Usenet Archive from 1981 217
Brandon Downey writes: "I found this site the other day, after giving up on Dejanews in disgust. (Does
anyone think they don't suck these days?) Apparently, this site's
owner has resurrected a tape archive of usenet posts from 1981-1982.
The site appears courtesy of Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, and David Wiseman, who deserve credit for compiling this utterly intriguing
selection of articles from our past."
What's amazing is not so much how far we've come, but how visionary some of the people then were.
Take this little gem, for instance:
Aallegra.131 net.general utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ihnss!mhtsa!allegra!rdg Thu Nov 12 21:05:29 1981 democracy wouldn't it be great to be able to use this electronic medium to send notes to our government officials? i never seem to write postal letters or telegrams, but we all seem to find these electric notes convenient enough to use often. can you imagine net.reagan with a few authentic replys? The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright© 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.The archive gets better than this though -- there are articles about whether you can be prosecuted for profanity on usenet, copies of the TCP/IP digest volume 1, and even people asking for dice rolling programs for d&d on a vax! Check it out for yourself, it's well worth the read."
Re:First reviled Spam (Score:1)
Canter & Seigal (also sp?) were posting Green Card Lottery Spam, IIRC.
I think they were the inspiration for the CancelMoose too, weren't they?
I always wanted one of those T-Shirts, too!
This is my
Re:I am disapointed ... (Score:2)
Hope this helps,
Rev
I can't be usenet! (Score:1)
Re:What do people have against Deja? (Score:2)
Granted, this would suck if you really liked the Usenet archives, but I've never used them. What is the need for them? Is it more of a look back, reread past conversations and what-not? Sorry, I just don't understand the need to have it all archived; it's always nice to have the option, I guess, but it's not an option I've needed/used...
Re:Talking about visionary ... (Score:1)
Re:DejaNews sucks - Alternatives? (Score:2)
Also available at your local neighborhood freshmeat [freshmeat.net]
Bill Joy! (Score:3)
Aucbernie.2227
net.rumor
utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!ucbernie!daemon
Fri Apr 16 10:38:54 1982
Bill Joy's plans
Bill Joy has decided to become involved with a new startup company and
will be phasing out of the CSRG over the next few months. He will be
joining Sun Microsystems, Inc., a company whose founders include Andy
Bechtolsheim, the designer of the Sun workstation. SMI is one of a
number of companies which plan to offer microprocessor-based networked
workstations running 4.2BSD software.
Bill plans to continue full time until July 1 when an early version of
the 4.2BSD distribution should be complete and running in house. He
will continue half time through its polishing, tuning, beta testing and
documentation phases. Bill expects to finish writing his PhD thesis by
December.
Bill will continue as a contributor and advisor to CSRG, although it
will be a secondary activity for him. While SMI may need to develop
proprietary software in certain specialized areas, Bill expects fixes
to the shared base of 4.2BSD programs which are made at SMI can be
distributed by Berkeley. The current cooperative efforts between CSRG
and various industrial groups are seen as a model for the
relationship.
Bill has been a valued colleague and friend during his years at
Berkeley and he will be very much missed. I hope you will join me in
wishing him well as he makes this transition.
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is"
Why would there be a Linux newsgroup? (Score:1)
Chris Hagar
Faulty logic (Score:1)
Deja is providing a service which is in demand, as is evidenced by the large number of lusers in this forum complaining about it.
Deja provides this service for free, so there is no legal avenue for any of their lusers to require improved service. Nor can their lusers threaten to withhold payment.
Deja is apparently the best provider in this market segment, so there will be no migration of customers to competing services.
Given those facts, please explain to me why they are going to be "out"?
Re:What do people have against Deja? (Score:1)
First, they switch their company from being the top player in providing a good, useful, and focused service (Usenet posting and archival), to become just another one of the myriad 'me-too' portal sites with a low-grade product comparison and rating scheme tacked on.
Secondly, they then took the one part of their service that was unique and served an important purpose for the online community (the Usenet archive) and place it offline for the last 3 1/2 months... and who knows (if?) when it will ever return?
Whatever happened to doing one thing better than anyone else as a viable business model, instead of having everyone trying to to the same things badly?
Peter Langston (Score:1)
Aesquire.123
net.unix-wizards,net.v7bugs
utzoo!decvax!duke!chico!esquire!psl
Sun Aug 16 13:54:43 1981
setuid & the super user
I see in the very interesting newgroup unix-wizards there is a reply to a message by Bill Joy from Peter Langston.
I wonder if this is the same Peter S. Langston (www.langston.com) who developed the predecessor of the immortal game: Empire?
Re:Check out The Email Addy's (Score:2)
and a reply! (Score:2)
http://communication.ucsd.edu/A-News/NET.rumor/
And here's a reply to the Bill Joy rumor:
Fri Apr 16 14:47:31 1982
To my broker
With reference to the previous rumor (Bill Joy):
Sell Berkeley July futures short.
Buy SMI July long.
Lynn F. TenEyck
unc!lynn
aint that the truth.
"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is"
Jargon Says... (Score:2)
It appears that the emoticon was invented by one Scott Fahlman on the CMU {bboard} systems sometime between early 1981 and mid-1982.
Re:paper on usenet early days (Score:2)
Jillian.
Re:Dejanews... (Score:1)
Re: Age (Score:1)
Re:DejaNews sucks - Alternatives? (Score:2)
Re:What no microsoft groups? (Score:1)
Re:early B1FF sighting (Score:2)
For all you know he might be writing on a machine which doesn't have lowercase characters... like... well... god, I have no idea what you would use to connect from your office/whatever in those days...
A Timex Sinclair 1000 desparately soldered togther to emulate an RS232 port?
Unless there were actually VTs which were case impaired....
Maybe a PET which would require switching video modes to see 40 columns of lower case characters.
Re:The Suicide Club is meeting where? (Score:1)
Re:The Suicide Club is meeting where? (Score:1)
paper on usenet early days (Score:3)
For instance:
Enjoy.
J.J.
Be careful what you wish for... (Score:1)
From: Hamilton.ES at PARC-MAXC
Subject: FILM-BUFFS disappears
Several higher authorities believe that the existence of FILM-BUFFS
would be pushing the use of the Arpanet too far beyond its
research-oriented mandate. Not wanting to jeopardize the lists we
have now, I yield to those people's better judgment.
Oh, for the day when such strictures disappear! When WORLDNET lets
each interested party EFT his $10/yr for "postage", and Large Lists
rule the world!
Usenet in 2020? (Score:1)
("Oh look... they still tried to discuss the pros and cons of win 2000... how cute!")
Re:Hey! (Score:1)
(2:283/309.5 was my first number, several others lost in the mists of time to follow)
Re:Dejanews... (Score:2)
"Old Usenet messages - Starting May 4, many messages posted over two years ago will not be accessible on a temporary basis, and after May 8, all messages posted over a year ago will not be accessible on a temporary basis. We will be taking this opportunity to reconfigure the service that provides messages posted prior to May 1999. Therefore, these messages will not be accessible on the site for some time, possibly a few months. Have no fear: We're committed to bringing these messages back online as soon as possible."
Why they feel they have to "reconfigure the service" is beyond me.
Re:DejaNews sucks - Alternatives? (Score:1)
Mikael Jacobson
Re:IBM PC (Score:2)
Sheesh, now I bitch about my DSL not being up yet and how I have to settle for these lame 52k connections all the time...
Re:What...no alt.sex.* ? (Score:2)
net.movies [ucsd.edu]
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I've got the first year archives (Score:1)
I've got them sitting right here, but you probably don't want them, it's only a few megabytes of this crap:
Asdcsvax.300
NET.unix.wizards
utzoo!duke!decvax!ucbvax!sdcsvax!jmcg
Wed Jan 16 03:40:05 1980
First post!
Asri-unix.301
net.unix-wizards
utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!menlo70!sri-unix!chico!
trb@
Sat May 26 20:11:18 1980
Usenet r0x0r5! Imagine a beowulf of these newsgroups!
Re:Price of Paperbacks in 2001 (Score:1)
Really putting the dot in .com (sorry, Sun) (Score:1)
From: decvax!watmath!bstempleton at Berkeley
Subject: standard net address
... It seems to me that userid@site.forwarder is much more sensible than userid.site@forwarder. (this is a simple change that had better not take more than 1 minute to implement in any already written code - or else the code was badly done)
at sign is found rarely in userids, and almost never on the arpanet, if at all. Dot is found commonly. It seems to make sense to say, you want to join our net, here is a format for your site name, instead of "here is a format for your userid names"
Aside from all that userid@location is much more readable than userid.location if you ask me...
Re:Gamerz Warez ! (Score:2)
Discussion in NET.misc about UNIX plurality (Score:1)
Quotes and references:
The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright© 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.
Chris Hagar
Re:Find your own posts (Score:2)
Any bets.... (Score:2)
How about the first Ponzi scheme?
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Programming, is like sex.
Computer Historian Wanted (Score:2)
Re:Time travel (Score:1)
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Anti-government rant! (Score:1)
The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright© 1981, 1996 Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.
I wonder if these people had any idea they would all be posted on Slashdot..
Chris Hagar
Re:What do people have against Deja? (Score:1)
Such memorable moments... (Score:1)
*insert shifty eyed paranoid scene here*
They must be stopped... oh yes...You'll never take me alive!
Internet archive? (Score:1)
I am disapointed ... (Score:1)
I tought this was what newsgroups were all about...
.. an excellent TCP/ip history message (Score:1)
Here, Bill Joy and Bob Fabry discuss the progress of BSD tcp/ip, and it's quite interesting. From what i understand, bill developed it while everyone else squabbled over clunky, slow tcp/ip implementations. Bill also made sure it was scalable for faster lines (10mbit for example). Other implementations only seem to get 100kbit/sec..
On 11/780's, these numbers typically scale up by 1.4 so that we can project the throughput with the improvements described above to be about 11.2 Megabaud, user-user.
And.. the end-note which proves it's historical significance..
We will be working with Rob Gurwitz at BBN in the coming weeks, combining our version of TCP/IP with his current version. We look forward to making a high-performance version of the protocol available to the VAX/UNIX community at an early date. Regards, Bill Joy and Bob Fabry
This is a killer archive. Someone needs to collect all old archives of old 'net' material and categorize it. For example, Kern & richie (c inventors) have old stuff on their web pages, like Source code to a C compiler from 1971! (1971!!!!!!!)
CLearly there is a demand, and a need for all academia et al to pull old data off their tapes, before it's too late.
Visonary (Score:5)
net.general
uses for this new medium
Thu Nov 11 22:15:01 1981
wouldn't it be great if we could use this new medium for advertisers to send us needless, unwanted messages about their products? Perhaps we could get advertisements for where to find pornography even! Think of the possibilities!
MyopicProwls
Echelon vs Slashdot (Score:4)
When is Slashdot going to make its archives accessible?
Perhaps an Idea Futures [ideosphere.com] claim may be in order that says "Deja, Inc. will make its full archives accessible sooner than will Slashdot." It sure would be nice to be able to write a present day article and link back to comments/articles in the Slashdot archives.
Over a year ago there was a post on Slashdot about the origin of Deja News and its plausible connection to the NSA. That post is no longer accessible via the web. Deja, Inc., having started in the "Echelon II" building within walking distance of top NSA spook Bobby Ray Inman's MCC and its linguistic data mining spin-off Cycorp [cyc.com] in Austin is a story to which comments in this article might like to link if we are to discuss the value of the 1981 Usenet archive in context of the larger problem it is trying to solve:
How to decentralize control of history.
Well geez (Score:1)
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Ah, those were the days. (Score:3)
I remember when the entire collection of newsgroup names would fit on a single sheet of paper. alt.pathetic-egos-creating-useless-groups hadn't happened.
I remember when everyone used their real EMail address in the FROM: line -- because there weren't any scum-sucking address-harvesting bastards who'd spam your mailbox to death.
And I remember my only access was a teletype terminal...
There are still useful Usenet groups, and they're not even heavily spammed. It's worth snagging a copy of Free Agent and accessing the Usenet from a proper application, instead of those godawfulw web-enabled things like Deja.
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Re:Faulty logic (Score:1)
Deja isn't providing the service which is in demand (Usenet archival). That's why there is 'complaining'. If said service in demand is no longer available or continues to be trivialized and shunted aside by the company, Deja will be 'out' when they go out of business from the loss of customers.
Deja provides this service for free, so there is no legal avenue for any of their lusers to require improved service. Nor can their lusers threaten to withhold payment.
Who ever mentioned legal matters? If Deja gets lost in the strands of the web because of its ill-advised attempt to become a product portal (such a 'last century' concept!), they will lose whatever market share they still have from attrition and eventually cease operations - or try another web fad of the moment when the cash flow crunch comes. OUT!
Deja is apparently the best provider in this market segment, so there will be no migration of customers to competing services.
What market? Certainly you don't mean that Deja is the best provider among the dime-a-dozen 'product rating' and 'product comparison' services? It seems (to me) to be to be the height of foolishness to give up on the unique and important service that made your company/brand known and used widely throughout the net (effectively what Deja did in its business model switch). Instead of building on the market segment they were dominant in and branching out from there into related areas, Deja stuffed Usenet into the back closet and jumped onto the latest net fads to be an also-ran among the myriad 'portals' and 'product' sites that currently clutter the web. Sounds like a losing and ultimately fatal strategy to me.
And that's why Deja will most likely be 'out' if they don't refocus soon - first on bringing back the Usenet archive (which should be their #1 priority in my opinion) and then dumping the extraneous aspects of their site that are overdone and duplicated elsewhere, exchanging those for a narrower and more specialized focus that their company can truly be ascendant in. Perhaps they'll even have some openings for those looking to be the 'internet historians' that we've been talking about the past few days?
In the end, it's better to be a Deja that provides a solid, well-known, and widely used service to the online world than try and fail at being one of a million Yahoo! wannabes.
This answers all of our questions (Score:1)
Cracking: 19 years, saaaame story. (Score:5)
net.followup
utcsrgv!utzoo!decvax!watmath!idallen
Tue Mar 9 21:49:08 1982
On telling people not to crack security.
It's like avoiding a black market -- either you "license" people under your own roof to play with your system and (possibly along the way...) find holes, or else you tell them not to play and force them "underground". I'd rather find out from people close at hand, that my system has holes. Telling people not to play won't stop holes from being found. It just means they will be found by less friendly people. -IAN!
Mmmm.......seems familiar. (Score:3)
Awatmath.1400
net.jokes
utzoo!decvax!watmath!bstempleton
Fri Jan 8 01:31:59 1982
How many USENET people does it take to change a light bulb?
Well, it all depends. If the person decides to change it quietly,
only one. If he mentions it on the net however...
One to have a bulb that needs changing.
One to start up a group called net.lightbulbs.
Another to suggest it should be called net.bulb so subgroups can exist.
Another to post to net.lb and two more to yell at him/her.
Another to post to net.bulb
Mark to claim net.bulb is official.
Another to start up net.bulb.ge to discuss whether General Electric bulbs are the best type.
Another to say that as news administrator of N machines, he should decide the name of the newsgroup.
Two more to suggest that the whole issue of what kind of light bulbs to use be discussed at USENIX.
Ten more to claim that many who won't be at USENIX still use bulbs and that the net is the right place to discuss it.
One person to make a typo and post to net.bulbs.
Somebody in the midwest to claim that since they use exclusively LEDs that their funders would not tolerate system resources being used to discuss light bulbs, and that they will not take or forward net.bulb.
Three members of the ACLU to claim this is censorship and evil.
Two more to defend it as control of resources. One to ask in net.unix-wizards if anybody has a DH driver that can control
an rs-232 lightbulb controller.
Another to insist that no DH on a 780 has lightbulbs attached.
Somebody from the ARPANET to insist that DCA will not fund discussion of lightbulbs that are not DOD approved.
Matt and Mark again to suggest a usenet policy on bulbs.
As you might have guessed, the correct answer is infinite, cause it will never end...
-Brad Templeton
The Usenet Oldnews Archive: Compilation Copyright© 1981, 1996
Bruce Jones, Henry Spencer, David Wiseman.
What's there and not there... (Score:3)
Most disturbing is the net.suicide newsgroup, however. At first I thought it was there for some introspective views on the possible collapse of the internet they were on. Turns out to be a newsgroup where posters want to commit suicide. (When a poster no longer posts to the group, does that mean he's been successful?)
Find your own posts (Score:3)
Re:Ah, those were the days. (Score:2)
Any comparable (in quality) *nix client? I like pan, but it's interface could use some teaking and it's still a bit buggy.
Re:You get what you pay for (Score:2)
Re:first documented root shell.. and script kiddie (Score:2)
On Unix at that time, people's terminal /dev entries were generally writable (unless you did a "mesg n" command). You could send a command to a "smart" terminal that would get echoed back to the Unix system. It would appear that the targeted user had typed the command.
About this time, I found a bug in 4.1BSD that allowed you to bounce commands off a user's terminal without even knowing what kind of terminal they had.
By the way, I have a boring post in this archive. I posted as "unc!jqw", which was an account I had hacked into at that time.
The Beginning of Compact Disks... (Score:2)
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What...no alt.sex.* ? (Score:2)
sheesh...what prudes.
first documented root shell.. and script kiddie! (Score:5)
Wed Mar 3 15:38:05 1982
UNIX security breach
The rootshell: (post contains quote from LA Times)
Computer experts are scurrying to counter what may be the most serious threat to computer security to crop up since the machines were invented.
A group of students at the University of California at Berkely figured out an extremely simple and undetectable way to crack a large number of computer systems and remove, change or destroy the information they contain.
...
[Note: notice the word "crack". At least they got it right back then!]
The script kiddie: (poster asking for the sploit)
Overclocking in 1981! ;-) (Score:5)
Bruahahahaha
And he went on to design the Pentium! (Score:5)
Amcnc.1058 net.bugs.4bsd utcsrgv!utzoo!decvax!duke!mcnc!swd Wed Feb 10 13:57:15 1982 fp bug?
On our 11/70, this program
double cos();
main() {
printf("%20.20f\n", cos(0.0));
}
prints out
1.00000000000000000000
On our VAX 11/780, it prints
1.00000000000000010000
We are not amused.
Has anyone else encountered this problem and/or fixed it?
We have compared the cos routine on the 11 and the 780 and they are identical.
Some things never change... (Score:2)
net.jokes
utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!eagle!ihnss!karn
Mon Dec 14 12:36:57 1981
How many computer engineers . . .
One to redesign your house wiring.
One to suggest improvements to the design.
One programmer to scoff because light bulbs will be free in the near future.
Re:IBM PC (Score:2)
That takes me back... In 1990 I spent 5 grand on a 386 25Mhz with 4MB of RAM and an 80 MB hard drive. It had a 2400 baud modem. I joined a local bulletin board system and had one hour access a day. It cost me a little less than my DSL does now. If I was quick, I could download about one megabyte in that one hour. Telix was the terminal program of the gods - it had ZModem downloads with the ability to resume broken downloads.
A few years later I spent 300 dollars on the Sound Blaster Pro when it came out - it was the first stereo sound card, but was only 8-bit. In 1994 I installed Linux.
Kids these days - you don't know how lucky you are.
</old_guy_voice>
Torrey Hoffman (Azog)
not a big usenet fan, but... (Score:2)
Re:No TLDs on the email ?? (Score:2)
No, IBM invented the Pentium bug. (Score:2)
After revolutionizing the data processing industry with the 360, IBM is now revolutionizing mathematics. It seems that sometimes the IBM personal computer will tell you that
Wow. (Score:2)
Gotta love the quote, though: "TCP and IP, the DoD Standard Networking Protocols for the Eighties." How modern yet quaint!
sulli
You get what you pay for (Score:2)
</RANT>
net.jokes And the Censorship Debate (Score:2)
Awatmath.1335
net.jokes,net.news
utzoo!decvax!watmath!bstempleton
Fri Dec 18 22:02:24 1981 The censorship debate
OK : here goes.
*Flame on*
The debate on this topic is astounding. I was a little surprised to see my own site contributing so much of the net.jokes.q material, but I see other sites have made up for their slack. I have a (perhaps mistaken) impression that the people reading this come from a group far more educated than the general public. We are not the general public - we're UNIX programmers, users and students working in high-tech environments. For this reason I am under the impression that ideas like censorship would not be brought up. Censorship, as I see it, is based on a few tenets. One, somebody decides that certain material might tend to deprave or corrupt. That some people might take something under the heading of jokes seriously indicates they are the ones who should get their heads examined. Secondly, censors (in a broader sense) snip because of possible libel. Again, a joke is rarely considered in such terms. Some censors want to snip because material 'offends' them. It's difficult to argue with such people, (not because they have a point, it's just difficult to argue with them) although many have tried. A typical example occured recently at Universities all over Canada
Recently feminists of all sorts tried to close down Engineering society newspapers on campuses. At this university, the society arranged it so they would distribute their paper, Enginews, only to students who came into the society office and showed a valid student card! Despite this, some people claimed they found the material offensive, even though they had to work subversively to get it. (I might add, the paper still publishes)
The netnews is in some forms a 'press', but it is a unique new type. With this system, I can have the computer screen out the smut I don't want to see for me. This gives the censors even less of a leg to stand on because it is now clearer that only those who have asked to read net.jokes.q are reading it.
Ah well, enough tirade. I just hope that this new form of news and discussion distribution does not fall prey to vultures. Those of us on the ARPAnet and usenet are pioneers, in a way, of what may become the main method of news distribution. Let's do it right.
Another note: Somebody suggested signing names. CCA-UNIX has a rather nice and simple mod to their mail which puts the name from /etc/passwd
(entered vi chfn) into a mail message every time. Perhaps something
for this in news might be nice.
Re:What's there and not there... (Score:2)
That's no excuse.
Check out The Email Addy's (Score:2)
Very interesting stuff here.
Re:Ah, those were the days. (Score:2)
It really is a nice bit of kit.
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Now I want a special news client.. (Score:2)
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Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme choses... (Score:2)
net.micro
utcsrgv!utzoo!decvax!microsof!gordon
Tue Feb 2 09:53:34 1982
XENIX - real UNIX
In response to the characterization of XENIX as a UNIX look-alike, I would like to point out that Microsoft XENIX is the real thing: A superset of Bell V7 UNIX.
We have our 3.0 distribution, and XENIX 3.0 will soon be available. Bell forces us to call it something besides UNIX (the word 'UNIX' can be used only in the context of 'the UNIX operating system'), so XENIX it is.
gordon letwin
decvax!microso
Having worked on XENIX (argh that really dates me), I remember being glad when I first saw this announcement, but not so glad after the company bought a copy. How times change....NOT.
Contest (Score:2)
Something's Missing... (Score:2)
I though about this for a while, then it hit me: the alt.flame, alt.duche-bag, and alt.hairy.duche-bag groups are missing enitrely! Not only that, but no SPAM!
Me, I envy those of you who had the privilage of using the internet while it was still primarily an information source, not a marketing media.
I was only about a year old when this archive was created.
No TLDs on the email ?? (Score:2)
tcp-ip@brl
Postel@isif
Geoff@SRI-CSL
Re:Dejanews... (Score:2)
Of course, you shouldn't have to understand, you're just a 'consumer' of the service.
And aren't companies, even dot.coms, theoretically supposed be give at least lip service to the maxim that 'the consumer is always right'? The attitude that "mere consumers" have no need to know why corporate actions are taken is a serious problem generally, and in the specific case of Deja's removal of the Usenet archive, the 'blackout' of information as to why it was done has probably contributed to more ill feelings toward the company than the actual takedown of the archive itself.
Actually, the specific information that you just shared with us is exactly what Deja (and other companies/services) SHOULD be telling their consumers when a major change like the removal of the Usenet archive is done.
People can understand and be tolerant of the considerable issues in moving the company, compacting and transferring the data to new servers, etc... but its hard to have empathy for vague, unjustified 'reasons' and hollow platitudes 'promising' to return the archive... someday... that seem to be stonewalling and cover-up. (Which is basically all that Deja has publicly posted on the subject.)
Thanks for posting, Deja Development Monkey! Your one explanation has been more enlightening than months of emails to the company itself.
OB: AOL sucks. (Score:2)
Ahh... a few chapters:
1) alt.binaries: Not just for fractals anymore
2) alt.sex.bondage.particle-physics: Quarks turn you on?
3) AOL Sucks, the formative years.
I still really like USENET, though. You just have to be a little more selective about the groups you frequent. ('sci.physics' ain't what it used to be...)
Longest Thread (Score:2)
The topic? The rumor that Spock dies in the new Star Trek movie!
Long live geekdom
Re:First reviled Spam (Score:2)
It was April of 1994. There was spam before they hit, and the term was coined before that. Just no one did it as big as they did and were so blatant about it. Then they got a deal to write a book about it to tell others how to do it, and we all KNEW that usenet would never be the same again.
The book bombed, but others noticed and improved upon the entire idea, much to the chagrin of intelligent netizens everywhere...
Even then... (Score:2)
Geez, even back then, Micros~1 couldn't spell their complete name!
;-)
Re:And to think . .20 years from now . . (Score:2)
Geek 1: "My god. Look at all the eCrap and iWhatever! It's all over the damn place! They actually called website companies 'dot-dot-coms'!'
Geek 2: "Yeah, that's why the marketroids were the first against the wall when the revolution came."
Re:Overclocking in 1981! ;-) (Score:2)
Dejanews... (Score:2)
Re:Computer Historian Wanted (Score:2)
Re:And to think . .20 years from now . . (Score:2)
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IBM PC (Score:5)
Aqumix.1017 net.micro utcsrgv!utzoo!decvax!ittvax!qumix!msc Fri Feb 19 12:18:04 1982 IBM PC I am trying to connect an IBM personal computer as a terminal to my vax. I have the asynchronous communications package from ibm but it is not good.
It is written in basic and is so slow that the speed of writing to the screen is about 600 baud. Also there does not appear to be any way for the vax to erase things from the screen. A backspace code from the vax is sent to the screen as a blotch (actually it looks like a tiny ace of spades). Also it uses a peculiar protocol for transferring files involving XOFF CR and XON CR which I think is going to present difficulties.
Has anyone tackled these problems yet or am I the guinea pig? I think I'm going to have to write a new terminal emulator program which is not in basic. Naturally I would be ecstatic if someone has done it already and could mail me a copy of their program.
As to the pc itself, it is a nice little box and the documentation is pretty reasonable. I have the color graphics controller, the epson printer and controller, a second disk drive, an async comms. card and full expansion of the memory on the mother board.
A word of warning: don't buy one from computerland. Mine was ordered on November 6 last year. In January I received a cpu and a keyboard with the color graphics card and the async comms. card. A b/w monitor and its controller were also ordered but have yet to arrive. We didn't even get a PC-DOS disk with the initial order. We had to badger our local computerland into copying one of their disks for us. The printer didn't arrive until a few days later and the second disk drive only arrived two days ago. A 64k memory expansion card has yet to arrive. Of course I really don't know if the problems are ibm's or computerland's. You have to make up your own mind.
In short the pc was completely unusable when first delivered due to missing key components.
Mark Callow
First reviled Spam (Score:2)
Canter and Seigal (sp?), sometime in the '92-94 era.<p>
That means that Spam has existed on usenet less than half of its life.
Somewhere around here, I have a C&S tour T-shirt that lists dozens of newsgroups. Funny - I can't even remember what they were posting (legal services, maybe, or a pyramid scheme), but it was like someone had thrown a rattlesnake into a little girl's teaparty... every single newsgroup seemed to drop their subject for a few days, and C&S were the object of revile and prediction of Death of the Net, F@11.<p>
Hehehe... sort of like the cries of dismay when Delphiods got connected to the net ("They'll distroy the culture we've built!") followed by, iirc, the AOLers, and then the Protigians.<p>
Somewhere in me is a little ember of anger for how usenet was destroyed, how all the (intentionally) open unix shell accounts, mail relay points, anonymous mail bouncers, and talk and finger services disappeared.<p>
And yes, I still read usenet, find good articles, and am very self aware that "the good ol' days" weren't as good as memory has it. But the "flavor" of 80's netculture will always be missed by many people who participated. (As, I'm sure 90's will be missed, and 70's nc was missed in the 80's).<p>
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Evan
Gamerz Warez ! (Score:2)
net.sources
utcsrgv!utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!G:ARPAVAX:mark
Sun Apr 4 15:16:19 1982
pacman/makefile
CC = cc
# DFLAGS = -DUSG -DNODELAY
DFLAGS = -DNODELAY -DMINICURSES
CFLAGS = -O
LDFLAGS =
CFILES = pacman.c monster.c util.c movie.c
OFILES = pacman.o monster.o util.o movie.o
pacman: $(OFILES)
[snip]- index.html [ucsd.edu]
You can find the rest of Pacman listed here:
http://comm unication.ucsd.edu/A-News/NET.sources/NET.sources
Including:
Subject: pacman/makefile
Subject: pacman/pacdefs.h
Subject: pacman/monster.c
Subject: pacman/movie.c
Subject: pacman/pacman.c
Subject: pacman/util.c
What do people have against Deja? (Score:2)
Re:First reviled Spam (Score:2)
The "Green card lawyers, spamming the globe" shirt?
I have one of those, originally purchased from Joel Furr in 1994 along with a "THE INTERNET IS FULL! GO AWAY!" shirts that were popular in 1994. I have both of them in really good condition that I only wear on "special" occasions. I wore my internet is full shirt to H2K conference in NYC last month.
One day, I'll sell 'em on e-bay! :)
Re:Find your own posts (Score:2)
Hmmm. I had forgotten about this one -
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Found a good one (Score:3)
Dated June 1, 1981. Imagine the time when the Usenet was small enough to sum up in a single ASCII post. It even fits onto one screen. I'm not savvy enough to break it down and analyze it, but someone out there might be able to make a few insightful comments.
Speaking of age, Good God - what is the average age of the typical
Hey! (Score:2)
Hey! FidoNET was never as bad as Usenet was. Mainly because FidoNET retained the idea of personal responsibility, and if you acted like a flaming moron, you got kicked out. If a particular node was a constant source of flaming morons, that node's feed was cut. A far cry from the anarchy and anonymous posts of Usenet, but it kept things sane.
(And yes, I can still remember my FidoNET node number: 1:324/127.4)
:-)
Re:yes (Score:2)
My ISP's news server is Deja. Check it out: http://galaxy.news.gis.net [gis.net].
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Re:First reviled Spam (Score:5)
Oh, yeah... and all that was before HTML.
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I remember the first Spam that was really Spam - in other words, it was a person who didn't care about usenet, crossposted through everywhere, and was just posting commerical ads.
Canter and Seigal (sp?), sometime in the '92-94 era.
That means that Spam has existed on usenet less than half of its life. :)
Somewhere around here, I have a C&S tour T-shirt that lists dozens of newsgroups. Funny - I can't even remember what they were posting (legal services, maybe, or a pyramid scheme), but it was like someone had thrown a rattlesnake into a little girl's teaparty... every single newsgroup seemed to drop their subject for a few days, and C&S were the object of revile and prediction of Death of the Net, F@11.
Hehehe... sort of like the cries of dismay when Delphiods got connected to the net ("They'll distroy the culture we've built!") followed by, iirc, the AOLers, and then the Protigians.
Somewhere in me is a little ember of anger for how usenet was destroyed, how all the (intentionally) open unix shell accounts, mail relay points, anonymous mail bouncers, and talk and finger services disappeared.
And yes, I still read usenet, find good articles, and am very self aware that "the good ol' days" weren't as good as memory has it. But the "flavor" of 80's netculture will always be missed by many people who participated. (As, I'm sure 90's will be missed, and 70's nc was missed in the 80's).
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Evan
DejaNews sucks - Alternatives? (Score:2)
Can anybody point me to a good alternative? Please? I don't understand why there is no other such service, this can't be that hard to build!