End of Win 98 Support May Boost Desktop Linux 581
An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft kills off support for Windows 98 and Windows ME today, and ZDNet is reporting that the move will boost demand for Linux on the desktop. Unlike two years ago — when support for Win98 was extended because Linux was seen as a serious competitor — this time it seems there is no turning back."
Seems unlikely (Score:4, Informative)
Rich.
(PS. That discussion link just stopped working, but I expect it'll be back up shortly).
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Shame (Score:4, Informative)
Shame then that Linux on the desktop is still effectively a hardware support crapshoot.
Actually it supports ancient hardware like that quite well, because people have had plenty of time to reverse engineer the hardware and debug device drivers. Even old winmodems are doing quite well [linmodems.org].
Rich.
Re:Fairly Obvious (Score:3, Informative)
Besides; don't fix it if it ain't broken.
Re:Unlikely (Score:5, Informative)
that is the biggest pile of FUD I have ever heard. I am running Ubuntu on machines ranging from P-III Celeron 700 to AMD 3000+ with 128-512 meg of ram. it ALWAYS runs faster than XP hands down. Finally Mandriva also works well on those machines, although mandriva still has the bug that you need to reboot after the first login to get rid of an installer service that sit's in the background eating cycles. Just like XPMCE 2005 does right now on new installs. (BTW, you want to try a dog? XP tablet edition with SP2 installed is incredibly slow on a P-III 866.)
Ubuntu live-install CD is broken for most hardware It hates legacy Nvidia video cards, the alternative install CD works on everything perfectly. It even worked on a high end workstation I was messing with that XP refused to install on because of the SCSI raid card, linux was happy with it.
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:3, Informative)
Now if your Dad's GF's Daughter (we call them Great Aunts here) doesn't like the word "damn" in the name, then that may be a problem. But I'm sure she said that word many times while dealing with the viruses.
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:5, Informative)
There are plenty of good options around, some are even end-user friendly.
Re:not really. (Score:2, Informative)
I cannot obtain NAV 2003-2005 simply and am forced to "upgrade" to the 2005 shitpile, however oh lookie here (after purchasing and downloading...) it cannot run on 98.
Why the hell are you using consumer software on corporate machines? Switch them to Symantec Antivirus. You can downgrade SAV 10 licenses to SAV 9 for Win98 machines just by asking.
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Unlikely (Score:2, Informative)
Believe it or not, Microsoft does have some genuine grassroots support -- for their software, not for their abusive monopoly. Love Windows, hate the uncompetitive practices. It's no harder than being pro-American but anti-Bush.
tough call (Score:3, Informative)
More than likely this will be a boost for cheap Dell and HP sales, if anything. That's assuming the people using them know or care that Microsoft no longer supports their OS. They'll probably just keep their boxes going until something breaks, this will just help speed things up.
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:3, Informative)
You could always get a circa-1998 Linux distribution, but I wouldn't recommend that.
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:5, Informative)
I'd be *really* surprised if Linux today couldn't fit in your environment. But you'll likely have to forget KDE/GNOME. They're *nice* but not necessary. My old system used FVWM which is still perfectly capable (I was used it last year on Solaris -- there's even a Win95-like config), although now there are slicker alternatives like XFCE and IceWM which are also available and better supported by default on many distros.
Here are a few alternatives to consider which are more targetted to your needs. You might want to them all out and see which one you like best:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu [ubuntu.com]
http://www.puppylinux.org/user/viewpage.php?page_
http://www.vectorlinux.com/ [vectorlinux.com]
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ [damnsmalllinux.org]
Re:Cost of Training (Score:3, Informative)
I am a small business owner.
Any small business owner interesting in remaining in business will take a hard look at all three of those alternatives. First of all, you need to pay the IT guy no matter what, so the IT personnel costs (and employee downtime costs) among options 1 and 2 and 3 are identical. And realistically the cost of obtaining 15 new desktop computers is not $500 each. Factor in the niggling upgrades, taxes, shipping, and support -- it's more like $1000/ea for those $500 machines. For most small businesses an expense of $15K is not something you take lightly. It sure isn't small potatoes for mine, and we haven't even talked about the software licenses yet for 98-vintage software that cannot be installed properly on XP.
The title of your post is "Cost of Training," which is also something that's identical among options 1 and 2 and 3. For every Windows 98 machine replaced by anything else there will be retraining costs of X. It's not 2X just because it's Linux.
Not FUD (Score:3, Informative)
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that is the biggest pile of FUD I have ever heard.
I've had the same experience as the OP and I can tell you it's not FUD. On the glowing recommendations of the Slashdot crowd, I ordered the free Ubuntu CD which arrived last week. I planned to install it on my 'Designed for Win 98' laptop (a 1GHz P3 IBM Thinkpad). I stuck the CD in, rebooted, chose 'install' from the boot manager, and that's about as far as it got. I'm sure there's some command-line mojo that could have got it to install, but that's exactly the reason Linux is not 'ready for the desktop'. I'm not a Microsoft zealot by any means and was willing to give Ubuntu a try, but now that's another missed opertunity for Linux adoption. Anyone got a link for Win2K install CD?
Re:HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Yeah sure... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAH (Score:3, Informative)
So, you *really* believe that an IT (from the real world, not your imaginary Sylvania) guy will prefer to install and mantain Linux based operating system Desktops against Windows OS desktops?.
Absolutely. I not only believe it, I've seen it happen.