Comment Re: if they can't make them stop hallucinating (Score 1) 95
I miss pc at power systems.
"Is it off?" was never a question.
I miss pc at power systems.
"Is it off?" was never a question.
Considerably more difficult than you imagine. Between them, they have almost 70 command-line options or flags. Taking into account that many of those behave differently depending on the presence or absence of other flags, there's a couple hundred different code paths. Then you need to handle directories, files, sparse files, sym- and hard-links, on and across different filesystems, not to mention the various file-like things scattered around (pipes, streams, etc.)
It's not rocket science, but neither is it trivial.
agencies can't be trusted to oversee themselves.
We knew that. But now we have proof.
Will anything happen because of that? Nah, I don't think so. A few token gestures maybe. A friendly mail to everyone saying to write better reasons, followed up by an informal mail that tells them to ignore the previous one.
This isn't a mistake. It's intentional. The more arbitrary and uncontrolled the police can act, the more it is feared, the more it is a tool for oppression and not a part of civil society, the more likely the cops will stand on the side of the powerful when there are protests or uprisings against the increasing oppression and economic divide.
Like punches are a foot away from making contact and things are just really really off.
I wonder how much of that is based on human actor motion capture used for the animations?
In a movie, we appreciate the craft in bring words to life and it does require a high level of skill.
Is this true for animated films too? What about hybrid live action and animated? Animated films that are CGI based rather than hand drawn/painted? Hand drawn that are computer "painted"?
At some point we may have a human writer an a human director, and they prompt an AI. Is that still art? Aren't human words still being brought to life?
While AI will certainly lead to a lot of slop, hollywood is hardly without a lot of slop already.
I also expect that some currently unknown indie writer and director will create something very artistic and enjoyable. As we have had artistic and enjoyable animated films in the past.
But the purpose of the stop was not enforcement of the vehicle code.
You are mistaken. The vehicle code refers to a driver being a traffic safety hazard. As a driver distracted by following someone else would be.
Since the vehicle was not involved, the stop would not require a license to of produced. Of course, the cop would lie and make up a reason.
You are mistaken, the vehicle and public roads were used by the activist to follow the worker.
You are conflating a consensual encounter with a detention.
Nope, a public safety only requires suspicious behavior. Not a specific crime. For example a stranger following you.
Sure. There's def not been guidance guidance put out to Flock installers and employees regarding how to behave while being filmed or what do do while interacting with journalists because this is such unexpected behavior.
Walking up to you at an install and trying to talk is something expected and likely covered in instructions. Someone following you around on the road is not. When weird suspicious things happen, the normal reasonable reaction, and likely instructions, is to let the police sort it out. To not try to resolve it yourself.
Imagine having TDS since 2016.
The "reason" needs to be a warrant number, full stop.
Again, the training materials are irrelevant to the motivational outcome evidenced by officer behaviors.
Nonsense. The training materials not only guide towards correct behavior, they also push candidates to self evaluate that they are here for the correct reasons. There is also screening to help ensure they are here for the correct reasons. Do bad ones slip through, there are obviously some that do not have the intelligence, temperament, or judgement that the job requires and they should be removed. However they are the exception, the outliers.
Repeating your statements and swearing does not support your argument.
Funny but that's kind of what you are doing. Frankly your personal incidents are of far lesser weight than the training and screening. Again, they are literally told that they are expected to go into harms way to protect people when the situation calls for it. That will be your duty. And if you think otherwise or think you could not do so, leave now.
In fact, I believe that these tactics work against you in the general public eye. Swearing is evidence of a loss of control, often due to frustration,
And sometimes it is an extreme form of emphasis. An indication of extreme seriousness. It all depends on context.
That being said, you have not effectively countered any of my arguments or evidence
That is just your erroneous opinion.
... nor your new claim that any officer action that doesn’t align with your perspective is an outlier. I am not referring only to my personal beliefs. I am referring to my experiences with officers as well as evidence available to the general public that contradicts your statement that “officers do generally want to help people",
You are literally contradicting yourself here. Dismissing the more common behavior due to personal anecdotes.
... which is supported by common reports of police misbehavior
Claimed misbehavior like is this thread? Debunked misbehavior..
my personal experiences with officers
And the source of your bias. Plus your opinion is this story suggests that you may not be the best evaluator of what is actual misbehavior.
and research such as the Stanford Prison Experiment.
A red herring. Police and Military are trained to not obey illegal orders.
You also used the weasel word "generally".
No, I merely acknowledge that people who should not be officers slip through the screening. They are however outliers, hence "generally".
That being said, you have achieved your goal of argumentum ad nauseam/infinitum, as I do not care to participate in this particular exchange any further, as you provide no new facts or evidence.
Amusingly you are projecting, what have you offered other than your questionable interpretations of your personal anecdotes?
> And the police and military include the concept of illegal orders into their training as a result. I’m curious if you think the military always follows only “legal” orders,
LOL - maybe now you understand why I used words like "generally".
You conclusion displays poor logic and reading comprehension of face value. I have said there are people who slip through the screening that may be unfit due to intelligence, temperament, and judgement. Obeying an illegal order would be one of those judgement failures.
illegal orders have been followed by the military in recent years (for example, attacking boats around South America, or specific actions such as apparently targeting a girls’ schools and wedding in the current Iran conflict, as well as attacking non-military equipment such as oil facilities, and of course destroying clearly civilian resources as well).
Thank you for confirming your bias and a tendency to believe misrepresentations. You seem to not understand the reality behind what you discuss.
> I could do a proper debate, its just that slashdot is not a venue worth much time. Note that your posts on this site and in this thread often do not evidence this supposed belief of yours.
Did "not a venue worth much time" confuse you?
But I completely agree with you; I mostly waste time here for the entertainment value (I do like to argue!),
Guilty here too. In real life I am also well known for playing devils advocate to keep people honest. Friends sometimes test me for fun, picking a side and having me argue that position.
In reading, I am mostly here to learn, but it is frustrating to see falsehoods and illogical arguments.
100%. But hearing the other sides falsehood and illogic, although I would characterize it as their shallowing thinking and/or shallow information, can be quite informative. (1) To learn the common arguments made by opponents. (2) Your political team does not always tell the truth, their political team does not always lie. Both teams will lie to manufacture the desired perception, both teams will tell the truth when the truth coincidentally supports the desired perception. One needs to listen to both sides to discover the truth. Much like police officers have to have a conversation with the journalist rather than just accept the employees claims of harassment or threats, again motivated not by the claim but the suspicious activity of following.
We should all simply stop responding to the rage baiting on both sides, as it only sharpens divides. For this reason, I try to discuss logic and critical thinking rather than using bad faith argumentation tactics, spreading falsehoods, insulting people (though sometimes I have something like Keyboard Tourette Syndrom).
In general I think you are being intellectually honest hence my continuing to interact. I think our disagreement is more a matter depth of knowledge regarding law enforcement. I suppose it might help to confess that I am NOT a sworn law enforcement officer, however I have gone through some of their formal training. My involvement is of a Search and Rescue/Recovery role. That role needs some formal training with respect to the handling of evidence. However the intro classes are designed for future patrol officers and cover many other topics and skills. Among the extras were interviewing techniques, which was helpful in this thread.
I also once interacted with a journalist in the field during one callout. The journalist was quite fair and reasonable, I have no problem with such pros.
Basically, we’re all just shouting into the social media void to egotistically hear the sound of our own voices
With respect to convincing a 3rd party, sure, too deep into the thread for that. Still there is seeing if the other party will add any interesting info. Again, you seem to be intellectually honest, not just regurgitating party talking points (well, you got close to that with respect to illegal orders), so you might add something interesting in a rebuttal. And, I suppose, there is a slight possibility I am stubborn.
You are referring to an officer at a traffic stop? You do realize that is one of the most dangerous things that an officer does, walk up to a car they just stopped?
well, that just sucks. dunno, for some reason it isn't where i live
Until it isn't. I lived in an extremely safe neighborhood, nothing ever happened. One night an officer pulls over a car on our main road, the officer walks up to the car, the driver fires three rounds into the officer, his vest catches all of them. He's knocked down and in pain, he barely crawls back to his vehicle and calls for help before passing out. The next day there is a photo of him in the hospital with his shirt off. He has three large orange sized bruises on his abdomen. The call he pulled over for a minor traffic offense was an armed robber fleeing from a robbery 7 miles away that had not made. Patrol officers had not received notice yet. This can happen anywhere.
FBI stats indicate traffic stops are one of the most dangerous things that officers do.
Did the activist video themselves while following, that is the relevant evidence?
"i'm getting followed, harassed pretty much, getting videos and pictures". "getting videos and pictures" is not harassment except under very specific circumstances.
Officers are used to getting conflicting information from callers. The fact that the employee claimed harassment does not mean the officer would believe it, they too would notice that videos and pictures is not necessarily harassment. What would get their attention is "getting followed". That is the key here. That is what escalates things as following is in a different category than videoing.
three police cars were dispatched to intercept a man at gunpoint for "getting videos and pictures".
Nope, it was the employees claim of "getting followed".
"he said that he did see you coming out and bringing out the camera and everything"
dunno, maybe "and everything" refers to a flamethrower, or a katana/wakizashi combo and the camera was just a ruse
Nope, standard interview technique. Get the person to talk, to explain, to self incriminate. Questions along the lines of "what else did you do", "what else did you have", etc typical sort of lines of questioning to get a person to provide additional information. They want long open ended conversations. If someone is lying that provides more opportunities for inconsistencies. The more points to compare and contrast the two stories they are hearing.
i'm thinking you are giving a lot of importance to the one important bit that is completely missing (the actual harassment,
No, that is a subjective opinion. As I indicated earlier, officer won't take that as a given. They will ask what did the other person do, what did they say, what did they have, etc?
Untrue, what really motivated all this was the following. And both sides agree that happened?
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