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Africa - Offline And Waiting for the Web 253

The nytfeed provides us with an article about the current state of internet connectivity on the African continent. Only 4 percent of Africa's population has regular access to the internet, with most of those people living in North African countries, or the country of South Africa. This might seem like a market ripe for development, but the article explains that there are numerous difficulties involved getting an infrastructure project off the ground. "Africa's only connection to the network of computers and fiber optic cables that are the Internet's backbone is a $600 million undersea cable running from Portugal down the west coast of Africa. Built in 2002, the cable was supposed to provide cheaper and faster Web access, but so far that has not happened. Prices remain high because the national telecommunications linked to the cable maintain a monopoly over access, squeezing out potential competitors. And plans for a fiber optic cable along the East African coast have stalled over similar access issues. Most countries in Eastern Africa, like Rwanda, depend on slower satellite technology for Internet service." The good news is that, of course, progress is being made. Just ... slowly.
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Africa - Offline And Waiting for the Web

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  • by sokoban ( 142301 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @07:39PM (#19941827) Homepage
    Yeah, the internet is one of the last things Africa needs.

    I'd say that Social, Political, and Agricultural reforms are FAR more important to the average African than the good old WWW.

    Africa is living proof that imposition of a foreign structure and hierarchy followed by throwing fists-full of aid money is not enough to improve the lives of a people.
  • by BeanThere ( 28381 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @07:48PM (#19941885)
    Uh, the SAT3 fiber cable wasn't built with any aid money, it was built with tax income from a previously nationalised and now privatived telecomms utility using income from mainly businesses and residents in South Africa itself. Those businesses forked over for it - and continue to do so - because there's a genuine need for it, so get a clue.
  • by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @07:52PM (#19941907) Homepage Journal
    Doesnt he mean 'ripe for commercial exploitation'?
  • by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @08:14PM (#19942017)
    Yeah, my Internet service provider commercially exploits me every month. What a ripoff. I get high-speed Internet and they want to get paid for it!!?!?

    Why would anyone in Africa want that? High speed internet -- who needs it! Someone might make some money by providing it to people. Money! They should work for love! They should make fiber optic cables out of their own altruism and power the routers with the self-satisfaction they get from doing good.

    What evil thing will those exploiters do next? Commercially exploit hunger by selling good, healthy food at a small profit? Better to starve than allow such exploitation!
  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @08:16PM (#19942029) Journal

    Aware citizens would certainly demand change from the dictatorial regimes Africa's infested with.
    The same dictators supported by the West?

    'The West' (America, England, France etc) have supported, propped up, or installed dictators in numerous countries on the African continent at some point or another within the last 20 years.

    Dictators were the West's way of keeping a lid on various fractured populaces for the purposes of maintaining stability, usually so western powers could continue exploiting the resources of those countries.

    It's only a recent phenomenon that spreading Democracy has been considered a better idea than installing a strong dictator to hold things together. Despite that ideal, look at how many dictatorships Clinton and Bush Jr have been buddy buddy with.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that the populace can demand all the change it wants, but there are many other parties who have a keen interest in maintaining the status quo.
  • Re:Worry not... (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 21, 2007 @09:05PM (#19942319)
    It isn't politically correct to say, but, by any standard, the average black woman is not as attractive as a white women. Look at the black women that are considered attractive - they are all white skinned and have white features.

    What do black men want ? WHITE pussy. That's why rape of white women by black men has always been a hot topic. White men know it and are worried about it. Only the fact that we had a racist society with white people in charge protected the white women.

    Don Imus may be a jerk, but I think everyone really got upset because there was a grain of truth in what he said. Just like with Larry Summers, the president of Harvard, who merely implied that the issue of fewer women in science was something to BE THOUGHT ABOUT.
  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @09:10PM (#19942357)
    since when has the internet resulted in better prices for the seller? name me one industry that has taken off as a direct result of selling their goods on the internet? I just don't see any reason for your logic to work at all. your basicly saying, internets = good, and nothing more.
  • OLPC, anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Qubit ( 100461 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @09:37PM (#19942491) Homepage Journal
    They're putting them in the hands of kids in Africa and elsewhere, but the OLPC and other pervasive technologies are going to be a big part of education-driven social and political reform in 3rd world countries. And that reform will have to take place before wired telephone and internet connections are available everywhere...

    The fact that children in Africa are accessing porn is a good sign. It's f*cking AMAZING! Why? Because that means that for the first time these children are reaching out and interacting with websites and other people across the globe. If they are connected, then can receive information and they can SEND information.

    Africa has huge issues with corruption. Africa has huge issues with genocide, rape, tribal warfare, dictatorships... and the list goes on. But the really great thing about technology is that while it can enable people to have guns and bullets and other tools of war, it can also give them cell phones and tiny laptops.

    If more and more villages in Africa have access to technology that is not dependent upon the grid for power or for an internet connection (solar or manual power, satellite or some kind of ad-hoc network for Internet access), then that will enable communities to unite, it will enable people to be educated about relevant health, political, and social issues, and it will (hopefully) enable groups of spread-out people to push through reform of governments and pave the way for new infrastructure.

    If you see a homeless person on the street, giving them a few cents might help them for a day, but the best thing you could do for them is to help them find the right path for them to take to earn money and become a contributing member of society.

    There are a number of possible ways that we in the Western world could help starving children in Africa. The best way for us to help people in 3rd world countries is to give the individual people tools which enable them to organize their communities, reform their governments and companies, and build up their countries from the inside out. A generation of children communicating through small, portable, rugged computers seems like an excellent tool to jumpstart the organize-reform-build process.

    And then when they are a first-world country they can have spiffy fiber-to-the-premises broadband for all, just like we do in America. Oh wait.

    Hmmm... perhaps we need to start encouraging OUR kids to do some social/political reform as well!
  • by geekinaseat ( 1029684 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @09:54PM (#19942571) Homepage
    I hear that argument all of the time when people comment on various "Africa doesn't have sufficient xyz" type stories... and in this case I have to agree with you, I can't help but think that the figure of 96% of Africans who arn't connected to the web might be very similar to the amount of Africans living in severe poverty..... surely there are much more important things that these people need before we have to worry about the internet. Hell, go back ten years in the UK and not many people were on the net and it didn't do us much harm, some people argue that the internet has brought more harm that good infact (along the same lines as the TV argument) -not something I agree with personally but still. Lets keep things in perspective: provide the basics to as many people as possible and then start worrying about the luxuries.
  • by zogger ( 617870 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @10:12PM (#19942673) Homepage Journal
    Well, I farm and I use the net all the time for information I need. Everything from finding the best deals on repair parts to looking up plants and diseases and treatments, various livestock care information (we have quite a variety now beyond cattle and poultry, just this past few weeks we added ducks, quail and now rabbits), there's always new seeds and plants to order, I'm doing the research on making our own biofuel now-picked up an old datsun diesel pickup today in fact, because I wanted one, finally found one in decent running shape for cheap-45 mpg!- and that will be the guinea pig for my home made fuel, and, etc, besides having the handy weather applet. Tons of stuff. Granted, there are workarounds like always for lack of web access, but it sure speeds things up considerably for me. A very rough average, but I probably use the net for something to do with this profession 5 times a week or so. I'd frikken *hate* to have to drive to town to go to the library for this. Frankly, I don't even like going to town, our main goal is to get as independent as possible so we don't have to except maybe 4 times a year or something. We live rural because that is where we like it better, the net helps us stay here and stay in the black.

        Ya, we have stacks of farm mags, it still isn't the same as having a global library and informational resource at your fingertips. And that's leaving out the economic and political news. I do shortwave, too, always have since floor model tube jobs that doubled as living room heaters, but the net is like instant what you want when you want it, your schedule, not some one else's schedule.

    Bottom line is, it's a fantastic tool if used as a tool. And if it is affordable and available, it will help our poorer brothers over in who_know's_where_istan as well. They'll find uses for it.
  • by WIAKywbfatw ( 307557 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @10:16PM (#19942691) Journal
    Yeah, the internet is one of the last things Africa needs.

    I'd say that Social, Political, and Agricultural reforms are FAR more important to the average African than the good old WWW.

    Africa is living proof that imposition of a foreign structure and hierarchy followed by throwing fists-full of aid money is not enough to improve the lives of a people.


    Interesting viewpoint. A few points immediately sprang to mind though:

    Firstly, access to better information via the internet can play its part in improving social, political and agricultural conditions in Africa.

    Granted, there are other problems, such as infrastructure, to overcome but that doesn't negate the benefits that internet connectivity could provide to developing world nations.

    Secondly, the "imposition of a foreign structure and hierarchy followed by throwing fists-full of aid money" can work... in the right circumstances. West Germany after the Second World War is one example. Clearly today's Iraq isn't though.

    The keys would seem to be honesty and acceptance: if you genuinely care about improving the situation on the ground and can convince people of your sincerity then you can make huge changes for the better. However, if your help is poisoned by political or economic rhetoric then you're doomed to failure and/or accusations of attempting to profit from the situation.

    Forcing HIV/AIDs-related programmes to teach abstinence rather than educating them about the benefits of using a condom, even though you know that the abstinence message will fail but that condoms will save lives, because of religious pressure is crazy.

    Similarly, pushing African mothers to use powdered baby milk rather than encouraging them to breastfeed, which is a healthier option, just to sell more of your product is exploitative at best.

    Put another way, if developed nations really wants to help less fortunate nations then perhaps thinking about themselves and what's in it for them should disappear from the equation.

    Lastly, Africa is a pretty big place. It's not homogenous, and what might be a problem in one place might have already been solved somewhere else. Anything that helps disseminate knowledge can only be a good thing, especially in rural areas.

    Imagine how much and how quickly you can find help online when your PC's playing up compared to how little and how slowly you can find it offline. Now imagine that information on something more essential to your everyday life, like basic healthcare advice, how to repair a vital piece of machinery, or how to save a crop.

    Even something as simple as knowing what the average shopper 10,000 miles away will pay for your produce could make a huge difference: knowing that might help you secure a fairer, more beneficial price for your harvest, which in turn could dramatically improve the standard of life for you and everybody around you.

    The possibilities are limitless.
  • by lena_10326 ( 1100441 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @10:27PM (#19942755) Homepage

    Honestly, lets think about food, water, AIDS, and regular communication before we think of internet connections
    Communication is a basic need. The internet is not always used for chat rooms and games. Here are some basic need uses:
    • Publishing: news, info, blogs, editorials, research, statistics, etc
    • Political commentary and organization
    • Directories of phone numbers, businesses, professionals, resumes, jobs, etc
    • Maps and yellow pages
    • Email, telephone, video conferencing
    • E-Commerce & trading
    • Government services, taxes, forms, etc
    • Online courses: particularly useful in rural African towns
    • Technical support for machinery, computers, software
    Africa needs the internet.

  • by TapeCutter ( 624760 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @10:44PM (#19942817) Journal
    "I guess what I'm trying to say is that the populace can demand all the change it wants, but there are many other parties who have a keen interest in maintaining the status quo."

    The treatment Hamas has recieved from the EU & US clearly demonstrates what western leaders think about the spread of democracy. They don't mearly fail to recognise "the right of Hamas to exist" they actively seek to destroy it, the US has recently gone so far as to arm and train Fatah militants in order to maintain the status quo via the good ol' divide and conquer routine.

    The odd thing is that Hamas has kept it's word and has not used suicide bombers for over 3 years (yes, they stopped BEFORE they were elected by ~70% of the popular vote), this self-imposed "restraint" is despite the fact many of it's elected officials have been assasinated or kidnapped by Isreal during the last 3yrs. Even more curioius is the fact that the suicide bombers during that time have come from the Fatah group, the same group that the US have recently armed and trained to fight Hamas.

    Just to remain on topic you can see the same strategy in Africa, during the 70's-80's the SLA were considered an "evil" in the heart of Africa, apparently now that China has control over Sudan's oil, ...err...I mean....influence over Sudan's rulers...., the SLA are the "good guys" who require our assistance to protect their ancestral homeland [abc.net.au].

    Of course the prime example of hypocricy in our time is the fact that - 25yrs ago OBL & Saddam were both "good guys" fighting the commies with our "generous" financial and political support. I could rant forever with similar examples, $2B worth of attack choppers donated to Burma's nut-job rulers in '97 anyone? /rant

    Disclaimer: None of this makes "the other side's" actions any better, but if anyone thinks I have my facts about Hamas all fucked up, read this [theage.com.au], and double check the information for yourself.
  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Saturday July 21, 2007 @11:04PM (#19942909)
    Ok so your argument is that the internet might afford them access to more market opertunities? ok i can agree on that. the internet might perhaps allow them to by pass corrupt local officals also, by selling direct to overseas consumers.
  • by syukton ( 256348 ) on Sunday July 22, 2007 @01:47PM (#19947087)

    Frankly, I don't see the scandal in the fact that Africa doesn't have good access to the Internet, and reject this article on the grounds that (a) as usual, the story is focused on lack of infrastructure, which is not the correct focus
    Ok, let's take a look here...

    not to mention phone line trouble, saturated networks, and so on
    Strange, those sure sound like infrastructure problems to me!

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