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The Future of Love and Sex - Robots 510

nem75 writes "The New York Times has a review of British AI researcher David Levy's book 'Love and Sex with Robots'. He claims that within a span of about 50 years the day will come when people could actually fall in love with life-like robots. While this may seem far fetched at first, he has some pretty interesting views. 'He begins with what scientists know about why humans fall in love with other humans. There are 10 factors, he writes, including mystery, reciprocal liking, and readiness to enter a relationship. Why can't these factors apply to robots, too?' The case he builds goes much further though, and certainly provides food for thought." Update: 12/14 16:16 GMT by Z : This article is very similar to a discussion we had recently.
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The Future of Love and Sex - Robots

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  • The 11th factor (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Joe the Lesser ( 533425 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:05PM (#21698022) Homepage Journal
    of why humans fall in love with humans.

    Because they are not robots.
  • by ThePlague ( 30616 ) * on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:07PM (#21698068)
    A more interesting and likely scenario is tech improvements to sex toys. Imagine what something like Real Doll will be in 10 or 15 years time, and it's not much of a stretch to say you could have a sizeable portion of the population abandoning the dating scene. We already see that in small numbers due to webcams, and it seems reasonable to extrapolate the trend accelerating with accelerated improvements to the tech.
  • The Lonely (Score:4, Interesting)

    by ktappe ( 747125 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:07PM (#21698072)
    Rod Serling covered this in "The Lonely": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonely_(The_Twilight_Zone) [wikipedia.org]
  • Deamon Seed (Score:2, Interesting)

    by spribyl ( 175893 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:12PM (#21698134)
    Thats fine until the robots figure out how to reproduce.
    Anyone remember "Deamon Seed" or the more recent Battle Star Galatica.

    Can you rape a robot?
    Can a robot rape you?
  • by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) * on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:23PM (#21698316) Journal
    Wait, people are going on e-dates through webcams?

    As for the Real Doll, my guess is that women will respond with ever more drastic measures to look attractive (just as women respond that way to air-brushed magazine pictures of women that don't represent how even those models look cf. Dove). Now, if robots can be more emotionally responsive than men, will men do something drastic to compete with robots?
  • by Organic Brain Damage ( 863655 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:37PM (#21698524)
    Here's a criteria I'd use for a healthy love relationship that current machines cannot meet: It has to be capable of returning love. Do not love or hate anything that cannot love or hate you in return. Simple rule. Easy to forget.

    Love = sacrifice? Love = emotional exposure? Love = risk of loss?

    We can definitely satisfy those three criteria with a machine.

    Sacrifice: I had to wait in line to get my Nintendo WII.

    Emotional exposure: I tell my Nintendo WII that I love it and ...it makes fun of me. Or not.

    Risk of loss: You can call it risk, but losing a loving relationship is 100% certain. All marriages end. 2/3rds in divorce, 1/3rd in death. And my Nintendo WII is going to breakdown and die.

    No, those three criteria don't work to disqualify robots from love relationships.

  • Re:Grrr (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:52PM (#21698740)
    No need to wait. Millions of people are having sex with robots today. The problem with people seeing this is that they they forget that robot is not synonymous with android, and they miss the fact that it is women that are the primary customers in the robot sex industry.

    A vibrator IS a robot. It may be a simple one, but a robot none the less. The trick will be to see if they can get men to buy into robot sex as much as women have already embraced it.

    As for love... Given how many people cannot tell the difference between a human and a dog, I have no doubt that getting people confused between an even semi-realistic looking android and a human would be easy and common.
  • by big_paul76 ( 1123489 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:57PM (#21698822)
    Scott Adams said something about 'as soon as robot sex or virtual reality becomes cheaper than dating, humanity has ~1 generation left'.
  • by mpeg4codec ( 581587 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @12:58PM (#21698838) Homepage
    Oh god I thought only Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] could ruin my childhood memories of Teddy Ruxpin. Now Slashdot too?!?
  • by Ohio Calvinist ( 895750 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @01:04PM (#21698932)
    I could see young people being particularly attracted to the idea of Robotic Sex. Anecdotally I know that many youth get their "first crush" on television personalities, and I'd imagine a smaller subset, but a significant one on animated women, even more so in today's age with the increased popularity anime (as the illistrations tend to be more human-equivalent than most american animation) and extremely realistic video games. (Think Dead or Alive 3 Extreme Beach Volleyball or whatever it was).

    I think if a culture develops where this is possible, or even accepted, young people whom demonstrate sexual attractiveness to non-real (or unattainable, such as teenie-bopper crushes on boy-bands) the line would be blurry enough that it might not replace the desire for sex with humans, but would be explored and maybe even embraced due to availability, diminished risk of disease/pregnancy/ass-kickings from angry dads/brothers, and the social cost of finding a partner in rejection and unavailability.

    I don't think it will change relationships as a whole, but I think emotionally impressionable youth or lonley adults, might first experiment and embrace this kind of thing. In anything you've always got early adopters, and if it sticks, there might be a place for this.

    Though, if I were investing, I think virtual reality sex has more potential for economic prosperity in the end if it could "trick" the brain into thinking that the VR image, which could be taken from a real-human source, is *real* and the sensory IO is *real.* I would think if it could overcome the mind, that it would be more fulfilling and people would gravitate to it more mostly because, I don't personally see robots ever being so-human (like the Replicants in Blade Runner, even in the next 100 years, or maybe ever for a normal person) that you can't tell from a distance, and even more that you can't tell doing something as multi-sensory as sex.
  • by Ephemeriis ( 315124 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @01:33PM (#21699318)

    A more interesting and likely scenario is tech improvements to sex toys. Imagine what something like Real Doll will be in 10 or 15 years time, and it's not much of a stretch to say you could have a sizeable portion of the population abandoning the dating scene. We already see that in small numbers due to webcams, and it seems reasonable to extrapolate the trend accelerating with accelerated improvements to the tech.
    We already have people who are falling in love with their Real Dolls. There's a documentary available somewhere on the web, but I'm too lazy to go looking for it. These folks attribute thoughts, emotions, and opinions to their dolls that they are completely and totally incapable of displaying. Just imagine what you'd see if you put a few motors and microchips into a Real Doll so that it could smile or talk.

    It won't take much before we see people "falling in love" with robots.
  • Re:Grrr (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Phisbut ( 761268 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @01:48PM (#21699514)

    For me, part of the thrill of dating was the risk that something might fail. If I had a relationship with a robot, I'd be taking the robot for granted, because I know there would be no need to be nice and attentive, because the robot would surely be programmed to do whatever I want, and never protest.

    Every mechanical device fail eventually. The only variables are when and how painful...

  • by cayenne8 ( 626475 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @01:59PM (#21699674) Homepage Journal
    I dunno, I think women will be protesting love robots from here to eternity.

    I mean, if they can come up with a realistic robot, that looks like the ideal chick to any guy, will never age or get old looking (nothing sags), won't give you AIDS or any other STD, will NEVER say no, and give you the custom 'ride of your life' every time you 'mount up'........

    No man in the world would ever give the time of day to a real woman ever again.

  • by UbuntuDupe ( 970646 ) * on Friday December 14, 2007 @02:03PM (#21699724) Journal
    Regarding 2: I think you may like this post [slashdot.org] of mine.

    You are correct that "emotionally responsive" is an imprecise term. It's kind of like "genetically fit". What's "genetically fit"? Well, whatever *turns out* to work at passing on genes. You can't know it in advance. Likewise, "emotionally responsive" doesn't necessarily mean wussy -- it means more like, "acting with knowledge of what women will really like, irrespective of claimed desires".

    I would absolutely agree with you that what women claim to want and what they really want are far apart -- more than 42 trillion km. It's rather frustrating to see them espouse feminist notions of how men should act, and then boink the first guy who violates them all. The theory that "Women give flawed advice to cull the guys who actually listen to it from the dating pool" fits the data a bit too well. Look at the Spice Girls song: "If you want to be my lover, you gotta first be my friend". What expert seducer doesn't find that advice abhorrently wrong?
  • Re:Grrr (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @02:34PM (#21700176)
    I am not talking about people having sex with dogs. They usually get them confused with human children. These trends of referring to dog owners as 'parents' and buying a dog as 'adopting' are not euphemisms for most people that use the terms. They are just an expression of their insanity.
  • Re:Grrr (Score:3, Interesting)

    by ethanms ( 319039 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @02:36PM (#21700204)
    Well, there are people that are having sex with inanimate dolls (real dolls plug here), It would not be far fetched that someone would be amenable to the idea and even build a business out of having sex with robots. There are more advantages than using the regular purveyors. It's more sanitary, there are more control on the looks of the service provider and you only have to perform maintenance every so often.

    The thing is, that we already have the technology to make sex robots happen... I bet a machine given the proper instruments and reservoirs would give a great hummer... the simple fact is that 1) Most guys probably aren't going to put their Little Guy into a machine with moving parts 2) Most Guys probably aren't going to put their Little Guy into a machine that has serviced other Little Guys, even if the machines are sanitized between uses and even if using an actual female is far more dangerous.

    There would have to be a huge change in sentiment before this type of thing (intimate relationships & sex w/ robots) became acceptable and not a taboo that is hidden away--How many people do you know that actually admit to owning and using one of those Real Dolls?

    Though I do see people falling in "love" with robots, much in the same way that people fall in love with a car, a favorite chair, an appliance. I "love" my car right now, it keeps me safe, keeps me warm, takes me places... sure any make or model car could do those same things, even another one of the same model I have, but mine has the seat adjusted just right, I know where all the nicks and scratches are, and I know all the weird littles noises it makes, just like I do with my girlfriend... where was I going with this?
  • by Slashdot Parent ( 995749 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @02:39PM (#21700256)

    Regarding 2: I think you may like this post of mine.
    I'd say that post is pretty spot-on accurate.

    I think that we agree that what they do NOT want, is for a man to spew out all kinds of emotional baggage. The more I think about it, "emotionally responsive" is probably pretty close to what women want, in the sense of responding to her emotions. For instance, when a woman is PMSsey, the typical male response is to start nailing her sister or best friend. Most women would prefer, I think, for a man to toss her a bottle of Motrin say they hope she feels better, and then just get out of the way. Nothing you say or do is going to make her quit bitching at you.

    And as far as emoting more, I think women are using that as code for, "My boyfriend started sleeping with my sister and best friend. I didn't even know he didn't love me anymore. Or maybe at all. Why couldn't he have told me how he felt?"

    As for the spice girls song, it looks like the line you meant to quote was If you wanna be my lover, you gotta get with my friends [lyrics007.com], which is not bad advice. If her friends don't like you, they will bug her incessantly until she dumps you. On the flip side, if they like you and she dumps you, she'll have to deal with, "He was perfect! Why'd you dump him?"

    If you are able to decipher the lyrics of that song, you'll notice a few more insights, such as "Forget my past", "Don't wait around", "Don't bug me", etc. This is not bad advice, especially since I understand "bugging me" to mean, "being too much of a needy, emotional vagina".

    They say that the ultimate male fantasy is a woman who is a true lady in every way shape and form in public, but in private, she's a sex-crazed porn star. I wonder if the female version of that is a man who is powerful and feared by all, but is always nice to her?
  • Re:Grrr (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Fallingcow ( 213461 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @03:30PM (#21700940) Homepage

    A vibrator IS a robot. It may be a simple one, but a robot none the less. The trick will be to see if they can get men to buy into robot sex as much as women have already embraced it.


    This is one of those odd areas where men are the ones who are behind, as far as social acceptability of a sexual practice goes.

    Vibrators are talked about and alluded to in a largely positive light in TV and movies all the time. Generally, at least for a couple generations now, the idea of a woman with a vibrator has been a turn on, or at least not a turn off. Women have Mary Kay-esque sex toy parties.

    How many references to sex toys/masturbation aids for men are there in popular culture, compared with those for women? Far, far fewer, I would bet. What percentage are positive? Barely more than 0%, I'm sure. Being a guy and having any items of that sort is seen as something to be embarrassed about. Hell, I'm a guy, and I'm aware of the double-standard, and the idea still kind of weirds me out.

    Socialization is a powerful thing.
  • by Bombula ( 670389 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @08:39PM (#21704438)
    You've obviously never read anything about evolutionary psychology. A good place to start is The Moral Animal by Robert Right and The Third Chimpanzee and Why Sex Is Fun by Jared Diamond. Men and women have entirely different reproductive strategies for entirely biological reasons, and this is born out in their different sexual behaviors and desires. It's you, I'm afraid, who is suffering from 'social conditioning'.
  • by linuxrocks123 ( 905424 ) on Friday December 14, 2007 @09:55PM (#21704848) Homepage Journal
    You're obviously unaware that evolutionary psychology is pseudoscientific bullshit. For it to be a successful science, it would have to be able to make correct predictions about things the answers to which were not already known. Until then, it's right up there with Freudianism in the hierarchy of psychological BS.

    Maybe men and women have different reproductive strategies for entirely biological reasons -- though, given the increase in female promiscuity since the invention of birth control, the "entirely" part of that is pretty suspect -- and maybe it's all social conditioning. We don't know, and speculation from your pet pseudoscience doesn't really help.

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