Visual Exploration of Complex Networks 90
jweebo writes "Seed magazine has a story on complexity, and how it can be visually represented with fascinating results. From the article:
'Complexity is everywhere. It's a structural and organizational principle that reaches almost every field imaginable, from genetics and social networks to food webs and stock markets ...Collected here are a few of the many intriguing, and often beautiful, images that illustrate how the whole is more than the sum of its parts.'"
Wow (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wow (Score:1)
with blackjack and hookers!
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Let me just say... (Score:4, Funny)
Translation for the 1000+ pages:
"omGz)R patterns pwnz joO!"
Really though, the guy goes on and on about his 'new kind of science' and after a thousand pages gets pretty much nowhere.
But hey, it was complex, man! Serious!
TLF
Let me guess... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let me guess... (Score:3, Funny)
Where does this leave reading about a topic?
Re:Let me guess... (Score:2)
Yeah, I know what you mean. Someone told me I wasn't thinking deeply enough about Mandelbrot's ideas and to take a closer look at his work, but it all just looked the same to me.
Re:Let me guess... (Score:2)
But, I just can't stand it.
You really should read it... (Score:2)
I am not too sure what you mean by "wanking" - when I read it, I felt it was the opposite - that he was self-deprecating his research. He constantly refers to others research in the same areas, and notes copiously who they are/were. He does talk about how he feels he is the first to put 1+1 together, about how others have done similar rese
Re:You really should read it... (Score:2)
You are the first of several hundred people I know who've read that book to claim it was anything other than offensively self-aggrandizing, and this slashdot article shows dozens of people who see it the way that I do. At several points he claims the book is the most important in the history of science, that he's more important to mathematics than Leibniz or Euler, and even
Re:Let me just say... (Score:2)
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Here is it: (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.wolframscience.com/thebook.html [wolframscience.com]
I do suggest you at least glance over the first few chapters, look at the pictures.
Also note that the guy got his PhD in Physics at the age of 18 I believe.
Re:Here is it: (Score:1, Interesting)
The fact that he doesn't cite others whenever this would have been appropriate mak
Re:Here is it: (Score:3, Insightful)
He makes no mention about how to crossover from a microscopic theory to his cellular automata stuff, so even if you can say 'wow, that looks like seashells' when you're presented with some new physical problem you can't just look up his book and figure out what the equivalent CA model would be.
And h
Did you really read it? (Score:2)
I won't argue the "peer-reviewed" argument, you are definitely right on this (although, why should every little bit be scrutinized? Wolfram was attempting to show the connections between all of the work, not the individual pieces themselves). However, I don't think you are being fair to the issue of citings.
Had you read the book as you seem to indicate, you would know that on nearly every page of it Wolfram goes on (ad nauseum, it seems) about how he wasn't the first,
Is any of this new? (Score:1)
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Complexity is relevant. (Score:1)
Re:Complexity is relevant. (Score:3, Interesting)
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I don't know much about chaos theory, but it mentions something along the lines of the sinple behaviour of complex systems and the complex behaviour of simple systems.
No, it doesn't. Chaos theory discusses the predictability locusses of confluent systems and the divergent beh
Re:Complexity is relevant. (Score:2)
2) Did you actually read and understand the part that says "I do not know much about
3) Please don't pose.
4) Mod me as flame/troll/off topic/whatever
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Also, in TFA's pictures they show Petri-dish neurons (i.e. not a picture of a brain slice), seems to be cortical interneurons or something, and probably transfected with fluorescent markers. This 'network' looks cool, but is really crap compaired to brain wiring. Like comparing a silicone molecule to an 11/780.
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I was kind of wondering about the pictures because the article says, "A typical cortical neuron receives 1,000 to 10,000 contacts from other neurons and contacts 100 to 1,000 additional neurons." In the picture it really doesn't look like there are any more than a few connections between the neurons pictured. Do you know if it's more dense than that in reality, or did the article mean
Re:Complexity is relevant. (Score:2)
Cultured neurons, i.e. what you get after you put a brain in a blender, then thinly spread the goo over a 2-D surface, receive about 10 to 100 inputs, if that. In this situation, with staining and labeling, one can trace all the inputs a given cell receives.
Neur
you know what (Score:2)
I find that certain complex things are best represented as a series of tubes. Not a big truck that you can just dump something on, but a series of tubes.
Re:you know what (Score:1)
Same, same (Score:1)
They don't present any information. (Score:2)
And they appear to be meaningless. Particularly the last one with Rammstein listed across from Britney Spears. Lots of coloured lines with lots of intersections
Re:Same, same (Score:1)
Beauty is truth, truth beauty.
But beauty is born of complexity.
Now do you understand why the EU Commision/Congress like simple answers to everything - and it all turns out so ugly?
KFG
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KFG
Re:Same, same (Score:2)
Next time, try adding a joke or something.
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Information Architecture & Prefuse (Score:3, Interesting)
May I suggest Information Architecture from Peter Morville [wikipedia.org]. He is also co-founder and president of the Information Architecture Institute.
May I also suggest taking a look at Prefuse [prefuse.org], an open source project to interactively vizualize organized information (still in beta however).
Re:Information Architecture & Prefuse (Score:3, Funny)
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Beautiful, wtf? (Score:2)
Intriguing sure, beautiful
Tree of Strife. (Score:1, Funny)
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Re:Tree of Strife. (Score:1)
KFG
old, old, old (Score:1)
Complexity (Score:1)
Wow! This is Unix! (Score:5, Funny)
Wow, this is Unix! I know this!!
--Lex
Large state spaces (Score:3, Interesting)
Everywhere???? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Everywhere???? (Score:2)
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Isn't that kind of subjective? I mean, what's simple to one person...
Er, no. Complexity isn't the study of things that make you think hard. Complexity is the mathematical study of the uprising of effects from complex systems. Some computer scientists are familiar with a subset of this under the heading "emergent behavior." Weather is the result of complexity, as are volcanoes. Mutation is complexity. Radiation is complexity. This is one of those times at which the word is di
visualizing large-scale information (Score:5, Interesting)
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A blog about information aesthetics (Score:1)
The point of visualization (Score:5, Insightful)
The first example with proteins: how similar are two proteins? If two shapes are similar (and please, how many proteins where being graphed there? One, two, five?), then you might be able to recognize it. If they are similar shapes, are they always presented in the same orientation in space? Does color have any meaning? Does this graph have any legend? If I gave someone who understood the graphs two proteins, what could he say besides "these are related" and "these are not related"? We already have wonderful programs to compare two proteins and say how similar they are two each other, along with being able to the estimate significance of the measurement.
I'm not sure that the other graphics look more informative. They are all pretty, but if they do not convey information (and not lose a large amount of relevant information), then they are just a nice way to generate patterns for some nerd's tie.
Re:The point of visualization (Score:2)
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I think you missed the whole point of this.
From the TFA: "This network maps protein function by connecting proteins that share sequence similarity. Each of the 30,727 vertices represents a protein, and each of the 1,206,654 connections represents a similarity in amino acid sequence."
So the point of th
Re:The point of visualization (Score:2)
http://www.visualcomplexity.com/vc/project_detail
(I know the actual graph shows something different - just a visual example)
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Maybe you should have read TFA more carefully, as it in fact gives two specific cases of utility.
I'm not sure that the other graphics look more informative. They are all pretty, but if they do not convey information (and not lose a large amount of relevant information), then they are just a nice way to generate patterns for some nerd's tie.
Do not confuse your infamiliarity wi
Re:The point of visualization (Score:2)
You need to re-read this bit:
but if they do not convey information (and not lose a large amount of relevant information) then they are just a nice way to generate patterns for some nerd's tie.
Like I said in another post, these guys ought to read a bit of Tufte, so th
Re:The point of visualization (Score:2)
Huhuhhuuhu. Well said, sir. I believe I'll be stealing that.
I think putting up graphs without even the kindness of a legend, labels, etc is not terribly useful.
Uh huh. That's kind of the issue here, though, is that this isn't meant to be useful. It's pretty, it's a tease, and they're trying to get you to buy the magazine, which has exactly what you're suggesting should be there.
Re:The point of visualization (Score:2)
They *tell* you it's useful, but they don't supply the information to demonstrate that it's useful.
I can tell you about this great bridge I have to sell you. Can you tell me why you'd want to listen to me and give me money?
Re:The point of visualization (Score:2)
Enough with the personal attacks. I think I won't be speaking with you again.
Gentry (Score:1)
Network Visualizations and Computations (Score:1)
Re:Old stuff but way cool, still (Score:2)
A picture speaks louder... (Score:4, Interesting)
Really, you'd be amazed at how even the simplest graphical interpretation of complex data can really show up points of interest. And it's not difficult to see why: Humans' primary sense is visual and we have evolved some seriously complex neural algorithms to interpret visual data.
A simple graph is a case in point. Now take a large amount of complex data and apply just about any process you care to name to present a graphical representation and you can easily see the overall picture.
A very simple example which illustrates statistical clustering. Even with totally random numbers, you *will* find islands of apparently significant populations. This is a common counter-claim to action groups who claim, say, a correlation between mobile 'phone masts and incidents of child leukaemia*. Anyway:
Generate a stream of random numbers and assign a symbol for n = 0.5, display the symbols in a grid and, hey presto! Look at those clusters!
On a more positive note:
We often use graphical representation in our work. This ranges from CTK representations of molecules we're looking at (xlation - pretty pictures with balls and lines) to grid based colour indexed representation of multi-dimentional data sets. In each case the point is to present data in a way that we humans can quickly spot potential areas of interest and get a "feel" for the data we're looking at.
It's all good stuff. (Sometimes very pretty, too)
* Actually, this is a good example of why I'm always wary of purely statistical "proofs". In this case the *science* (ie. proposed mechanisms for this) don't hold up to current understanding.
ancient technology (Score:2)