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20 Titles At Revolution Launch 78

Next Generation reports that NOA's George Harrison expects there to be 20 titles for the system at the Revolution launch. From the article: "The other thing we recognized is that you really make your reputation in the first year ... You've got to deliver software, not just at launch, but you've got to deliver software in the first six to nine months after launch. It has to be solid software. In GameCube, we didn't have that, we had kind of a drought for six months after it launched. By that time your reputation starts to solidify and it's hard to reverse that after awhile."
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20 Titles At Revolution Launch

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  • That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Silent sound ( 960334 ) on Monday April 10, 2006 @03:14PM (#15100403)
    But it's quality, not quantity. The XBox 360 had about 26 titles or something, but most of them were ports and crappy generic EA sports games. That won't cut it on the Revolution, especially because I don't think Nintendo has that much of the sports games fan market. We will have to wait to see how many of these 20 titles are "for real" and how many are, shovelware.
    • Re:That's nice (Score:2, Insightful)

      by be-fan ( 61476 )
      I hate the "quality not quantity" mantra. That's the main reason why post-SNES Nintendo game libraries have sucked so hard. It totally eliminates the variety of titles that make a system worth owning.
      • Yeah well, I don't know about you, but I'd rather have one game that blew me away than one hundred games that were all different, yet sucked.

        And besides, when has Nintendo ever been known to release titles that weren't varied? Nintendogs? Super Smash Bros? Mariokart? Super Mario 64? Katamari Damacy? I'd say that small example of games shows quite a variety of titles, wouldn't you?
        • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Insightful)

          by sm4kxd ( 683513 ) on Monday April 10, 2006 @03:33PM (#15100561)
          You know that Katamari Damacy was created by Namco, and has only graced Sony platforms, and that neither of these entities is in any way Nintendo, right?
          • Katamari is rumored to be coming out for the Nintendo DS. Rumor isn't certain, but still, it's possible. :)
            • Certainly not by the original creator, he's repeatedly stated he's not touching it again. It's a shame, but it's true.
            • Katamari is rumored to be coming out for the Nintendo DS.

              It's been cancelled as a commercial project, and you will die before the elements of the three existing games, all of which are copyrighted, become available for use by homebrew developers.

              • You can't copyright the idea of a ball rolling around getting things attached to it. You can trademark the name and copyright the execution - the graphical design, sounds etc, but not the idea itself.

                You can copyright the sequence of words used in a book to tell a story, but not the story itself.

                I believe that's how it works. Perhaps all this is debunked by someone here who knows better than me.
                • You can trademark the name and copyright the execution - the graphical design, sounds etc, but not the idea itself.

                  Sure, homebrew developers could make their own takeoff on Midway's Bubbles, but then it wouldn't be a KATAMARI(tm) brand game, as rehtonAesoohC speculated []. And how do you know that there aren't patents involved, in which case it's not after you're dead but still after the DS is dead?

                  You can copyright the sequence of words used in a book to tell a story, but not the story itself.

                  But yo []

                  • Yes, I did speculate about Katamari specific, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the name of the game that matters. I was merely pointing out the variability in games for the Nintendo Revolution... Of course, I made a mistake in posting Katamari, but we can dream, can't we? :-)
                • Re:After you're dead (Score:3, Informative)

                  by Rydia ( 556444 )
                  As long as it doesn't rely on or copy the other work so much as to be considered a derivative work. Or if the changes that were made were only superficial, purposefully to work around the copyright.
        • What if that one game that's awesome is in a genre you couldn't care less about? Super Mario 64 is a great platformer, but I hate platformers. Metroid and Zelda are great action-adventure titles, and guess what, I hate action-adventure games. There is no depth in any particular genre in Nintendo's library. You've got maybe a handful of good titles in any genre. Unless you're the kind of person you can pick up any type of game and enjoy playing it, or are the type of person who can play the same game over an
      • Variety (Score:3, Insightful)

        Quantity doesn't mean variety, though. For example, let's say a system gets five Madden NFL Football games. This is definitely at least some quantity. But it isn't any variety at all.

        On the other hand, a game library with 20 titles but no variety... well, I don't know what we can say about how much quantity it has, but regardless of the quality of the individual games, that isn't what I'd call a quality launch library. Variety effects quality directly, because most people get bored if they wind up having to
        • Re:Variety (Score:3, Insightful)

          by be-fan ( 61476 )
          My point was to compare the PS* libraries to the N64 and Gamecube libraries. With the N64 and beyond, Nintendo's mantra "was quality not quantity". For me, that meant a bunch of highly rated games (the Zelda series, the Mario series and its spin-offs, the Metroid series), that I had zero interest in playing. The PS*'s library is like the SNES's. You like arcade flight simulators? You've got a dozen to choose from. You like Japanese-style RPG? You have several dozen. You like first person shooters? Line them
      • Re:That's nice (Score:4, Interesting)

        by MikeBabcock ( 65886 ) <> on Monday April 10, 2006 @04:17PM (#15100909) Homepage Journal
        Well said.

        I've said it before and I'll say it again, nobody's forcing anyone to buy those crappy games that come out alongside or in between the good ones.

        For example, I'd dare say the PS2 has more "excellent" games than the XBox. Not just more games (that's indisputable) but more "excellent" rated games (according to actual players). Besides, I love that I can find the niche games I enjoy for the PS2 and my friends can play their sports games on their PS2s and we're both happy.

        If you like the games available on another platform, enjoy them. However, a huge library with a lot of variety is an excellent goal -- especially since console makers make most of their money from the licensing, not the console itself.

        I think there's at least 20 games still on my "definately want to play" list for the PS2 that I haven't got to yet.
        • I think there's at least 20 games still on my "definately want to play" list for the PS2 that I haven't got to yet.

          Exactly. I don't game much, but I just finished up Xenosaga II over the break. XSII wasn't a AAA game, but I'm a fan of the series and I enjoyed playing it quite a bit. Right now, I'm looking forward to playing some of the Shadow Hearts titles, of which I have two to catch up on before I get to the new one. Games like these don't come out for Nintendo consoles. Its as if everything is either a
    • Re:That's nice (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Dr. Eggman ( 932300 )
      ...And how many of them will be tweaked versions of old games on the Virtual Console.
    • Re:That's nice (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Chemical ( 49694 ) <> on Monday April 10, 2006 @05:22PM (#15101463) Homepage
      Actually, with the Revo's motion sensitive controller I feel it would be perfect for sports games. A baseball game where you swing the bat rather than press a button would be tremendously fun. A football game where you pass by making an overhand throwing motion towards the intended reciever would be much more interesting than pressing a button. A basketball game where you shoot by... well, you get the idea.
      • One thing I never saw mentioned, and which I am curious about... what if the controller flies out of your sweaty hands while swinging that bat? I wonder how many broken tv's, windows, or fish bowls will result from this and how long it'll be till someone sues Nintendo after being accidentally thrown a controller at their head.
        • I honestly can't see that happening. The controller is made of plastic. It probably weighs less than your average TV remote. You'd have to throw it pretty damn hard to break a TV. The controller would probably break first. Also if you're swinging it like a baseball bat and it slipped, it would likely fly away from the TV.

          Also, I've thrown plenty of controllers in my day out of frustration. Haven't broken anything yet, including the controller.

          • The controller would probably break first.
            One piece of information was missed. This controller, like N's previous ones, is made out of Nintanium. It's like titanium but a bit harder. It won't break :)
    • Xbox 360 had 26? Nope! The Xbox 360 had around ten or twelve available at launch.
  • Give me Super Smash Brothers Revolution at launch and between that and a Twilight Princess that uses the Revremote, I'll be satisfied till March!
    • Actually, I'd prefer to wait for a properly implemented Smash Bros. They just started the game last May. I'd hate for it to be imbalanced or broken in some way.

  • I don't know about anyone else here, but Mario Golf is by far my fave. Nintendo game... hopefully we will see a new version pop out after the Revolution release? :-)
    • Re:Mario Golf? (Score:3, Interesting)

      Supposedly, Albatross 18 [] is going to be a launch title for the Revolution. I don't know how well this game compares with Mario Golf, but I can say that it's taken its fair share of gaming hours from my roommate. Honestly, I came in once and saw him playing Albatross on one box and Oblivion on another. It's an addiction.
  • Swords. (Score:5, Funny)

    by Greggen ( 861152 ) on Monday April 10, 2006 @03:43PM (#15100634)

    This means about 20 developers thought "Hmm... that's a cool controller. Wouldn't it be cool if you could use it to swing a sword... or something."

    The games are:

    • Sword Fight
    • Sword Fight 2
    • Flying Swords
    • Zelda: Sword Fight
    • Mario: Sword Jump Super Sword!!!
    • ...
    • Sean Connery: Uh.. I'll take "Swords" for $400.

      Alex Trebek: It's actually not "Swords".. these are words that begin with "S". The answer is: "Popeye is this sort of man". [ Reynolds buzzes in ] Burt Reynolds.

      Burt Reynolds: What is.. Popeye?

      Alex Trebek: [ sighs ] No. [ Connery buzzes in ] Sean Connery. And, remember, these are words that begin with the letter "S", not "Swords".

      Sean Connery: [ bangs podium, thinking ] Saber!
    • That would be pretty sad if so.

      Don't people have imaginations anymore?

      I mean seriously.. Programmers and Gamers thinking there is nothing more to games than what we're doing now or have done in the past?

      Why don't we just give up on the space program, science and math and just concentrate on what we have now?

    • don't forget Happy Swords Dance Go Go Go! ...sadly, never released outside Japan :(
  • Actually, the Rev (and the PS3, for that matter) will start with the full library of GameCube games and whatever NES/SNES/N64/Sega/etc. games Nintendo wants to add backwards compatibility for.

    It's an exciting time :)
    • Maybe it's just me, but when the rev comes home with me, the first thing I play will not be Mario 3 from the NES. I want the new games that use the new controller! They can keep the classics, well, for the first month or two anyway. 20 titles sound good, better than the Game Cube launch anyway. Especially if they keep the promise of new releases often during the first year.
      • Absolutely! I'm definitely excited about the new controller, but I'm also excited about bringing home four systems (NES/SNES/N64/Rev, don't count the Cube because I already have one) instead of one.

        For the person who's getting the Revolution as their first system, they have loads of games that they might choose from to buy. That's what I was talking about.
        • Absolutely! I'm definitely excited about the new controller, but I'm also excited about bringing home four systems (NES/SNES/N64/Rev, don't count the Cube because I already have one) instead of one.

          Hey you forgot the Genesis and TG16! (no wait, OK maybe you can forget the TG16)
        • I'm also excited about bringing home SIX systems (NES/SNES/N64/Rev/Sega Genesis/TurboGrafx 16

          fixed that for you, its getting bigger and bigger! I cant wait! WHEE! ***Disclaimer, The last nintendo device I bought was a GameBoy Color and before that SNES, but the Revolution looks so awesome I can't wait*** I also have had WAAAY to much coffee, I can't feel my arm
          • I'm not flaming or anything, just actually curious. Where will all those games be saved to? In the game's RAM? Then the save game data is written a usb drive or flash card? Will we have to download the game to the systeme RAM everytime we want to play it? Or, will those be saved to a flash card as well?
            • Sorry, meant to say "in the system's RAM" and not "in the game's RAM." Also, system is spelled "system" not "systeme."
            • The Games will be saved to system's flash memory most likely. A half GB sould hold a good many NES games, as with the roms I had were at most 256K. Genesis games are pretty tiny too. I think the roms with the old games would fit nicely. If more space is needed, you could probably hook an external storage device using the Revoulution's USB ports. I would like to end this with a disclaimer that the details for the Revolution will not be released until E3 and likely will be leaked past then. Nintendo is
  • by MBraynard ( 653724 ) on Monday April 10, 2006 @03:56PM (#15100741) Journal

    I snaked this list off a power point presentation given at a recent conference to investors of the Big N. For just a few seconds we got a look at the long list but they flipped to the next slide to discuss all of the different colors the Revolution would be released in and spent about thirty minutes discussing that. Really odd, I thought.

    Anyway, after the presentation I went up to the machine hosting the presentation and move it onto my USB jump drive. Here is the list of the 20 awesome release games for the REvolution that will surely make it the greatest launch EVER:

    Mario Kart: Revolution!
    Mario Baseball: Revolution!
    Mario Tennis: Revolution!
    Mario Soccer: Revolution!
    Mario Golf: Revolution!
    Super Mario Strikers: Revolution!
    Mario Golf: Revolution!
    Mario Party 7: Revolution!
    Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix 2: Revolution!
    Mario Beach Volleyball: Revolution!
    Mario Versus Capcom Versus SNK: Revolution!
    Paper Mario: Revolution!
    Sunshine Mario: Revolution!
    Paper Sunshine Mario: Revolution!
    Mario Classic Arcade: Revolution!
    Wario Wrestling: Revolution!
    Mario En Espana: Revolutiones!
    Mario Bowling: Revolution!
    Mario World: Revolution!

    I cannot wait for revolution to come out. With a launch lineup like this they are going to annihilate the competition!

  • by LoverOfJoy ( 820058 ) on Monday April 10, 2006 @04:52PM (#15101202) Homepage
    Nintendo seems to put out a high ratio of high-quality fun games. If they are putting out a third of the games it wouldn't surprise me if they make as many great games as all the third party developers combined...maybe 4 great Nintendo-made games and 4 great third party games. If it comes out that way, I'd consider it a great signal-to-noise ratio compared to others systems. I don't think most people would spend money for more games than that at launch if they really are great games that don't get dull fast. Then if you add in all the old favorites that are downloadable and you've really got staying power.

Ya'll hear about the geometer who went to the beach to catch some rays and became a tangent ?