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Comment Re:Fake news (Score 3, Informative) 502

* presuming (as I do) that GW is real, but not solely attributable to AGW, no one is willing to give a percentage breakdown on cause

OT, but I'll have a go. Generally what we have over the last century or so is a secular warming trend (from greenhouse gasses) with fluctuations from various other factors including volcanoes, aerosols, solar output, internal variability, etc. That secular warming trend is strong enough now that studies find most, (or possibly more than all)) of the warming over the last 50 years can be attributed to greenhouse gasses. See for example Tett et al. 2000, Meehl et al. 2004, Stone et al. 2007, Lean and Rind 2008, Huber and Knutti 2011, Gillett et al. 2012, Wigley and Santer 2012, and Jones et al. 2013.

Comment Re: What an empty life (Score 1) 725

Very poor summary. I'm not sure you quite understood the paper. Even still 2016 will be a clear winner without ambiguity because it is so far ahead of other years (as noted previously) - this is even in spite of the fact that 2015 was already so hot that it was given at an astounding 94% certainty!

Comment Re: What an empty life (Score 1) 725

The bottom line here is that flat claims of "hottest year ever" without specifying uncertainty, across the entire scale of comparison, is fake news.

As already mentioned at the top of this thread, 2016 is so much hotter than previous years that it exceeds the uncertainty by several orders of magnitude.

Comment Re: Well then... (Score 1) 586

That article is from 2008. Guess what? "The Ontario Human Rights Commission ruled that it did not have the jurisdiction to hear the complaint. The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal dismissed the complaint 10 October 2008.[14] The Canadian Human Rights Commission dismissed the complaint on 26 June 2008."

Sounds like the law is working.

Comment Re: Well then... (Score 1) 586

Section 318 of the Canadian hate speech laws prohibit people from promoting genocide. Sounds reasonable.

Under section 319 you are allowed to incite hatred against a group as long as what you are saying is true, or even if it's not true as long as it's a religious belief, or even if it's false, and not part of your religion but on reasonable grounds you believed it to be true.

The KKK would probably fall afoul of this law but not many others.

Comment Re:NPR identifies major source of fake news (Score 1) 725

BuzzFeed started this "fake news" meme. They are defining "fake news" as "false or misleading news"

Jansen created a fake news empire quite apart from BuzzFeed and well before it was named by BuzzFeed or any other mainstream media source. He says (and I quote) "Everything about it was fictional. The town, the people, the sheriff, the FBI guy." That's not misleading. That's fake.

There is some basis to your assertion that this is primarily consumed by the right wing. Jansen says "this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat." And it appears they devoured it greedily.

He also says "We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out."

You can try to make this about something else, even try to dismiss it by calling it a meme, but the fact of the matter is that fake news was generated out of whole cloth and the right wing consumers ate it up.

Comment Re:NPR identifies major source of fake news (Score 1) 725

"The people wanted to hear this. So all it took was to write that story. Everything about it was fictional. The town, the people, the sheriff, the FBI guy. Then, we had our social media guys kind of go out and do a little dropping it throughout Trump groups and Trump forums and boy it spread like wildfire."

Sorry. That is not even remotely comparable to the main stream media, regardless of the fact that they have a diversity of opinions or that some of them may be (gasp) feminists.

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