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Political Pop-ups, and Follow the Money 380

finelinebob writes "Now we know why Bush wants broadband for everyone: The Republican National Committee plans on bringing the campaign to Internet pop-up ads. From the article: 'Internet experts said that Republicans have entered a new realm of campaigning. Pop-up and pop-under ads of any variety haven't been around long, and little data exist to suggest how voters might respond to uninvited interruptions.' Okay, folks -- get your pop-up blocking browsers now!" While you're waiting for your first pop-up, pop on over to a website that tracks campaign contributions: vVF4N writes "Fundrace 2004 lets you enter any street address and see what people at or near that location have contributed to a presidential candidate, along with their addresses and occupations. The data is based on reports that campaigns regularly file with the Federal Election Commission. You can also look up a name and get the same information. The Washington Post (registration required) has more. Find out who your friends and neighbors are contributing to."
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Political Pop-ups, and Follow the Money

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  • Pop ups (Score:5, Insightful)

    by krymsin01 ( 700838 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:10AM (#8701487) Homepage Journal
    So instead of using the Internet to rally and energize the American public into voting for them, they are going to use it to furthor alienate and annoy us with pop-ups? Are they that out of touch that they believe pop-ups are actualy going to give them some sort of edge?
    • Re:Pop ups (Score:4, Interesting)

      by TomV ( 138637 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:56AM (#8701674)
      or: As well as using the internet to rally and energise the American Public into voting for them, they are going to use it to further alienate and annoy everyone outside the US without a vote in the US elections with pop-ups? Are they that out of touch that they believe these pop-ups are actually going to be limited to US voters only?
      • Seriously.... (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward
        you think either the Republicans or Democrats are that concerned about where the money comes from.

        Now that's optimistic! If you've got a prostitution ring in Thailand that specializes in the anal rape of baby monk seals, you just have to launder the money before you buy the politician.

        Randomly enough. They admit this is an experiment and they don't know what they're doing, but they've got, and I shit you not, so much money, that it makes it a perfect time to run the experiment. That's their actual, sai
      • Re:Pop ups (Score:4, Interesting)

        by blazerw11 ( 68928 ) <blazerw@nOSPaM.bigfoot.com> on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:26AM (#8702645) Homepage
        Republicans don't care about people outside the U.S. Have you not been paying attention?! :)

        The above was meant to be humorous toward the parent poster and a slight slam against our conservative leadership, which, if I may make an intelligent argument here, suck.

    • Re:Pop ups (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Cally ( 10873 )
      I'm really looking forward to the first one of these I see, when I shall send a lengthy email of complaint about how I'm unable to vote in the election, not being American. Hopefully that'll suck up a few minutes of time of some campaign worker and help drain away the Bush funds. Just doin' my bit...
    • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @07:18AM (#8701927) Homepage
      If you want us to stop.
    • by DrYak ( 748999 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @07:54AM (#8702062) Homepage
      Alienating the Americans ? How about alienating the Swiss ?
      Each couple of month, in Switzerland we're supposed to vote about a dozen of laws, laws change and other subjects.
      Just imagine the desktop mess if swiss politician start to make pop-up like the american : not just two pop-ups for two candidate, but dozens of pop-ups about pro and cons for each subjet.
      Now THAT'S going to make a big wreckage on the desktop ! I think people will start to hate democracy... or make Mozilla the official nationnal browser for it's ad-blocking...
    • they are going to use it to furthor alienate and annoy us with pop-ups?

      That's the point. They are sending pop-ups for their opponents, stupid!

  • Yay! (Score:5, Funny)

    by ColourlessGreenIdeas ( 711076 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:10AM (#8701488)
    An oppertunity for the republicans to annoy everyone. That's what I like to see.
    • Spammers for Bush! Surefire way to become as populatr with the public as, say, X-10!
      • by billstewart ( 78916 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:55AM (#8701670) Journal
        Bill Jones [jonesforcalifornia.com] is a California Republican who's running for Senate this year against Barbara Boxer. Back in 2002, when he was Secretary of State and trying to get the Republican nomination to run for governor (Bill Simon beat him, and lost to Gray Davis, who was later recalled and replaced by Ahnold), his campaign sent out a bunch of email spam, and got spanked by the net.

        So here in California, the Republicans already have lots of practice annoying Internet users. Let's hope they keep it up!

    • Well, let's wait a while... if it makes them unpopular, they'll stop it for sure. They can't afford losing their supporters. I guess they're just experimenting on a new idea, just like sending spam is. I personally never received their spam yet, but some people actually welcomed it. Unsure about the pop-up ads though.

  • *groan! (Score:4, Funny)

    by manavendra ( 688020 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:12AM (#8701494) Homepage Journal
    As if pr0n pop-ups werent enough, we'll now have Dubya and others popping up and asking to vote for them.
    Wonder if the internet usage policy will classify Dubya with his silly grin as "distasteful, objectionable content" :-)
    • by billstewart ( 78916 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:45AM (#8701627) Journal
      Single popups are bad enough, but just wait until the Republicans try those rapid-fire take-over-your-screen can't-hit-the-X-fast-enough popups. "Terrorists might be hiding under your bed!" "Democrats are Liberal Liberal Liberal!" "Weapons of Mass Destruction!" "Our Enemies are EEEEVILLLLL!" "Yellow Alert No, Orange Alert! No, Yellow Alert!" "Pink Alert - Gay People Might Destroy Your Marriage Unless You let Us Repeal The Constitution!" "Don't Vote Democrat or Terrorists Will Squish This Hamster!" "Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid!" "Don't Worry, Republicans Will Protect You!" "Pay No Attention to the Web Bug Behind This Window!" "CLick the Dancing Osama To Fight Terrorism!" "Click the Dancing Osama to Vote Republican!" "If you Don't see the Fnords, they won't eat you!" "Homeland Security works if We All Cooperate!"
    • by spellraiser ( 764337 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:04AM (#8701693) Journal

      Pop-up and pop-under ads of any variety haven't been around long ... ???

      They've been around TOO long. More specifically, they have been around, period.

    • Re:*groan! (Score:3, Funny)

      by WWWWolf ( 2428 )
      Wonder if the internet usage policy will classify Dubya with his silly grin as "distasteful, objectionable content" :-)

      According to some porn filters [dansdata.com], yes, pictures of GWB are vile pornography. =)

    • Although last election I found these test pop-up's quite entertaining...

      Gore Vs Bush [jibjab.com]
  • by NemesisStar ( 619232 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:13AM (#8701496)
    If this means I get "Vote for Bush" popups in Australia I'm going to be very upset.

    I'd prefer a 12" penis any day!
    • Re:Oh bloody hell (Score:4, Interesting)

      by meringuoid ( 568297 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:16AM (#8701507)
      Well, the annoying thing is... whoever wins this election will be deciding what my country's foreign policy is going to be. Yet I don't get a vote in it. Isn't it great living in a vassal state?

      And now, just to rub it in, they're going to pop up their campaign ads at me. Brilliant.

      • Re:Oh bloody hell (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Trailwalker ( 648636 )
        ..living in a vassal state?


        Don't get too excited by this, we have fifty of them here.
        • > Don't get too excited by this, we have fifty of them here.

          Except for the fact that the peopel livign in those 50 can still vote.. not that it really makes a difference this time.. (hmm. come to think of it, it didn't matter much last time either)
    • by Surlyboi ( 96917 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:04AM (#8701695) Homepage Journal
      You're in luck then, because if you vote Bush, you get Dick for free!
  • by Anonymous Coward
    The intro to this article mentions Opera and Mozilla - forget it, there's much better out there. I've tried every browser out there, and for nearly 6 months now I've used MyIE2. It "takes over" IE2 and runs as a seperate program - not only does it do pop-up blocking, it also does _content_ blocking. My eyes are open, the internet (and slashdot) no longer has ads - try it, try it, try it (if you're stuck in Windows).

    Freeware. http://www.myie2.com
  • by illuminata ( 668963 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:19AM (#8701519) Journal
    Soon, we'll find that John F. Kerry tries to counter this with 30 second flash intros. Listen to that thumping techno beat and kick ass effects!

    Oh, what about Nader, you ask? He won't use computers. Apparently they pollute or something. He wants monitors banned because of their adverse health effects, too. But, his rumbling will be heard across the world anyways, so don't you worry!
    • DMCA (Score:4, Insightful)

      by epcraig ( 102626 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:17AM (#8701731)
      Vote for Kerry, vote for the DMCA.

      Vote for Bush, vote for the DMCA.

      Nader ran against the DMCA in 2000, I can't see why he'd change his mind in 2004.

      Kucinich, too, ran against the DMCA. Pity nobody cared.

      • . . . DMCA . . . DMCA . . . DMCA . . . DMCA . . .

        The only thing worse than the two-party system is all the one-issue voters.

        • Re:DMCA (Score:2, Interesting)

          by epcraig ( 102626 )
          USA-PATRIOT, war on Iraq, DMCA is just my longest standing grudge against the Demoblicans and Republicrats...

          After all, only a conspiracy theorist would point to Skull and Bones. ;-)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:19AM (#8701523)
    Under provision 911.666 of the PATRIOT II act, any method of circumventing the delivery of any advertisement form is considered an act of terrorism, punishable by life imprisonment in a forest labour camp, or summary execution. RFID signals broadcast from advertisements will be used in conjunction with the RFID tags now secretly being placed in your contact lenses to permit 24 hour total penis enlargement awareness.
  • by Stubtify ( 610318 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:19AM (#8701524)
    And he donated the max ($2000) Geeze I guess times we're *that* tough this year.
  • by monkease ( 726622 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:20AM (#8701528) Homepage
    cia: there are weapons of mass destruction in iraq!
    bush: okay!
    cia: and americans love pop-up ads!
    bush: okay!
  • Thanks Bush (Score:5, Funny)

    by linuxci ( 3530 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:23AM (#8701535)
    Looks like he'll be doing the first useful thing in his presidential career...

    Giving people a reason to ditch IE and run Firefox! :)

    Still he's not getting my vote, well as I'm English I couldn't anyway!
    • by groot ( 198923 ) *
      The Internet:

      That which Gore giveth, Bush shall take away. So shall be scripted, so shall be so.

      -- This should definetly result in the loss of my artistic license.
  • by slart42 ( 694765 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:27AM (#8701550)
    v.ote for b.ush!!

    asfhjku hdsjhkf hdfhbio
  • follow the money (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ashot ( 599110 ) <ashot@nOSPAM.molsoft.com> on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:28AM (#8701557) Homepage
    looks to me like a very interesting graphical representation of voter contributions, it seems a little scary though that I can access the name and address of everyone in my zipcode who contributed x amount of money to x candidate; I can see why it is necessary to keep these records public, but I can also see some potential for mis-use. Anyone else have this thought?
    • There's potential for mis-use, but talk about an eye-opener. How many average citizens would take the time to request this data from the FEC?

      A quick lookup of my street address was extremely insightful. I recognized many of the names from my years in the business community and guess what? Most of the Republican donors are owners and officers of companies who have been laying off workers (and outsourcing their work) with most contributing $2000 checks from every person in their household. The Dems, on the o
  • by fuzzybunny ( 112938 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:31AM (#8701568) Homepage Journal
    Wasn't there some discussion about provisions in the CAN-SPAM act to exempt "informative" political messages?

    At that level, I wouldn't be surprised if popup blockers and filters against political spam were somehow to run afoul of DMCA (circumvention devices!) and friends. You MUST view this popup, we're checking! Honest! :)
  • How else is my browser-based instant messenger supposed to work?
    • By allowing specific sites only to popup windows. Certainly possible with Firefox, probably with Mozilla. Not sure about Opera, though it makes sense that it would support it too.
  • ...is now michael's personal forum for his political views? FWIW, I've been planning on voting against the current president for a long time now. Someone like David Duke would have to have received the Democratic nomination in order for me to fail to vote Democratic in November, 2004.

    That being said, that's two articles on the current main page posted by michael that have an anti-Bush tone to them. I guess michael doesn't care about being "fair and balanced" as a journalist.
  • Viarga Now! (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I can definitely see Kerry in Viagra "Popups"

    My wife..er.. financier strong recommends it... :-)
  • by mandalayx ( 674042 ) * on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:42AM (#8701619) Journal
    If I were Bush, I would be a bit wary about Internet marketing. Clay Shirky makes an interesting and insightful dissection [corante.com] on what went right and wrong with Dean and his internet campaign here:

    What follows is a long musing on the Dean campaign's use of internet tools, but it has a short thesis: the hard thing to explain is not how the Dean campaign blew such a huge lead, but rather why we ever thought that lead actually existed. Dean's campaign didn't just fail, it dissolved on contact with reality.


    Extensive reading, but just read line by line.

    Of course, though, we know that the GOP has done better in communicating their message [npr.org], while the Democrats continue to fail Influence 101 [w-uh.com]...a sad sight.
  • William H. Gates
    CEO
    Microsoft Corp.
    George W. Bush
    $2,000
    1 Microsoft Way Redmond, WA 98052

    GWB saved Gates' shiny white hind, and all he gives in return is 2000 dollars. Ingrateful sod!

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  • brotherly love? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by aarku ( 151823 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:50AM (#8701650) Journal
    Governor John Bush only gave his brother $1000 [fundrace.org]?
    Zing!
  • by gad_zuki! ( 70830 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @05:54AM (#8701668)
    Keeping digging your own grave, Rove.

    If they want to alienate voters and come off as money-hungry vultures, then pop-ups and spam are the way to go.

    Its pretty ironic when Bush has over 100 million sitting in his war chest, which has broken all previous records. Thats what you get for pandering to big business for almost four years, a nice return on your investment.
  • The use of pop-up ads really seem to suggest that they don't ever use the web. Or at least not ofen enough to know how annoying, and pretty useless, pop up (or pop under) ads are.

    It's similiar to how so many of the top spammers admit to being computer illiterate before discovering spam as a way to make money. And it's the same reason scalpers are rarely fans of the band or sports team they sell tickets for. Anyone with a vested interest in the activity will not want to destroy it.

    Alright, I'll admit t
  • by Karem Lore ( 649920 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:20AM (#8701739)
    Don't know about you, but this won't change a thing. I've had popups offering me BUSH for years...

  • by jtcm ( 452335 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:24AM (#8701750)

    I had a knee-jerk reaction to browsing this database filled with no less than a dozen of my friends', families', and aquaintances' political affiliations with corresponding addresses. My inner-self cried "INVASION OF PRIVACY! ABORT! ABORT!"

    I then took a mental step back, collected my wits, and clicked the "Privacy" link. lo and behold: [fundrace.org]

    All the information presented on Fundrace.org is part of the public record and provided by the Federal Election Commission of the United States.

    Anyone who contributes "hard money" to political campaigns must provide personal information. This requirement limits the political influence of wealthy, anonymous individuals and allows the public to track financial contributions that may influence the political process.

    Upon further investigation it becomes apparent that this site is a Very Good Thing(tm). It is a bastion of democracy.

    Fundrace, I salute you.

  • Showed lots of contributions in my town, but not mine. So very cool, but not 100%.
  • If they have to pay per advertisement served or clicked... lets write a bit of perl and try to lighten their warchest a bit ;P
  • Safari! (Score:2, Informative)

    by haskins_sam ( 653585 )
    Not only do Opera, Firefox, and MyIE2 all block popups, but so to does the Apple web browser Safari! It is also the standard browser.
  • by nacturation ( 646836 ) <nacturation AT gmail DOT com> on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:35AM (#8701781) Journal
    Oh, this is going to be very fun! [fundrace.org].
  • by Goose In Orbit ( 199293 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:47AM (#8701813)
    In an article about pop-ups, three sponsored links to pop-up blockers ... and a pop-up!

    Ho hum...
  • (1) As was said in The Hunt for Red October,"I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar...when I'm not kissing babies I'm stealing their lollipops." I don't support any organized political party because politicans are representing their represented citizens less and the ideals of the party more.

    (2) If a contribution is going to reveal my HOME ADDRESS then you can fuggeddaboutit!

  • by thebeast25 ( 753698 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @06:53AM (#8701836)
    It doesn't list the Bin Laden family contributions???
  • by Anonymous Coward
    This is at least the 4th story in 2 days; that has jabs at the Republican party or at George Bush. I understand that the majority of people here at /. are liberal or democrat, but this is NOT a political website - to polarize readers. It's starting to get on my nerves.

    Republicans and conservatives (on slashdot) are traeted like the Klan treated ... well ... I'll lket you fill in th rest. It's already bad enough that this will either get modded into troll oblivion or offtopic just because I said the words "

    • It reminds me of my favorite classic Star Trek episode. They visit a planet that has warring races. Captain Kirk brings a leader from each side onto the Enterprise to negotiate a peace treaty - they refuse to get along. Finally, Kirk says, "You know, I don't understand, you guys seem to really like each other and not have any differences at all... so what's wrong?" One leader says, "I thought you knew, it's so obvious, Kirk I am offended... is that question a joke? Can't you see, he's black on the left side

    • by Deslock ( 86955 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:59AM (#8703003)
      This is at least the 4th story in 2 days; that has jabs at the Republican party or at George Bush. I understand that the majority of people here at /. are liberal or democrat, but this is NOT a political website - to polarize readers. It's starting to get on my nerves.
      You're overreacting. This story simply links to articles that describe how the RNC plans to use pop-up advertising and tell of how anyone can easily look up who's contributed what. That second article applies to both parties, so I assume it's the pop-up portion of the story that bugs you. Frankly, I don't see how it takes jabs at Bush or republicans. If the the DNC had announced that they were going to use pop-ups, I expect /. would've posted about it as well (along with the standard "time to change your browser" remarks).
      Republicans and conservatives (on slashdot) are traeted like the Klan treated ... well ... I'll lket you fill in th rest.
      I don't think comparing something as trivial as political bias to the KKK is going to help your case. On the contrary, it makes you look like an overly sensitive partisan who can't keep things in perspective.
  • Be sure to click! (Score:3, Interesting)

    by DaRobin ( 57103 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @07:19AM (#8701933) Homepage

    Certainly do not use popup blockers for this, on the contrary, bring them up, click, bring'em up again and click click until you're tired -- it'll cost them money for each click... I reckon we could even have a "Click The Bush" campaign in which good net citizens would click on those ads several times a day to help rid the world of this pestilence :)

  • by mumblestheclown ( 569987 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @07:37AM (#8702010)
    for those arguing for 'accountability' in political donations, consider this.

    Jane works in a law firm. Jane likes dennis kucinich. Jane's boss, a partner, likes GW Bush.

    Jane's boss can only contribute up to the maximum personal limit of $2000 or whatever it is. But, he can strongly suggest to jane and others that it might be in jane's career interest to do the same.

    now, the boss can check up on jane with this handy web site. of course, nobody has forced jane to do anything, but still, the boss can check up to see what kind of 'team player' she is.

    this is TRULY scary. do a search of your loal neighborhood and see how many lawyers' names come up.

  • by SpaceRook ( 630389 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @07:57AM (#8702073)
    I've noticed the Googlebar has be allowing some popups through lately. I wonder what the new technique is. In my own experiments, I've found I could launch unwanted popups with an onMouseOver() method in the [body] tag. That tricked Mozilla and the Google bar.

    Will the political campaigns be that mischievous? Republicans might, because apparently they don't understand the internet [aberdeennews.com]. Democrats won't be so dumb. The primaries were an excellent crash course in internet fund raising, and they are way ahead of the game.

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  • by cprincipe ( 100684 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @08:36AM (#8702255) Homepage
    Next thing we'll see a constitutional amendment banning Firefox!
  • by Ridgelift ( 228977 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @09:00AM (#8702448)
    Gee, this Fundrace thing is fun...and kinda scary. Especially if you normally don't want people to know your home address. Here's some of the giving habits of our favorite cast of characters:

    Bill Gates - CEO Microsoft - Republican [fundrace.org]
    Steve Ballmer - President Microsoft - Republican [fundrace.org]
    Hilary Rosen - Consultant & President RIAA - Democrat [fundrace.org]
    Jack Valenti - President MPAA - Democrat [fundrace.org]
    Darl McBride - President SCO Group - Thankless Bastard [fundrace.org]
  • It's funny..

    If you look [fundrace.org] at all the people who donated to Bush from Microsoft, its all VP's and high level management that get paid the big bucks and donated the max of $2000, but most the ones that contributed to other candidates are all lower paid blue-collar from programmers to trainers and could only donate $200-$500 dollars..

    What does that tell you about a "bush" economy.. other than those that are benefiting are the ones that are already able to retire..

    I'll be glad to see bush go.. not that I'm a Kerry supporter.. but I'm just tired of all the crap.

    SCO attacks IBM w/o proof.. Bush attacks Iraq w/o Proof... which one do you think will get away with it, without any consequences?


  • by milliyear ( 132102 ) on Monday March 29, 2004 @10:21AM (#8703265)
    ...and click-on, and click-on, and click-on, and click-on.

    I Promise to single-handedly make any web site feeding a Bush pop-up rich beyond their wildest dreams with click-thru revenue.

    Of course, I'll vote for Anybody But Bush.

    I'll waste his money and put him out of a job just like he wastes my money and keeps me out of a job.

    That's the only way we can stop political pop-ups: No Return On Investment. Let's give them some 'hard data' to show them it's not worth it!

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