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Comment: Re:Some Real Advice (Score 1) 89

by linuxrocks123 (#49160625) Attached to: OPSEC For Activists, Because Encryption Is No Guarantee

Except that privilege escalation attacks against these multi-decade-old systems appear year after year. A well-funded state attacker (OP is about activists, after all) would certainly have some at their disposal.

All code has bugs. Xen has bugs. Qubes has bugs. And yes, OSes have bugs, although Linux local privilege escalation bugs are not an everyday occurrence, and OpenBSD bugs are very rare. You can't handwave a 0-day privilege escalation vulnerability into existence and claim that there are no 0-day privilege escalation vulnerabilities in Xen.

Re: CD-R, lets assume I use an optical disk to move a quantity of email messages from a networked/untrusted machine to an airgapped one (both conventional architecture). If I export as .eml files, I have to archive them before burning them. So, over and above the risk from nasty email attachments, there is the risk the untrusted machine could use malformed email or archive format to perform an exploit. If you think that's far-fetched, consider how much more complex email and archive formats are compared to the .lnk files that were recently discovered as an NSA exploit.

tar is pretty solid, actually, but, if you don't like it, make up your own trivial archive format (it's not hard), or don't use it and follow a one-disk-per-message protocol. And don't use a filesystem. dd if=email.eml of=/dev/cdrw (approximately), then dd if=/dev/cdrom of=email.eml

Even so, the untrusted networked system could take a chance that you have automounting enabled or that you will inadvertently do something to mount a volume... it could write a malformed filesystem to the disc anyway.

User error could happen with any system. You're really stretching here.

Once an air-gapped system is compromised, it can alter the hard drive firmware to store passwords and keys in a format/cipher readable by the attacker who can later break-in to the premises and steal/confiscate the computer. In a Qubes non-networked vm, there is no out-of-band way to communicate or store info, and a compromised vm wouldn't have access to the disc encryption password in any case.

Where did I ever say any of these computers had hard discs? And of course there's an out-of-band way to store info. Just use a magical vulnerability in Xen I made up to write it to another VM's permanent storage.

What you described #s 1-5 sounds much more complicated than using email in Qubes. And presumably this covers only email for one type of role (work, personal, etc); Covering all the roles means using many additional computers and burning many discs, and each role needs its own disc encryption passphrase.

I have no idea where you're getting that disc encryption has anything to do with anything here, and, no, you could definitely use the same three computers for all your emails. If you find burning discs to be too cumbersome, use floppy disc drivers or Zip drives or something, but it's really not that bad, especially if you don't bother to fixate.

This whole notion you have that "the operating system is insecure so let's put another layer on top of it" is just silly. If you make Xen your operating system, then Xen is your operating system. If you want a secure operating system with no privilege escalation, then that's what you need. Using a hypervisor doesn't magically make security vulnerabilities go away. There have and will be attacks against Xen, against Qubes, and against any other complex pieces of software you create. You want a secure OS, then you need a dead-simple OS written with security in mind. True security comes from simplicity, not complexity.

The one thing I think you're right about is that modern OSes are too complex to provide extreme levels of security. OpenBSD is the best, but even it is a quite complex piece of software. A braindead-simple POSIX-like OS kernel prizing security above all other values may have its uses. It could use generic hardware drivers for the hard disk and display adapter (VESA). Ethernet would be a problem but maybe there's a standard for USB Ethernet adapters? Wayland for the graphics API instead of X, braindead-simple written-from-scratch TCP stack, you get the idea. I'll have to make that when I have time. It shouldn't be too hard.

Comment: Re:Some Real Advice (Score 1) 89

by linuxrocks123 (#49157315) Attached to: OPSEC For Activists, Because Encryption Is No Guarantee

Burz,

I'm not saying it's impossible to customize a USB device. I'm saying rooting a machine to the point that it can customize an arbitrary USB key plugged in by the legitimate operator of the machine is impractical. You're also invoking speculative, unknown attacks against the USB host driver and firmware, which I will see you with my previously invoked unknown, speculative attacks against Xen. Also, you completely ignored my suggestion of using an optical disk if you are concerned about USB.

Safest way I can think of using airgapped machines right now for encrypted email:

1. Copy received email from networked machine C to write-once optical disk.
2. Decrypt received email on airgapped machine A.
3. Compose reply on different airgapped machine B, encrypt reply.
4. Copy encrypted reply to write-once optical disk.
5. Send encrypted reply from networked machine.

This involves three physical computers, but none has to be recent or expensive. Airgapped machine A has no ability to send information to C or B, and airgapped machine B is never touched by any devices from the outside world, and also never needs to know any secret keys, since all you need to encrypt an email message is the recipient's public key. Theoretically you could type such a key in by hand, but in any case it's a once-per-recipient transfer.

I would argue using USB sticks in this scenario gives only a very slight reduction in security, but write-many optical disks would be a practical approach if you're scared of USB. I will say that compiling out obscure and unused USB kernel drivers is a good move, as is disabling USB kernel module autoloading.

Comment: Re:Some Real Advice (Score 1) 89

by linuxrocks123 (#49156625) Attached to: OPSEC For Activists, Because Encryption Is No Guarantee

StackExchange says you're wrong about USB having DMA: http://security.stackexchange....

In any case, BadUSB would require reprogramming the actual device, so I still don't think it is a practical attack vector in this scenario. Moreover, if you're really paranoid, you can use write-once CD-Rs instead of USB devices.

QubesOS is an interesting idea, but it's more complicated and therefore more likely to have bugs than airgapping a machine. You're assuming there are no bugs in Xen, for instance.

As for filesystem bugs, this code has been around for 20 years or more. There are bugs everywhere, but I think especially popular Linux filesystem drivers are likely pretty solid. But go ahead and just dd the file to the optical disk directly and don't use a filesystem if it makes you feel better.

Comment: Re:Some Real Advice (Score 1) 89

by linuxrocks123 (#49151583) Attached to: OPSEC For Activists, Because Encryption Is No Guarantee

Bugs in the filesystem driver, yes, but those are probably pretty rare I'd think. BadUSB, not really. That attack works by emulating a keyboard/mouse HID controller. If you plug your USB drive in and all of a sudden your computer starts typing things and moving the mouse on its own, you would notice immediately. Also it typically requires special hardware; a rooted box couldn't just take a real USB drive and turn it into a HID controller.

Comment: Some Real Advice (Score 3, Informative) 89

by linuxrocks123 (#49144113) Attached to: OPSEC For Activists, Because Encryption Is No Guarantee

- It is technically possible to air-gap the machine you use to access your email, by copying the email over from an insecure computer to the air-gapped machine.
- TAILS is great, but they probably at least try to break it since it's popular. Will they succeed? Maybe. So use an OpenBSD live CD, it's more secure anyway. Or get creative: use Whonix. The FBI's pedestrian attempt at drive-by malware would have fallen flat on its face with an adversary using Whonix.
- Firejail. Google it. Won't protect you against local kernel privilege escalation attacks, though.

Yes, contingency planning is good. Yes, single points of failure are bad. But you can get very, very good communication security if you really try.

Comment: Re:Politely Disagree (Score 2) 696

The lessons of Liberal Arts last for a lifetime, compared to technology which is largely short lived knowledge. I'm sure you were proud of your Commodore64 knowledge like I was at the time, but that stuff all vanished. As did DOS, SunOS 2, HP-UX 9, and all of these other technologies that people said were "essential" to know. The latest application is not important when a large portion of the population can't afford it.

If you learned SunOS 2 or HP-UX 9, most of that knowledge is applicable to Solaris and modern Linux distributions today.

Comment: Re:Be realistic (Score 4, Interesting) 194

by linuxrocks123 (#49107937) Attached to: The Imitation Game Fails Test of Inspiring the Next Turings

And he died more than a year after the end of his "treatment".

This. There is a good chance that Turing actually didn't commit suicide, but rather died of accidental cyanide inhalation. He had set up a chemical lab in his living space and wasn't exactly using OSHA-approved storage protocols for dangerous chemicals. His mother, at the time, said she didn't think he'd killed himself, and contemporary accounts were that he was doing pretty okay. The supposedly cyanide-poisoned apple was not tested for cyanide. None of this is conclusive.

IMO, any modern report on Turing should account for the possibility he didn't kill himself. The suicide angle makes a great story for gay rights activists, but it does a disservice to the memory of this great man to reduce him to a political talking point. The forced hormone treatment was abominable, whether or not it drove him to suicide. There's a chance it did, and a chance it did not.

Comment: Re:Bring it on, folks! (Score 1) 215

by linuxrocks123 (#49078737) Attached to: New Encryption Method Fights Reverse Engineering

Heh ... you're lucky. I seated a PCI card in wrong once and it shorted out. Fortunately, it was only $10 or so to replace.

But, you may have a point: it might be possible to electrically tap the PCI or PCI Express bus and do bad things with DMA, even if the bus wasn't built to support hot-swapping. You'd probably need custom hardware, a lot of time, and a lot of luck, though. Also, you'd need to keep power to the CPU on, meaning stuff like chassis intrusion detectors would be a sufficient countermeasure.

Comment: Re:Redundancy Is Good For Civil Rights (Score 5, Informative) 46

The story is actually very interesting. The Bill of Rights was enacted as a compromise to get the Constitution passed. The Constitution was not our first government -- that was the Articles of Confederation, but the Articles of Confederation basically wasn't working at all because it was a very poor design.

Some highlights: it gave the federal government so little power it couldn't do anything. It couldn't even pass taxes; the states were supposed to voluntarily pitch in. It also required unanimous consent in Congress to pass any law, and Congress was all there was; there was no executive or judicial branch.

So some of the leaders -- the Federalists -- drafted the Constitution to replace it. But there were Anti-Federalists, and they argued the central government would become so powerful it would eventually turn tyrannical. So, the Bill of Rights was added to placate them. We can see now that was a really, really Good Idea(TM).

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