Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 517
WallsRSolid writes "Microsoft just finished a week-long series of lectures and demos at my university, and the product that really stole the show was the Tablet PC. I was in a room with probably 150 hardcore linux users, and it seemed to me that the demonstration just floored them (the entire lecture hall CHEERED a Microsoft product). I believe that Microsoft's own online hype literature is insufficient in describing just how powerful their Tablet concept is. A July preview, Acer's propaganda, a press release about their initial success, and a behind-the-scenes account (good article) of the enabling technology. Oh, and the input stylus is electromagnetic, not pressure-sensing, ANY document (not just MS) can be annotated, and the journal software is AMAZING in its power and flexibility."
Actually a new business-model! (Score:2, Funny)
2: ?
3: Make proprietary software.
4: Profit!
hmmm (Score:5, Funny)
Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:3, Informative)
Uh, no. The IBM ThinkPad 710 [ibm.com] was out in 1993, and it featured an electromagnetic stylus. Once again, no innovation whatsoever on part of Microsoft.
Re:Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:3, Interesting)
IBM just used it ala mouse-input. Microsoft is allowing people to use digital ink as a first class citizen in the computing world. It's a whole new way of looking at computing.
TabletPC is not some sort of handwriting recognition on steroids, it is a way of combining standard text with ink-based input, and allowing you to freely go between the two without effort.
Re:Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:2, Offtopic)
I don't speak marketing weaselese, so I don't know what "digital ink" is, but IBM had a little application that let you write with the stylus in say, a text entry box, and it would convert it to text on the fly. I'm also pretty sure Apple Newton did the same thing, and before that a research group in Stanford was developing similar principles. A whole new way of looking at computing? I think not.
Re:Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:5, Insightful)
Bill Gates rolls out the "Tablet PC" concept every few years at his CES presentations, and it's always been a minor reinvention of the Apple Newton presented as if Microsoft had thought of it on their own. Reflowable "ink text" could be used almost everywhere on the Newton that you could use printed text. There are a few fun new features in Tablet PC but nothing I've seen justifies the "whole new way of looking at computing" rhetoric. However, even if the core ideas aren't original, they are still important. I'm glad somebody with deep pockets is reinventing the Newton Notepad concept because it was a really great way to take notes and Apple seems to have abandoned the technology.
Oh, and about that electromagnetic sensor: Early researchers in pen computing noticed that when peaple write on a large pad of paper they tend to rest the heel of their hand on it. This interferes with accurate touch-screen input and is why the AT&T Eo and the tablet-sized prototype Newton called "Bic" [geocities.com] and other early attempts at large-screen recognition used electromagnetic input.
Re:Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Wondering what's a Tablet PC? (Score:3, Informative)
Cheering for Microsoft? Nope... (Score:4, Insightful)
Sounds perfect for watching porn DVDs in bed! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sounds perfect for watching porn DVDs in bed! (Score:3, Insightful)
My problem with M$... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:My problem with M$... (Score:2)
In this case, it's a little too late -- IBM ThinkPad 710T precedes this Microsoft product by about nine years.
Re:My problem with M$... (Score:2, Informative)
so much for m$ innovation.
Re:My problem with M$... (Score:3, Insightful)
how long.. (Score:4, Funny)
1)People get one and install Linux onto it (eleven seconds)
2)Someone tries to make a beowulf cluster (fourteen minutes)
3)We see them on eBay (4 days)
4)That hinge thing on the Acer one gets broken (0.5345 seconds after the warranty expires)
Re:how long.. (Score:5, Funny)
1a) The first one gets Slashdotted (11.00001 seconds)
Re:how long.. (Score:2)
Re:how long.. (Score:3, Funny)
6) Time spent reinstalling all your software and settings (8 hours)
7) goto 5
Re:how long.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:how long.. (Score:4, Insightful)
Incidentally, for the record, the amount of rabid, anti-MS garbage on this thread is quite staggering. As is the amount of moderation points that have been spent on making "I bet it crashes! LOL" posts +5 Funny.
- Chris
Re:how long.. (Score:5, Funny)
6.5) Windows trolls post on Slashdot how Win XP works for them, because they've configured it properly, and if it doesn't work for you, surely you don't know what you're doing.
Wait... isn't that what Linux users normally say about Linux?
Re:how long.. (Score:3, Funny)
Re:how long.. (Score:2)
The interesting thing about this is that the tablet PC may be a more powerful tool running Windows XP than it would be running Linux. Much as we all like to talk about how MS doesn't innovate, their work on handwriting recognition may actually be years ahead of any open-source alternative.
Of course, if I had one I'd *still* install Linux on it. In a partition. Take notes and use the pen in XP, and write code via the keyboard under Linux. Then again, you can use xemacs under Windows, so sometimes even the reboot may be more trouble than it is worth. I'm willing to give proper credit to MS for bringing the next generation of portable technologies to the masses -- and it may even be worth the cost, in terms of absolutely absurd and offensive licensing practices.
Re:how long.. (Score:5, Funny)
1b) People get handwriting recognition on their Linux version (eleven years)
Almost there (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Almost there (Score:2)
That and drop the estimated retail price of $4500 down a bit. That should do it.
timing (Score:2, Interesting)
Since the PDA craze is still hot, I suppose a new piece of hardware with some new, nifty software features is enough to get this thing some thumbs up. I've always wondered why there weren't hinges on laptops like this one. It seems like a no brainer (touch screen or not - a mouse/stick/pad on the side of the screen would have worked too).
It all about timing. Flexibility is finally "in".
Re:timing (Score:2, Insightful)
Tablet PCs Are Nothing New (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Tablet PCs Are Nothing New (Score:2, Informative)
This is SOP for Microsoft, though. They always destroy someone else's innovative technology via the usual anticompetitive means (or just plain FUD), then release that same technology a few years later amid great fanfare as if it is a great new idea from Microsoft.
Re:Tablet PCs Are Nothing New (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Tablet PCs Are Nothing New (Score:5, Informative)
I used to annotate my documents using digital ink editing marks and notes and digital ink diagrams as well as write some documents using natural handwriting recognition on my Fujitsu Stylistic using PenOffice. This particular model was more half a decade old -- it had a Pentium 100 CPU and an 800x600 display and ran Windows 95 + Office 95.
This is nothing new.
What happened to my Stylistic running Windows 95? I replaced it with an Apple Newton, yet another product which allows you to store digital in annotations and sketches for office documents and then recognize them later if you wish, but which is half the size of the Stylistic. The Newton 2000 was also released half more than half a decade ago. The Newton even has a cute "digital ink eraser" technique for editing your sketches and annotations.
Most of the technology Microsft is demonstrating right now has been licensed from existing products (like PenOffice and Calligrapher) that have been on the market for years already. It's not exactly a secret.
Yes, we read the article. But do you know what you're talking about?
Re:Tablet PCs Are Nothing New (Score:3, Insightful)
1) Good handwriting recognition.
2) Office w/good handwriting integration.
3) Developers, developers, developers...
no wonder you posted to slashdot (Score:4, Funny)
"So I'll post it to slashdot, where the insufficient online literature is the only thing they'll have to go on, and therefore pooh-pooh the whole thing. Excellent! *evil grin*"
Old News (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Old News (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Old News (Score:2)
One slide of the button deletes your whole work!
What would be really funny... (Score:4, Funny)
What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:5, Insightful)
My laptop gives me amazing mobility. I can even use it without having a desk by putting it on my lap (hence the name LAPtop).
I just don't understand what is so revolutionary about the Tablet PC. Can someone please enlighten me?
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:2)
Seriously, I have really, honestly thought of situations in which a tablet-PC might be useful. In all cases, a currently existing, cheaper, more reliable and readily available PDA would have been better though.
The only thing I would see as a possible use is for graphic artists which might need a large touchscreen. Yeah, that's possibly nicer than with a graphics tablet (although I'm no graphics artist). But other than that, I don't see any real use.
And that's the reason why all tablet-PC attempts have failed so far.
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:2)
Could you fit a website designed for 800x600 on your 240x160 PDA? Didnt think so. Maybe you can fit the logo though.
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:2)
That's quite an assumption you're making there. I know quite a few people that can take notes better than they can type on a keyboard, especially a subnote keyboard with extra small keys.
While I will concede that they are not really revolutionary or anything, I think it's a nice concept. I especially like the "slate" PC, although I haven't seen any specs on those yet. All these PCs should have a hardware button on the screen that allows an instant switch between landscape and portrait layouts. Sounds like a more full-featured eBook-reading platform.
Will I buy one? Certainly not at the ~$4500 price point I've seen in some articles on the Acer. They'll need to get the price down before I consider one. Anyway, I'm waiting for the iSlate/iTablet/iWhatever from Apple that will do the same thing. (pleasePleasePlease!)
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:3, Interesting)
In order to get people to enjoy using a computer it either has to be reasonably adaptable to their needs, or very tightly targeted.
The iPod is a perfect demonstration of the latter. It's a killer MP3 player. It has a few extras, but those are just icing on the cake, rather than something people expect of it. Thus every new feature is a treat, rather than an obligation. The iPod is also quite successful.
The problem with a tablet is that it has a relatively big color screen and versatile input. I expect to be able to do pretty much anything I can do on my iMac on an iTablet. I expect a tablet to be fully functional without depending on a desktop for anything(and for that matter, I don't want a concept where removing the tablet from the equation cripples my desktop).
But this means that a tablet has to have pretty much everything a compact, yet fully-featured(like the iBook, rather than one that requires a "docking station") laptop. Double hinged screen or not, the "tablet" then becomes cumbersome. My Mead 70 page notebook doesn't weigh nearly as much as even the lightest laptop.
The tablet concept is something that wants to be too many things at one time. It either has to wait for technology to become light and thin enough to make truly lightweight, non-crippled laptops, or it has to be more specifically targeted as a middle ground between the laptop and PDA. Right now it's just too close to being a laptop with a fancy screen to distinguish itself from that already-saturated market.
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's an extra piece of equipment to carry around, you have to sit down to use it adequately, and it requires two hands to operate at a reasonable speed (no chord keyboard rebuttals, please).
However, all that being said, there is nothing stopping keyboards from being integrated with tablet pc's that Microsoft is showing off. Some do have that as an option.
I can type much better than I can write
No one is saying you'd have to write EVERYTHING on a tablet PC! Read the articles about them. Go see a demo. That's not the point. The point is you CAN walk around with it like a notebook and make notes, do cool things standing up and moving around with a PC easily, then set it down on your desk and sync up with keyboard, mouse, etc.
Re:What's wrong with a keyboard? (Score:3, Informative)
Chinese Characters (Score:5, Interesting)
A herculean task to input these characters into an electronic document? Hardly. In fact I think it's quite the contrary. I've had experience with many Japanese who actually find it easier to type out their language phonetically and have the computer list potential chinese character matches than writing by hand. This saves them from having to recall stroke orders for obscure characters, and is actually faster. Typing two 10 stroke characters phonetically may take four or six key strokes, which is much quicker than 20 hand written strokes.
But then the article then goes on to point out that they have algorithms for two to four stroke characters. This makes me think they are only looking to allow input via Hiragana or Katakana - the phonetic based Japanese character sets. Maybe they understand that the task of recognizing characters with upwards of 15 strokes is overkill and maybe simply beyond reach right now.
Re:Chinese Characters (Score:3, Informative)
Not only this is perfectly feasible, but Microsoft already has such a technology. To see it in action, install the support for Japanese on Windows (any version above NT 4 and 98 should do), and activate the Japanese input method in an Unicode-aware application (for example Opera, or NT Notepad). Open the IME pad (left-click on the red pen icon in the system tray, select the menu item), activate the hand-writing mode (click on the menu that displays the current input mode, "Soft Keyboard" by default, to get the list of modes), and experiment
Keyboard input is also possible: write the translitteration of the word, and a drop-down menu will present all the ideograms that match, and remember your choice for the future
I smell a rat. (Score:3, Flamebait)
I think maybe you do need to say something more (Score:2)
WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)
I've yet to see a house full of Linux "hardcore" geeks even warm up to a Microshaft presentation. And I've lived in the "geek world" for many many years.
Just so you know: I have seen the Tablet PC; and most of the people (techies) who were with me were thoroughly unimpressed. I don't know what "Linux crowd" you hang out with, but check their foreheads for butterflies....
Don't be too sure (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Don't be too sure (Score:4, Interesting)
People aren't patents (Score:3, Insightful)
What?
If a corporation spends a sufficient ammount of money for someone, they're certainly going to put them to work. If they don't produce anything, they probably get fired--and if they produce something that can make MS $, they probably get some sort of bonus.
"Buy to sit on" makes sense for patents, copyrights, and trademarks--but not for people.
Re:People aren't patents (Score:3, Informative)
you're stupid.
If you want to understand what MS research is, why dont you visit the web sites ? I'll give you a hint. At a research university, there are a bunch of faculty. They cut their time between doing research and teaching. Big name professors are big names because of their research interests, publications, and sometimes industry connections. Not because they're swell teachers.
MS research is similar. Except nobody wastes any time teaching.
It is typically NOT the case that research in MSR is vagely related to something that can be productized. It is PURE computer science research, in a wide variety of areas. Sometimes, some of this research has huge upside for something MS wants to do with a product. Sometimes that takes years. You should browse through the different projects and talks on the MSR site, and ask yourself how much of that you see in MS products today.
As far as "creative freedom", well, i happen to know a few people at MSR that are doing their work on linux, because they feel like it.
Re:People aren't patents (Score:3, Informative)
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But as I said, stupid is relative. I agree that I may not know MSFT internals as well as you appear to. As such, I'd consider myself "uninformed" on the topic. But, stupid? No. Your website, is stupid [sarcasm], but I digress.
I do give you credit for your argument, and that's what matters. Just mark me as your Foe, and we'll move on.
I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)
I learned typing so that I didn't need to use such a painfully slow method as handwriting anymore. Why is everyone so delighted that your WPM is going down?
As far as speaking, I don't know about the rest of you, but voice processing is useless for me practically everywhere I use a computer: On the train, in meetings, and at my desk. Everytime I've heard someone use a Dragon speech product I almost immediately hear someone else asking them to turn it off because it's annoying.
Microsoft's mission (Score:4, Insightful)
Just look at XBox: Big, loud, fragile, power-consuming, sold at 150$ loss - and still behind Gamecube and Playstation.
Now the same with Tablet-PC: Isn't it just an oversized PDA? The way I see it, it combines the disadvantages from PDA and Laptop: It's too heavy and big to casually carry it around in a pocket, battery lifetime is measured in hours like with a Laptop. - But it lacks a keyboard, many interfaces and connectors.
Why should anybody choose it over a Laptop? or a PDA?
Handwriting on a Screen (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Handwriting on a Screen (Score:2)
Text recognition (Score:4, Funny)
write where i want it? (Score:5, Funny)
I've been to that presentation (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I've been to that presentation (Score:3, Insightful)
Try writing fuck into it, won't work. It's not in their dictionary, you have to write one letter at a time, takes 3x as long as grafitti. I saw a PhD thesis with this level of handwriting regognition a couple years ago. It is impressive that it made it to market so quickly, but technically not very impressive.
I do want one of those tablets though. It's got one of those Wacom tablets under the LCD which makes it like a real dynabook. The first prototypes I saw were completely unusable because the screen was so thick that you got lots of parallax. But the Acer doesn't have a glass covering the screen so it's completely usable. The glass used to be there to protect the LCD, so no heavy handed drawing on the Acer. Unfortunately the Acer is very fragile in many other ways too, but I think if Apple ever makes one of these it will be great.
You don't use it as a tablet when browsing the web or writing anything significant. But if you want to draw something it is much nicer than a wacom tablet, you get feedback right under the pen. And since the screen is soft you get a better feel.* Unlike a PDA you have everything a Wacom tablet has, pressure sensitivity, pen angle, and accuracy. The handwriting recognition is fine for writing the small anotations it's intended for, just insert your words into the dictionary first.
*BTW if you've tried a Wacom tablet but didn't like it, fastening a piece of paper on top of the drawing surface gives it a much better feel. You get some of that friction you get using a pencil on paper.
fun for artists (Score:4, Interesting)
On the other hand, right now, when I see the pictures all I can think is that it looks like a comically over-seized PDA.
guerilla marketing (Score:4, Interesting)
The post might as well have been straight from a textbook. No facts, just unsubstantiated hype.
The question is: who is the poster working for? Acer? Microsoft?
(And the next question is, why is Taco falling for this shit?)
Re:guerilla marketing (Score:4, Informative)
I've been absolutely astounded on the number of people in this discussion who have completely blown off the topic. Microsoft does produce some quality products, and they are very attractive as employers (the purpose of the visit was one of recruitment), despite all of the Evil Empire BS that flies around.
Tried one yesterday (Score:5, Informative)
Pro's:
Nice feeling pens (there are two)
The swivel idea is nice, abeit a little fiddly.
It looks cool!
It's pretty small and light
Windows Journal is very nice
Con's:
Windows XP is as slow as a dog! I don't know what spec the machine is, but there is very noticable latency between clicking and menu's appearing for example. This might have something to do with it having an absolute shitpile graphics card.
There is no positive feedback that you have clicked. A tiny click sound would improve usability 110%. This is where the whole thing really fails. I found myself reverting to the touchpad in a few minutes because it was just so frustrating to try and double-click.
The onscreen keyboard is good, but the handwriting recognition is both crap and slow (about 1.5 seconds delay after writing 'jpixton').
The screen has a protector on it which makes it rather reflective.
Fiddly as fuck for clicking anything small. They really need to realise you can't just use a pen with windows which was designed to be used with a mouse. They need to alter the user interface to be more usable with a pen!!
Here's why (Score:2)
You can open up a lecture slide on say, power point during a class, write notes on it in a spiraling circular fashion, then later search through your spiral scribble AS IF IT WERE TEXT. You write "foo," search for "foo" and "foo" in your hand writing will be highlighted.
They did it during the presentation and it appeared to work very well.
When I take notes in class I use paper and a pen because I like the variety in handwriting to help me remember things. If it were searchable... I'd buy on of these and I've used Linux exclusively for 2 years.
What will they think of next (Score:5, Insightful)
First Apple reinvented computing by giving us the Macintosh in 1984 and now the Newton a little over eight years yater in 1993. Brilliance.
I guess the real question is when did PARC come up with all of this. 1978?
This is super-exciting! (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft just finished a week-long series of lectures and demos at my university
What university?
the product that really stole the show was the Tablet PC. I was in a room with probably 150 hardcore linux users, and it seemed to me that the demonstration just floored them (the entire lecture hall CHEERED a Microsoft product).
What did they cheer for, other than nebulous "amazement?"
I believe that Microsoft's own online hype literature is insufficient in describing just how powerful their Tablet concept is.
What hype are you refering to, and exactly how is their "hype literature" insufficient?
Oh, and the input stylus is electromagnetic, not pressure-sensing
How is that better? Is an electromagnetic stylus a requirement of the Microsoft technology?
ANY document (not just MS) can be annotated
Can I annotate OpenOffice documents?
the journal software is AMAZING in its power and flexibility.
What exactly does it do that's powerful and flexible?
More details please! I don't feel the amazement yet - perhaps you could tell us all why we should be amazed! Then we'll love you!
Re:This is super-exciting! (Score:5, Informative)
What university?
Carnegie Mellon University.
What did they cheer for, other than nebulous "amazement?"
They cheered for the fact that their product blends handwriting recognition with Windows applications that are already in widespread use. Advantages over Palm OS: Larger, color screen; easier ability to add wireless. Advantages over Newton: Tablet PC has a large company actively backing it; larger, color screen; compatible with Office and other widely-used applications. Advantages over Linux: the hwr-devel kernel module has been stuck at version 0.2.5a since 1997, and doesn't support any hardware made in the time since then.
What hype are you refering to, and exactly how is their "hype literature" insufficient?
Their hype literature [microsoft.com], like many such pages, is pretty shallow.
How is that better? Is an electromagnetic stylus a requirement of the Microsoft technology?
Yes.
Can I annotate OpenOffice documents?
Yes, with the openoffice-hwr-devel module, currently at version 0.0.1a on SourceForge. If you'd like to see this technology implemented, write it yourself. That's the power of open source.
What exactly does it do that's powerful and flexible?
It lets you use handwriting recognition.
Re:This is super-exciting! (Score:3, Informative)
No idea about whether it works with anything but the latest and greatest Office apps. Someone else mentioned OpenOffice, for which support is unlikely; Microsoft has nearly EOLed Office 97, so that's unlikely as well.
The lecture series was called "Microsoft Days @ CMU," and was sponsored by Microsoft with the support of the School of Computer Science. Microsoft paid the bills; SCS provided the rooms. While it was promoted heavily through direct e-mail campaigns and on-campus flyers, the web presence for it is limited to a calendar entry [cmu.edu] on the SCS web site and a plug on Microsoft's College site [microsoft.com]. You may also want to contact Assistant Dean for Industrial Relations Catherine Copetas [mailto] for any direct inquiries.
Hope this helps.
I never trust MS presentations... (Score:5, Informative)
Oddly enough, nothing worked as well for me as it did for those smart, attractive demonstrators. Perhaps I wasn't smart (or attractive) enough but it seens more likely to me that the demonstrations were carefully staged to only show the best side of the product and hide any flaws.
Of course, most presentations are like this... but this one sticks in my mind as a stark example. I've warned all our people to view all such "dog and pony shows" with a good deal of skepticism... but this goes double for those done by MS, in my opinion. What you see may not be what you get.
Tablet PC (Score:3, Informative)
In our demonstrations Microsoft never claimed credit for the tablet concept, and the demonstrators did acknowledge that the idea has been around for some time. They are selling the difference in that a) the new tablet PCs are now affordable and b) the OS can run anything Windows XP can run.
For approximately the price of a laptop, you get a somewhat more mobile but less powerful laptop. Acer's includes an integrated keyboard. They are nifty, but I wouldn't say that the Linux users in the audience stood up and cheered by any stretch of the imagination. Right off the bat they have their drawbacks. CD/DVD isn't integrated (which would be difficult at that size, although they have lots of ports to use), the voice recognition is still somewhat weak, and as I mentioned, they are somewhat less powerful than laptops at the same price. On the other hand, people can carry them around like they're a pad, people can annotate in any program, it makes using drawing programs a lot better, and it has the best handwriting recognition software I've ever encountered (that is what impressed me the most).
All in all, they are selling the tablet PC as "an idea that's time has come." I don't know if that's true; if my area decides to support them I will probably use one, but I wouldn't go out and purchase one myself at this point.
Tablet PC in person (Score:5, Informative)
These are my personal impressions, your mileage may vary.
First of all the handwriting recognition is not amazing. It does a fair job if you print in capitals, but writing joined up as neatly as possible gave unusable results. The recognition system really should have been better for the simple fact that when using a TabletPC you are not going to be leaning the device on table, but standing holding it in one hand with the pen in your other. This contributes to wobble (try writing neatly on a paper notepad with a pen while standing - notice your handwriting isn't so great?). So for a device like this, this is an important point - it should have been better, and as it is, I guess it's only *just* about passable.
My other complaint about the handwriting is that the screens on both devices were very smooth, and this meant that there was very little tactile feedback when writing, which promotes large scribbly handwriting. Notice how when you use a normal pen and paper there is resistance as you write? This is not present and promotes bad handwriting.
But enough about the handwriting - I really don't see how this is a revolutionary product. It's a laptop with handwriting recognition (and some have no keyboards).
That is about it - and because of the form factor being so small on most of the available devices you lose out on a whole lot of functionality (DVD, good graphics HW, CD burning, Large HDD etc etc etc.)
Plus, on the two devices Microsoft was showing off (so presumably the best two available devices) the battery life was appalling - at around 1 - 2 hours. For a portable device like this to succeed, we need to see 'day's use' longevity, which will probably realistically mean 6 -8 hours. So what gives, there are fully fledged notebooks available with TWICE the battery life of this device, which is supposed to be more personal and available 24/7 than a notebook.
Plus (and it could be because I only had it for 20 mins) the way that Windows Tablet edition responds to the pen is very confusing, you write away and all of a sudden it thinks you are trying to press buttons, and all sorts of stuff gets clicked on, then it'll calm down for the last couple of words of your sentence and go back to recognising handwriting.
And what's more, the two MS employees openly stated their pessimism for the devices, and admitted they had no idea how to use the interface.
Plus - with the devices that are simply going to be like a notebook without the keyboard half (rather than the notebook like ones that have an actual keyboard that folds around to the back of the screen) how on earth is the screen protected? A pouch? A cover? If so - this seems more ungainly than a conventional ultralight notebook (Vaio, PowerBook G4 etc).
And the things are *heavy*.
Sorry, but I was very underwhelmed by the Tablet PC, and find it surprising to hear of this reaction (cheering, clapping) from *anybody* let alone people who you'd expect to understand more about the industry
There is nothing special about the Tablet PC, it's *just a small notebook with handwriting recognition* - and my final justification is that apparently the devices will cost *A LOT* - thousands of GBP. -Peter
What marketing crap. None of this is new. (Score:4, Informative)
Tablet PCs have been around for more than a decade at least. Fujitsu has the Stylistic and Point lines (some of them very current and very powerful), Casio has the Fiva, Panasonic and Sharp have models, and even the IBM ThinkPad line was originally given its name because the first models were tablet PCs with essentially the same form factor. A number of smaller manufactueres have also been making high-end tablet PCs. Just go to eBay and search for 'tablet pc' and you'll se models running the gamut.
Natural handwriting recognition that works has been around forever. The Newton line of PDAs (which admittedly had trouble in early revisions) had very accurate natural, full-speed handwriting recognition and the ability to annotate documents in ink on a largeish, screen by the mid-90's with the release of the 2000/2100 series. These things can open imported MS Office documents in NewtonWorks and you can mark them up to your heart's content. Meanwhile, Paragraph's Calligrapher (eventually to become Microsoft's Transcriber in a licensing deal) has been available for years for Windows CE tablet PCs (which aren't even mentioned among the models above) and also provided natural handwriting recognition and digital ink for annotating documents. The same Paragraph product for full-fledged tablet PC's was known as PenOffice and provided all of this functionality for users of Tablet PCs running full-fledged Windows. Even Microsoft has done this before (years before) with MS Pen Extensions.
Why is it that Microsoft can always get away with digging up, licensing and/or copying a bunch of old technology that everyone has been before, then throwing a party and calling it their own new invention? It saddens me to think that ten years from now people will believe that MS invented the tablet PC, just like they now believe that Microsoft invented multitasking, databases, graphics, the mouse, the concept of application windows, and the Internet.
apple dropped the ball? (Score:3, Insightful)
Imagine the flat-panel iMac without the connecting tube. Everybody says "the screen makes you want to touch it and adjust it" wouldn't it be cool if you could pick it up and carry it into the next office?
Personally, I've been wishing for a nice wireless tablet PC for home use for a while. So I can read slashdot while plopped on the couch, of course.
They killed it, now they (try to) resurrect it (Score:5, Insightful)
Along comes MS with vaporware called "Pen Windows" and the whole industry collapses because everyone wants to see what the 800 lb. gorilla is going to do. Naturally, attempting to kludge up an entirely new UI on top of Windows fails miserably, but not before everyone else runs out of money and the idea dies.
Of course, there were other issues, CPU performance, LCD cost, etc. but the technology was relegated to the Newton (and the subsequent PDA industry) where it has languished for 15 years.
Corel Grafigo (Score:3, Informative)
Really On The Right Track (Score:5, Interesting)
Comments from people who have never or barely used the machines should be discounted. The work done at Microsoft Research in the area of merging bitmap and vector algorithms and compression/journaling (per the "behind the scenes account") is far beyond anything of which I am aware on any competing platform.
That said, the resources necessary to accomplish the promoted tasks are large and will affect battery life. When the machines debut on November 7th and become integrated into the lives of the targeted audience, I believe it will become clear that, this time anyway, Microsoft is farther down the road than anyone else.
About half of all Americans cannot type or efficiently use a keyboard. Not surprisingly, that's also about the penetration of PC use in the general population. This could be Microsoft's bid to achieve similar penetration of such appliances as the television and the telephone.
Highly pre-mature attempt.. (Score:5, Interesting)
When I brainstorm, sketch, diagram, etc. I use paper and pen. When I write, program, or do anything else structured, I use a keyboard. I have precisely zero need or desire for one of these "Tablet PC's."
Now, a real piece of innovation would be "electronic paper" nearly as flat and flexible as the real thing. Think 400dpi with a reversible draw/erase stylus. But it should be dumb--nothing more than a reflective monochrome bitmap device. You draw to turn pixels on and erase to turn them off. And it's only interface would be to transfer these page bitmaps to and from my desktop or laptop. (where I can do character recognition if I really need it) This electronic paper would also be excellent for reading books, newspapers, docs, man pages, etc.
How long before libXsvg modules ... (Score:3, Insightful)
SVG is the killer secret computing technology. 10 years in the making in W3C labs, perfected by Gnome, built in to Mozilla and waiting to be bundled into X and
BLOW EVERYTHING OUT OF THE WATER!
it is not a Microsoft's concept (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, "soon" turned out to be 2002. Let's not add insult to injury by ascribing these ideas to Mirosoft. Ink, ink journals, annotation, and handwriting recognition were not invented by Microsoft.
I think people also overestimate the difficulty of putting this kind of software together. If Tablet PCs catch on and become widely available, I think you will see a similar Linux/X11 infrastructure within a year. X11 is actually more modular and better suited to building this kind of software than Windows.
It Never will be a big deal (Score:3, Interesting)
Now if they came with bolt holes so we can bolt them to the desk..
Microsoft HARDWARE (Score:4, Interesting)
Say what you want about Microsoft's software, marketing, and management... but their hardware products are amazingly good.
Credit Where it's Due (Score:4, Insightful)
If they fairly produce a product that is useful and works well -- standing on it's own merits, then I say good luck to them.
I must say though, I'll believe a good Microsoft product when I actually see it for myself.
Re:unbelievable (Score:4, Funny)
Microsoft (MSIE) has just released a beta version of there upcoming Human Resource Management tool, called MS Brainwash 2003. It's said to give offices serious productivity spurs and makes office meetings a breeze. The product is expeced to release around sping 2003.
All that is old will be new again (Score:5, Informative)
At least they're smart enough to implement it coherently unlike a dozen or so who've tried previously. It sounds like this product is about 70% of what a Dynabook is supposed to be.
-- Multics
Re:unbelievable (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh, and the input stylus is electromagnetic, not pressure-sensing, ANY document (not just MS) can be annotated, and the journal software is AMAZING in its power and flexibility.
Whatever makes you think that this comment was submitted by a Microsoft promoter?
Could it be the fact that he was able to pick out the 150 linux users in the crowd and knew that they were "floored" by the Tablet PC demo?
This submission has stink written all over it. Good call.
Re:damn, looks hot! (Score:5, Funny)
Anyone remember 'Pen' computing (Score:3, Informative)
Clearly there is demand for this type of thing if it is well done and well integrated, but there is little to be learned from a rigged demo. The technology background piece has some interesting tidbits, but it doesn't seem like any of the interesting research is coming from MS in the first place.
If we are lucky, some interesting hardware will be built with higher quality input devices, and maybe that will spark some good research. Research is better done in open source, so hopefully the hardware drivers will be available to make this work in Linux.
Re:waiting with bated breath (Score:5, Interesting)
This, boys and girls, is exactly the reason Microsoft is so successful. More power to them. When was the last time you heard the average person waiting with baited breath for Red Hat 8.0 to come out? "Look! It now supports a new video card that shipped in my machine 12 months ago! Woohoo!"
Not a flame, just an observation. Microsoft really knows how to stir up the troops and get them excited over nothing but cybercrack. Open your wallets folks and enjoy the ride, I sure do.
Re:waiting with bated breath (Score:2)
Anyway, after only one installation, never really had the chance to play with it since.. Great DB, too bad it's caged to one OS.. I would choose it ANY day over oracle if it ran on linux.
Re:But is it open? (Score:2)
Re:So what? (Score:2)
1) doesn't fold like laptop
2) has palm graffiti AND handwrite recognition
3) be 2 times larger than a palm pilot
4) has at least an equivalent of 200Mhz Pentium,
energy-independent storage and >=32 Mb memory
hmm... may be Simputer?!
and surely I want Linux on that thingie (or at least to have an ability to put Linux on it).
Re:Killer App? (Score:3, Insightful)
Then add lots of pointy haired bosses with a similar attitude.
That said, I still don't think they will be successful long-term. Because it's Microsoft and it's "revolutionary", no matter how old the idea really is, so I see many morons buying it in the next months.
But! there is not much use for it. There are not really many situations in which a tablet PC is better than a PDA or a Laptop. That's why the great "revolutionary" tablet-PC has been converted into a tablet/laptop hybrid. Tablet-PCs have lots of problems. They are heavy, they are fragile, the touch-screen gets dirty fast, and the center of gravity is in the screen, not the lower unit which will make it fall over easily in laptop-mode. I'd guess that most buyers will realize that they keep their laptop-part attached all the time anyway and will buy a slimmer, lighter, faster and cheaper laptop - or a PDA - in the next upgrade cycle.
So I expect a very short tablet-PC craze which will die down soon.
Re:electromagnetic stylus!=good (Score:3, Informative)
Maybe someone can make a hybrid version.