Totally agree. Today's "AI" companies would like their investors to believe there's a path though.

Clearly we're misunderstanding each other. I was saying that investing in the bubbled asset was folly. I think the AI industry will continue to exist after the bubble pops but at a size no larger than the database industry today. So not zero value, but a small fraction of what it is currently.

I do think that the amount of money being invested in AI training for the improvements being produced is an absurd waste. They're spending larger and larger sums of money to produce rapidly vanishing improvements that customers have so far never shown an interest in paying enough to turn a profit with.

So in other words, because chewy.com exists today it would've been smart to invest into pets.com at the height of its value?

This is going to be such a disastrous investment it's going to make Solyndra look like an insignificant whoopsie in comparison. While Chinese product dumping efforts can be hard to foresee, the obviousness and severity of the AI bubble has been on public display for anyone who cares to look for months now. And there's the potential to sink far more money into it. The winner of the AI race is going to be whoever wastes the least money on this folly, and the US looks set for a massive and easily avoidable loss now.

And let's not forget the end goal of this. If someone were to win this race in the fictional imagined scenario where AI didn't hit the core of Diminishing Returns Planet around ChatGPT 4 and there was some kind of path from LLM tech to AGI, the end result would be a technology that augments/replaces labor (same thing, don't be fooled by your boss) in a world dominated by an economic system where most people are workers who need to be able to find buyers for their labor. What could possibly go wrong with that?

I take it you don't have the latest Teams installed, or never used a corporate laptop loaded with all that rubbish management software? A few years ago an 8GB RAM laptop ran perfectly fine. Nowadays on a corporate machine you can't even have office apps open while in a Teams call without paging to disk. My 2 year old laptop is absolutely tanking my productivity. That wasn't the case 2 years ago. Teams didn't take up 3GB of RAM just to do a damn video call back then, but then it also didn't have AI loaded auto translating bullshit with fancy animated background graphics, etc, etc, etc.

You clearly don't work in the corporate world. The adage of "What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away" is still very much alive. My 2 year old work laptop is running like a dog with 4 broken legs thanks to the enshitifcation of groupware. It's at the point now where if I am running teams with a video call I actively close every damn office program that isn't absolutely necessary for the call because the computer runs like shit thanks to Microsoft + corporate spyware.

I have a relatively new laptop and it's absolutely affecting my productivity.

Hardly. Devices on the hardware level aren't that enshitified. Yeah the headphone jack is gone, but those tears should have dried up 10 years ago. For the rest of it, hardware has just been on a steady albeit incredibly minor improvement.

With the average device age still well within the OS update period, the enshitification in the software stack is adopted one way or the other.

That's because you made an assumption. Google never publicly said Fuchsia was a replacement for ChromeOS, nor Android.

Wut? Where did you get vomit from? Do you... "think" that people on these drugs lose weight through *vomiting*? As opposed to, ya know, blunting appetite and slowing gastric emptying?

People on this site get weirder and weirder, ISTG

I'm sorry what? Why are you opening an app to clean your clipboard? If you need to strip short text just literally paste it into any text field, heck paste into the windows search field does the job. If you're cleaning paragraphs of text then it sounds like you're pasting into something that supports paste-special. Notepad isn't a tool for this, literally any windows textbox works equally for this.

Actually it was more. Plenty of people use it to open text files, or make quick edits. You may not, that doesn't mean people weren't using it for its actual namesake. You're right, other tools are better, which makes me wonder precisely why you didn't predict this.

The question isn't why is Microsoft doing this, it's a question of why did it take so long for them to make this incredibly obvious change of developing Notepad further.

Precisely why would any of them wonder that? Have you seen their share price and remuneration package? They have literally no reason to question their current product approach, none what so ever.

To be fair, this is Slashdot. It's impossible for most people here to understand the real world as well, everyone here is very far removed from how the billion other people out there use their PC. I mean the other day someone complained that Windows always needs messing with Powershell to fix something, that will of course be news to the normal users who don't even know what Powershell is.

Slashdotters are not normal. We're power users, neckbeards, BSD / Linux running nerds. Most people here are detached from the reality outside of this. You as well if you think people only open notepad to "clean a clipboard" (a phrase that already makes most users scratch their heads).

What people? Be specific, there's a billion PC users out there. Do you speak on behalf of all of them? Or just the tiny niche techie minority (sorry guys we are not the common user).

Curiously what bugs have you encountered in Notepad? So far I've hit none. Can you describe in what scenario you weren't able to type in Notepad? I'm curious.

I don't know why you think this is a revelation. They have explicitly said they do this in the past. Why would you expect them to mention it now? This story is about AI training, no one asked Google for an itemised list of what they do.

Meh, this kind of crap is what peer review is for. As long as he learns his lesson I'd be fine with letting him keep going. I mean he's still going to MIT so he's not an idiot.

I mean we all act like he got away with this but he was caught during the initial process of peer review. The system really does work.

We all like to complain about how there's thousands and thousands of papers that are just garbage but here's the thing so what? If the papers aren't doing any harm and they're just sitting out there then it's not a big deal. It's not like we are spending all that much money on any of this crap. I'm sure you can come up with a number that sounds big because we have a 33 trillion dollar economy so yeah you could find somebody who maybe got a grant and did some bad research for a few hundred thousand. But in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal

I mean think about how much money we waste on other crap. Human beings are just wasteful creatures. And we kind of need to be to keep our civilization and economy going anyway.

It would be kind of neat to see the algorithms for AI hand it off to a GPU or one of the fancy cores on a modern CPU.

But I can't see that really happening because machine learning algorithms requires so much processing power and modern graphics do the same so you just don't have a lot of head room.

they'll do the same with this shit.

Yeah, us old farts won't cave, but the kids will just grow up with AI Slop as normal. They won't know what they're missing.