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Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by linuxrocks123 (#47580031) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

You're surprised about this?

This is Google being Not Evil by not censoring people. Hate speech isn't illegal in the US. It's protected political speech, the kind most protected by the First Amendment. Google could remove it anyway, but Google is one of the few corporations out there with brass balls and a willingness to stand up for its users.

You must not be from the US. If you were, you'd know there was not and could never be such a law here.

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by linuxrocks123 (#47579949) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

Are you an American? Please say no.

I think it's a testament to how great we are that the American Nazi Party can field a candidate for President if they want.

I also think it's a very, very good thing they would lose horribly.

No one should not be able to run for office just because of what they think. No one should not be allowed to express their thoughts just because of what they think. Everyone has equal rights. Even the asshats.

It's not like extremist groups don't run for office in Europe. They just use dog whistles instead. Are you going to erode your democracy further by trying to ban political groups that look-nativist-but-aren't-explicitly-nativist-but-we-don't-like-them-so-let's-ban-them? How would you make sure giving the current government the power to ban rival parties from elections wouldn't be abused?

I have an idea, how about you not let the current government ban political parties, but have a direct vote on the matter instead?


Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by linuxrocks123 (#47579929) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

I'm almost a free speech absolutist. Like, really really close. Look at my posting history here and on SoylentNews especially if you don't believe me.

And I disagree with you here.

Yes, the people panicking are partly to blame. But, so is the guy who falsely shouted fire in a crowded theater. In a civil suit, both would be liable for damages to the people trampled. And that's the right result.

People are responsible for being dumbasses. But people are also responsible for manipulating other people to do harm, even if the people they manipulate are dumbasses.

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by linuxrocks123 (#47579921) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

Oh geez.

Shouting "Kill the Jews!": protected speech unless they're seriously inciting imminent murder. Stupid and horrible, yes. Protected speech, yes.

Attacking a nearby synagogue: that would fall under assault and arresting people who are using violence is totally okay.

Speech doesn't hurt people. Violence does. Ban violence, not speech.

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by jeIIomizer (#47579493) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

From your post here, your solution seems to be censorship of "hate speech," and you also go on to make an unfounded claim about how revealing people's identities would halt online bullying, which I have no reason to believe or even care about.

I am 100% opposed to government censorship, and punishing people for "hate speech."

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by jeIIomizer (#47579475) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

I never said it should be banned.

Right, so implying the system is not perfect is grounds for shipping me to North Korea? Jumping the gun a little...?

Then why did you suggest a "middle ground" with a "minimal impact" on freedom of speech? What could that be?

Stop being lazy. The situation is not black or white.

The situation is black and white. If you suggest we get rid of anonymity or any other such thing, I oppose you 100%. That's black and white.

What is your suggestion that doesn't impact anonymity or freedom of speech one single bit?

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 2) 232

by jeIIomizer (#47579219) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

And meanwhile, as you worry about a hypothetical threat from your government

1) It's not hypothetical; history has shown many thousands of times over that people with power will inevitably abuse it. To say it's merely "hypothetical" demonstrates that you're ignorant of history.
2) Banning anonymity would infringe upon freedom of speech, privacy, and various other rights in and of itself. The government need not 'abuse' it in order for it to harm people's freedoms.

Though I don't expect you to be capable of understanding that infringing upon fundamental freedoms in the name of safety (from fucking bullies, no less) is rather repugnant.

real people with real lives are really having them destroyed by people who put themselves above the law through the mechanism of anonymity.

It's much worse to surrender fundamental freedoms in the name of safety. In the real world, sometimes lives will be lost, and sometimes there isn't a moral solution. Your 'solution' (which won't work anyway) is completely immoral.

I'm happy for you that you're comfortable with a black and white view where there are absolute rights that are the only important things and where any unintended harmful side effects can be explained away somehow

Whereas I am consistently saddened to see that there exist authoritarian fools who would ban something like anonymity merely because it could be abused. That has no business in any free country.

This is why we need ever more advanced tools to make tracking more difficult, and why free software is so important. To make the jobs of you authoritarians that much harder. You will fail, and you will fail hard.

Comment: Re:If true. If. (Score 1) 174

If one agrees that it is within the governments power to license driving, you are compelled to allow inspections to confirm compliance with the license.

Not if doing so violates people's constitutional rights! Once again, this is specifically a violation of the fourth amendment. You are compelled to do no such thing, and especially not by using methods that require searching and/or punishing everyone.

This is what you don't seem to get. You think the ends justify the means. That it's okay to punish innocent people in your pursuit of catching criminals. It is not.

Operating a vehicle on a shared public road is as public as it gets.

The vehicle itself is not public, so this is irrelevant.

Whole different story if there was random road checks to check, for example, for possession of illegal substances. because it does not relate to license compliance.

Except, using your awful logic, they could require *anything* in order to get a license. They could even require that you surrender *all* of your constitutional liberties, including freedom of speech.

This is the same logic used to justify the TSA: "By doing innocuous activity X (driving, trying to get on a plane, etc.), you implicitly consent to giving up some of your liberties." It's absurd, and there is no constitutional basis for this.

Also I don't think "we got along fine" before DUI road checks. I think a lot more families where crushed and maimed.

You said it was essential. I showed you that it's not. The fact is, we accept casualties in the name of freedom all the time, and that's absolutely fine.

So I do understand that it is a nuanced issue, and that YOU don't think they are constitutional. But your supreme court does and your constitution says they are the ones who make that decision right?

The Supreme Court makes many wrong decisions, as you noted. Here is a quote from one of the founders: "You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.

Our judges are as honest as other men, and not more so. They have, with others, the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is “boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem,” and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control.

The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots.

It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves.

If the legislature fails to pass laws for a census, for paying the judges and other officers of government, for establishing a militia, for naturalization as prescribed by the Constitution, or if they fail to meet in congress, the judges cannot issue their mandamus to them ; if the President fails to supply the place of a judge, to appoint other civil or military officers, to issue requisite commissions, the judges cannot force him.

The Constitution, in keeping three departments distinct and independent, restrains the authority of the judges to judiciary organs, as it does the executive and legislative to executive and legislative organs." -Thomas Jefferson

Judges can be replaced. The people can try to get the government to follow the constitution if they are not doing so. DUI checkpoints are blatantly unconstitutional, no matter what the Supreme Court says.

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 1) 232

by jeIIomizer (#47578527) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

So that mass panic in the theater would have happened anyway, without anyone shouting "fire"?

Perhaps, but perhaps not. It doesn't matter. The speech does not force anyone to do anything; people choose to panic and trample over others, even if it happens unconsciously.

However, there is another solution to this that doesn't violate anyone's rights: The theater owner can kick morons out of the theater, since he/she owns the property! Wow, I'm a genius. Best of all, this doesn't violate the first amendment ("Congress shall make no law...").

or was it all on the person who committed the act?

It was the person who committed the crime. Of course, depending on the incentive given, the other person may have also committed a crime. In this case, I think saying it's a crime is unconstitutional, which means I disagree with many judges.

Comment: Re:If true. If. (Score 1) 174

So your saying that restaurant health inspectors are unconstitutional?

Why don't you read my post more closely? Particularly, the paragraph after what you quoted. Restaurants are also a public place (in the sense that basically anyone can enter them), so it's not even comparable to a car in any way, shape, or form.

DUI checkpoints, however, are absolutely unconstitutional.

If you think road checks are unconstitutional, why isn't the whole process of requiring a license?

You obviously know nothing of the US constitution. Many issues are handled by the states, but the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments to the US constitution) were applied to the states via the 14th amendment, so the power of state governments became more limited. DUI checkpoints violate the fourth amendment of the US constitution. The Bill of Rights says nothing about forbidding the government requiring licenses, and since we're talking about the states, they are technically (as far as I know) not forbidden from doing so.

But they must respect both their own constitutions and the US constitution. Again, DUI checkpoints violate the fourth amendment.

"Bad" government is the problem (corrupt or incompetent or both) not any government.

I agree 100%. Bad government punishes or searches everyone merely because some people are criminals/terrorists/whatever.

I think DUI Road checks are a public good and are essential.

Violating everyone's freedoms in the name of catching criminals is not good in any free country, though it might be good in North Korea.

As for being essential, well, we didn't always have DUI checkpoints, and yet we survived. I'm more than willing to sacrifice safety in the name of freedom. So basically, I oppose your thinking 100%.

Notice that I've never commented on how effective DUI checkpoints are or aren't. That's because I don't care.

Comment: Re:Legitimate concerns (Score 2) 232

by jeIIomizer (#47578451) Attached to: UK Government Report Recommends Ending Online Anonymity

Having lived in the UK and the US for over a decade each, I have some perspective on this, and personally I think it's worth it

Because you're anti-free speech. I know not all people in the UK despise freedom, just like I know not all people in the US despise freedom; sadly, we may be a minority.

[*] It's not a real absolute in the USA, you can't shout "Fire!" in a crowded theatre in the US either

Yes, you can. Even under our stupid rules (most of which violate the constitution), you can at least shout "Fire!" if there is a fire. If you falsely shout it and it causes a panic, then you can be punished. What you said was simply wrong.

Comment: Re:If true. If. (Score 1) 174

Ok how about a food health inspector showing up to inspect your restaurant?

If the constitution does not say the government has such a power, then they don't. That's the end of it.

In the US, many things are left to the states and to the people (it explicitly says that multiple times), so health inspections may be constitutional if the states handle it. However, the bill of rights itself has been applied to the states, so you can't just force people to surrender their rights when they get in a vehicle; that is 100% unconstitutional. That makes DUI checkpoints unconstitutional. There's no amount of ambiguity here for anyone who actually reads the constitution and makes an attempt to understand it.

Again, the solution is simple: Don't punish or search everyone merely because some people are criminals. Instead, have cops on the lookout for people who are actually breaking laws. For instance, swerving around randomly and putting other people in danger. Is not treating everyone like a criminal such a problem?

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