaughtering each other daily. And we still do that, but the great thing about the Web is that it's sort of this untamed thing. It crosses all natural boundaries, it is lawless. It just doesn't belong to anybody. There are no rules, in a world that's so obsessed with rules, there aren't any. I kind of think that's cool. I really do appreciate that part of it. And regardless of what I think about things like Napster, I'd be really hesitant to involve our government, because I'm hard pressed to think of examples in which our government gets involved and does a particularly good job of it. They generally step in there and do it all wrong. Because who are they, really? Where are their interests? They're not with me and you. They just generally aren't. If the government had to choose between me and your and Universal/Vivendi - and I've got nothing against my record company, they've been great to me - but they're going to choose Universal/Vivendi.
        The perfect example was when the record companies got that law passed that music was a work-for-hire a couple of years ago, and they did it effortlessly even though it was clearly unconstitutional and wrong. The fact is that all it takes is a vote of the government, and when you're the biggest company in the world, it's easy. It's not that hard to get it passed. We're an unorganized group of artists, you know? It couldn't be more unorganized. Thank God for people like Sheryl (Crow), Don Henley, and people that organized against it. But we're not the union types. It's not in our nature to be organized, and to be, like, a union. It's not the nature of anyone in this business to do it. As a result, the companies run roughshod over us at times. I'm very lucky, you know? I'm part of a very, very small percentage of people who do what I do who make a living at it. Generally, they've made it almost impossible to make a living doing what we do. Very hard. You get paid almost no money, percentage-wise. So if you're small, you just can't do it.


  • you can pay a anual fee for access to teh site that has interview concert tickets, unreleased music. If this concept was implimented like BonJovi has I think it woudl work. The serial number gives you an exclusive access to the site ( it would finally justify the cost of CD's) then fans could get access to exclusive offerengs thus bring the artists and fan closer. Almost makes me wish I thought of it.
  • When you by the Hip album "In Violet Light" you get membership to The Hip Club [thehip.com]. Membership includes things like free bonus tracks of unreleased and live material, exclusive merchandise only available to THC members, first in line ticket access to select shows... Sounds like more new ground being broken by Canadians and credit being given to Americans.
  • I don't see how this would work for a smaller band, since smaller shows aren't usually sold out, they (usually) don't have a relationship with the ticket seller, and unreleased music would be spread as soon as one file trader gets it.

    Pehaps this could be submitted as an 'ask slashdot' (and promptly rejected), but what could a smaller band do to promote CD's in the face of file sharing? An old band I was in made little refrigerator magnets (by hand with markers!) for anyone who came to a show. What is something that is cheap and scalable, includeable in a cd, yet adds value (assuming the music doesn't suck :) to a CD purchase?

    What you you want to see?

  • A company could get a bundle for selling the customer list from registrations. You'd have some seriously targeted advertising possibilities.
  • by crovira ( 10242 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @06:05PM (#4277508) Homepage
    the potential for swag or reduced cost goodies.

    While this is a change in the business model and an encouraging trend, what can be done to give the artist their due (and screw what the RIAA and the other fascists want,) on the most widely downloaded mode which is on a song-by-song basis?

    The album as a unit is an inadequate concept. Does anybody remember buying 45s for a buck? Even then the B sides were mostly trash. (Okay some was fun trash but NOBODY in their right mind would pay for "My Name Is Jack" or some Sam The Sham & The Pharoes B-Sides.)

    People get captured by a just part of a song. (I blame television for reducing the attention span of the average American to the life expectancy of a fly in a bowl of lava, but that's just me.)

    Billy Idol owes his entire career to the way he said the words "White Wedding". People who loved Bruce Springstein's "Born In The USA" never listened to more of the song than the title.

    There are no more "theme" albums. That crap went out with "Tommy."

    We have GOT to come up with some way for bands, not the fuckin' xxAAs either, THE BANDS, to make dough a song at a time or else we're going to be listening to car horns at a traffic light or whatever homogenized pap the tone-deaf accountants at the big five are pushing that week.

    Maybe a new music format (MPX) capable of including "PayPal" payment info so the band get some dough with every 'Net download.

    Something for God's sake
  • by foqn1bo ( 519064 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @06:12PM (#4277561)


    While I'm sure tactics like this are advertised as anti-piracy measures, I'm excited about this as a sales technique. The online community(slashdot especially) has been talking for quite some time about the relative value of copyright when it comes to music recordings. A very common response has been one which suggests that in order to assure sales, a retailer/merchant/distributor/manufacturer needs to give a prospective buyer a good reason to purchase.

    The traditional extension to that idea I've come across here is that in most transactions the consumer is paying for a service rendered. For example, a new car was built by a factory and an ordinary consumer cannot make his own. Same goes for computer parts, TVs, and many types of clothes. The consumer has discovered, through the advent of consumer digital media devices(esp computers), that the act of taking an existing digital audio recording and duplicating it is trivial and practically mundane. The artist(who only has to record the album once) does a lot more work than the record company copying it, particularly within the boundries of the insane amount of elbow grease that goes into writing/recording/touring.

    You may think Bon Jovi is the lamest crap on earth, but in my opinion this strategy not only sounds like an effective solution but a vote of confidence for consumers. For once a recording institution is admitting that it needs to work to keep it's customers loyal instead of the other way around.
  • to buy a fleet of spanish Galleons, and combat piracy throughout the Caribean.

    When ask why, his Parrot said "SQUAWK!"
  • And I think I can resolve it. Maybe I'll buy the album to encourage others to do the same and then immediately sell it so I don't have to actually listen to it.
  • by Daimaou ( 97573 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @06:31PM (#4277706)
    I really hate when people compare the sharing of mp3 files to software piracy. Why? Because the two are totally different.

    Music has been broadcast over the airwaves for years and years and then some more years. For most of those years, there has existed the technology to copy those songs onto cassette tapes and other mediums and listen to those songs at a later time; and numerous times.

    Growing up, I always recorded my favorite songs off the radio; and I believe, just like recording a TV show, it was perfectly fine for me to do so. In fact, wasn't it Sony, one of the companies that is now whining about music sharing, that sold me the ability to record radio broadcasts? Why, I believe it was!

    Since the radio reaches nearly every corner of our country and nearly everone owns the technology to record that music, I don't see a difference between that and sharing an mp3 file with your friends, other than you get to cut out the retarded DJ who always talks over the song like some dimwit fart.

    A couple more interesting things to note, in Japan, they have stores that will rent you CDs, for a couple hundred yen, in much the same way American's rent VHS and DVD movies. Those same stores also sell very specialized cassette tapes so you can record the CD instead of having to pay around $30.00 for it. Since the stores are not owned by the record companies, I don't see a difference between this and sharing mp3s with your friends (other than you've cut out the middle man).

    Also, you most public libraries will loan you music CDs for free.

    On the otherhand, software has NEVER been broadcast over public airwaves or freely distributed in your public library. Nor are there stores that will rent you software and then the media to use to copy it. Nor has the means to copy software ever been commercially provided with the copying of software being its primary marketed function.

    I think that the record industry is too damn stupid to provide their customers with a product in the form their customers demand and I think they are using an apples to oranges comparison of software piracy to sharing music to force the governments to pass laws that maintain the status quo of their current, obviously undesirable, business plans.

    And all of that is why I hate hearing music sharing compared to software piracy.
    • On the otherhand, software has NEVER been broadcast over public airwaves
      Why, it has! Here in the Netherlands in the 80's, you had the NOS Hobbyscoop, a radio programme on public radio that broadcast home computer software. It used a standard for compatible BASIC programs, called BASICODE. It was basically a 'shared library' with well-known subroutines at well-known line numbers.

      You'd record the part with the awful sounds on your cassette recorder, and then you could load it onto your Spectrum or C64 or MSX. Loads of fun!
  • A much more effective anti-piracy feature built in to Bon Jovi's brand new album is that it is such a crap that no one will want to listen to it let alone copy it or download it. It keeps piracy at practically zero level.
  • by mini me ( 132455 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @06:42PM (#4277803)
    Conspiracy Theory: Little do these people know, their serial number is embedded into the audio tracks on the CD. When distributed on the internet these wartermarks can be matched against the contact information used for signing up for the free merchendise. Therefore the person who distributed the audio on the internet will be known.

    Well that probably isn't the plan here, but who knows what the future will hole.
  • Whoa... (Score:3, Funny)

    by mshomphe ( 106567 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @08:28PM (#4278430) Homepage Journal
    they're halfway there...
  • by weston ( 16146 ) <westonsd&canncentral,org> on Tuesday September 17, 2002 @09:06PM (#4278621) Homepage
    Toad the Wet Sprocket [toadonline.com] did this 5 years ago. May of 1997 was the release date for their album Coil. If you bought Coil, you got two special bonuses:

    1. A free ticket to a promo tour they were doing for the album
    2. When you visited their website with the CD in the drive, you could play a hidden track on the CD. There was a contest, too -- the first person to correctly identify all the lyrics from this song won a signed guitar.


    The result: my brother and sister and I bought four copies for the three of us and a friend we would take to the concert. Ticket prices were usually well above the $12.99 promo price for the CD. Even though I had access to a burner and blank CDs cheaply, it simply didn't make sense NOT to buy the CDs with the ticket incentive. The multimedia was nice, too.

  • by mr_gerbik ( 122036 ) on Wednesday September 18, 2002 @12:25AM (#4279371)
    is this going to be the future of warez? i think i'll start working on my bon jovi serial generator now.

    -gerbik
  • by Mulletproof ( 513805 ) on Wednesday September 18, 2002 @01:05AM (#4279492) Homepage Journal
    No, seriously... Besides going cold turkey internet, subscriber base and everything that goes with a downloading service, what Bon Jovi is doing is THE ONLY way to lure fans back from the brink of piracy. it's all about added value and so far, the labels have been doing nothing but subtractive value marketing. MP3 added value because I could at very least burn my own CDs, let alone ~ahem~ sample them before I buy. You can damn near do anything to MP3. There is so much added value in the digital format it's pathetic and the best the Labels can think of is encryption and new media formats? Not to stroke myself, but me and others have been saying this for years now-- The only way to combat this if you aren't going to move away from CDs is pack in shit with the CDs. Autographed guitar pics, tickets (their method is probably easier) and other stuff you simply can't get online. hell, I might just buy the CD as a show of support. This is actually one submission I totally agree with... Somebody is finally doing something right here, so support the bad man (it's like that 'going to a crappy video game movie' thing to 'support the cause').
  • by Tsuzuki ( 442471 ) <komala@@@mac...com> on Wednesday September 18, 2002 @01:51AM (#4279622) Homepage
    It's about getting people to buy the damn album - pure and simple sales. If that means less people pirate it, all the better.

    Working in a promotional company has exposed me to a fair bit of how marketing and sales operate, and "new and innovative" is what every client always wants, no matter how much or how little they're willing to pay for the resulting premiums (ie. toys) or services.

    Most of you would be physically sick if you saw some of the promotions that are being planned in the name of kids (and their parents) maintaining the market share of certain fast food and cereal companies. Sony Ericsson phones and POX were advertised in unique and innocuous ways that increased their "cool" factor.

    These promotions are ways to add perceived value to a product, which are a big part of increasing sales. We all complain about the price of CDs, whether we choose to buy them or not. Don't you think it's about time we started to at least feel like we got more value out of them?

    People who solely download music are being conceited if they think approaches like this have been generated in direct retaliation to piracy. It may be one of many reasons to carry out a promotion like this, but gathering valuable market research data and generating sales full stop are far more lucrative reasons to do it.

    (Regarding market research: a large company will probably keep your under lock and key for themselves so they know how to target future promotions. A company that provides free services is far more likely to sell information about you to others without asking you.)

    All that said, the first value-added CD I ever bought was a Pitch Shifter album. Not only did it have two small multimedia clips on it, the last two tracks of the album were made up of royalty-free samples they'd created of the album itself. They were full stereo, neatly separated, there to be ripped and used however the buyer pleased. The only "condition" of their use was that you sent the band what you'd done with it later. I think I bought it in about 1995...

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