Mobil SpeedPass, Various Car RFID Car Keys Cracked 240
44BSD writes "Crypto-enabled RFID products, including Mobil SpeedPass and various car keys, have been defeated utterly by Avi Rubin, et. al. Details are at rfidanalysis.org. An academic paper is also available."
CmdrTaco Cracked, Various Slashdot Editors Duped (Score:4, Informative)
The best part of subscribing to Slashdot is watching CmdrTaco post multiple duplicates in a row, then giving up and posting a dupe anyway. Before this story, a dupe of the Super Bowl
Hey Taco, when's the last time you read your own site? Oh wait, why am I asking, you'll never see this.
Re:CmdrTaco Cracked, Various Slashdot Editors Dupe (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:CmdrTaco Cracked, Various Slashdot Editors Dupe (Score:2, Insightful)
Maybe if the editors were doing their JOBS that they get PAID FOR, they'd have recognized this fact and only let one story through--the one that would best meet the expectations of their audience.
Oh wait, we don't have any expectations, because they behave like morons 90% of the time.
Re:CmdrTaco Cracked, Various Slashdot Editors Dupe (Score:2)
Techies can be so bloody whiny about their free content...
Re:CmdrTaco Cracked, Various Slashdot Editors Dupe (Score:2)
The best part of subscribing to Slashdot is watching CmdrTaco post multiple duplicates in a row...
Actually, what's even better is getting a chance to re-read a great article. Sort of like a good book.
Ok, well, maybe not.
Dupe... (Score:4, Informative)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Dupe... (Score:2)
Dupe-dopey mods... (Score:2)
Re:Dupe... (Score:2, Interesting)
Actually, the Times story, which I wrote, came out at the same time as the RFID report from Hopkins was revealed.
I'm defeated too (Score:3, Funny)
Damn it. I feel so inferior. My car keys defeat me as soon as I put them down, and suddenly they're not there anymore.
It's a conspiracy I tell you!
Well... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Well... (Score:3, Interesting)
Pop the lock cylinder, insert screwdriver, turn, drive away.
Before the first time I had to do it, I could have sworn it was impossible to lose a key in 1" of fresh-fallen snow.
Thing is... (Score:2)
I suspect that even with the immobiliser key fob, you would have a bit of work to do to get the car started. Bear in mind that you have to get into the car without setting the alarm off, which locks out the engine management ECU on most cars. Then, possibly with the alarm going off, you have to get the steering unlocked (tampering with the lock will usually just jam the bolt in place), reset the ECU, get the car started,
Re:Thing is... (Score:3, Insightful)
After about a month of alarms going off in the dead of night, no one bats an eye at hearing one anymore.
True enough... (Score:2)
Re:True enough... (Score:2)
Re:True enough... (Score:3, Insightful)
But... if the brake light isn't on... there won't be any power flowing to it.
Re:True enough... (Score:2)
This also explains turn-signal or running lights that go "funky" - lights that are always half-on - there's a short to ground somewhere, allowing them to light up even when the turn signal isn't operating.
I don't think that would work. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I don't think that would work. (Score:2)
You're not completing the circuit between the brake light switch and battery in cases like this - you've bypassed it (and the fuse that protects it) completely. Ask yor local car thief or cop specializing in auto theft for a demonstration.
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Re:Well... (Score:2)
... and never believe the mileage on a used vehicle without first checking for wear and tear that doesn't match what you're looking at. And NEVER look at a car at night. You might miss some of
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Re:Well... (Score:3, Interesting)
Keys in van, van running, close to quitting time, and getting dark fast.
So, 1 big screw-driver, 2 wooden shims, 1 coat-hanger wire and some cursing later, I can turn the engine off.
The quickest;
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Oh well, I have almost no concern my Prius will get stolen. Possibly broken-into (though I'm careful to never leave anything visible inside it), but not stolen.
N.
Re:Well... (Score:2)
If 64 bit is the 'stronger' version of the encryption I'm surprised that the regular version lasted as long as it did. Given a sufficent sample size and enough caffeine in my system I can occasionally crack 16 bit encryption in my head (using simple heuristic pattern matching; and it helps to know what I'm looking for.)
Re:Well... (Score:2)
Great use for RFID (Score:3, Funny)
Sad. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sad. (Score:2)
And I am willing to bet that top ppl are surprised.
I'm willing to bet they aren't. The system only has a very limited key length (40 bits) and anyone with half a lick of knowledge knows that a 40 bit key is vulnerable to offline brute force cracking.
My guess is they knew the system could be pretty esily cracked, but combined with the very short range of RFID (I believe the researchers captured the key data on the order of several inches) it wasn't considered a major vulnerability.
Re:Sad. (Score:3, Interesting)
Most Likely A Load Of Shit (Score:2)
Re:Most Likely A Load Of Shit (Score:2)
Well, the researchers discovered that the proprietary cipher that underlies the system is pretty lousy -- it's not particularly fast, and it may have structural flaws. You don't have to be a "chimp" to construct a bad cipher, but ignoring something like AES or the many other peer-reviewed ciphers is pretty dumb.
Re:Sad. (Score:2)
They just brute forced it. Thats not called cracking. Windows has numbers you can enter to authorize it. We don't call it cracked when you 'brute force' your way into ONE of those numbers, we call it cracked when you can generate them at will.
Re:Sad. (Score:4, Insightful)
Speedpasses are not there for the benefit of the consumer, any more than the uscan at the supermarket.
There's a debatable benefit for the key bugs for your car ignition - debatable because anyone can still steal/strip your car, and it gives people a false sense of security, as well as adding another layer to "what can go wrong now"...
Speaking of which - Pontiac anti-theft radios. Leave your headlights on overnight, and you can't get a jump-start, because you have to re-code the radio first. Try that at -30 (and no, it wasn't me).
Re:Sad. (Score:2)
I'm sure you do much prefer standing in line at a cashier's counter behind the guy who's digging through is pocket for the extra twelve cents he needs to pay for the gas he just bought. Or, waiting, while the cashier swipes your card, prints the receipt, digs for a pen that three people with Sars have handled that day... I like the SpeedPass because it actually does save me time during my commutes and
Re:Sad. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Sad. (Score:2)
So if your battery goes dead, you can't jump-start the car. You have to charge up the battery, then call the dealer and enter a code through the radio fron panel (or connect a radio whose code you already have, and enter THAT radio's code).
Re:Sad. (Score:2)
Thanks for your post...it was interesting to learn about this.
Re:Sad. (Score:2)
(Damn 20-second rule inhibits posting a simple thank-you note - they should fix that, or at least realize that some of us are touch-typists)
Re:Not True (Score:2)
I've seen this happen to about a half-dozen Cavaliers and Sunfires (1998-2002 IIRC).
Illegal under DMCA? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Illegal under DMCA? (Score:2)
Re:Illegal under DMCA? (Score:2)
Bye-Bye Karma (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
Part of outrage is that it makes it clear that the editors don't bother to read the very "new accumulator" the work on. I sometimes miss a day or two worth of articles, but it's not my job-- they're paid to be editors. They're the only o
Off-Topic: Redundant (Score:2)
It also goads future postings into becoming poorly-edited, formulaic, nonsense as long as it can be posted quickly.
Quod erat demonstrandum
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
That would imply that they read the articles in the first place.
I mean, it's not really hurting you that it's there...and some of us didn't see the first one, but see the second one. It just doesn't seem worth complaining over.
What sucks is that it:
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
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Life is too short to proofread.
Irony (n): Signing off with a sig which is in direct contrast to your main argument...
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
"I'm probably going to get modded into oblivion for saying this.... But why don't people just not read dupes? I mean, it's not really hurting you that it's there...and some of us didn't see the first one, but see the second one. It just doesn't seem worth complaining over. "
I don't subscribe, so this is just a guess, but dupes count against your account. IIRC, you get n number of premium posts for x number of dollars and so dupes are useless posts you get charged for.
Again, that's just a gue
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
They have computers. Plug "RFID" into Slashdot's search [slashdot.org] and you find recent articles, including the dupe, at #3. And as for why it's annoying: this is not a hobby site, these guys earn big bucks and sell lots of advertising, and they're paid to be "editors". Being one, I know I would have been fired long ago if I fucked up as often as these guys. But they have no oversight, except us; we can't fire them but can hope to embarrass them a bit in the faint hop
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
Re:Bye-Bye Karma (Score:2)
First author (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:First author (Score:2)
I've published 6 journal articles and a couple of book chapters, in fields ranging from mathematical biology to physics to philosophy, so I know enough to get by.
Refer to them in what context? When publishing a paper in a journal, when you reference another paper with 3 or more authors, you cite it as "Foo et al" where Fo
DON'T NEED A CAR KEY (Score:2, Interesting)
Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:5, Informative)
Mercedes overhauled security, rather than tacking on a secure by being obscure layer to the existing crackable standard - TI Immobilizer systems don't require advanced physical access, just proximity to the key at least an hour before the moment of a heist. Even worse, once the key is cracked it won't change either, so criminals can wait to strike and further avoid notice. Just wait till a tiny RFID scanner and a usable cracking program show up in the black market. A laid off engineer has too much potential to make dough with the ideas that have been released. The program could even do distributed processing on a broadcast LAN or via P2P.
Now someone is probably going to point out that they'll be laughing when the fancy Mercedes key runs out of batteries and leaves its owner stranded, but this isn't the case. The key can receive power from the car despite not having any visible metal contacts - likely because there is a coil embedded in the plastic key that will get power inductively when the key is inserted - without any wires [slashdot.org]. It's news on slashdot, but it's been shipping since 1997, and much longer before that for other applications.
As if that weren't it, the key doubles as an RF remote for locking/unlocking doors, popping the trunk, and a panic function. But wait there's more - the IR transciever portion of the key, when aimed at the driver door can open, close, or place anywhere in between all the side windows and sunroof at once. Great for getting into the car on a hot day or sealing up all the windows as you leave. Impressive what they they've put usably into a key, albeit oversized.
Finally, despite using a radically different model, Mercedes cleverly applied the familiar form and usage pattern of the existing standard to bridge it with the new one - a nice touch for user comfort without any compromise to security. Well engineered indeed.
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:2)
aka What happens when person A uses car with key A, then person B uses car with Key B, is person B locked out?
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:2)
I completely agree with everything you've written here. Their IR keys are an enormous convenience. If the batteries fail, the door locks can also be manually actuated. There is a traditional blade embedded within the key that probably contributes significantly to the "excessive size."
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:2)
> laughing when the fancy Mercedes key runs out of batteries
> and leaves its owner stranded, but this isn't the case.
No, they'll be laughing when the said Mercedes' security system malfunctions and the car doors continuously unlock despite the fact that the owner locked them less than two minutes before. Then the alarm goes off repeatedly. And the Tele Aid [mbusa.com] system calls the Mercedes call center who then calls the owner to ask if anything's
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:2)
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:2)
And they apparently lack the common sense to pull the battery while disabling the stupid thing. Gotta love under-qualified technicians working on your expensive stuff.
Re:Mercedes electronic...useless (Score:2)
The point is this:
If somone wants to steal your car. They are going to steal your car.
It is fairly rare to have a car stolen for "joy riding" now a days... It is much more common for cars to be stolen for parts or to be shipped overseas.
Either of these scenerios imply that criminals are looking for a specific model, meaning they will know how to bypass any stock security systems. Or they will just throw the $10
PSA: Transponder Keys for YOUR Car: $20 on Ebay (Score:5, Informative)
Toyota wanted $45 for the blank. And $95 to "program the key for the car". My brother has a Mitsubishi, they wanted even more.
It turns out that if you can obtain a blank, you can usually program your car yourself to accept the key.
And it turns out that there is a very nice market for these key blanks on ebay. Search for transponder key and your vehicle's make and model. The going rate is about $20.00 and the key blanks usually come with all the instructions you need.
I bought two blanks for $40, and three days and 20 minutes later I had three working keys for my Toyota saving me over $200 from what the dealer wanted.
Re:PSA: Transponder Keys for YOUR Car: $20 on Ebay (Score:2)
and the problem with U cut keys is that theyre near impossible to have a cheap "spare" to keep in your wallet just to open the doors when you lock the keys in the car.
Re:Mercedes electronic keys - a good design (Score:2)
The most interesting thing about this work... (Score:5, Informative)
Reverse-engineering can be easy enough when you have some assembly code or a piece of hardware, but these guys figured out the internals just by looking at input/output pairs. (OK, they had a rough description of the design, but it was lacking almost all details and was even inaccurate in places.)
That's really clever -- and really underscores the idea that "security through obscurity" tends to fail terribly. (TI probably thought that the use of a proprietary cipher provided a lot of security, so they didn't worry so much about key length. Foolish, but common, reasoning.)
Re:The most interesting thing about this work... (Score:2)
I can already hear screams of `what do you want the cipher for? Are you going to steal cars and get free gas?' No. But using this excuse, researchers can prevent me and others from implementing a faster attack, or even finding an attack of smaller complexity -- this is a Feistel cipher, so it shares some structure with DES and thus some similar attacks (linear, differential cryptanalysis) mi
Re:The most interesting thing about this work... (Score:2)
And you're right to say so -- in fact, the paper mentions that the cipher may have some structural weaknesses, so it's legitimate to want to know the details.
My guess is that if you asked the authors for the full spec, y
Tinfoil (Score:3, Funny)
Mobil (Score:4, Informative)
So? (Score:2)
Re:So? (Score:2)
Sweet bouncing feathery Jesus, what got up your ass? I just made a fucking observation that Mobil has added a layer of security. I wasn't complaining about anything.
Re:So? (Score:2)
Dashboard toy / air freshener?
Re:So? (Score:2)
~Potomus
40 bit keys and complexity (Score:2, Interesting)
I know vaguely how CPUs do these sort of calculations, but how do you HARD wire a system to do that on so little energy ?
Do the energy requirements go up w/ keysize ? The complexity of the circuits?
Do these things have some sort of static flash ROM ?
40 bit Key? (Score:3, Interesting)
I know that encryption isn't that important when true physical contact is involved (such as most credit cards, which have no encryption protection but are starting to get some with smartcards) but when it comes down to something that basicially broadcasts a credit card number, you would think that mobil would be a bit more concerned about it.
If I had a mobil speedpass I would be concerned, since a small device placed on top of a gas pump could easily passive eavesdrop on your speedpass and pass that information to would be criminals.
The car key, although just as disturbing, isn't as important to have a strong key since it would involve way too much work to basicially steal one car. To do it you would have to somehow read the signal from the key by bumping into the person leaving the car to active scan their rfid signal, (passive eavesdropping would not work well since it only sends the signal at startup when the person's going to be driving away) Decode it, and then use it to start the car once you bypass the physical key. It would be much easier and faster to steal a car without an immobilization system then to bypass it.
Re:40 bit Key? (Score:2)
Because they're cheap, lazy, and blind. Like all companies.
Re:40 bit Key? (Score:2)
Does it matter that the Speedpass isn't totally secure, if it's more secure then the other ways of paying? I mean sure, you can put some sort of reader on top of a pump and intercept Speedpass codes and break the system and steal some gas. But if you want to steal some gas, why not just fill up and drive off? Or pass a hot check? Or make a counterfeit credit card that'll pass through the card reader?
Re:40 bit Key? (Score:2)
Re:40 bit Key? (Score:2, Interesting)
Title. (Score:3, Funny)
This a dupe article dupe!
The encryption method (Score:2)
Re:The encryption method (Score:2)
The paper is the detail, the article is just the marketing.
Toll passes? (Score:2, Interesting)
Chris
http://www.freeminimacs.com/?r=14620338 [freeminimacs.com]
DOH (Score:2)
Sorry to have submitted a dupe. I don't read the NYT, and I saw this via a somewhat esoteric web site, and when it wasn't up on today's
Anyway, the obvious thing to do is see what domain names Avi and cohorts have registered recently, to see what they will obliterate next.
If this guy hooks up with Matt "Locksmiths ph33r my 7eet sk1llz" Blaze (linkage [crypto.com]) it will be rather amusing.
On a serious note, why don't
Re:DOH (Score:2)
Cool (Score:2)
Cost of living (Score:2)
And that varies from state to state, country to country.
Re:Cool (Score:2)
funding (Score:2)
I suppose it's a good thing that companies are competing in this way, rather than just slathering us all in layers of obfuscation and FUD.
Re:Dude stop this. (Score:2)
Re:The Ultimate (Score:2)
Re:Just a matter of time (Score:2)
(At least, you're not going to get anywhere by trying to capture the radio transmission off someone's keyfob and duplicating it, or that sort of thing.)
Re:Just a matter of time (Score:2)
BTW, do these really exist?
Re:Future of security (Score:5, Informative)
Your biometric information is not secret. The police or your parents might have a copy of your fingerprints, for example. It's theoretically difficult to duplicate biometric data, but certainly not impossible: Cryptome [cryptome.org] has a copy of the research paper where researchers used $20 worth of common kitchen items to successfully fool every commercial fingerprint reader on the market.
Assuming forgery is tougher than that, the problem really is in the "interface" -- at some point the information stops being "biometric" and has been converted by circuitry into digital data. Digital data, of course, can be sniffed, copied, and modified. That's the real weak point of the biometric systems. If you can replace real biometric data with spoofed data, the computer systems downstream aren't going to know the difference.