c'mon guys...we *have* to start coming up with better names for products...

"Vivaldi"

sounds like a lesser composer from Mozart's time

or a corrupt Roman proconsul in the early CE

vivaldi could definitely be the name of a new blood thinner drug from Pfizer

damn it...seriously....'vivaldi'

don't tell me what it means b/c i don't care and neither does anyone else...it's a Dumb Name

i have to take objection to this

*using* a machine and *programing* a machine are different

you're forgetting the user/programmer dichotomy

the programmer designs the system and the user is basically passive in that the programmer of the system defines the user's universe of options

So, Wirth's definition, and your changes can define 'programming' and it won't disagree with my definition.

Wirth is trying to provide an *academic* definition that is *all-inclusive* in it's language

My definition is the reverse...it seeks to simplify what's happening to the most essential.

I'm right. All programming involves controlling machines using symbols.

It's the best definition, and it doesn't disagree with Wirth's definition

you are taking it too far

the difference is characters (aka symbols) stored in memory...not the act of 'print'ing a character on screen

it fully makes logical sense...you write code, store it in memory, computer executes it...the symbols you use are the 'langauge'

there are many people who claim to be 'coders' or 'programmers' who are not, but we can't let that determine how we talk/define this stuff

this really is the best way to understand programming

look...it depends on how you define 'programming'

I'm using a definition that is consistent and logical, but isn't as exclusive as the pedantic definitions many use.

programming is using symbols to control the behavior of a computer...

maybe this will help...it can be 'programming' even if the symbols you use aren't a full 'programming language' in the proper sense

It depends on how you define 'programming'

I'm using a definition that is consistent and logical, but isn't as exclusive as the pedantic definitions many use.

programming is using symbols to control the behavior of a computer...

maybe this will help...it can be 'programming' even if the symbols you use aren't a full 'programming language' in the proper sense

He's making sites from scratch without programming because HTML isn't programming

this is just not true

any time you use code to write computer instructions it is "programming"

he uses CMSMS, which means he only codes part of the site "by hand"

internet coding is not complex compared to coding a first-person-shooter, but the demands of the individual coder are different

i've seen many coders spend 10 minutes writing some executable code then spend an hour figuring out how to get it to go where they want in the HTML page on a website to look right

great work, Airstrip One...

seriously...compare France and England...England is practically Saudi Arabia...a really high culture progressive Saudi Arabia.

France did the sensible thing and rejected their monarchs & organized religion long ago.

Yet I cannot deny some things about UK culture are priceless...I really just don't understand why England doesn't ditch their monarchs completely.

'means very little'

unless...you want to actually build the thing

that's the problem with "teh singularity" types...NONE OF THEM ARE CODERS...

all machine behavior is determined by human coders...absolutely nothing you can say changes this fact

YOUR ARGUMENT IS IRRATIONAL

"a computer that can program itself"

is a computer that has been programmed by a human with parameters and a system specifically made by humans for it to take defined variables and combine them in pre-programmed parameters

all pounded out by a dumb monkey

'teh singularity' is a tautology

you can't make a new thing by calling the same thing a different name

all of which are, as TFA says, not 'intelligence' at all!

we haven't managed to make machines until now that are smart at all. Artificial intelligence isn't synthetic intelligence: It's pseudo-intelligence. This really ought to be obvious. Clocks may keep time, but they don't know what time it is.

so glad to see published articles where they say this plainly

'teh singluarity' needs to go to the dustbin of history b/c it's wasting *billions* of research dollars

almost 10 years isn't a 'noob' on any internet forum

thank goodness the core /. membership hasn't abandoned the site.

says the user with a 7-digit UID

you have no idea what the "core /. membership" is like because you have just started commenting

the problem is the decision makers - not the ideas

being in charge means *deciding between options*