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Comment Re:I'm still wondering (Score 1) 119

The gulf aligned against...

The only thing the gulf is aligned against is low oil prices, and the US squabbling with Iran is better than anything they might have hoped for. All the Gulf states are perfectly happy to continue being spectators and losing the occasional airport hanger or pipeline to a flying pipe bomb from Iran/Yemen, as long as that means $100+/bbl oil.

Trump sought out the biggest, wettest pile of shit on this entire planet and jumped into it with both feet.

Comment Re:You are right (Score 1) 163

No, your argument is superficial with a significant flaw that intent is baked into public use of both Flock and Meta's glasses. While there might be legitimate uses for smart glasses, such as manufacturing or remote surgery (I am going on limb here, Meta glasses are not used in such way as far as I know), the vast, overwhelming usage is to produce non-consenting public recordings of people and leak them to Meta for further data mining.

Comment Re:Whereas the rest of us believe... (Score 1) 102

None of that refutes the OP's claim. Anyone paying attention KNOWS that OpenAI and similar corporations are pursuing the most damaging, sociopathic solutions they can develop and that there has been a body count as a result. That's for the grotesquely long testimony to what is already known.

That doesn't mean LLMs *will* deliver AGI OR will ultimately be a threat to humanity. LLMs can't do anything, it's agents that do the dirty deeds. An agent can operate a gas chamber regardless of the model it connects to for instructions, an LLM only provides instructions. Sam Altman wants the agents, he is realizing the money isn't in the LLMs alone.

Comment Re:Not deception (Score 1) 102

"Training" means something specific with regards to LLMs. Why do you associate this issue with training when it is almost certainly something else?

I think your comments are particularly insightful, but they seem directed to a larger problem of overall architecture of a solution and not to how generation of weights of neuron interconnections are produced. It's a fundamental technology problem, not a training problem.

Comment Re:misaligned behavior (Score 1) 102

Models don't "tell you" anything, models generate outputs when given inputs. Deception implies intent, models do not have intent. This is more anthropomorphizing.

The provided links present arguments supporting the idea that LLMs, transformer models, reason in a manner similar to the brain. That's all great and interesting, but it's not an argument that LLMs "deceive" and that they know it when they are doing it. Deception requires motivation, LLMs do not have motivation.

Brains exist for one purpose, to survive. Brains are wired up to the body in order to both control it and to sense the environment, they use this to enact their biological programming. LLMs have ABSOLUTELY NONE of this, they may process tokens in a manner than the reasoning portion of the mind does, but the brain is vastly more than merely a reasoning portion.

For an LLM to be devious, it needs a goal that benefits from deception. Where would that come from? Who is being deceived and why? An LLM, to deceive, needs a target for the deception, yet the LLM has no perception of an environment that could provide such a target.

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