Sure, if you want to kill someone, you're right. I think the argument against drones is that if you push a button and someone dies on the other side of the Earth and you didn't have to go to war to do that ... well, fast forward two years and you're just sitting there hitting that button all day long. "The quarter solution" or whatever you want to call it is still resulting in deaths and, as we can see here, we're not 100% sure whose deaths that button is causing. Even if we study the targets really really hard.

No, no we don't. You might say "Al Queda hit us now we must hunt them to the ends of the Earth" but it doesn't mean that diplomacy and sovereignty just get flushed down the toilet. Those country borders will still persist despite all your shiny new self-appointed world police officer badges. Let me see if I can explain this to you: If David Koresh had set off bombs in a Beijing subway and then drones lit up Waco like the fourth of July and most of the deaths were Branch Davidians, how would you personally feel about that? Likewise, if Al Queda is our problem and we do that, we start to get more problems. Now, that said, it's completely true that Pakistan's leadership has privately condoned these strikes while publicly lambasting the US but that's a whole different problem.

Yep, think of the children -- that's why we should use drone strikes, right? Look, war means death. Death doesn't discriminate and neither does war. If you're hung up on it being okay to take a life the second that male turns 18, you're pretty much morally helpless anyway. War is bad. Drone strikes are bad. There's enough bad in there for them both to be bad. This isn't some false dichotomy where it's one or the other. It's only one or the other if you're hellbent on killing people.

News flash: you can argue against drone strikes and also be opposed to war at the same time. It does not logically follow that since you're against drone strikes, you're pro war and pro killing children. That's the most unsound and absurd flow of logic I've seen in quite some time.

Don't forget that the Seal Team that did it all ended up dead not too long after! We can't have any witnesses that might tell the true story some time later, can we!

Immunity against measles in populations of women and infants in Poland. Low titers of measles antibody in mothers whose infants suffered from measles before eligible age for measles vaccination. Outbreaks of Measles have occurred in schools with 99% vaccination rates.

Yes, I have thought about that. Most people are vaccinated for Measles so there are a lot less people getting it that would otherwise if the whole population were not vaccinated. But still, the primary cause of problems from Measles is due to the complications that arise from things like dehydration or poor nutrition. Ask your older relatives how many people they knew when younger that died of Measles. I bet you won't find any. Everybody got it and it wasn't a big deal then. Today it is made out to be a big deal. If you are some starving African kid with no medical attention it can be a problem. But that kid probably doesn't have access to the MMR shot anyway. Here in the USA we have good nutrition and access to medical care. Complications from Measles would be rather rare.

Yep, and making people wear a helmet causes more and worse head injuries than if you don't require them. Sometimes things are not the way you would think they should be.

Why should I care about "the herd"? I am not a cow or sheep. I will do what is right for me and my family. They used to tell you to use all the anti-bacterial solutions in you soap and sanitizers also. Only we now find out it is causing much worse bacteria that we can't kill off. Some studies show that being too clean makes your immune system overreact to things causing allergies and autoimmune diseases. I put vaccines into that category. Getting the disease does something different from getting the vaccine as is evident from the different length of immunity given. I'm not saying people should be getting the polio disease. But go on and ask all your older relatives how many people they knew as a kid that died of Measles and I bet you don't find any. Everyone got it, but they make it sound so scary today in the news and it's not.

Only until people like you get the law changed to make it mandatory that everyone get every vaccine that the government mandates and get the flu vaccine added to the list. California is getting rid of the religious exception for vaccines for school children. I guess we just have to get fake medical records made up then. The situation does not really get better, does it. Plus, when you see these outbreaks in the news, they always fail to tell you how big a percentage of the outbreak is among vaccinated people. The Measles outbreak at Disney Land was mostly among unvaccinated people, but there were five vaccinated people that got it anyway. In New York in 2011 an outbreak was traced to a vaccinated 22 year old that gave it to 4 other fully vaccinated people. Did you know that getting the vaccine can cause you to shed fully contagious Measles virus and you can then make other people sick. You probably didn't know that either, did you.

It seem to me that you people that want to be part of the herd of Sheeple always claim that us "anti-vaxxers" don't know how to think clearly and use scientific methodology and instead just listen to the wackos out there. I find the opposite is true. The people questioning the vaccines we are told to get are always a part of the highly educated demographic and some of the more intelligent people in the population. second paragraph in conclusion In this case you state you haven't heard about something that was discovered back in 2010. I can't help it if you choose to believe the lies spread by vaccine makers and the media, perhaps you need to read up more on the subject before you tell people they should do something when you are flat out wrong. It is in fact the MMR that lack the effectiveness. In particular it is the Mumps part of the MMR. Merk states it is 95% effective. If they don't meet that rate they loose their licence to be the only maker of the Mumps vaccine. So they just lie about it. When challenged and taken to court, their response is that the safety is fine, they don't even try to answer the actual accusation, rather they redirect. the references are included on this site, so don't bother complaining about the link

Here I am referring to Guardasil which was being pushed on young women to prevent cervical cancer even though no studies showed that it did that. Instead, studies showed it increased your risk of getting pre-cancerous lesions.

Again, you spout off while being quite uninformed about the actual facts of the matter. The flu vaccine does make you more likely to get the flu. First of all, getting the shot gives many people flu symptoms for several days. Sounds great to me. Second of all, it makes you much more likely to get the more pandemic type of flu.There is renewed controversy surrounding influenza vaccines, with some studies showing people immunised against the seasonal flu might have been at greater risk during the swine flu outbreak.

So you're saying everyone knew she was lying about her charity donations as well? Or was it only the charities that knew that? From the article:

So you're saying the 300,000 downloads are by people that knew they were downloading the app architected by a liar? And they were paying $3.79 to Apple and this liar for a recipe app that contain recipes that someone lied about helping her cure cancer? And you're saying that everyone at Apple that featured her app on the Apple Watch knew they were showing a snake oil app on their brand new shiny device? And that the people at Penguin did all their fact checking on any additional information this cookbook might contain about Belle Gibson's alleged cancer survival? And that everybody involved in these events know society's been parading around a fucking liar and rewarding her with cash money while she basically capitalizes on a horrendous disease that afflicts millions of people worldwide ... that she never had?

No, this is not the same as "water is wet" and it needs to be shown that holistic medicine is temporarily propped up on a bed of anecdotal lies ... anybody who accepts it as the sole cure for their ailment is putting their health in the hands of such charlatans and quacks.

* If there is some allergic reactions workers comp may have to fit the bill to deal with it. Also the injury lawyers may also sue on half of the victim as well.
* religious rights lawsuits over this Mark of the beast / Shabbat? / others
* ownership issues?
* Who pays the costs

Not allowed under the ACA smokeing is the only thing they can bill you more for.

Good thing for the ACA that bands insurance company from doing stuff like. But guess what GOP letting the ER or even the jail / prison take up the slack when you get rid of the ACA will cost more then medicare / medicaid for all.

Execpt wearing a seatbelt does not increase risk to me only to give possible benifit to someone else. It is possible that you might start shooting random people some day. Does that make it ok to kill you now to possibly save people in the future. If I would rather get the flu than a shot, I have that right. I don't believe the vaccines work as well as we are told. We keep learning about the companies that make these and how the effectiveness is way lower than they have been telling us, or it turns out to cause cancer. I will get the ones I determine to be justified while you can get vaccine for everything including sky falling-itis.

Yes, Shingles is something you get when you are older if you had Chicken Pox earlier in life. It still makes no sense to get the Chicken Pox vaccine. The vaccine has possibility of side effects, however small they may be. If you get vaccinated you have to get new ones every 10 years for life. If you get the Chicken Pox, you are immune for life from getting them again. As an older person you can prevent getting Shingles by getting. . . wait for it. . . the Chicken Pox vaccine. So even though you had Chicken Pox as a kid and now have the threat of Chicken Pox you can prevent it by getting shots. So you either get shots your whole life, or you just get them when you get older. If you never got the Pox you can then get the vaccine when older. If you did have the Pox, you can get the vaccine to prevent Shingles. So what's the point of getting the shot when young then if you need to constantly keep getting more of them. Oh yeah, I know, they get more money out of you that way!

Yes, but the mother's milk antibodies don't work nearly as well if the mother had a vaccine rather than has real antibodies from getting the disease. Vaccines don't work as well as getting over being sick. There are people who have a defect in their immune system where they don't even make antibodies. These people still get immunity from a disease after getting it, so there is much more do immunity than we understand.

I like that we have vaccines for serious and deadly diseases. I don't like the fact that they are pushing them for non-serious things. The last time someone died in the U.S from measles was in 2003. The news likes to tell you how scary measles are and how there are many many deaths per year, but it is a misleading statistic since those are from third wold countries where children don't have good nutrition. There has been 98 deaths from the MMR vaccine in the same time frame. Some studies suggest that vaccine related reactions and even death are under reported by as much as 90%. This means there could be anywhere from 98 to 980 deaths from a vaccine for a disease that has caused 0 deaths. If you keep telling me lies I am going to stop listening to you!

I never did believe the autism link though. From what I have read before, the rates of autism were the same for people getting vaccines and those who did not. That seems pretty straight forward to me. I only wish I could get the individual vaccines that are in the combo shots. My daughter already had whooping cough, so her immunity is far superior to the DTaP vaccine. Tetanus isn't too serious as there are treatments if you get it, but it does seem like one less worry since everybody who spends time outside will eventually step on a nail somewhere. Measles would be skipped as it isn't serious. I would just pick the ones that are bad and get those by themselves.

I posted that late night NHL playoff games will get to you.

just have them brake the law and let the state take up the cost of housing / food / doctors.

what about the truck driver up for the last 36 hours with only a 8 hour rest rest period from his last 36 hour work period is high on the pep drugs and blackouts and hits the school bus with your son on it and you son dies then who will you feel about drugs like that?

and then the worker comp attorneys come out of wood work and sue when some in a job uses drugs like this and things go bad and they end up in rehab