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musicon writes "Nigel Cunningham, the creator of the Suspend2 software suspend system for Linux announced his retirement from the project in a message to the Linux Kenel Mailing List. 'Users of Suspend2 can rest assured that I will not allow the patches to suffer bitrot. I will be continuing to use them myself, and will therefore have the best of incentives to keep them up-to-date [...] I won't, however, be making any sort of concerted effort at getting them merged into the vanilla kernel [...] I don't see the point to doing anything but maintaining the patches as they stand.'"
for the lazy.... (Score:4, Informative)
I'm delighted to announce that I've accepted a call to serve a congregation in
Victoria, Australia, as a Home Missionary elder. As a result, some time in
the next month or two, I will stop working for Cyclades and make the move.
Users of Suspend2 can rest assured that I will not allow the patches to suffer
bitrot. I will be continuing to use them myself, and will therefore have the
best of incentives to keep them up-to-date.
Now for the downside: I won't, however, be making any sort of concerted effort
at getting them merged into the vanilla kernel after my move, and am not
inclined to make a big effort beforehand. Recent discussions on LKML clearly
showed that Pavel doesn't want to see them merged, and I didn't see much in
the way of other kernel developers expressing a desire contrary to Pavel's
wishes. I don't want to waste my time and effort, so I don't see the point to
doing anything but maintaining the patches as they stand.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Cyclades for their employment and
support of the project.
Regards,
Nigel
Re:for the lazy.... (Score:2)
Oh yeah, like none of us have ever used that lame old excuse.
-Eric
Awww!!! (Score:2)
Is there an alternative to it that might actually be part of the kernel eventually and not a maintained patchset?
Re:Awww!!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Home Missionary elder? (Score:4, Insightful)
According to TFA he is going to be some sort of Home Missionary elder. He seems to be about 200 years too late. All the missionaries left years ago. At least I thought so...hope so.
Now I don't want to be rude but what we really do need here in Victoria, Australia is good software engineers and I can think right now of a spot for him a couple of cubes across from me where his knowledge of linux kernel internals could be put to good use.
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:4, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Jesus_Chri
They're about the only people I know that use the words home, missionary, and elder in the same sentence. I currently reside in Salt Lake City, Utah, or as I like to call it, the mothership of the LDS church; as such I get to witness this "culture". It's unlikely these missionaries will ever leave Australia unless A. Your goverment passes laws prohibiting their presence (China) or B. Numbers of them start getting killed (certain parts of the U.S.). And something tells me the First Presidency would disagree with your religion vs. technology assesment.
Re:Please stay in Utah (Score:2)
"Total freedom" ends whether that of others begins (Score:2)
In other words, "total freedom" has inherent boundaries, which are the equal freedoms of others who possess the same freedom.
Saying that "total freedom" goes further and has no boundaries is either blinkered or just playing with words, because it denies that your concept of freedom
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:3, Informative)
I think he's talking LDS AKA Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints AKA Mormon. They're about the only people I know that use the words home, missionary, and elder in the same sentence.
I'm Mormon, and was a missionary, and the LDS Church has no such thing as "Home Missionary elder". We have full-time missionaries, both young (ages 19-25 or so) and old (retired couples), and Home Teachers, who visit members of the Church in their own areas, and various Ward Missionaries and Stake Missionaries, who
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:3, Insightful)
Funny how someone that lives in Salt Lake City and claims to know so much about the LDS church could get it so wrong.
What really BUGS the daylights out of me is why do people think they have the right to say he sho
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:1)
That's all fine and dandy until you hit a die-hard darwinist such as myself who thinks drug addicts should deal with their own goddamned problems. I did, and I have no pity for the weak. If you don't have the brains nor willpower to get out of your own hell, then you're better off as compost to fertilize my lawn.
Hope is humankind's greatest blunder.
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:2)
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:1)
Whoa there Morpheus! breeding partner ? This isn't the discovery channel, and if being a hardass means I can have a drink without gold diggers littering my personal space then I'm even happier!
I see people as investments on a holistic scale. If you put time, effort, money (which really are all the same) into someone that's not likely to pay it back (or forward), then it's a poor invest
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:2)
If your gold diggers do not carry your children to term and or do not raise them so that they are attractive to other as mates you are a failure. It is that simple.
That is a truly darwinist view.
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:2)
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:1)
Well, persistance can be seen as pushy. And, ye Gods, are you Mormons persistent.
Well, sure. At least up until the point that you say you're not interested and close the door. Of course, the next set of missionaries assigned to your area won't have any idea that the previous set talked to you, and probably wouldn't do anything different even if they did. After all, you might have changed your mind. Missionaries work about 12 hours per day, 6.5 days per week and they have a specific area to work in.
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:1)
He is LDS (Score:1)
http://willden.org/Histories/histories.html [willden.org]
All Mormon missionaries are Elders (except for rare female missionaries). Ward and Stake Missionaries are often referred to as Home Missionaries. So calling himself a "home missionary elder" isn't incorrect.
The phrase "Home Missionary" has broader meaning within Christendom, particularly in Restorationist sects (Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism, Jehovah's Witness, Church of Christ, and many others that came out of the Restorationi
Re:He is LDS (Score:2)
See his family history page here: http://willden.org/Histories/histories.html [willden.org]
Those are *my* family histories, not Nigel Cunningham's. :-) Bleah... I *really* need to fix those pages...
Ward and Stake Missionaries are often referred to as Home Missionaries. So calling himself a "home missionary elder" isn't incorrect.
I've never heard ward and stake missionaries referred to as home missionaries. I suppose it's possible, though. However, ward and stake missionaries do not change jobs or relocate to
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:1)
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:2)
When I lived there, we called it "Living behind the Zion curtain"...
And when ZCMI [wikipedia.org] still existed, we called it Zion's Collection of Mormon Idiots.
Go ahead
Re:Home Missionary elder? (Score:2)
Definitely. The only religious kids around in this part of the world (I live in Geelong, Vic, Aus) these days are those whose parents make them, other that, its either slightly-"I believe in a superior being but will never read the bible" religious or at
Home Missionary is not a job (Score:1)
The Mormon church is a "lay church"; i.e., it is run by the congregation, there is no paid clergy or leadership. There are leadership roles, of course, but they're not paid is the thing. There aren't really any "clergy" roles, though. The closest thing to clergy is the Bishop, but he's more of a manager/officiator fo
Tragedy (Score:5, Interesting)
It takes almost two minutes to hibernate my Thinkpad with 512 MB RAM when running Ubuntu, while Windows takes about 15 seconds. Additionally, it does crash every now and then.
Re:Tragedy (Score:1)
Wierd, I can suspend my thinkpad T43 in about 30 seconds.
Tragedy? (Score:1)
Re:Tragedy (Score:3, Interesting)
I know hibernation exists in Windows, but OS X?
Can you please enlighten me, since I've totally missed this feature in OS X
I hope you're not talking about Safe Sleep [andrewescobar.com], which is only available in the newer Powerbooks and is not the same thing as hibernation (well, it works the same, but only works on the Powerbooks, where as hibernate works on any Windows PC)
Re:Tragedy (Score:1)
Re:Tragedy (Score:1, Informative)
SuspendNow [altervista.org] software is useful too, so you can hibernate on demand.
Re:Tragedy (Score:2)
i'm running standard ACPI suspend on a Fujitsu-Siemens S7010 laptop, and suspend at least twice each day (on the way to work and on the way home). Now, despite this:
bb@pepper:~$ uptime
12:43:07 up 18 days, 22:02, 5 users, load average: 0.32, 0.39, 0.32
bb@pepper:~$ uname -a
Linux pepper 2.6.15 #3 PREEMPT Fri Jan 27 11:25:50 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
And this is with USB, Wireless, audio, 3D graphics and a multitude of other modules and features, so I consider it to be pretty impressive
Re:Tragedy (Score:3, Interesting)
In Windows there is little reason to use suspend to ram, because suspend to disk is so damn fast (10 seconds down, 15-20 seconds up), and while suspended the laptop uses *0* power.
Like the parent said - suspend to disk in Linux is not in a good state right now. When it *does* work, it does so very slowly. When it *doesn't* work, it's a disaster and sometimes leaves your system in such a weird state you need to hard reboot and fsck your drives.
And don't even think about using it
Re:Tragedy (Score:2)
Re:Tragedy (Score:1)
I know the feeling, sometimes my Windows crashes too every now and then when I try to hibernate...
Oh, wait...
Re:Tragedy (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Tragedy (Score:1)
Re:Tragedy (Score:2)
1. It doesn't work all that well in Windows. My IBM Thinkpad has failed to come out of hibernation more than once.
2. What victim? No one makes you use Linux it is a choice. It isn't like Windows where you almost have to buy it if you want a ""Why doesn't it work yet?" is a perfectly reasonable question for a common user to ask." Yep and the answer is that it isn't important enough to enough peop
the problem isn't Linux (Score:2)
I also don't share your rosy views of suspend and hibernate on other platforms. On my Powerbook, there is no hibernate at all (although you can ap
What are the alternatives? (Score:3, Interesting)
I've compiled 2.6.15.4 kernel and the latest version of Suspend2 is for the 2.6.15.1 version. And now I am not even sure whether the patch is coming in a next month or it isn't coming at all.
Gee, I have to turn it off all the time.
Re:What are the alternatives? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:What are the alternatives? (Score:1)
Distributions responsibility (Score:3, Interesting)
1. Download Ubuntu kernel sources /etc and other areas - config files galore!
2. Apply a patch-set
3. Recompile the kernel and install the kernel
4. And some other stuff I forgot - involving messing around in
Now I havent tried it with Breezy, but I am pretty sure there is no .deb/script on UbuntuForums.
Why can't the disto's simply give the user Suspend2 fully integrated in their repective kernels?
Surely not stability issues, because it was bug-free for me. Even a simple choice would be miles better than what the current situation. The distro makers have dropped the ball, let's see them pick it up.
Oh wait - I just said that Ubuntu et al. is not perfect! Goodbye, karma.
Re:Distributions responsibility (Score:1)
I run OpenSUSE 10.0, to suspend, I go log out->suspend....
done.
Re:Distributions responsibility (Score:2)
I think the parent poster needs to upgrade
Re:Distributions responsibility (Score:2)
Re:Distributions responsibility (Score:2)
Anyway, I just tried Hibernate, and it works, too. Ubuntu 5.10, nothing special done to make it work, it just does.
This is sad... (Score:1)
Re:This is sad... (Score:2)
Is there some sort of licensing issue with swsusp2?
Otherwise, I would have asked if there's any problem with someone else trying to push swsusp2 into the vanilla kernel. After all, the source is out there, isn't it? I haven't followed this in full detail, but I glanced occasionally at the threads.
I'm not resigning. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I'm not resigning. (Score:1)
I use suspend2 every day. It works fantastically well for me so congratulations on that. Your hard work has been _very_ much appreciated. I was hoping it would someday make it's way into the mainline kernel to replace the awful existing implementation. Perhaps the project is in need a new lead maintainer?
Lets hope this is still the beginning for suspend2!
Re:I'm not resigning. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I'm not resigning. (Score:2)
Re:I'm not resigning. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:I'm not resigning. (Score:2)
Suspend2 is indeed quite mature and while I wish it was merged in the mainline patching is so easy it doesn't really matter.
These days suspend2 has been fast, reliable, and even pretty with the fbsplash stuff. I would count it among the most perfectly working things on my laptop.
Misleading subject (Score:5, Informative)
- suspend2 project is not suspended
- Nigel Cunningam will keep working on it
- it's only inclusion in vanilla kernel (mainline) which is unclear
Trying to make puns in subjects is not always a good idead...
Re:Misleading subject (Score:2)
- suspend2 project is not suspended
- Nigel Cunningam will keep working on it
- it's only inclusion in vanilla kernel (mainline) which is unclear
No, it is suspended. If it weren't suspended he would try to further the project. Instead he's going to maintain the patches at their current status --> No new features, no new hardware bug fixes. If it doesn't work for you now, it still won't so don't bother waiting.
He's going to update the patch to work with new kernels and that
Re:Misleading subject (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Misleading subject (Score:1)
I'd say it is unfair for suspend2 not to be included in the vanilla kernel and I'd use a subject that is more offensive towards the kernel developers because we have so many other features in there but not this one that is really great, really working and almost ready for shipping in the kernel.
Such a behaviour from kernel maintainers would make any developer be dissapointed and not wanting to throw in more energy in his project.
That's fine. (Score:4, Interesting)
The correct answer is something like outlined here [lwn.net]: " If you want my cheerfully uninformed opinion, we should toss both of them out and implement suspend3, which is based on the exec/kdump infrastructure. There's so much duplication of intent here that it's not funny."
You just have to reserve memory for a dump kernel. It's a much better trade off than making the scheduler stupid (suspend1), and keeps your kernel conceptually much simpler than a fancy kernel internal API (suspend2).
Re:That's fine. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Whiners... (Score:2)
Re:Whiners... (Score:1)
Nobody's complaining about how suspend2 isn't going kernel, they're saying, from what I see, suspend1 sucks, suspend2 sucks too but not as bad, and something should be done at the kernel level.