PS3 Delay To Have Little Impact? 79
According to analyst firm Strategy Analytics, the PS3's delay is unlikely to have much of an effect on the next-gen race, reports GameDailyBiz. From the article: "While 2006 sales will clearly fall short of previous expectations, Strategy Analytics maintains its previous forecast of PS3 sales of 121.8 million units through 2012 ... This compares to expected sales of Microsoft's Xbox 360 of 58.8 million units over the same period." Gamasutra reports that, from Steve Ballmer's perspective, the opposite is true. From that article: "In every other generation, the first guy to 10 million consoles was the number one seller in the generation ... Did we just get an even better opportunity to be the first guy to 10 million? Yeah, of course we did." This all assumes the console launches this year.
delay, shmelay (Score:1, Insightful)
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Seems redundant to me.
PS3 will also compete with MS Vista and HDTV (Score:3, Interesting)
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installed user base (Score:4, Insightful)
the ps3 will do well. how well the 360 does isn't dependent on what Sony does, more on what microsoft does. they have been marketing the 360 poorly in my opinion, thus limiting the reach of the console.
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Nintendo's and Sega's failures all were starting from scratch, the large userbase from the previous generation didn't help them an itch.
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History can repeat itself, though... (Score:5, Insightful)
My point is, at some point in time, the "popular" brand of systems always falls. Atari, Nintendo (and Sega?), and Sony's time will eventually come... It might not happen with the PS3, but the important thing to remember is that can happen, and eventually will. All empires are eventually toppled.
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The big Playstation logo on the front, mainly. It is probably sufficient.
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Why do you need 2 HDTVs to use 2 screens? (huh?) AFAIK, the PS3 will have a VGA and/or DVI port, so the most common scenario would be HDTV for player 1 and computer screen for player 2 - or both screens for one player for games that support it. Even if the players have to play on differently sized screens (which may give one player a small advantage) it beats splitscreen by a longshot. Also for flight simulators you could have the landscape on
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Sony messing up isn't the only way for them to lose poll position. The console that is considered market leader is the console that has the largest install base, so to speak. In the short term, I'd agree with you that Sony has very little to worry about, the PS3 will sell well on pure hype alone. But for the long term hype won't be sufficient. The only thing that can guarantee the largest install base is 'Killer Games'.
While it is not completely straight forward, the console that has the best 'killer games
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I've been playing video games for over 20 years. I've played systems from the Atari 2600 and Intellivision era through the current console generation. I've been playing PC games since my first 8088. I've played every genre. I am very good at games. I consider myself as hardcore as they come.
But I'm bored to tears with what most people consider 'hardcore' games. Seriously, fuck every FPS from now until infinity until someone introduces something *new*. Fuck every sports and racing sim out there. Fuck every "line up 3 and they disappear'" puzzle game. Stealth action games can go to hell -- new ways to hide and/or be detected ain't a new game, nor is a new (usually stupid, tired, cliched -- thank you Tom Clancy!) story. 1-on-1 Fighting games are getting extremely tired (I pumped hundreds of dollars into Mortal Kombat machines over 10 years ago).
In the last generation, I could probably count the number of unique, interesting games on my fingers. All these moron 10-18 year olds who think they're "so hardcore!" are just playing new versions of the same stuff that I mastered in the '80s and '90s.
I think that any truly hardcore gamer is probably as bored as I am with what's out there and wants something new to try. I'm not talking about high resolution or 5.1 surround, either -- those are nice, and I certainly enjoy a polished presentation as much as the next guy -- but the only next-gen system I'm really interested in (and that includes my gaming PC) is the Revolution. Everything else is just more of the same.
--Jeremy
Re:History can repeat itself, though... (Score:3, Insightful)
I do share some things with the gamers though in that I'm very interested in seeing what kind of raw processing power can put put into these consumer machines. They want them for games and I want them for doing my own little interesting projects on.
The Revolution may innovate in the controller and basic gameplay pre
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"Revolution will play all of your favorite Nintendo GameCube games, and deliver downloadable access to 20 years of fan-favorite titles originally released for Nintendo 64, the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) and even the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)."
Yeah, it really sounds like they are innovating here.
Do you know anything at all about the Revolution, except for the old games and the new controller?
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so far we know little next to nothing about the revolution. i want details. i want games. i want screenshots.
i bl
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By comparison, there are many players who express that the 360 isn't that great. They say the graphics are good but don't look like the next-gen. They certainly aren't anywhere near the leap from 16
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However, the original PS was able to offer something that was not available (aside from a couple of cartridges with auxiliary processors) in previous generations--3D polygon graphics, making possible completely new game designs. But there are no further quantum leaps to offer. From here on in, all new systems have to offer is a bit more polish.
Re:installed user base (Score:1)
Most (emphasis on most) PS2 owners will not purchase a new gaming system until mid to late 2007. That is the main reason the delay is inconsequential. For the greater majority of home console owners, the number of games already out or sufficient for them. The hardcore gamers are the only ones who A) will purchase a new system early in it's lifespan, B) are loyal enough to a particular brand to disregard the experience offered by a competitor. Aside from the early rush for Christmas
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121.8 and 58.8? Bah! (Score:4, Insightful)
By my calculations, it's 121.6 (they must have forgotten to take into account leap year, tax increases, etc).
How can somebody make predictions on the sale of a new piece of technology, projecting 6 years into the future, and to be so arrogant that they use the tenth's decimal place to make their forecast? Whatever...
Re:121.8 and 58.8? Bah! (Score:2, Insightful)
Both are wrong. (Score:2, Insightful)
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In order to do that, though, Microsoft will have to release some actual games that aren't just PC ports or short flash-game-on-steroids one-offs.
Moreover, these games will have to be more interesting and attention-grabbing than Kingdom Hearts 2 or Final Fantasy 12, which is what people who stick with their PS2 have to look forward to in the period between now and the PS3.
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Re:Both are wrong. (Score:1)
I think the PS3 and the Revolution are going to offer a lot more to bringing in the Next Generation than the Xbox360 has managed. Maybe the next 6 mo or so of games for the 360 may change that, but I don't see that. (Oblivion may be one, but I think the people who w
Re:Both are wrong. (Score:1)
In terms of what? The next gen of video games is clearly about being able to download games, and that is what they are doing with Live. Graphics? Bah, who cares. If you look at the trends for all the future consoles, it is online connectivty and the ability to download games. I think you are right though, they could do a lot more to show off Live, that's wher
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the fact that sony has not seemed to be slacking off on titles either says alot. the releases slated for this year seem to show that inspite of a new console due this year, they are still committing to solid titles [read: sequels] for ps2. MGS: subsistence, kingdom hearts2, final fantasy12, god of war2... even nintendo has the new zelda title on its way
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Lots of People Want Sequels (Score:2)
Sadly, since i love all of those games i'm one of them. Unless the 360 gains a ton of games of genres i like along with a universal amount of glowing reviews for a few of these games I won't touch the thing. I dont' even give a flying craphole about upgraded graphics. I don't even have hdtv so i won't be able to see the details in baby snake's feces. Although my proje
Re:Both are wrong. (Score:2)
In 2006, maybe.
But what about 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?
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Assuming the PS3 is out by then, we will have to see. I do not think Balmer was correct about the first to 10 million consoles sold, but obviously the console with the most consoles out will get the majority of games out there. Note that majority does not mean best.
Replacements (Score:2, Interesting)
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Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. I would be *very* surprised if more than 10% of the PS2s out there were sold as replacements.... at least because of damage. More people than that might have bought a replacement to get the new slim version. Same goes for the Xbox and the Gamecube.
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How do you tell if they own their own personal PS2? What if they have multiple PS2s in different locations (1 at home, 1 at college)? What about people who have 'access' to a PS2, but doesn't play? (Read: parents who still think video games are for kids)
Trying to gauge a userbase beyond sales is simply too complicated and contraversial. Heck, if you argue it enough, you can claim all video game console userbases are at le
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That was exactly my point.
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Of course, if
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1) getting it replaced under warranty
1a) paying to get it replaced outside of warranty
2) getting upset and buying a rival system
3) buying an used system
its hard to believe you mister anonymous coward. you mean to tell me that in the last five or so years, your ps2s conveniently broke outside of war
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Most people wont bother attempting to fix anything themselves, theyd much rather write it off as a loss and b
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Price? (Score:1)
Bigger Impact (Score:1)
Wow, 121.8 million units? Not in this decade. (Score:2)
I almost laughed at him, but then I realized: he doesn't care about fancy TRMSAA or Angle-dependent