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Comment Re:You'll end up with an empty repository (Score 1) 161

You thought what? Are you trolling? You're claiming you saw me, karmawarrior, on the Debian mailing list?

No, here on Slashdot.

sysvinit is literally why virtually every Linux distribution has had rescue disks since the beginning. Even Windows doesn't come with one.

IME, grub is that reason.

Literally an NFS mount not mounting in /etc/fstab because the network didn't come up properly has stopped sysvinit from booting my system.

You should have noauto in your options. Or today, better yet, use autofs.

The entire Unix world disagees that a set of fragile shell scripts is a great way to boot an operating system. That's why Mac OS X uses LaunchD/SystemStarter, and why the majority of BSDs have switched from a tightly written non-modular shell script intended (bypassing sysvinit altogether) to OpenRC

You mean where they're still using scripts?

Your anecdotal evidence that systemd once crashed on you but you somehow never ever had an unbootable Linux system with sysvinit suggests you've never actually maintained a serious Unix-like system with any complexity.

I've been maintaining serious Unix-like systems since I was a teenager, when at home I had a Sun SLC netbooting Xkernel from a 486 running Linux so I could run Netscape on a fanless system by my bed. Now I run Devuan with root on encrypted ZFS for funsies. You don't need to tell me about boot problems. I just don't blame my problems on sysvinit because I know which components are actually responsible, and it has never failed me. It does one job and does it well. I too have had my system be problematic because I could have done better with my fstab, but that's not sysvinit's fault.

Comment You're a strawmanning (Score 1) 174

Exactly the way I said you would too. You don't call me a luddite because I already pointed that out and it would be too obvious if you use the word so instead you completely ignore the points I made and instead pretend I argued that we should go all Amish and ban technology.

This way you can avoid having to deal with the social implications of work shortages. You even at the end managed to shift the blame to the people losing their jobs and their livelihoods.

This way as society collapses around you as long as you aren't personally affected you don't have to do anything. I mean anything except talk about how fucking awesome you are and how much everybody else are lazy and shiftless.

All I can say is you better hope you die of old age before the effects of your line of thought come home to roost. You can only ignore the collapse of human civilization for so long. Especially when people with literally trillions of dollars are making it happen sooner. I used to think guys like you would get away with it but Elon Musk and the rest of those pieces of shit have accelerated things so much I don't think he will anymore.

Comment Re:70% of middle class jobs lost since 1980 (Score 1) 174

I now conservatives will squirm at the very thought of giving a living wage to someone who doesn't work for it.

Which is ironic because they completely do support that happening for the owning class, but not for them, even though they are promoting their own demise by supporting that class.

Comment Re:You'll end up with an empty repository (Score 1) 161

Claimed by whom?

The people at Debian who chose to adopt systemd with less than the usual amount of debate, and at other distributions as well. I thought you participated in these discussions at the time? Guess not.

sysvinit has been responsible for a number of unbootable environments over the years personally speaking, while I've always been able to log into a systemd system

sysvinit has never stopped me from booting, but systemd has. In fact I got into a situation where in order to troubleshoot booting, I would have had to use a debugger. That's when I noped out forever.

Pick something. Just not sysvinit. The latter hasn't been appropriate since the 1990s, it's ridiculous we continued using it as long as we did.

sysvinit with startpar and the LSB-derived daemon management boilerplate is more than adequate. If you want to use another init system, feel free, but there is absolutely no justification for deprecating sysvinit. You do not need sleep commands, you need to read the headers of some init scripts and see that they contain dependency information, then use dependency chaining to ensure that scripts fire in the correct order. It's really not different from filling out the appropriate fields of a unit file.

Comment Re:70% of middle class jobs lost since 1980 (Score 1) 174

Because we're too busy working middle class jobs to care about the ones that got lost to automation.

Middle class jobs? They sure don't fucking pay like middle class jobs. Most people who think they are in the middle class are in fact not.

after a 3 hours teams meeting I'm really hoping I can replace that shit with AI or something so I can get on to doing more productive work elsewhere.

That's not how it's going to work. In the past you'd replace people with automation and then they'd go get a job that was harder to automate. Well, now the job that's harder to automate requires a four year degree or better, and they're looking at automating that job away as well.

Humanity punted on sharing the wealth when this became an issue, but now there's no more time to waste not solving it, because we're at an inflection point. You're going to care if your job is lost to automation today if the other job you were going to do is lost to automation tomorrow.

Comment Re:70% of middle class jobs lost since 1980 (Score 1, Insightful) 174

Some might say that anything done that can be done by a robot *should* be done by a robot. They are tools, after all. Should we ban wrenches next? The jobs being lost should *not* exist into the next century.

Nobody said otherwise but you had to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that you missed the point.

The Luddites didn't say we shouldn't advance technology. They said that the advances in technology should benefit everyone, not just the capitalists at the top of the pyramid.

You are attacking a position that not even the Luddites held. Enjoy playing with your straw man, but you are adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Comment Re:Oil and Gas Trolls (Score -1, Troll) 157

I see that Slashdot has been taken over by a lot of very uninformed people or people with an agenda that is entirely selfish.

You mean the nuclear playboys agitating to spend OUR MONEY on foolish bullshit that we don't need, and in fact we'd get more for OUR MONEY elsewhere? Your childish vagueposting doesn't specify and there's no need to announce your departure as this is not an airport, just fuck off already.

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