I have had bad luck with optical discs. Even during and right after burning (unreadable)!

There is no proprietary infotainment system. GM is adopting Google Built-in. It will be updated at the cadence Google defines. It's maps are as current as Google provides. And if anything I wouldn't trust my phone to be able to connect to 10 year old car (somehow we're in support of IoTing this shit because Google but we forget the software needs support from a car manufacturer anyway?) , so it's critical that a car retains max functionality without my phone.

Leaving aside that Google manages the updates, have you ever looked into car security? They are mostly Chinese botnet right out of the factory. This is not something which warrants any kind of new concern. If you're worried you wouldn't have a car RIGHT NOW.

Then you should be in support of GM's move here. Given they are proposing this for cars that run Google Built-In GM is not in control of updating maps or bugs. The cars run Android, updates are handled by Google, the maps are whatever app you want to run on the car (I choose Waze), and the entire thing syncs up nicely with my phone account. The real benefit though is my car retains 100% full functionality *WITHOUT MY PHONE*.

Ignorance leads to poor decisions. Though I agree with not wanting a GM car for other reasons.

Until they're twenties. So if you start encouraging teenage pregnancy you're going to do a lot of damage down there and it's going to be counterproductive because they won't have more kids later on.

This is another example of men not really knowing how ladies plumbing works. I only know because I watch entirely too many left-wing YouTube channels and they cover it all this extensively with the abortion debate here in America.

It is possible to force women to have children against their will. You don't have to do it without right rape you can just put them in a position where they don't really have any other options. Which is to a certain extent what you're suggestion would result in...

And that does seem to be what we're going to do. But the problem is that when you do stuff like that you usually collapse civilization while you're doing it and you lose all the medical care and prenatal care that keeps those women alive so your population growth still goes to shit.

We know it's the economy stupid. Just like Clinton said.

The problem is even beyond the economy it appears that women have a limited number of children they actually want to have because it's physically demanding to have children. I don't mean the raising them although there is that there is the whole giving birth to them thing.

I don't think this is something most men think about all that much. But every year children get bigger because we have all this prenatal care and that's a good thing for the health of the child but it means that the birth is a lot harder on the woman.

I mean most men do not know what a ectopic pregnancy is or why women need reproductive health care when they get them... So it's not surprising we have blind spots in these surveys.

The other problem is that we don't really fix the economic problems. Finland probably does a better job than most. But we are still asking people to be 100% responsible for a new baby all by themselves and giving them a few months of time off and a few thousand dollars.

Even in Finland that doesn't come close to covering the time and effort let alone the expense of having a kid.

To do that we would have to completely reorganize how our civilization works and that sure is shit isn't going to happen. For more reasons than I care to get into right now.

So you're not just looking at the difficulties of childbirth physically but we aren't really addressing the difficulties of having the kid after the fact.

And on top of all that children are basically just expensive pets now. In a modern economy it takes at least 22 years to raise a child to the point where they can be productive enough that they could be any use to the family at Large. You are simply going to need some advanced training because the kind of training you can get in 18 years of life on this planet is never going to come close to covering the costs coupled with the cost of keeping you alive past the age of 18.

Going back to the old days by the time a kid was 16 you could put them to work and they could make good money. But that was farm work and factory work that has long since been automated or in the case of the farm will work given over to borderline slaves.

To be productive enough to be useful to the family unit as a whole you are going to need some form of higher education. Just like if you go back a little bit further to be that productive you started to need high school and before that grade school.

If you actually look at the history of education and child rearing (another thing us men never think about) it's a history of needing increasingly large amounts of education and increasingly advanced education in order to keep up with the demands for productivity. And if you can't keep up then you're just a burden on everyone around you.

All of that makes kids like I said expensive pets and reduces the odds of having more of them. Instead of potentially retiring on the backs of your kids like you would in the old days you're probably going to be helping them out here and there as you age because they simply cannot be productive enough.

My kid for example has a bachelor's and I still hear and there have to help bail them out. Yes it's an in-demand field and yes they are fully employed.

If we get really lucky they will make it through a graduate degree that will last unlock enough money that they can live reliably on their own. But in my country those programs have been slashed and I think they're going to try and sneak in under grandfather clauses but I have no idea how that's going to turn out given how the Trump regime runs things...

To be fair things are a lot worse here in America than Finland but it's the same basic effect just to a lesser degree.

Yeah but we all know you're a well known psychopath.

As an Android user you get that. GM is doing this for Google Built-In cars, effectively those running Android Auto on their car systems. Heck on my phone I even have the option when I look up something on maps to "Send to car". The experience is quite unified and works both when my phone is flat or stolen.

They are talking about cars with Google Built-in, the system *is* Android Auto. Just running locally not on your phone. Also you don't need to subscribe to anything. You can just turn on wifi and use your phone plan.

You'll always find edge cases, so no. But cars aren't built for individuals, they are built for masses, and 99.9% of people have no idea what OSMAnd is. That said Google Maps, Waze, and Tomtom are all available.

As for OS updates that's entirely at the whim of your car manufacturer, but are you saying this is a plus for Android Auto? I mean I've had one OS update that has bricked an IoT device. I don't see linking my car to my phone (the latter being a move fast and break things shitshow of shitty software) as a plus. I expect my car to be completely functional even if my phone is lying in the bottom of the ocean.

But yeah you do you. You tell them to fuck off. I tell them "Great I want this feature". You'll never please everyone. Can you get critical mass to have a mega corporation support you? Evidence suggests probably not.

Funny, that's precisely what Google Built-in promotes. A standard interface for infotainment systems. That said I can't disagree with you more about hardware. Sure that may have been fine back when the infotainment system was "a radio", but it's not the 90s anymore. Your solution of "back in the day" is literally a case of downgrading to functionality of back in the day. You'll find even less people support that than those who know what OSMAnd is.

Looks like somebody needs a visit from an American aircraft carrier...

Well it came to the market many years too late and the internet to this day is full of complaints about CarPlay on GM vehicles. Touch wood. Mind you I'm not saying that Android Auto is necessarily better. My experience with Subaru, Mazda, VW, and Skoda has shown Android Auto to be hit and miss. I don't use CarPlay but I did have a quick look online before I made my comment and there's a never ending string of complaints about CarPlay.

Happy it worked for you.

Funny sidenote: My sister has a Subaru Forester which supports wired and wireless carplay. She uses wired ... with a wireless adapter, because the default wireless sucks a lot. It seems no platform or company can really get this right.

And even in the most advanced economies women poll at only wanting 2.6 kids.

It turns out the way our population was growing was we forced women to have children whether they wanted to or not. Basically rape marrying them.

It's not terribly hard to figure out why. The woman has to squeeze those kids out. So if you look at women who have a lot of kids except for a few oddballs it's all either women who are forced to do it because they're part of some twisted religious cult or it's extraordinarily wealthy women like Romney's wife who can basically focus entirely on having the kid and then have a nanny do all the really hard work of raising them.

The physical toll of actually having and raising a lot of kids is pretty brutal. A buddy of mine wanted a third kid and the wife vetoed it because she's the one that has to squeeze them out. Anecdotal but it matches the 2.6 above.

Even when you get a woman who wants to be a clown car like my old next door neighbor she topped out at five kids before the doctor said the next one was going to kill her.

We could of course do away with modern civilization and go back to forcing women to have children against their will, using a variety of little nasty tricks to mask that we are doing that. You know like that trad wife bullshit.

The trouble is doing that's going to require breaking down the parts of civilization that give us the sort of medical system that keeps those women alive so they can squeeze out five or six kids before kid number six or seven puts them in the grave.

I don't know if it's going to matter since the billionaires aren't planning on letting us have civilization anymore anyway so it seems likely that 99% of the population is going to be driven back into squalor and pre-industrial civilization. That's where all this AI automation is about. It's about dismantling the system of capitalism that forces billionaires to depend on us filthy consumers and workers.

But assuming the billionaire plans don't pan out the way they expect then the human race is going to have to figure something out to maintain our numbers. Maybe artificial wombs? But we are a hell of a long way off from that despite a few cool sci-fi-ish articles about it.

People are literally complaining about the loss of Cloud and Google surveillance. If you don't like it, don't buy the car and don't use Android Auto either.

1st: No you're not, you are more than welcome to use Wifi. Every Google Builtin system I've used has supported wifi data as well. In the alternate scenario you have your phone with you as well so you're not worse off.

2nd: Apps wise, all Android Auto related apps I've used are available on Google Built-in. I'm sure you can find edge cases, but I have no problem using Waze, WhatsApp, Spotify, Tidal, Podcast software, web browsers, etc.

3rd: WTF are you talking about upgrades of hardware. If your hardware can't handle running a simple UI then maybe it shouldn't be part of an infotainment system. There's no upgrade requirement here. We're drawing a map on the screen, not playing Crysis.

By the way since you bring up the outdated software issue, how sure are you that Android Auto in 2040 will be compatible with your 2025 car? I have a red line for my purchasing decision: the car needs to be 100% fully functional including navigation *WITHOUT MY PHONE*. Cars are not IoT shit, they shouldn't be dependent on a software link to your phone.

You don't have to pay a cent. You don't even need the car to have a data connection, you can just use WiFi. You already have your phone with you in the alternate (android auto) case so you're no worse off.